Business Question / Discussion - GoFuckYourself.com

will76 · 12-09-2009, 11:12 PM

I'll try to give the short version of the long story....

I have a bunch of domains that have been sitting around for years that I have been trying to get to. So I put my programmer to work on setting up something that I could slap on these sites, that would run itself and start getting them at least listed in the SE's if nothing else.

What started off as a "landing page" type project ended up into a full blown site. I have what I think is a pretty kick ass turnkey type site built for an idiot like me to setup and run which means everything is controlled through an admin webpage. I don't edit html or code, no cms for me to play with etc etc...

My goal is to build out at least 1 site around each niche as I have tons of niche based urls. Buy some hard links for my sites, maybe do a few trades, populate/set up the site then put it on autopilot and if it makes 1 sale a week or a month... cool. I'll have about 100+ of them out there so it should add up collectively.

Question... Should I also sell a license to the software or just use it for myself? Is there a market for a site like this? My programmer worked on it full time for about a month so it's not some hack $20, couple hours of work programming job. To build out the site with content and get it ready for auto pilot it would take someone about 3-6 hours depending on how much you added to it. I am paying someone to fill out mine.

License it or no? If yes should I just sell the code and let the new owner be responsible for updating it, bug fixes, or I support it? Or for noobs, should I even host it for them and charge them a monthly fee for the site programming and hosting ?

Anything out there like this now?

Your Thoughts ???

If you curious to see it ICQ me.

synapse · 12-10-2009, 12:52 AM

Will my other company has over 4000 domains and I'm sick of all the parking solutions available atm. I've always believed in the potential for 'capital growth' (per real estate) rather then just simple landing search pages ... so yer I'd love to hear more about u'r solution ?

CYF · 12-10-2009, 01:40 AM

My buddy creates blogs that pull from feeds, he can put a blog up on a site in about 10 minutes. Your solution sounds a little better than that, I'd love to hear more about it.

Zester · 12-10-2009, 05:48 AM

can we hear a little more about how this script works ? thanks

will76 · 12-10-2009, 01:01 PM

Leave your email here if it is not in your sig and I will send you some info via email. I will be in and out of the office today but when I get settled later I will take some screen shots and write up a little info about the system.

Ultimately I need to figure out what to do with it, if anything with the public. I don't want to get into a situation where it is costing me money to provide this service. I would need to find a fair price where I could make a decent profit but it still be affordable for people to use. I could also do an option of selling the code if the person has their own programmer and let them support it with updates and what not. I'm willing to do that part just want to make sure it would be worth my time (decent profit).

Those of you who are interested perhaps you can give me your thoughts, once I get the information to you.

Thanks
Will

JenniDahling · 12-10-2009, 03:46 PM

Would love to hear more about this. About a year and a half ago, my team and I had developed a program that categorizes domains by the type of niche they should be in, then using affiliate programs with no traffic leaks or outside exits, "valets" the domain to earn based on PPS w/recurring payouts. We then would split the revenue with the domain owner.

We've tested it on a portfolio of mixed quality (a lot of the sites were odd but ok for SE's) and although it earned money weekly, the traffic was a lot of typein Asian traffic that most sites haven't been able to monetize, so it was hard to convert majority of it, making continuing the project cost prohibited. Now with more sites using alternative billing, that portfolio may have performed better.

Our system would be great to use for anyone with a ton of domains, but the hours it takes to sign up for the programs, categorize them, and write original descriptions on would definitely be a full time thing so I feel your pain.

Purrrhaps we can see if there is synergy with combining the scripts. My developer and author of the software is up North in Jacksonville, FL. I would love to put you guys together, it may be time to take it down from the shelf, dust it off and get it running again. We've had a couple domain owners hit us up recently but even when combined, the number of quality urls in the portfolios weren't big enough to put man hours into it to get it going.

will76 · 12-10-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenniDahling

Would love to hear more about this. About a year and a half ago, my team and I had developed a program that categorizes domains by the type of niche they should be in, then using affiliate programs with no traffic leaks or outside exits, "valets" the domain to earn based on PPS w/recurring payouts. We then would split the revenue with the domain owner.

We've tested it on a portfolio of mixed quality (a lot of the sites were odd but ok for SE's) and although it earned money weekly, the traffic was a lot of typein Asian traffic that most sites haven't been able to monetize, so it was hard to convert majority of it, making continuing the project cost prohibited. Now with more sites using alternative billing, that portfolio may have performed better.

Our system would be great to use for anyone with a ton of domains, but the hours it takes to sign up for the programs, categorize them, and write original descriptions on would definitely be a full time thing so I feel your pain.

Purrrhaps we can see if there is synergy with combining the scripts. My developer and author of the software is up North in Jacksonville, FL. I would love to put you guys together, it may be time to take it down from the shelf, dust it off and get it running again. We've had a couple domain owners hit us up recently but even when combined, the number of quality urls in the portfolios weren't big enough to put man hours into it to get it going.

My project started off as something that would take me about 10 minutes per a domain to setup. Now that I am finished with the features it probably takes more like 2-4 hours to fill out a domain. I tend to over complicate stuff, but the more features the cooler it ended up being.

I wouldn't do the work on each site myself since I have a lot of domains I want to set this up for. I have data entry people who can copy and paste and do a little thinking for like $6 an hour. SO if you have 1000s of domains this might not be what you looking for. It is a lot more than a landing page, it's a full blown site. The cool part is once it is built out it will run itself and update itself with little to no work on your end.

I geared these sites towards getting traffic from the SE's but also to make them viable sites that you can do link trades with people and/or send your own traffic to it.

Can I ask, how did you plan on marketing or selling the script? Selling a lifetime license, selling the code and letting them support it and make changes to it, or the noob approach where all they do is buy a domain and you host the site, setup it all up etc... and charge them a monthly fee. I just don't know what to do with this and if I do anything with it I want to make sure it isn't costing more than I am making.

I'll have some screen shots of the admin and over view up later tonight if anyone wants to check it out, just let me know and leave your email.

BradM · 12-10-2009, 04:28 PM

over 9000

Varius · 12-10-2009, 04:50 PM

I would first use it myself and see the results within a few months. If it works as you hope (or better!) then I would just keep registering / buying domains to add it to. If it's mostly automated, then scaling it shouldn't be an issue.

Basically, if you have something automated that can generate 1 sale per month per domain, or even every few months, AND it can keep that result for hundreds or thousands of domains then you should have no need to do anything else with it.

Basically, it will come down to do you want the recognition of having a product out there to help other people make easy money, as long as it doesn't hurt your own pocket? If you do and believe the hassle is worth it then, by all means go ahead. If you could care less, enjoy your free time instead

Of course, if it fails for your own tests, then it's a useless service and you shouldn't consider selling it as a service until it's been properly tweaked to be successful.

JenniDahling · 12-10-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

My project started off as something that would take me about 10 minutes per a domain to setup. Now that I am finished with the features it probably takes more like 2-4 hours to fill out a domain. I tend to over complicate stuff, but the more features the cooler it ended up being.

I wouldn't do the work on each site myself since I have a lot of domains I want to set this up for. I have data entry people who can copy and paste and do a little thinking for like $6 an hour. SO if you have 1000s of domains this might not be what you looking for. It is a lot more than a landing page, it's a full blown site. The cool part is once it is built out it will run itself and update itself with little to no work on your end.

I geared these sites towards getting traffic from the SE's but also to make them viable sites that you can do link trades with people and/or send your own traffic to it.

Can I ask, how did you plan on marketing or selling the script? Selling a lifetime license, selling the code and letting them support it and make changes to it, or the noob approach where all they do is buy a domain and you host the site, setup it all up etc... and charge them a monthly fee. I just don't know what to do with this and if I do anything with it I want to make sure it isn't costing more than I am making.

I'll have some screen shots of the admin and over view up later tonight if anyone wants to check it out, just let me know and leave your email.

The project had come to me already in development with investors who had helped get it off the ground and write the initial descriptions for each site, but at the end 2 of the 4 investors walked away from it, disputing that it would do better in the mainstream market.

Technically its portal based, with each category (teen, blowjobs, gay, etc) having a handful of sponsors per category. We had discussed a copy and paste method but felt that google would frown on exact text being on several domains. (perhaps we're the ones over-complicating things. lol) So each domain portfolio would require someone signing up to the programs and writing new descriptions.

We looked into selling it to a domain registrar but got the run around from the few companies we approached (got the YES we are very interested in this, then nothing). While licensing is still an option, we would have to have one person dedicated to doing all the work and that would have to be based on a portfolio that can perform well to offset the costs.

Maybe you should contact Roger V. His sites GetRichinPorn and BankofAdult sound like they might be along the lines of what you have.

will76 · 12-10-2009, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius

I would first use it myself and see the results within a few months. If it works as you hope (or better!) then I would just keep registering / buying domains to add it to. If it's mostly automated, then scaling it shouldn't be an issue.

Basically, if you have something automated that can generate 1 sale per month per domain, or even every few months, AND it can keep that result for hundreds or thousands of domains then you should have no need to do anything else with it.

Basically, it will come down to do you want the recognition of having a product out there to help other people make easy money, as long as it doesn't hurt your own pocket? If you do and believe the hassle is worth it then, by all means go ahead. If you could care less, enjoy your free time instead

Of course, if it fails for your own tests, then it's a useless service and you shouldn't consider selling it as a service until it's been properly tweaked to be successful.

Very true and good points. I guess what I need to decide is if I want to try to get a positive cash flow sooner than later by doing something to sell/license it now or if I want to want a couple months building out all of my sites and waiting for them to get listed and generating traffic, and then realize the cash flow from it by having it start to trickle in.

I don't mind sharing as there are hundreds of niches and thousands of sites out there that this can be used for, so i am not worried about saturation/competition. But you are right in the end it would probably be a lot easier to only deal with myself instead of several people. I guess it comes down to how much I can get for it and what do I have to do after I give it to them. I wouldn't mind selling a bunch of licenses if it was a nice little chuck of money I could put in my pocket.

It also has potential to make more than 1 sale a month if someone actually worked the site, sent traffic to it, went out there and hussled trades, etc... I'm basing the the 1 sale per month goal from previous testing I've done by doing very little work other than just throwing it out there. Which is mainly what I want to do for the bulk of my vacant domains.

Thanks for your feedback.

will76 · 12-10-2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenniDahling

The project had come to me already in development with investors who had helped get it off the ground and write the initial descriptions for each site, but at the end 2 of the 4 investors walked away from it, disputing that it would do better in the mainstream market.

Technically its portal based, with each category (teen, blowjobs, gay, etc) having a handful of sponsors per category. We had discussed a copy and paste method but felt that google would frown on exact text being on several domains. (perhaps we're the ones over-complicating things. lol) So each domain portfolio would require someone signing up to the programs and writing new descriptions.

We looked into selling it to a domain registrar but got the run around from the few companies we approached (got the YES we are very interested in this, then nothing). While licensing is still an option, we would have to have one person dedicated to doing all the work and that would have to be based on a portfolio that can perform well to offset the costs.

Maybe you should contact Roger V. His sites GetRichinPorn and BankofAdult sound like they might be along the lines of what you have.

writing my own descriptions would be way too much work for what i wanted to take on. I am working on ways to still use the sponsors provided content by mixing it up a bit to help with the "duplicate content" issues. Of course everything I get from each sponsor I use to promote their site.

The best way to describe what I have is like a directory or hub built around a specific niche. Where you can go to find pictures,videos, models, cams, porn sites, blogs, etc... for a specific niche.

I looked at Roger's program, it looks like his stuff is more of have your own membership site type thing where mine would be for an affiliate to promote lots of other sites. I also was never one to try to sell people on the "hype" of income potential. " It's very easy to make $1,000 to $10,000 a month or more with our 100% turnkey porn website solution...." Is something you would never hear me say.

I don't know many noobs who make an easy 10K a month.

CYF · 12-10-2009, 06:35 PM

if you're still giving info, my email is in my sig.

thanks

ArsewithClass · 12-10-2009, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius

I would first use it myself and see the results within a few months. If it works as you hope (or better!) then I would just keep registering / buying domains to add it to. If it's mostly automated, then scaling it shouldn't be an issue.

Of course, if it fails for your own tests, then it's a useless service and you shouldn't consider selling it as a service until it's been properly tweaked to be successful.

I was going to suggest the same idea.

Get something working first. Look after your business, your sites & your links. Once this is astablished, you have a means to sell your script and continue into the hosting and more!

Walk, run, fly then soar!

will76 · 12-10-2009, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

I was going to suggest the same idea.

Get something working first. Look after your business, your sites & your links. Once this is astablished, you have a means to sell your script and continue into the hosting and more!

Walk, run, fly then soar!

Yeah you right... its always fun when you finish a project and look at the different ways you can monitize it as well as provide it as a service to others.

james_clickmemedia · 12-11-2009, 05:16 AM

sounds interesting...

12-11-2009, 06:48 AM

Sounds cool, Will. And, depending on how you structure the licensing option, it could be monthly income for many years to come. Knowing that you 'know your shit,' it should be as simple to use and effective as you say it is.

12-09-2009, 11:12 PM	#1
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Business Question / Discussion I'll try to give the short version of the long story.... I have a bunch of domains that have been sitting around for years that I have been trying to get to. So I put my programmer to work on setting up something that I could slap on these sites, that would run itself and start getting them at least listed in the SE's if nothing else. What started off as a "landing page" type project ended up into a full blown site. I have what I think is a pretty kick ass turnkey type site built for an idiot like me to setup and run which means everything is controlled through an admin webpage. I don't edit html or code, no cms for me to play with etc etc... My goal is to build out at least 1 site around each niche as I have tons of niche based urls. Buy some hard links for my sites, maybe do a few trades, populate/set up the site then put it on autopilot and if it makes 1 sale a week or a month... cool. I'll have about 100+ of them out there so it should add up collectively. Question... Should I also sell a license to the software or just use it for myself? Is there a market for a site like this? My programmer worked on it full time for about a month so it's not some hack $20, couple hours of work programming job. To build out the site with content and get it ready for auto pilot it would take someone about 3-6 hours depending on how much you added to it. I am paying someone to fill out mine. License it or no? If yes should I just sell the code and let the new owner be responsible for updating it, bug fixes, or I support it? Or for noobs, should I even host it for them and charge them a monthly fee for the site programming and hosting ? Anything out there like this now? Your Thoughts ??? If you curious to see it ICQ me. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue Last edited by will76; 12-09-2009 at 11:13 PM..

12-10-2009, 01:40 AM	#3
CYF Coupon Guru Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 10,973	My buddy creates blogs that pull from feeds, he can put a blog up on a site in about 10 minutes. Your solution sounds a little better than that, I'd love to hear more about it. __________________ Webmaster Coupons Coupons and discounts for hosting, domains, SSL Certs, and more! AmeriNOC Coupons \| Certified Hosting Coupons \| Hosting Coupons \| Domain Name Coupons

12-10-2009, 05:48 AM	#4
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12-10-2009, 01:01 PM	#5
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Leave your email here if it is not in your sig and I will send you some info via email. I will be in and out of the office today but when I get settled later I will take some screen shots and write up a little info about the system. Ultimately I need to figure out what to do with it, if anything with the public. I don't want to get into a situation where it is costing me money to provide this service. I would need to find a fair price where I could make a decent profit but it still be affordable for people to use. I could also do an option of selling the code if the person has their own programmer and let them support it with updates and what not. I'm willing to do that part just want to make sure it would be worth my time (decent profit). Those of you who are interested perhaps you can give me your thoughts, once I get the information to you. Thanks Will __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

12-10-2009, 03:46 PM	#6
JenniDahling Market Penetration Specialist Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Out of my Suitcases Posts: 5,285	Would love to hear more about this. About a year and a half ago, my team and I had developed a program that categorizes domains by the type of niche they should be in, then using affiliate programs with no traffic leaks or outside exits, "valets" the domain to earn based on PPS w/recurring payouts. We then would split the revenue with the domain owner. We've tested it on a portfolio of mixed quality (a lot of the sites were odd but ok for SE's) and although it earned money weekly, the traffic was a lot of typein Asian traffic that most sites haven't been able to monetize, so it was hard to convert majority of it, making continuing the project cost prohibited. Now with more sites using alternative billing, that portfolio may have performed better. Our system would be great to use for anyone with a ton of domains, but the hours it takes to sign up for the programs, categorize them, and write original descriptions on would definitely be a full time thing so I feel your pain. Purrrhaps we can see if there is synergy with combining the scripts. My developer and author of the software is up North in Jacksonville, FL. I would love to put you guys together, it may be time to take it down from the shelf, dust it off and get it running again. We've had a couple domain owners hit us up recently but even when combined, the number of quality urls in the portfolios weren't big enough to put man hours into it to get it going. __________________ cLick my kitty, you know you want to jenni {at} prkitty.com Meet me at The Island Gathering

12-10-2009, 12:52 AM	#2
synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	Will my other company has over 4000 domains and I'm sick of all the parking solutions available atm. I've always believed in the potential for 'capital growth' (per real estate) rather then just simple landing search pages ... so yer I'd love to hear more about u'r solution ?

12-10-2009, 04:28 PM	#8
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	over 9000

12-10-2009, 04:50 PM	#9
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	I would first use it myself and see the results within a few months. If it works as you hope (or better!) then I would just keep registering / buying domains to add it to. If it's mostly automated, then scaling it shouldn't be an issue. Basically, if you have something automated that can generate 1 sale per month per domain, or even every few months, AND it can keep that result for hundreds or thousands of domains then you should have no need to do anything else with it. Basically, it will come down to do you want the recognition of having a product out there to help other people make easy money, as long as it doesn't hurt your own pocket? If you do and believe the hassle is worth it then, by all means go ahead. If you could care less, enjoy your free time instead Of course, if it fails for your own tests, then it's a useless service and you shouldn't consider selling it as a service until it's been properly tweaked to be successful. __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

12-10-2009, 06:35 PM	#13
CYF Coupon Guru Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 10,973	if you're still giving info, my email is in my sig. thanks __________________ Webmaster Coupons Coupons and discounts for hosting, domains, SSL Certs, and more! AmeriNOC Coupons \| Certified Hosting Coupons \| Hosting Coupons \| Domain Name Coupons

12-11-2009, 05:16 AM	#16
james_clickmemedia Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Texas / London Posts: 2,204	sounds interesting... __________________ $ CLICKMEMEDIA.COM $ CONVERTING ETHNIC TRAFFIC SINCE 1998 ~ $30+PPS BLACK-X.COM - NEW BLACK EX-GF SITE CLICKMEMEDIA.COM ~ ICQ - 8788771

12-11-2009, 06:48 AM	#17
magpan Guest Posts: n/a	Sounds cool, Will. And, depending on how you structure the licensing option, it could be monthly income for many years to come. Knowing that you 'know your shit,' it should be as simple to use and effective as you say it is.