Validus

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Right SpinDoctor Validus...

I can assure you that, the VAST majority of the sweet have left the company in the last 2 years...Do you want me to start naming names?????

I know more than you will ever know little man...


Spin away dood..Spin away

Validus

I am sure you know a lot more about Sweet then myself... I am just a newbie... but... I know they stiff have a very tight group.

|ncogn|to

Right..What's left of them.


Anyway..Don''t you have better tings to do? Like

Look for more stable employment?

orphan reave

I am somewhat familiar with the operation at sweet (not an insider or anything, but have been to their offices a few times)

This does not come as a huge suprise to me considering the amount of percieved violence in their content, something that alot of people here have mentioned

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Well... no way am I reading this whole thread but I gotta say..

Sweet Loads was the original 'Reality' site and I really can't believe they were this stupid with their business.

It's so easy to stay withinthe law and still make money. I read the article but I would really like to hear Steve and Paul's side of this. The article said the evidence was too disgusting to describe but those fuckheads in the media could think a blowjob is disgusting... and as for the girl claiming to be raped... ????

I'd be first in line to cut off some balls if it were true but... that's not enough for me to consider him guilty until the courts do.

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Stable employment?

Stable employment?

quiet

no fucking shit.

very glad i stayed away.

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Paul Markham

The thing is the charge will obscenity and if it is held up all the sites with their content on are in trouble.

A minority of girls come forward with a normal rape charge, how many will come forward if it's on video? There was a guy in London drugging girls and fucking them in front of a video camera. All the girls I knew who had it done to them just wanted to forget about it.

Ant connection to why one of the Sweet brothers is in Amsterdam?

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orphan reave

This is really bad news for the industry as a whole
gives one more reason to the religious right to go after 'pornographers'

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SykkBoy

wow, fuck porn, I'm going to go produce children's television....

I'm sure the Sweets will pull through and win, just sucks they'll probably go broke defending themselves...

I love to see the "I'm too good for porn" people in these threads...fucking hypocrites...fuck off and go produce a documentary on a dung beetle...

I'm going to have to surf around and see what some of 'the Players" are doing with the Sweets' content....I wonder if it will disappear as fast as the bumfights content?

Some days, I wish everyone would get busted, from the guys producing crush videos to the jagoff submitting bikini pics to the hun.......

Does anyone else find it appaling that the catholic church is allowed to keep molesters on board with NO real penalties and a company like SEG is getting raided?...when the fuck are we going to raid The Vatican?


My take is that this model is some crackwhore bitch who wants some more cash to score more drugs or maybe daddy saw her in a porn video and she came up with the ape story...

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prostock

it kils me how somehere are saying i am so glade i stayed away from them

but we do not know all that is going on here , i never meet steve but have talk to him many times and to me is a cool guy , yes if he was doing siht that was over the line yes fuck him but we dont know this do we

and i would agree more to it was some bitch looking for more cash , better yet wanted to work again and he didnt want to use her again

trust me i have went threw this is as well , here in the philippines where a gurl told them she was made to have sex , but what was and is funnny i 99 % shoot solo trannys and yes she was a tranny

this is one reason i dont not shoot alot of femals for that reason , but we proved she was full of shit ,, and she told them how many sets she had made and i showed them that many sets and NOT ONE SET HAD SEX in it !!!!!!!!!!!
so again i say this ,, all shouldnt be on there ass till we all know the whole truth here and i am sure we will never


steve and there programes i am sure have made alot of people some good cash , so why now get on there ass ,, all was happy with them before this


Wish you the best steve and hope all works out

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Brent

the content they want to continue shooting is legal in Amsterdam but illegal in British Columbia.

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the indigo

The guys at Oxcash have solid lawyers and removed some of their first bangbus videos cuz the girls said "no" at some place in the video... so no worries.

orphan reave

religion is hypocricy at its best, as is the catholic church

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quiet

yeah, i change my mind. i wish i was using content from a busted porn company.

duh.

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yeah, i change my mind. i wish i was using content from a busted porn company.

duh.

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Quiet
it is dumm jack ass people like you that say shit that has not a clue if what they say was done was true or not and again , he does make some wild ass shit not the normale kind of person some times does that kind of content , so again how do we know it isnt some crackwhore starting shit ,
and to you that still makes them bad people ,, what a fuck nutt you are ,


i can tell , to you all are guilty no matter what ,
i love to see shit heads like you get there site busted for some shit and then so what you have to say when all trash you and no one knows the truth or all of the sides here

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boneprone

Since the Day I met and talked to thier "fisting" girl in Vancover I knew it was just a matter of time.

I was asking how could they get away with this fisting lessons stuff for so long!

It was cool, but really pushed the limits. I know here in the US no way anyone would try that.


Damn, I wonder what will happen to the Wescoast Webamsters Show next year?

It was one of my favorite shows......

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Damn... I really like THE SE group !!! GOOD GUYS !!!
They rented an office in our building a few months ago!
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lol.

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Hey Validus....

Are you 18 yet? lets see some ID

You look like you're maybe 15 years old.

LadyMischief

Actually, I'm going to poke my nose in here now. I'm no "authority" but we have one member of our company who's SOLE job 24/7 is to research Canadian obscenity laws, precidents, etc etc etc. Believe me, we keep this boy busy. The Sweets broke more laws than most people have underwear in their underwear drawer, and the chickens have come home to roost.

You can portray bondage in images, however, there are strict limitations to what is acceptable as far as bondage is concerned. You can't have BOTH hands tied up (stupid yes, but that's what it boils down to basically). While she is tied up there can be NO PENETRATION, not even a finger. Period. NO portrayals of blood, fake or otherwise. Fisting is DEFINITELY out, urination is a big nono, and degrading people in general is unacceptable. Anal sex is ILLEGAL, PERIOD. TALKING about anal sex in public can get you charged. Even the depiction of ejaculation is illegal, and although not many do, you can get busted just for taking pictures of the pop shots. Hell it's illegal to have an animal in a picture (like a cat wandering through) etc etc.

And I saw somewhere else in the thread that they had women reading aloud on camera what they were going to do... That's all fine and well and good, but that does not make what they were going to do LEGAL in the eyes of the law. If anything, that's MORE damning, because the authorities don't have to prove what they were doing.

Something else, another thing that must be considered, is something very important to contract law, and just about every other kind of law called "duress". Just because those models signed a paper doesn't mean they were willing... if they were pressured in ANY way (even a Hey baby sign the paper will ya?), it will be considered duress (especially if they are trying to take these guys down) and any contracts/releases they signed will be invalidated by the courts. As well, if there were any drugs or alcohol involved, this can also be construed as duress, and will automatically invalidate any paperwork.

As far as what is considered obscenity in a community... You have to look at the definition of "community", and there are several factors that will affect which definition of "community" is used in a legal sense. It really depends on how badly the law wants to take these guys out. Community could be the country, it could be the city, it could be the area of operations, it could be the two block radius around their studio. If some little old lady a block away said what their stuff did was "obscene", Tada, you are offending the local sense of what is right, therefore going contrary to the "community" viewpoint of what is obscene. Doesn't take much to get busted if you aren't careful, and I get the impression these guys weren't the most quiet of neighbours. All it takes is one person making a stink and you can get into trouble. Just because they broadcast porn on cable tv and satelite doesn't mean that a "community" will accept it. I would LOVE to shoot where I live, but I would get completely slammed with obscenity because I live in a small, VERY VERY religious community, who think living with someone you aren't married to is a mortal sin andall who do it should be publically stoned. However, I drive three hours south to Toronto, and I am fine by most community standards.

The law is NOT cut and dried, a LOT is left to the interpretation of the courts, and therein lies the pitfalls. You have to keep your nose pretty squeaky clean and maybe you can get away with a little more... but these guys are likely going to go down very hard, and the reprecussions will be felt in the entire adult industry, not just Canada.

These guys broke FEDERAL laws first, Provincial Laws second. It wouldn't surprise me if this were taken to a federal level to ensure maximum penalties. It's going to be ugly all around, and it's DEFINITELY a bad reflection on the adult entertainment industry as a whole. Just what we all need! Ugh!

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SleazyDream

Ummm, maybe, just maybe after looking at some of the stuff they produce Quiet heard a little voice in the back of his head saying "stay away, shit's gona hit the fan here"

I know I heard it with them when I was looking for someone to produce custom video for me.


soo many fucking idiots want to push the legal limits. And soo many idiots like you think anything goes. Guess what, it doesn't work like that, and I'm glad it doesn't too.

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Kimmykim

Anal is illegal to film in Canada? Wow.

TheGoldenChild

Another Porn Company self -destructs

I have seen this so many times before. I remember the SWEETS when they weren't even on the web yet.

What a difference hunger made back back then. Before the Sweetloads and SEG group they made great porn (Sweetloads)

You don't have to be a genius to see that even the BJ line of stuff they did was a little controversial.

Now what I am really interested in seeing is if LIGHTSPEED STEVE wil have any issues with the SWEETS in Vegas....I mean isn't this the same thing that happened to Max Hardcore?

You cannot blame the SWEETS for the magnifying glass that has been put on them- instead all of you should point fingers at yourselves for purchasing and showing it on your websites when you knew it was GREY AREA material.

Yuo can't blame members for wanting to see specific stuff and yes each person is entitled to see whatever they want or whatever floats their boat, however

I think it's painfully obvious that degradation to women will get you in trouble....

I heard they had been warned several times and in fact was the reason so many have defected from their offices. Whatever happened to Tom Sweet? Ray Sweet , and Dick Sweet?

They were the founding Sweet's- why aren't they there?

I have no problems with the Sweet's , they don't affect my biz either way...but while I can see where people are pointing fingers at them.....they need to pointing the same fingers at themselves....

and taking links down to obscene material...because NO DOUBT the Canadian FEDS are looking into who is buying their feeds, who is watching the feeds, who is buying their content, and who pays a lot of money for this stuff.

Sounds like the end of the story here for the Sweet's which is too bad..but between legal costs and the atrophy of people getting scared to have their stuff up on their sites...

I will have to wager they can't be around more than two more mos before it is all over.

That is in my opinion..........

|ncogn|to

My bet was 6 months for them to reopen under yet another name. Any takers?

[illnet]-Romeo

The Sweets are All cool peeps in my book Steve, Tom, Jamie and the rest. I wish you guys the best off luck in these times and hope to see you at the Vegas Show!

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There is no "rest"
"Tom" is gone, "reyrey" is gone, leaving "steve", "jamie", "thor", mike and giselle to go down with the ship.
Whoever didn't see this coming, is blind.

kmanrox

all i can say if you're gonna live on the edge....


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I say if you are going to live in the edge like Kman, just jump from job to job every couple months. It makes it hard for the feds to track you! Isn't that your plan kman?

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Yeah what you said really is.

Most porn sites go against local community standards.


I have never met you, nor have I went anywhere with you.

Sorry guy.

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My only issue with Max Hardcore is that he came to the parties drunk on his ass, and made all the women so uncomfortable they asked me to make him leave. He seemed to tone himself down at the last Cybernet, so their weren't any problems.

I've seen Steve Sweet at several shows, he is a very likeable guy.

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I agree, that show was great! The Sweets did a great show last year. Hope they will pull through.

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FROM: Sweet Legal Department

Sweet Entertainment Group
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Date: December 10, 2002

PRESS RELEASE: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Mr. Steve Sweet, President of Sweet Entertainment Group (SEG), and 3 other principals of the Corporation were charged on December 6, 2002 with 6 counts of obscenity based on 3 specific videos from the SadoSlaves.com Library.

SEG has not been charged with any criminal offense. Mr. Sweet has not been detained in this matter.

The Crown has alleged that Lexa Lords, Naughty Nikki and Mistress Twilight sadoslaves.com video episodes are obscene pursuant to s. 163 of the Criminal Code of Canada. Three counts allege that the accused "did make, distribute and circulate an obscene video" and three counts allege "did have in their possession for the purpose of publication, distribution and circulation, an obscene video."

It appears that the Crown is concentrating its efforts on the BDSM subculture by alleging that the material in question combines explicit sex with violence or torture or that the material is degrading and dehumanizing. The Crown has not to date provided particulars of what segment of the videos it regards as being obscene.

The charges stem from Vancouver Police Department raids on the premises of Sweet Entertainment Group that occurred on March 13, 2002 and second raid that occurred November 7, 2002.

A number of pre-charge applications and motions to Court have already been successfully brought by SEG resulting in Orders from both the Supreme Court of British Columbia and the Provincial Court of British Columbia for the return of SEG property.

The most recent decision from the Supreme Court of Canada regarding obscenity is a 1992 decision Regina v. Butler. Much has changed in the past 10 years, with the explosion of the Internet, the commercial availability of BDSM type content and the shift of community standards this past decade. Mr. Sweet has indicated that SEG will vigorously defend the charges. The case is far from trial and many matters remain to be dealt with. Of course, should the matter reach trial constitutional arguments regarding Freedom of Speech under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms will be at the forefront of what will likely prove to be a precedent setting case.

The maximum penalty under Canadian law for this offence is 2 years. A conviction generally results in a fine.

SEG will continue to provide cutting edge content to its many customers and carry on its operations as it rises to meet this legal challenge.


P. G. Kent-Snowsell, B.A. , LL.B.
Head of Legal Affairs
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Kimmykim

More than one Fletch, Fletch

Fletch XXX

Ah well, im the only Fletch (here)

hehehe

And said the way he said it, I want noooo confusion between it.

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Different Fletch - notice the absence of "XXX" Fletch and Todd (Sextoyking) have been partners for several years.

pornjudge

Yepp, I am sure they will pull through but like you said, they will go broke defending themselves.... Its ALL ABOUT MONEY & Fuckin lawyers

Fletch XXX

Its really no big deal guys.

Just saying many people here dont use the 'XXX' just call me Fletch, easy mistake.

No worries.

Its not my real name, nor am I named 'Fletcher' or wherever you would get the name Fletch from.

hehehe

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We just wanted to make sure you didn't spend the rest of the day worried that you'd had a little too much to drink and hung out with 2 guys in a sex studio in Canada. Especially when one owns a sex toy company

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hehehe

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It seems "cool guys" can get in trouble sometimes!

WTF does the Sweets being "cool guys" have to do with anything?

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From seeing things happen in the porn industry over the years, I'd say when it starts to drizzle there is usually a rain storm getting near.

I would highly recommend to any webmaster who looks at what they publish on their sites and has any doubt in their mind about whether particular content is over the edge and pushing the limits or not, to do yourself a big favor and tone it down. You'll sleep a lot better at night, and if taking it off your site costs you a few signups that certainly is better than shelling out tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees should the worst case scenario ever happen to you.

Porn has always been a risky business. Even Hef was arrested once on obscenity charges and that's incredible considering the total and complete softcore porn Playboy publishes.

Its all about visibility also. The bigger you are in the market, the greater the likelihood that one day there will be a knock on your door if you are displaying extremely past the limits hardcore content.

Most guys who get indicted get off fairly light in terms of doing any serious time, and the majority just take it up the ass in legal fees, and court fines, and having their business decimated after the raid when they get all their computers seized. So usually even the worst case isn't totally the end of your career. But its simply crazy to hang your ass out on the limb everyday when you don't have to. There is plenty of money to be made on the safe side of the fence so why chance it.

Just my two cents on this situation.

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i said this before on an unrelated thing..

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Anyone who knows Steve Sweet should know that he is about as smart as they come, he has a kick ass legal team and I doubt that he is very worried. Obscenity is one of the hardest things yo be found guilty of in court.

Max Hardcore just got off an obscenity charge here in Los Angeles about 2 months ago. It was 2 years in the making, and they could not prove there case. It was let go due to a hung jury.

This does nothing but brings a lot of publicity to the Sweets, and i'm sure they will keep on going like nothing ever happened.


As far as the Max Hardcore rape case, that was a couple years ago, some whore which was shot a few times before claimed she was raped, the police got involved but, nothing ever came out of it and the charges were dropped. The funny thing about that is the whore actually came back a few months later and shot 2 more scenes with Max. Just goes to show ya most chicks in the biz have mental issues and at the end of the day it's about the $$$. But, I can say there are a lot of smart women in the industry as well. So who knows.

TheGoldenChild

"It seems "cool guys" can get in trouble sometimes!

WTF does the Sweets being "cool guys" have to do with anything?"

Man I knew I'd find a REAL business man in this thread somewhere who gets it!

I cannot tell you how many times I have heard webmasters say to ME- Oh that guy ain't so bad I drank with him at the show"

Or" I love that guy he is a maniac we party together all the time"

PEOPLE WAKE UP.

I knew plenty of NICE people who worked alongside me at AT&T and other various jobs I had who were pedofiles, alcholics, and drug users, not to mention not nice people...

Were they fun to be around? Of course, because we had NO IDEA they were hiding this kind of stuff....

What is there to hide when your biz in online or on video? NOTHING.

It's such an oxymoron..."a nice guy that shoots BDSM"

Does anyone really believe that you'll find the next bukkakke film director in a Rabbinical school?

if you are into whacky and abusive stuff...most likely your behaviour is whacky and abusive as well...

Can we safely ask that question in Steve Sweet's case?

What's the answer?

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And all you guys who have wine or drugs present at your shoots, or who would have a girl who is obviously under the influence sign a release? you can kiss your release good-bye. This is in the US and probably Canada and many other places as well. .

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