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Fun stuff...would like to see Cheney and Hannity deny this shit is torture.

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One of the best things I have heard recently is from Jesse Ventura. he used to be a Navy Seal and he has been waterboarded. He says it is torture, no question. Then he said, "You give me Dick Cheney, a waterboard and 30 minutes and I will have him confessing to the great Chicago fire."

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well it all looks bad now no doubt but be honest please on 9/12/2001 how would you feel if the CIA openly said we will go and destroy these guys torture them and fry them, if you say you would still be mad at this it simply means u have 0 feelings for the thousands of people who burned to death and the many children who will suffer forever because of this.

yeah time passed we forgive and forget but to many are quick to judge without thinking the mental state of those wanting to protect us. they didnt do this because they wanted to have fun.

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Sure, you're right. I'm not sure I'd do things that differently if I were in the same position. That doesn't make it right though. What if, god forbid, one or more of those suspects was wrongly suspected? The moment the door opens for this type of shit, lord knows who it will be used on. In a perfect world it would only be used to save lives, but this is unfortunately a human world.

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SonOfaBeach

Just so I'm sure I'm reading this correctly, the "torture" - aka - unloaded gun, sounds of a power drill, caterpillars in his cell, and telling him they were going to kill his family if there was another attack on the US - was all psychological based... not any real physical torture, harm or pain inflicted - right??

But then again, I guess it IS a good thing that we're going after these CIA bastards. After all, if they were allowed to get away with this, there's no telling what these Jihadists would do if they ever captured a US serviceman. They might resort to physical torture - like, I dunno, cutting their heads off live on camera - or setting them afire and then drag their burning bodies through the streets of Baghdad or something awful like that!!

Oh... wait...

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Gotta love this guy. I wish he were MY governor.

JamesK

That's such a stupid way of thinking.

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Rangermoore

I guess it was not torture what they did to Nick Berg by cutting his head off with a knife..Or what they did to the 3 US soldiers when they dragged them to death on a dirt road in iraq or what they did to the Blackwater guys by dragging them and then hanging them on a bridge.. You have NO IDEA what goes on over there or what the Soldiers deal with everyday not only from our own shitty government but the iraqis as well...It's all just "Fun Stuff" right...MORON...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...aq-trial_N.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Berg

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Rangermoore

If it gets info from them than fuck them.. Do you think they care about us?

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Rangermoore

RIGHT ON MAN...You hit the nail on the head...

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Rangermoore

Your a moron

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quantum-x

The point is, you'd confess to raping kiddies with kangaroos while being tortured.
It's called 'duress' for a reason.

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Rangermoore

That's right.. I used to put a cattle prod on the iraqis nut sack's to get them to tell me what I wanted to know...I worked very well...Ever seen a grown man piss & shit himself because he was scared? Sometimes if I had a bad week I would make them roll around in it.. "FUN STUFF" Obama come get me...

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PornMD

So then in your mind we're not doing enough? Lemme guess, we should rape them, cut off fingers, forcefeed them shit, etc.? Then more of their relatives become terrorists and set out to capture some of us and do that shit to us and so on and so forth. Yea, let's join the middle east.

What if by some mistake (you know, that thing that law enforcement and military does a lot) they have a relative of yours as a suspected terrorist or military combatant or traitor or whatever they want to label them and does this shit to them?

Oh yea, and psychological harm is in some cases worse than physical harm because the body can heal a lot of physical harm (and even surgeries and whatnot can fix some things the body can't heal) but psychological harm can easily last forever and be irreparable. It's funny how in the name of trying to reach world peace (which is what everyone wants, right?) we'll threaten to kill children of suspects. And heck, if that suspect doesn't HAVE the information that they're suspected to have and thus is still "not cooperating", what if we then decide that perhaps killing their children is then justified?

Imagine if there is a god, facing them in the afterlife and having to try and justify why you'd kill or threaten to kill children. That'd be a fun explanation.

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Rangermoore

Sorry if I get out of line with my response's but it just makes me sick to hear people talk about things that they have no idea about...If anyone has ever picked up their fellow soldier's guts up from a road after being blown to bits by those animals then I will listen to what you have to say...

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PornMD

So question: should we be doing all that and more back to them simply because they're doing it to us? Ask Israel - I'm sure they've probably already gone to such lengths and it hasn't stopped shit over there. Meanwhile we're becoming just as savage.

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PornMD

If it's a case of respectfully disagreeing vs. not giving the non-torture side any merit, then that's perfectly fine and I'd respectfully agree to disagree. Clearly someone that has been involved in trauma like what you mention will be more inclined to justify torture, and I wouldn't see anyone as wrong for wanting to use torture to save innocent lives.

I think my biggest problem with THIS (the stuff in the story) honestly is not that our government was torturing terrorist suspects, but that our government was covering it up, calling some obvious torture tactics non-torture, etc., which is to say they knew the American people and other countries wouldn't like it and they still did it anyways and hid it. If you're going to do it, do it, champion it, and explain why you're doing it...don't hide it and thus give credence to it being wrong to do.

My next biggest problem with it is the justification of it on the basis of terrorists do vile things to people they capture, because then where do you draw the line? If terrorists start capturing people and killing their families, do we start killing egregiously killing their families? How exactly would you justify that? Why try and be MORE savage than savages? Not only that, but if we keep going down that slope, we may as well start the countdown of someone using gnarly biological weapons and mass-destruction to seriously fuck things up. If each side constantly needs to outdo the other, things will lead to nukes and beyond. Then what, we live underground to be safe - what a wonderful life that'd be!

The issue of torture really doesn't involve a right or wrong opinion...there's differing opinions that all hold merit. Torturing people CAN end up saving innocent lives, just like torturing someone that is wrongly suspected would be needlessly ruining a life. The only thing I can say is that doing more vile things to people to try and reach peace and make life better for future generations just doesn't make much sense to me.

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DaddyHalbucks

US servicemen will die at the hands of Al Qaeda so Obama can make some political points.

What a treacherous fucker!

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Rangermoore

that's cool.. i was wrong to call you a name.. I was out of line.. Sorry..I do respect your view..After all this is America...

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Rangermoore

Your right..Sometimes I do sit and think about all the ...Shall we say "questionable things" that I did to some of them.. I am not proud of it but it was what it was.. At the time it served a purpose..I was with someone after we just got hit and this person was just about to put a bullet in this womans head as she held her baby because her husband was the one that set the IED off on us.. I would not let him do it..Not saying I am good or anything but that does give me some comfort for the fucked up shit I did to others...

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BestXXXPorn

We treat our prisoners more humanely than any one of the opposing forces would treat US soldiers...

I'm tired of all the "AMG they threatened the lives of their loved ones..." Well no shit, they're under interrogation for terrorist acts and killing hundreds of innocent civilians. What do you want a picnic on the grass by a lake with a nice Cab and a Fillet?!

Is anyone missing any body parts? Go look up SERE school or better yet, ask anyone who's actually BEEN to SERE school how they were treated... Worse than the detainees that's for damn sure and they are our own troops.

I'm tired of the bleeding heart liberal crap about the way prisoners are detained. Treating prisoners kindly won't get you anywhere closer to extracting information out of them...

And besides it's too late... To all you who don't read bills that are passed including all the addendum additions you missed your opportunity to act. I called my senator and congressmen when they were passing this:

http://www.outie.net/forums//viewthr...ge=1#pid390209

Did you?

Take your pic on sources for the vid or news articles or whatever, I chose that post for that avatar. Can someone tell me who that is? hahahah

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Well look at you. You solved the whole WW2 Nazi excuse to torture Jews, Ramas and millions of others. Congrats, you are complete idiot.

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Sure. Jessica Lynch was raped and tortured by those damn arabs.

Phallus Fondue

what they did is way fucking wrong and horrible on all counts. do not think you will find many that will disagree that they have done fucked up shit to our soldiers. blackwater contractors are another matter and debat, in simple terms fuck them and most of them all should be in prison. back to the torture element though. does not matter what our enemies do, we used to be above that. we do not have to lower ourselves to their level. or as many grandparents have said, two wrongs do not make a right.

i do know what goes on over there too by the way. both my brother who is doing his third tour right now in afghanistan and my cousin who is now a has two war caused injuries and is a dissabled vet because it it, one of those and the one that made him permanetly disabled was cause by a blackwater contractor who "mistakingly" lit up my cousins patrol and was shot at near point blank range in the back severing his spine above his talebone.

you sir are an idiot of the highest magnitude. very surprised you have not been verbally gang rapped on this board yet, juding by assorted past threads and posts i have read around here about others.
obama is allowing for a probe into interrogations under bushes watch and thus his orders, the very person who put servicemens lives in danger and is responsible for thousands of their deaths, tens of thousands of their injuries, and countless harms against civilians caught in the middle. fighting will still go on, troops will be supplied their arms and protection, many will be brought home, and of course none will be fighting any war on terrorism anymore since obama has also declared a war against terrorism *tactic* now over. in the meantime potential war crimes, not political points will be investigated and tried if they are found. get that war crimes, not political points so please go choke on a cock. it is painfully obvious that you are a diehard blue state bush supporter who would gladly be spoonfed shit out of his asshole and swear to the rest of everyone it tastes like pudding.

DonovanTrent

Two wrongs don't make a right, end doesn't justify the means. We aren't supposed to torture because we're supposed to be above that stuff. We just don't roll that way.

Except for a few years in this decade, apparently...

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cykoe6

Agreed. A real disgrace.

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No, it wasn't.... It was a brutal execution, but not more brutal then the killing of Saddam sons or the hanging of Sadam himself... Just remind me what exactly was he doing in Iraq ????

like you guys normally say :
" it's a war , get over it, shit happens ... "


Blackwater are mercenaries.. they are highly paid to take risks ... and to my knowledge have been kicked out of Iraq for killing civilians ... CIVILIANS !!!! ( they were also contracted as hired killer by the CIA ... no wonder they changed name )

Nobody asked the US to send troops there ... It was supposed to be a picnic, a walk in the park ... don't want the heat, get the fucl out of there and invade Grenada for a second time.


Meanwhile, you guys were whining because the Irqis showed pictures of four US captured soldiersiting on the floor of a room ( released very shortly after ) and making stories about the poor Jessica Lynch as well as falsifying reports of the death of Pat Tillman ....

Still a conspiracy by american haters ? Tin Foil hats ? ...

The real american haters are guys like you and Dick Cheney

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Rangermoore

Your funny...

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Rangermoore

I am sorry to hear about your cousin,
You just think you know whats going.. Have YOU ever been there? While your brother is over there now your sitting here having an easy life compared to the guys and gals there..
And I have been to both Iraq 2004 & 2005 Afghanistan 2006 & 2007 as well as a few other places in the 80's. Grenada, Panama, just mention a few. I was hired by Blackwater to go back in 2008, I just wanted to get out of the game for awhile..I am getting to old to play that shit anymore.. So I think I know a little of what I am talking about..

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Phallus Fondue

one do not begin to judge my life nor begin to think if it is easy or not. you do not have a clue. i speak to him as often as possible via webcam. i am also now supporting his wife, and two children. i also help support my cousin. i do get filled in constantly about what is going on and what he has had to do, witnessed, and so forth.
two, you may know what your talking about as far as being a soldier. you still apparently havent a clue about why we should not torture as a country, why we should be above it, and then most importantly because it just does not work period end of story. now if you feel you need to let out your anger, racism, religious antics, or ptsd issues on opposing captured troops then you sir need counselling at the least and potentially a tribunal if some of your claims are actually true.
enough of my damn family has died or been injured over the years for this country and the last thing i or anyone else needs is someone to attempt to tear down one of the principles that many of them who have died fought for. beyond fighting for our freedoms, we have fought for our way of life and the moral high ground and you sir are just spitting in their general direction.
you showed your colors to me the second you said you once were with blackwater. no need to answer any more. i do not condone anyone who will participate in an unconstitutional army of paid mercenary religious crusaders.