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NoWhErE · 09-08-2009, 06:37 PM

I'm looking for a sponsor that has a REAL swingers website? Something thats not too high profile.

svzcom · 09-08-2009, 06:42 PM

These are the sponsors with SWINGER niche, but they seems not too real to me, maybe people traffic or fling is the most near to real:

Guerilla Traffic ($35 PPS or 60% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)

Discreet Cheaters

Swing Now

Swingers Porno

More Fucking Money (50% Revshare - CCBill)

British Doggers

Nasty Dollars ($35-$40 PPS - Check)

Fling.com

People Traffic ($35 PPS or 50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)

Sex In Your City

Swingers In Your City

Reality Cash ($40 PPS or 65% Revshare - Check, Epassporte)

First Time Wife Swappers

Swinger Money (50% Revshare - CCBill)

Absolute Kim

Alannah Miles

Annas Fun House

Devins Desire

Jean Swings

Lana Devious

Swinger Ville

Top Bucks (up to $42 or 60% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)

Rookie Swingers

Wife Switch

LeRoy · 09-08-2009, 06:46 PM

Here you go bro

Hunters Cash

Lotsa $$$

NoWhErE · 09-08-2009, 06:53 PM

Ok I need to specify, Im looking for a dating-type sponsor where people create profiles, etc.

synapse · 09-08-2009, 06:55 PM

We have a very active Swingers group at ANYwebcam.com as well as a lot of curious people about the lifestyle ... Check out more about our program announcement and about our new traffic back promo ... and as always let me know if I can be of any help.

- David

svzcom · 09-08-2009, 07:05 PM

They have dating:

Nasty Dollars ($35-$40 PPS - Check)

Fling.com

People Traffic ($35 PPS or 50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)

Sex In Your City

Swingers In Your City

svzcom · 09-08-2009, 07:20 PM

My complete list of dating sponsors:

Dating Gold ($2-$5 per mail or $75-$150 PPS or 35%-50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)

Amateur Match

Asian Amateur Match

Bee Match

Date Match

Ebony Amateur Match

Gay Amateur Match

Lesbian Amateur Match

Loaded Cash ($1.25 Pay Per Click, up to $50 PPS or 60% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)

GCruise

XXX Black Book

Lust Dollars ($1.25-$2.50 Pay Profile, $35-$50 PPS or 60% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Webmoney)

U Lust

Nasty Dollars ($35-$40 PPS - Check)

Fling

People Traffic ($35 PPS or 50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)

Sex In Your City

Swingers In Your City

Pimp Mansion (50% Revshare - Epassporte, Wire Transfer)

Affairs Club

Horny Matches - Nº1 DATING SITE

Lonely Wives Affairs

Passion Matches

Personal Date Finder

Sex Date Personals

True Adult Date

Pussy Cash (up to $100 PPS or 50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte)

Bang Match

Wild Match

Sex Search (75% Revshare - Regular Mail, Wire Transfer)

Sex Search

SPACash (up to $44 PPS or 60% Revshare - Epassporte, Western Union, Wire Transfer)

Adult Meeter

Local Meeter

areagirls · 09-08-2009, 07:21 PM

http://whopaidme.com/niche/swinger/

16 Best Swinger Sites
averaged from all review sites

#1 4 Real Swingers Anna Miller from 4 Real Cash
(swingers) (Rating: 4.3 / 5 with 10 Reviews)

#2 Teen Swing Brooke Anderson from 4 Real Cash
(teen - swingers) (Rating: 3.8 / 5 with 4 Reviews)

#3 Big Sister Live from Big Sister
(swingers - reality) (Rating: 3.8 / 5 with 2 Reviews)

#4 Swing Club Hunters from Hunters Cash
(swingers - spy cam - voyeur) (Rating: 3.5 / 5 with 3 Reviews)

#5 Jean Swings from Swinger Money
(solo girl - swingers - solo) (Rating: 3.5 / 5 with 4 Reviews)

#6 Our XXX Life from Voyeur Cash
(amateur - swingers - home made) (Rating: 3.4 / 5 with 7 Reviews)

#7 Rookie Swingers from Top Bucks
(swingers) (Rating: 3.4 / 5 with 10 Reviews)

#8 Real Tampa Swingers from Lotza Dollars
(swingers) (Rating: 3.3 / 5 with 7 Reviews)

#9 Couples Seduce Teens from Top Bucks
(teen - swingers) (Rating: 3.3 / 5 with 21 Reviews)

#10 Wife Switch from Top Bucks
(house wives - mature - swingers) (Rating: 3.2 / 5 with 17 Reviews)

#11 Naughty Swinger Wife from Frankie Bank
(group sex - swingers - threesome) (Rating: 3.0 / 5 with 1 Review)

#12 Watch Our Wives from Lotza Dollars
(house wives - mature - swingers) (Rating: 2.8 / 5 with 3 Reviews)

#13 First Time Wife Swappers from Reality Cash
(swingers) (Rating: 2.7 / 5 with 2 Reviews)

#14 Swingin Gina from Amateur Porn Dollars
(amateur - swingers) (Rating: 2.6 / 5 with 3 Reviews)

#15 The Swinger from Over Bucks
(swingers) (Rating: 2.5 / 5 with 1 Review)

#16 Swinger Quest from Get Cyber Cash
(swingers) (Rating: 2.0 / 5 with 2 Reviews)

Source: Highest Rated Swinger Sites @ WhoPaidMe

mike

O MARINA · 09-08-2009, 08:29 PM

SexSearch converts with Swingers traffic
info in sig

Jake · 09-08-2009, 08:47 PM

NaughtyBank - We have two great SWINGER/AMATEUR sites, NaughtyAllie & NaughtyJulie

Below are a few sample FHG's.

SAMPLE GALLERY 1

SAMPLE GALLERY 2

SAMPLE GALLERY 3

SAMPLE GALLERY 4

We also have quite a bit of content available in widescreen HD format as well:

HD SAMPLE GALLERY 1

HD SAMPLE GALLERY 2

HD SAMPLE GALLERY 3

SAMPLE GALLERY 4

Cash · 09-08-2009, 09:52 PM

The real swinger sites feature average looking women, not the usual porn stars ...

HookUPcom · 09-08-2009, 10:12 PM

We do well... HookUP.com

.

VIPimp · 09-08-2009, 10:13 PM

LotzaDollars.com has a good swingers site.

eroticsexxx · 09-09-2009, 02:19 AM

SleazyDream · 09-09-2009, 02:36 AM

real sites like naughty bank and anna miller are the real deal and convert well

Stephen McTowelie · 09-09-2009, 03:19 AM

Hit us up we have the newest and most unique dating and swingers program in the US

Building on the model and structure of BSC, American Sex Contacts has a fresh new look and feel with improved features and better usability geared towards the US market.

American Sex Contacts is already getting great conversion ratios and our unique billing model is proving to be a big hit with the Americans!

As well as a dedicated support team, we are constantly adding new Webmaster resources to help maximise conversions and profits!

Reasons to try American Sex Contacts:

- Unique billing structure ? brand new to America

- Brilliant conversion ratios ? 5:1 and higher

- Geared specifically for the US market

- Thousands of current active members

- Customisable Website

- In-depth traffic and revenue statistics

- ZERO chargebacks

- Great referral rates
Goto our affiliate join page for more at http://www.americansexcontacts.com/Webmasters.php

signbucks · 09-09-2009, 03:24 AM

over here: http://www.signbucksdaily.com/sites/list/niche/188/

good luck

Hannah Extreme contains photos, videos in following niches:
STRAIGHT: anal, blow job, hardcore, individual, MILF
WIDE FETISH: pierced tongue, piercing, shaved, swingers, tattoo
ETHNICS: american
Partnership: Depraved Dollars (6 sites, CCBill AP) Webmaster's payout: $25, weekly
Pay method: check, wire, wire US

Sammy 4 U contains photos, videos in following niches:
STRAIGHT: anal, blow job, boobs, creampie, cumshots, facials / bukkake, handjob, hardcore, individual, lesbian, masturbation, MILF, orgy (4+ in action), outdoor, party, solo, toys / dildos
WIDE FETISH: blonde, swingers, tattoo
FETISH: facials
ETHNICS: american
Partnership: Sammy Smack (1 sites, NATS) Webmaster's payout: $100, bi-weekly
Pay method: check, ePassporte

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STRAIGHT: hardcore, MILF
WIDE FETISH: swingers
ETHNICS: american, black m white f, interracial
Partnership: Ring Of Change (8 sites, CCBill AP) Webmaster's payout: $25, weekly
Pay method: check, wire, wire US

Mask TV contains HD, photos, videos in following niches:
STRAIGHT: 1 man / many girls, amateur, behind the scene, interview, orgy (4+ in action)
WIDE FETISH: hq, mask, swingers
Partnership: Banking Bucks (4 sites, NATS) Webmaster's payout: $50, weekly
Pay method: check, ePassporte, wire, wire US
Bonus: multisite access (4 sites)

CarlosTheGaucho · 09-09-2009, 06:25 AM

We don't have a dating style website, but if you were interested in testing www.swingersoncamera.com let me know.

The program is not launched yet, and it's only banners and linkcodes available now, yet if there's someone interested, drop me an email at [email protected] and I'll set you up.

We're also running Big Sister Live as mentioned above, but please use those respective referral links if signing up.

Thanks for the referrals!

Jake · 09-09-2009, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

real sites like naughty bank and anna miller are the real deal and convert well

Thanks Scott!

NoWhErE · 09-09-2009, 12:04 PM

Its ok, I've already found my sponsor.

Currently converting at 1:20

djswivle · 09-09-2009, 02:14 PM

who was the lucky sponsor? (with that great ratio!)...

Brooke Anderson · 09-09-2009, 02:25 PM

Glad to see I made this list. Thanks areagirls for the recomendation.

You know, the funny thing about swingers, I see myself in a few scenes in this thread!

Bruce_Miller · 09-09-2009, 03:14 PM

Hey it's nice to be recognized

Thank you Area Girls, and Sleazy for the plugs!!

Brooke also hit is right on the head, if you look closely you will see a lot of us in others content, mostly because we all like to party together and of course share our wives

After all, we are 4Real, and we won't work with anyone unless they are also 4Real

We have seen too many "fake swingers" over the years.

09-09-2009, 03:24 AM	#17
signbucks Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 651	over here: http://www.signbucksdaily.com/sites/list/niche/188/ good luck Hannah Extreme contains photos, videos in following niches: STRAIGHT: anal, blow job, hardcore, individual, MILF WIDE FETISH: pierced tongue, piercing, shaved, swingers, tattoo ETHNICS: american Partnership: Depraved Dollars (6 sites, CCBill AP) Webmaster's payout: $25, weekly Pay method: check, wire, wire US Sammy 4 U contains photos, videos in following niches: STRAIGHT: anal, blow job, boobs, creampie, cumshots, facials / bukkake, handjob, hardcore, individual, lesbian, masturbation, MILF, orgy (4+ in action), outdoor, party, solo, toys / dildos WIDE FETISH: blonde, swingers, tattoo FETISH: facials ETHNICS: american Partnership: Sammy Smack (1 sites, NATS) Webmaster's payout: $100, bi-weekly Pay method: check, ePassporte White Girls Black Cocks contains photos, videos in following niches: STRAIGHT: hardcore, MILF WIDE FETISH: swingers ETHNICS: american, black m white f, interracial Partnership: Ring Of Change (8 sites, CCBill AP) Webmaster's payout: $25, weekly Pay method: check, wire, wire US Mask TV contains HD, photos, videos in following niches: STRAIGHT: 1 man / many girls, amateur, behind the scene, interview, orgy (4+ in action) WIDE FETISH: hq, mask, swingers Partnership: Banking Bucks (4 sites, NATS) Webmaster's payout: $50, weekly Pay method: check, ePassporte, wire, wire US Bonus: multisite access (4 sites) __________________ BIGGEST adult affiliate program data server ever: 12k paysites, 1.6k niches, exp domains, paysites down, ratings, cookies check, blog directories, link lists... 100% of all CCBill programs

09-09-2009, 06:25 AM	#18
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,512	We don't have a dating style website, but if you were interested in testing www.swingersoncamera.com let me know. The program is not launched yet, and it's only banners and linkcodes available now, yet if there's someone interested, drop me an email at [email protected] and I'll set you up. We're also running Big Sister Live as mentioned above, but please use those respective referral links if signing up. Thanks for the referrals! __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year?

09-09-2009, 12:04 PM	#20
NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,331	Its ok, I've already found my sponsor. Currently converting at 1:20 __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

09-09-2009, 02:25 PM	#22
Brooke Anderson Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Missouri, near Kansas City Posts: 346	Glad to see I made this list. Thanks areagirls for the recomendation. You know, the funny thing about swingers, I see myself in a few scenes in this thread! __________________ www.4realcash.com

09-08-2009, 06:37 PM	#1
NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,331	Spam me :::: SWINGERS I'm looking for a sponsor that has a REAL swingers website? Something thats not too high profile. __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

09-08-2009, 06:42 PM	#2
svzcom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: [email protected] Posts: 4,654	These are the sponsors with SWINGER niche, but they seems not too real to me, maybe people traffic or fling is the most near to real: Guerilla Traffic *($35 PPS or 60% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)* Discreet Cheaters Swing Now Swingers Porno More Fucking Money *(50% Revshare - CCBill)* British Doggers Nasty Dollars *($35-$40 PPS - Check)* Fling.com People Traffic *($35 PPS or 50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)* Sex In Your City Swingers In Your City Reality Cash *($40 PPS or 65% Revshare - Check, Epassporte)* First Time Wife Swappers Swinger Money *(50% Revshare - CCBill)* Absolute Kim Alannah Miles Annas Fun House Devins Desire Jean Swings Lana Devious Swinger Ville Top Bucks *(up to $42 or 60% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)* Rookie Swingers Wife Switch __________________ AmateurGfs.com - AmateursPorn.com - CastingSex.com - Gay-Cams.com - SeeMyCash.com - XXXTapes.com THESE AND MORE PREMIUM DOMAINS HERE

09-08-2009, 06:46 PM	#3
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09-08-2009, 06:53 PM	#4
NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,331	Ok I need to specify, Im looking for a dating-type sponsor where people create profiles, etc. __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

09-08-2009, 06:55 PM	#5
synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	We have a very active Swingers group at ANYwebcam.com as well as a lot of curious people about the lifestyle ... Check out more about our program announcement and about our new traffic back promo ... and as always let me know if I can be of any help. - David

09-08-2009, 07:05 PM	#6
svzcom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: [email protected] Posts: 4,654	They have dating: Nasty Dollars *($35-$40 PPS - Check)* Fling.com People Traffic *($35 PPS or 50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)* Sex In Your City Swingers In Your City __________________ AmateurGfs.com - AmateursPorn.com - CastingSex.com - Gay-Cams.com - SeeMyCash.com - XXXTapes.com THESE AND MORE PREMIUM DOMAINS HERE

09-08-2009, 07:20 PM	#7
svzcom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: [email protected] Posts: 4,654	My complete list of dating sponsors: Dating Gold *($2-$5 per mail or $75-$150 PPS or 35%-50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)* Amateur Match Asian Amateur Match Bee Match Date Match Ebony Amateur Match Gay Amateur Match Lesbian Amateur Match Loaded Cash *($1.25 Pay Per Click, up to $50 PPS or 60% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)* GCruise XXX Black Book Lust Dollars *($1.25-$2.50 Pay Profile, $35-$50 PPS or 60% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Webmoney)* U Lust Nasty Dollars *($35-$40 PPS - Check)* Fling People Traffic *($35 PPS or 50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte, Wire Transfer)* Sex In Your City Swingers In Your City Pimp Mansion *(50% Revshare - Epassporte, Wire Transfer)* Affairs Club Horny Matches - Nº1 DATING SITE Lonely Wives Affairs Passion Matches Personal Date Finder Sex Date Personals True Adult Date Pussy Cash *(up to $100 PPS or 50% Revshare - Check, Epassporte)* Bang Match Wild Match Sex Search *(75% Revshare - Regular Mail, Wire Transfer)* Sex Search SPACash *(up to $44 PPS or 60% Revshare - Epassporte, Western Union, Wire Transfer)* Adult Meeter Local Meeter __________________ AmateurGfs.com - AmateursPorn.com - CastingSex.com - Gay-Cams.com - SeeMyCash.com - XXXTapes.com THESE AND MORE PREMIUM DOMAINS HERE

09-08-2009, 07:21 PM	#8
areagirls Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,678	http://whopaidme.com/niche/swinger/ 16 Best Swinger Sites averaged from all review sites #1 4 Real Swingers Anna Miller from 4 Real Cash (swingers) (Rating: 4.3 / 5 with 10 Reviews) #2 Teen Swing Brooke Anderson from 4 Real Cash (teen - swingers) (Rating: 3.8 / 5 with 4 Reviews) #3 Big Sister Live from Big Sister (swingers - reality) (Rating: 3.8 / 5 with 2 Reviews) #4 Swing Club Hunters from Hunters Cash (swingers - spy cam - voyeur) (Rating: 3.5 / 5 with 3 Reviews) #5 Jean Swings from Swinger Money (solo girl - swingers - solo) (Rating: 3.5 / 5 with 4 Reviews) #6 Our XXX Life from Voyeur Cash (amateur - swingers - home made) (Rating: 3.4 / 5 with 7 Reviews) #7 Rookie Swingers from Top Bucks (swingers) (Rating: 3.4 / 5 with 10 Reviews) #8 Real Tampa Swingers from Lotza Dollars (swingers) (Rating: 3.3 / 5 with 7 Reviews) #9 Couples Seduce Teens from Top Bucks (teen - swingers) (Rating: 3.3 / 5 with 21 Reviews) #10 Wife Switch from Top Bucks (house wives - mature - swingers) (Rating: 3.2 / 5 with 17 Reviews) #11 Naughty Swinger Wife from Frankie Bank (group sex - swingers - threesome) (Rating: 3.0 / 5 with 1 Review) #12 Watch Our Wives from Lotza Dollars (house wives - mature - swingers) (Rating: 2.8 / 5 with 3 Reviews) #13 First Time Wife Swappers from Reality Cash (swingers) (Rating: 2.7 / 5 with 2 Reviews) #14 Swingin Gina from Amateur Porn Dollars (amateur - swingers) (Rating: 2.6 / 5 with 3 Reviews) #15 The Swinger from Over Bucks (swingers) (Rating: 2.5 / 5 with 1 Review) #16 Swinger Quest from Get Cyber Cash (swingers) (Rating: 2.0 / 5 with 2 Reviews) Source: Highest Rated Swinger Sites @ WhoPaidMe mike __________________ WhoPaidMe - Cheque names, ePassporte IDs, Alexa data, combined review scores, new site launches & promos, for every sponsor and every niche!

09-08-2009, 08:29 PM	#9
O MARINA I'm clockin' ya, Versace shade watchin' ya Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: internet Posts: 13,795	SexSearch converts with Swingers traffic info in sig

09-08-2009, 08:47 PM	#10
Jake Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CO, US Posts: 3,056	NaughtyBank - We have two great SWINGER/AMATEUR sites, NaughtyAllie & NaughtyJulie Below are a few sample FHG's. SAMPLE GALLERY 1 SAMPLE GALLERY 2 SAMPLE GALLERY 3 SAMPLE GALLERY 4 We also have quite a bit of content available in widescreen HD format as well: HD SAMPLE GALLERY 1 HD SAMPLE GALLERY 2 HD SAMPLE GALLERY 3 SAMPLE GALLERY 4 __________________

09-08-2009, 09:52 PM	#11
Cash Click on my TCG signature Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 20,825	The real swinger sites feature average looking women, not the usual porn stars ... __________________ $9.95/month for 15000 GB bandwidth monthly, unlimited (sub)domains and MySQL5, PHP4/5, 500 GB disk storage! ; use any of these invitation codes: 216263692101; 408636009193; 846090586647; my ICQ 30160426!

09-09-2009, 02:36 AM	#15
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09-08-2009, 10:12 PM	#12
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09-08-2009, 10:13 PM	#13
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	LotzaDollars.com has a good swingers site.

09-09-2009, 02:19 AM	#14
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09-09-2009, 03:19 AM	#16
Stephen McTowelie Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 734	Hit us up we have the newest and most unique dating and swingers program in the US Building on the model and structure of BSC, American Sex Contacts has a fresh new look and feel with improved features and better usability geared towards the US market. American Sex Contacts is already getting great conversion ratios and our unique billing model is proving to be a big hit with the Americans! As well as a dedicated support team, we are constantly adding new Webmaster resources to help maximise conversions and profits! Reasons to try American Sex Contacts: - Unique billing structure ? brand new to America - Brilliant conversion ratios ? 5:1 and higher - Geared specifically for the US market - Thousands of current active members - Customisable Website - In-depth traffic and revenue statistics - ZERO chargebacks - Great referral rates Goto our affiliate join page for more at http://www.americansexcontacts.com/Webmasters.php __________________ 396019140

09-09-2009, 02:14 PM	#21
djswivle Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 235	who was the lucky sponsor? (with that great ratio!)...

09-09-2009, 03:14 PM	#23
Bruce_Miller Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 4REALCASH.COM Posts: 783	Hey it's nice to be recognized Thank you Area Girls, and Sleazy for the plugs!! Brooke also hit is right on the head, if you look closely you will see a lot of us in others content, mostly because we all like to party together and of course share our wives After all, we are 4Real, and we won't work with anyone unless they are also 4Real We have seen too many "fake swingers" over the years.