Chargeback abuse - GoFuckYourself.com

kowalsky · 08-19-2009, 08:17 AM

Today it happened again. An old member after 5 months of rebills asked for chargebacks, so he got again the credit for all those months. It sucks because the guy clearly enjoy the content during all that time, and it sucks because a reseller will see a negative in his stats today. It also sucks because Zombaio charge me $12.50 for each chargeback.

What`s the limit of chargeback for those billing companies? If someone who have a membership for 2 years claimed chargebacks the company is gonna give them that?

Shit. I am angry.

Barefootsies · 08-19-2009, 08:44 AM

With most companies it is 2 months.

However, in the case of fraud, kid stole card, or some other special circumstance. They can give them up to 6 from what I have seen in my experience.

Luckily, I almost never see a charge back or refund. Maybe 1-2 a month of average? However, who and what, and time limit on charge back seems to vary based on processor, and reason given as well as point of contact. The processor for the pay site or the original bank for the credit card..

ShellyCrash · 08-19-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

They can give them up to 6 from what I have seen in my experience.

Agreed. Over 90% of fraud claims are bullshit though, such a shame. Sometimes it's from getting busted by a wife / gf, sometimes they are just lazy and claim fraud rather than call to see what the charge is for, and some of them are just complete bastards.

camchoice · 08-19-2009, 09:18 AM

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Ron Bennett · 08-19-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kowalsky

...What`s the limit of chargeback for those billing companies? If someone who have a membership for 2 years claimed chargebacks the company is gonna give them that?...

Possibly, if the customer claims fraud. With chargebacks, there's no limit in how far back one can go, when fraud is alleged.

There's still a timelimit, but here's the catch ... when it comes to fraud, the clock often starts from the fraud report date!

And also, in a rebill situation, a processor may justify taking back all rebills, even if they started years ago, if the most recent related rebill occurred within the past few months.

It's possible for one to contest such chargebacks, but takes much time and effort.

While I've read some horror stories on GFY regarding chargebacks, they pale in comparison to those I've read on the PayPal forums - sellers getting hit with chargebacks for the purchase of physical goods (non-recurring) transactions a year or more later!

Ron

kowalsky · 08-19-2009, 10:43 AM

Yes, 6 months seems to be too much for me. If you have been billed for 2 or 3 months and you never noticed something worng in your card, that means the guy is not takeing enough responsabilities, then why is me who have to pay for it? It`s crazy...

I want to know how many months ccbill can chargeback a buyer. I already sent an email, let see ehat they say..

ShellyCrash · 08-19-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

It's possible for one to contest such chargebacks, but takes much time and effort.

While I've read some horror stories on GFY regarding chargebacks, they pale in comparison to those I've read on the PayPal forums - sellers getting hit with chargebacks for the purchase of physical goods (non-recurring) transactions a year or more later!

Ron

Fighting chargebacks is one arena where dating sites have the upper hand. When someone processes a chargeback we usually not only have the email address and IP, but also photos, profile information, and email coorispondance which sometimes contains nuggets like phone numbers, etc. Even with all that there's no guarantee the banks will side with the merchant over the customer, but it sure helps.

Paypal is a bastard. I always urge everyone I know who ships physical goods to buy the delivery confirmation from the post office. It usually only runs a buck or two extra per peice and it's so worth it.

kowalsky · 08-19-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Possibly, if the customer claims fraud. With chargebacks, there's no limit in how far back one can go, when fraud is alleged.

There's still a timelimit, but here's the catch ... when it comes to fraud, the clock often starts from the fraud report date!

And also, in a rebill situation, a processor may justify taking back all rebills, even if they started years ago, if the most recent related rebill occurred within the past few months.

It's possible for one to contest such chargebacks, but takes much time and effort.

While I've read some horror stories on GFY regarding chargebacks, they pale in comparison to those I've read on the PayPal forums - sellers getting hit with chargebacks for the purchase of physical goods (non-recurring) transactions a year or more later!

Ron

No limit? Shit! I can stand a whole year chargeback, but what is really annoying is to have to explain to the affialite why his account is now negative, all because as Shelly said "90% of fraud claims are bullshit".

BradM · 08-19-2009, 10:48 AM

We fight CBs to the death.

Ron Bennett · 08-19-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kowalsky

Yes, 6 months seems to be too much for me. If you have been billed for 2 or 3 months and you never noticed something worng in your card, that means the guy is not takeing enough responsabilities, then why is me who have to pay for it? It`s crazy...

What if fraud was involved? The true card holder might not get the billing statements.

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Originally Posted by kowalsky

I want to know how many months ccbill can chargeback a buyer. I already sent an email, let see ehat they say..

Be interested in seeing what they say, but I wager whatever such time limits they state (which may not be hard limits anyways, if they use qualifiers, such as "may" or "usually", etc) doesn't include fraud alleged by the card holder; be sure to follow-up on that.

Ron

seeandsee · 08-19-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by camchoice

Try using maxmind in between processing ...

interesting

HomerSimpson · 08-19-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by camchoice

Try using maxmind in between processing ...

how can that help?
do you have some numbers to share?

GregE · 08-19-2009, 11:44 AM

As I recall, BVF had a pretty effective Rx for dealing with chargebacks

It only works on the dumbest of the dumb however.

Major (Tom) · 08-19-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kowalsky

Today it happened again. An old member after 5 months of rebills asked for chargebacks, so he got again the credit for all those months. It sucks because the guy clearly enjoy the content during all that time, and it sucks because a reseller will see a negative in his stats today. It also sucks because Zombaio charge me $12.50 for each chargeback.

What`s the limit of chargeback for those billing companies? If someone who have a membership for 2 years claimed chargebacks the company is gonna give them that?

Shit. I am angry.

6 usually, i believe.

3rd party billers are ok but definatley on the way out.
Duke

08-19-2009, 08:17 AM	#1
kowalsky Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,494	Chargeback abuse Today it happened again. An old member after 5 months of rebills asked for chargebacks, so he got again the credit for all those months. It sucks because the guy clearly enjoy the content during all that time, and it sucks because a reseller will see a negative in his stats today. It also sucks because Zombaio charge me $12.50 for each chargeback. What`s the limit of chargeback for those billing companies? If someone who have a membership for 2 years claimed chargebacks the company is gonna give them that? Shit. I am angry. __________________ Jimmy Kowalsky www.catchycash.com [email protected] ICQ - 7319094

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kowalsky Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,494	Yes, 6 months seems to be too much for me. If you have been billed for 2 or 3 months and you never noticed something worng in your card, that means the guy is not takeing enough responsabilities, then why is me who have to pay for it? It`s crazy... I want to know how many months ccbill can chargeback a buyer. I already sent an email, let see ehat they say.. __________________ Jimmy Kowalsky www.catchycash.com [email protected] ICQ - 7319094

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