Just curious: Why are the "sleeping" sites different than the "rape" sites? - GoFuckYourself.com

DWB · 01-02-2009, 08:30 AM

They are both fantasy but if you are drugging them or fucking them while they are sleeping against their will, that is RAPE in any state or country.

I don't have an agenda here, I like them both, just curious what the difference was.

pixovore · 01-02-2009, 08:43 AM

sleeping means: by surprise wile as she was sleeping

rape means: she gets raped wile she s not sleeping, she is aware of what happens to her + doesnt want it.

CaptainHowdy · 01-02-2009, 08:44 AM

It's a great point, DWB!

The sleeping sites have a "consentual vibe". It's different (from the standpoint of a women) to fantasize/dream about getting "raped" (The "sleeping site" scenes tend to look like dreams or girls pretending to be asleep in the presence of a man/partner) than actually getting raped (or actually admit she would like to get raped/coerced).

Oracle Porn · 01-02-2009, 08:44 AM

i love assaulting my gf while she sleeps....

brassmonkey · 01-02-2009, 08:46 AM

if she doesnt wake up then you dont know what your doing

CIVMatt · 01-02-2009, 08:46 AM

The rules to begin with are so blurred and vague I wouldn't even know how to come up with an answer... happy new year dwb

V_RocKs · 01-02-2009, 09:03 AM

Because.... I'd hit it,2x's while sleeping.

seeandsee · 01-02-2009, 09:04 AM

laws laws laws

DWB · 01-02-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pixovore

sleeping means: by surprise wile as she was sleeping

rape means: she gets raped wile she s not sleeping, she is aware of what happens to her + doesnt want it.

You could say, in terms of the fantasy, that while she was getting raped she started to like it. The same as she is sleeping, she gets fucked, wakes up and ends up enjoying it. You can also break into someones house and start to rape someone while they are sleeping.

I don't see a difference between the two.

If you penetrate someone be it against their will or while they are sleeping, it's the same regardless of what the outcome of her enjoyment may or may not be.

I just don't see where and why the lines are drawn here. Again, I like them both, just something I was thinking about.

SteveHardeman · 01-02-2009, 09:12 AM

I don't think it's exactly THE SAME but I see your point.

webmasterchecks · 01-02-2009, 09:13 AM

the content can be the same, but its how its presented in the text. if its clear that she is aware/consenting, then its not rape. however, if its a guy walking down the street and sees a sleeping girl through her bedroom window and has sex with her, that is rape.

EscortBiz · 01-02-2009, 09:15 AM

all about how its presented, I was pretty much the first in that niche with a real site and have the most content in that niche and the site seriously converts every type of traffic, if you look at my site and its mostly lesbo youll see its far from rape www.sleepingtushy.com

IllTestYourGirls · 01-02-2009, 09:29 AM

I had a gf that would tell me to fuck her after she falls asleep. She loved waking up getting her pussy fucked.

Barefootsies · 01-02-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

all about how its presented

tony286 · 01-02-2009, 09:36 AM

one is softer not as aggressive.

kowalsky · 01-02-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

one is softer not as aggressive.

Yeap, that´s the point. It´s very important difference the fact that in rape scenes there is a fight of wills, it´s aggresive, it´s forcing. With spleeping girls don´t happen that, it´s all passive actitude.

SykkBoy · 01-02-2009, 10:45 AM

for the most part the "sleeping girl" niche is more of a voyeur niche, but somewhere along the lines it went from being about an innocent girl sleeping with a few body parts sticking out and maybe a removal of covers...but it became more about this type of site with sleep molestation.

brassmonkey · 01-02-2009, 10:49 AM

i think it depends on if u have permission to hit it anytime or if its somebody drunk and passed out

SmokeyTheBear · 01-02-2009, 10:52 AM

TisMe · 01-02-2009, 10:56 AM

The distiction is fine and complete BS, but I think its based on the absence of violence/pain/obvious force in the sleeping stuff.

I know BDSM usually stays away from showing insertion, the mix of pain plus hardcore sex has long been a no-no.

Marcus Aurelius · 01-02-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Do it wrong and it turns into murder. Careful smokey, don't OD the ladies.

Yo Adrian · 01-02-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

You could say, in terms of the fantasy, that while she was getting raped she started to like it. The same as she is sleeping, she gets fucked, wakes up and ends up enjoying it. You can also break into someones house and start to rape someone while they are sleeping.

I don't see a difference between the two.

If you penetrate someone be it against their will or while they are sleeping, it's the same regardless of what the outcome of her enjoyment may or may not be.

I just don't see where and why the lines are drawn here. Again, I like them both, just something I was thinking about.

Great post. As a program that runs 2 sleeping sites I can say the difference is how the content is presented. Our flagship sleeping site, Night Invasion, is all based on consensual sex. The storyline of the site as well as every episode description specifially describes how the girls like to pretend they're asleep, as a fantasy. We actually have had quite a few members complain about this because they want to think it's real, but our sites focus on the sleeping fantasy fetish rather than forced sex.

Odin · 01-02-2009, 11:00 AM

It isn't illegal everywhere to fuck a girl while sleeping. In Australia I believe it is legal providing there is previous consent for you to do such. It's like if your gf says to you sober you can fuck me if I pass out, and than you do it later that night when does that - it isn't rape. Rape by it's definition is having sex with a girl without her consent.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-02-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MDCQ

Do it wrong and it turns into murder. Careful smokey, don't OD the ladies.

lol it was a joke , i like my women awake and willing

InternetIsForPorn · 01-02-2009, 11:24 AM

hmmm haven't seen sleeping tranny websites

.. a new niche??/

fuzebox · 01-02-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Yo Adrian

The storyline of the site as well as every episode description specifially describes how the girls like to pretend they're asleep, as a fantasy. We actually have had quite a few members complain about this because they want to think it's real, but our sites focus on the sleeping fantasy fetish rather than forced sex.

germ · 01-02-2009, 02:14 PM

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JustDaveXxx · 01-02-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pixovore

sleeping means: by surprise wile as she was sleeping

rape means: she gets raped wile she s not sleeping, she is aware of what happens to her + doesnt want it.

That defense didn't work for Jack Venice...

Bama · 01-02-2009, 02:48 PM

Hell, getting a head start when the wife's asleep is how guys married 10+ years have any sex life at all!

She wakes up horny and not focused on kids/cleaning/errands/groceries/cooking on her brain

Either that, or you get an elbow in the ribs!

CaptainHowdy · 01-02-2009, 03:09 PM

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mynameisjim · 01-02-2009, 06:05 PM

I don't think it has to do with how it's presented.

One of the more well know sleeping sites had one of their movies on the tube sites. Basically a girl calls home to her mom, then falls asleep in her new apartment. Next you see a guy peeking in the window, dressed in all black like a burglar. Then he crawls through the window and has sex with her.

That doesn't see to be presented as consensual.

Either way, I have no problem with the sleeping sites as it's just harmless fantasy and sometimes the videos are even funny. But I see the point DWB made that the movie I described above is the exact same thing as rape.

EscortBiz · 01-02-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I don't think it has to do with how it's presented.

One of the more well know sleeping sites had one of their movies on the tube sites. Basically a girl calls home to her mom, then falls asleep in her new apartment. Next you see a guy peeking in the window, dressed in all black like a burglar. Then he crawls through the window and has sex with her.

That doesn't see to be presented as consensual.

Either way, I have no problem with the sleeping sites as it's just harmless fantasy and sometimes the videos are even funny. But I see the point DWB made that the movie I described above is the exact same thing as rape.

thats one movie you found of some site most do not play the stuff like that

lesbian sleeping sites work

brassmonkey · 01-02-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by InternetIsForPorn

hmmm haven't seen sleeping tranny websites

.. a new niche??/

wont be no tranny at my crib

brassmonkey · 01-02-2009, 06:15 PM

keep dem threads comin Notorious D.W.B.

skrinkladoo · 01-02-2009, 06:20 PM

My guess is its that soft versus violent theme.

Sleeping girls don't generally suck you off - but most of these sleeping chicks girls do.

Rape - like gun held to her head, crying, bloody shit - i dont know ... ppl like that shit, that alone creeps me out.

SomeCreep · 01-02-2009, 07:04 PM

Don't rock the boat.

Robocrop · 11-11-2009, 01:00 AM

Yea good point, do anyone run any fantasy rape sites?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 11-11-2009, 01:28 AM

I just wanna know if it's okay to do a scene where the chick consents when the sex starts, but then falls asleep during the action?

Not that I have ever experienced/shot that (twice)...

ADG

shimmy2 · 11-11-2009, 01:55 AM

ADG she's clearly canadian. By the way dont most romance novels play on the whole sleep/dream affair... its female fantasy in most respects and sounds like a double standard to me. i have a sleeping video of ruby knox i'm using for a tour right now and its smokin hot

After Shock Media · 11-11-2009, 02:00 AM

I have said this before and argued what DWB posted.

To me it comes down to the following:
No consent = rape, No ability to give consent = No consent.

Also remove consent at anytime = rape.
Wife/husband/bf/gf/ do not have 24/7 consent.
Drunk/drugged people can not legally give consent.

JD · 11-11-2009, 02:42 AM

all depends on the context

sex69 · 11-11-2009, 03:05 AM

Depends on the way it is presented and on the context

Farang · 11-11-2009, 03:48 AM

nice sig lol

Dirty Dane · 11-11-2009, 04:23 AM

Well, if they signed a contract, and acting, how can that be rape.. and without consent? ... or if you beat stuntmen in a movie production, are any law enforcement going to arrest you for violence?

After Shock Media · 11-11-2009, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Well, if they signed a contract, and acting, how can that be rape.. and without consent? ... or if you beat stuntmen in a movie production, are any law enforcement going to arrest you for violence?

No cause you would have consent in both.
Though the stunt man is legally more protected.

LoveSandra · 11-11-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

if she doesnt wake up then you dont know what your doing

Dirty Dane · 11-11-2009, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Though the stunt man is legally more protected.

Yeah a fist in the face is much better than a fist in the pussy... in most religious countries

Pleasurepays · 11-11-2009, 05:17 AM

what dumb remarks.

simple fact... if there is no consent. its rape. if a girl is sleeping, she can't consent to the act.

its not any more complicated than that.

you can't make the legal argument that she consented beforehand - there has to be consent at the moment of the act.

its depressing to think about how retarded so many people in this business are.

Dirty Dane · 11-11-2009, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

what dumb remarks.

simple fact... if there is no consent. its rape. if a girl is sleeping, she can't consent to the act.

its not any more complicated than that.

you can't make the legal argument that she consented beforehand - there has to be consent at the moment of the act.

its depressing to think about how retarded so many people in this business are.

I think we are talking about sites. Fiction. Acting. So yes, its more complicated.

CaptainHowdy · 11-11-2009, 06:09 AM

Great bump and signature LOL...

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Just curious: Why are the "sleeping" sites different than the "rape" sites? They are both fantasy but if you are drugging them or fucking them while they are sleeping against their will, that is RAPE in any state or country. I don't have an agenda here, I like them both, just curious what the difference was.

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mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	I don't think it has to do with how it's presented. One of the more well know sleeping sites had one of their movies on the tube sites. Basically a girl calls home to her mom, then falls asleep in her new apartment. Next you see a guy peeking in the window, dressed in all black like a burglar. Then he crawls through the window and has sex with her. That doesn't see to be presented as consensual. Either way, I have no problem with the sleeping sites as it's just harmless fantasy and sometimes the videos are even funny. But I see the point DWB made that the movie I described above is the exact same thing as rape. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

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Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	what dumb remarks. simple fact... if there is no consent. its rape. if a girl is sleeping, she can't consent to the act. its not any more complicated than that. you can't make the legal argument that she consented beforehand - there has to be consent at the moment of the act. its depressing to think about how retarded so many people in this business are. Last edited by Pleasurepays; 11-11-2009 at 05:19 AM..

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