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nickutis · 08-14-2009, 06:38 AM

Test signups with same Mastercard everywhere:

Those three sponsors using the same processor for the European users (localbillinglimited)

JUGGCASH:

WILDCASH

And.. Strange enough, same processor but for some reason my card starts to be valid with the SAME PROCESSOR ?

REALITYCASH

Any sponsors care to explain why they don't want to take paying customers? It's not tubes fucking with us, it's processors and banks..

nickutis · 08-14-2009, 06:54 AM

Also epoch doesn't want to accept cards. Actually it doesn't even want to accept my country

But for some reason, the same card and my country is ok for SBW billing (nastydollars)

stickyfingerz · 08-14-2009, 06:57 AM

Simple, not all programs have the same amount of scrub on their accounts. Same processor can have different scrub for each client. There are varying factors for why one might have a different scrub than another.

Matyko · 08-14-2009, 07:01 AM

although Sticky is right, this explains crappy ratios in last days..actually more than a few... its still better if its scrubbing than any other crap that happen...

BlackCrayon · 08-14-2009, 07:05 AM

its no surprise that countries like lithuania have troubles. I'd like to see someone from the states try and see how it differs.

nickutis · 08-14-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its no surprise that countries like lithuania have troubles. I'd like to see someone from the states try and see how it differs.

Well that could be a reason, but seems like they turned more hardcore scubing in last months. Also if there will be no testers who could do the same signups from north america, i'l be in Ottawa in 2010 so i'l try it from there, lol :D

Roald · 08-14-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Simple, not all programs have the same amount of scrub on their accounts. Same processor can have different scrub for each client. There are varying factors for why one might have a different scrub than another.

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its no surprise that countries like lithuania have troubles. I'd like to see someone from the states try and see how it differs.

= card declined

nickutis · 08-14-2009, 02:01 PM

can anyone confirm that epoch has no problems with other european countries?

stickyfingerz · 08-14-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nickutis

can anyone confirm that epoch has no problems with other european countries?

That would be something to contact Epoch about. Most processors update their scrub lists fairly often and not many outside of the processors themselves have a current list. Contact one of the guys at epoch.

Major (Tom) · 08-15-2009, 12:25 PM

one time for a test we took off all scrub.. it was nothing there to scrub you out and bank declines still hit hard.
we're in a credit crunch. plain and simple.
Duke

Barefootsies · 08-15-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Simple, not all programs have the same amount of scrub on their accounts. Same processor can have different scrub for each client. There are varying factors for why one might have a different scrub than another.

alias · 08-15-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

we're in a credit crunch. plain and simple.

BlackCrayon · 08-15-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

yeah but this thread is about the guy using his own card and getting declined, not about others using their maxed out cards.

alias · 08-15-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

yeah but this thread is about the guy using his own card and getting declined, not about others using their maxed out cards.

Maybe the banks are being more cautious, preventing chargebacks by not even allowing certain cardholders to successfully interact with certain processor or IPSP accounts unless it is a "sure bet".

Would be nice to hear some real info from a processor or IPSP. This thread seems rather speculative.

Cyber Fucker · 08-15-2009, 02:41 PM

Once, I wanted to sign-up to hushpass.com from Poland with visa debit and my transaction was declined as well. Well, it looks like some programs don't want money. Paradox?

Mr. Cool Ice · 08-15-2009, 02:46 PM

You should blur your photo shop pics better, I was able to undo them and now I have not only your user/pass, but all your cc data.

It's bangin time!

Socks · 08-15-2009, 02:50 PM

I'd bet programs like Juggcash decline cards, then offer a secondary processor or another option that doesn't pay affiliates, or a much lower % of affiliates too.

It seems like if there's a way to be screwing with affiliates nowadays, they're on it like flies to shit.

PGR · 08-16-2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Socks

I'd bet programs like Juggcash decline cards, then offer a secondary processor or another option that doesn't pay affiliates, or a much lower % of affiliates too.

It seems like if there's a way to be screwing with affiliates nowadays, they're on it like flies to shit.

I hope that's not the case, but it wouldn't surprise me..

rowan · 08-16-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nickutis

Well that could be a reason, but seems like they turned more hardcore scubing in last months. Also if there will be no testers who could do the same signups from north america, i'l be in Ottawa in 2010 so i'l try it from there, lol :D

Unless you're staying there and have a card with a billing address there it would probably be even more likely to be declined.

GeoIP that doesn't match billing country = red flag

nickutis · 08-16-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan

Unless you're staying there and have a card with a billing address there it would probably be even more likely to be declined.

GeoIP that doesn't match billing country = red flag

hopefully i will stay there for at least few years, so yeah i will have a credit card with local billing address there. If processors will still decline the transactions.. Well i guess it's really stupid politics when you won't take customers money..

hjnet · 08-17-2009, 01:01 AM

Less paying customers + the same amount of cheaters = higher % of fraud -> more scrubbing required

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-17-2009, 01:40 AM

CCbill is the worst.

seeandsee · 08-17-2009, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet

CCbill is the worst.

08-14-2009, 06:38 AM	#1
nickutis Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 719	Scrubbing at it's best Test signups with same Mastercard everywhere: Those three sponsors using the same processor for the European users (localbillinglimited) JUGGCASH: WILDCASH And.. Strange enough, same processor but for some reason my card starts to be valid with the SAME PROCESSOR ? REALITYCASH Any sponsors care to explain why they don't want to take paying customers? It's not tubes fucking with us, it's processors and banks..

08-14-2009, 07:01 AM	#4
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08-14-2009, 07:05 AM	#5
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	its no surprise that countries like lithuania have troubles. I'd like to see someone from the states try and see how it differs. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

08-15-2009, 12:25 PM	#10
Major (Tom) Noticing Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 29,915	one time for a test we took off all scrub.. it was nothing there to scrub you out and bank declines still hit hard. we're in a credit crunch. plain and simple. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

08-15-2009, 02:41 PM	#15
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	Once, I wanted to sign-up to hushpass.com from Poland with visa debit and my transaction was declined as well. Well, it looks like some programs don't want money. Paradox? __________________ Last edited by Cyber Fucker; 08-15-2009 at 02:43 PM..

08-14-2009, 06:54 AM	#2
nickutis Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 719	Also epoch doesn't want to accept cards. Actually it doesn't even want to accept my country But for some reason, the same card and my country is ok for SBW billing (nastydollars)

08-14-2009, 06:57 AM	#3
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Simple, not all programs have the same amount of scrub on their accounts. Same processor can have different scrub for each client. There are varying factors for why one might have a different scrub than another.

08-14-2009, 02:01 PM	#8
nickutis Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 719	can anyone confirm that epoch has no problems with other european countries?

08-15-2009, 02:46 PM	#16
Mr. Cool Ice Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,289	You should blur your photo shop pics better, I was able to undo them and now I have not only your user/pass, but all your cc data. It's bangin time!

08-15-2009, 02:50 PM	#17
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	I'd bet programs like Juggcash decline cards, then offer a secondary processor or another option that doesn't pay affiliates, or a much lower % of affiliates too. It seems like if there's a way to be screwing with affiliates nowadays, they're on it like flies to shit.

08-17-2009, 01:01 AM	#21
hjnet Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 3,815	Less paying customers + the same amount of cheaters = higher % of fraud -> more scrubbing required

08-17-2009, 01:40 AM	#22
Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,515	CCbill is the worst.