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RevSand · 01-02-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Here is the problem with asking this question now (Jan 2 2009).

Most people are emotional sissy boys, so because its Jan 2 the start of a new year, they have to yell and scream all this motivational hope garbage and cant see the facts at the moment.

If you would of asked this same very question Dec 20 2009 you would of gotten more of an honest answer from people.

Having said that, I agree with you 100% and anyone who disagrees is a total fool.

Signups are down across the board, I don?t care what you offer, they are down, mainstream products adult products, paysites etc, im diversified enough to know facts, not the silly fiction most here shit out of their mouth.

Am I hopeful, well yeah, but so are the several million people who buy lotto every day. You can?t just sit back and relax because you are hopeful, when Moses and the Israelites arrived to the red sea and he had the Egyptians chasing after them, the Israelites where hoping that the sea will split in half. God tells Moses to raise his stick over the oceans and the Sea will split. The question is did god really need Moses to lift his stick for him to split the sea? The message is, being hopeful is cool but you must make an effort too.

Unfortunately it?s a double whammy, not just is business down because of the overall economy, fraud and free porn its also down because of lack of innovation, and I can credit that to the lazy bums all over the place, there is opportunity out there, ideas, money etc. but to many lazy fucking dicks who will have to be wall mart greeters at age 75 because they are currently lazy pieces of shit.

Sites are completely closing shop, and I don?t blame them, this is a business not a charity organization, if you can?t make money move on.

You will have to really understand the surfer, how he/she behaves in order to sell him/her anything, adult or non adult. But again making changes = taking action and that is going against the incredible laziness that is going around.

My goal for this year is simple, shake off every lazy fucker around me, these people have negative attitudes and are full of excuses and will kill your business, symptoms of a lazy fucker? Well you throw out an idea that involves him doing something and he throws back 100 reasons why it?s not a good idea or why it?s best to do it next week Friday, but here is the kicker, if you would of told him you are hiring someone to do that same concept for you he would of told you wow def. sounds great. It?s kill or be killed, these people are your enemies, so move on.

Let?s go over a few real examples and discuss the laws of progression.

AOL provides dial up service ? At one point they had over 35 Million subscribers, they where taking in about a billion dollars a month just off that. In 1998 They where urged to start looking into buying a cable provider so they can start the process of providing high speed services to their clients. They where on CNBC claiming that since most people only use it for email and don?t spend much time online the cost of $60 a month (back then on avg) won?t be justified. That was pure laziness talking. Today we all know what aol has, jack shit, they had 35 million subscribers and they could have been the largest high speed internet provider today. Verizon now is working on fios and without a doubt in 5 years from now everyone will be surfing using fiber and wifi will be as common as water regardless where you are.

Blockbuster ? founded in 1985, by far the place where several million people rent DVD?s a day, in 1998 they where asked over and over about if they feel netflix will have an effect on their business. They replied by saying that part of the movie watching experience is going to a stroe and renting the movie. Well this year alone that attitude can be credited to the closures of 980 blockbuster stores, and netflix has over 8 million people using that service. AGAIN the root cause of this stupidity is laziness, because making change means taking action. In turn blockbuster will be a company off the map within a few years.

Barnes and Noble ? by far they could have been the amazon of the online world, they should have been the ones to innovate a product like kindle, heck they where around since 1920! But the laziness and the constant telling themselves that nah the consumer is happy and amazon wont make it is why they will soon join borders and start closing store after store.

I have made tons of mistakes by not being realistic with myself of where certain things are going, and by listening to others and not going with my gut feelings on things. I am making this post not to insult anyone but rather to share my point of view. But once I started changing my mindset god helped and things started to work out.

Everything progresses.

Pigeons ? telegrams ? faxes ? email

Office phone where a secretary answers and manually plugs in a line to get you transferred ? regular phone systems ? automated pbx ? speech recognition ivr?s

Dialup ? DSL ? Cable ? Fiber

Cell phone large and bulky ? Smaller ? Analog ? Digital ? all the way to now complex tiny computer in your hand touch screen (remember those palms with a pen?)

Records ? Cassettes ? CD ? MP3?s

BBS ? AOL / Yahoo Chat ? Dating Sites ? Social Networking Sites / Twitter World

I can go on and on, to think that this won?t continue is stupid. Figure out where the progress is going and start working within that right now. Stop asking mommy and the girlfriend what they think of your idea.

Not being lazy goes against human nature, that?s why 99% of this planet is poor. Go against the grain, maybe live like Geroge Kastanza for a day and do everything the opposite you would usually do.

There is no doubt the next stage in porn will be 3D quality jerk off material, notice I said jerkoff material, not 20-40 minute flicks but rather 5 minute loop quality to the point jerk off stuff.

Dating and social networking are about to change too and so will every industry.

Walt Disney had a interesting way of thinking, when his engineers presented him with something he?s always say ?let?s plus it?, that?s why even some of the stuff they produced in the 50?s is still considered advanced even by today?s standards.

Here is a tip, if you have say an idea about a new concept for a site, ask yourself the following ?If a site like that would have been around already, what would you do to beat them?? Take your answer and make that your project.

Thinking what I wrote is junk is ok, but not reading it because it?s too long further will prove the laziness inside.

Happy New Year to all and I only wish the best to everyone, Im happy when I see people happy and making shit loads of money!

As always one of the most thought out replies there is...

digitaldivas · 01-02-2010, 07:19 PM

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Great thread!

true that. I am planning on spending a good amount of money grabbing footmodels on my travels throughout the U.S. this year for Beautifulfeetonline.com. My video and photo skills get better every shoot that I do... I doesn't hurt that ex Hustler Photographer Sean Hartgrove is one of my best friends... He has taught me so much... I still have 40 percent recurring after 5 years, I am blessed. Most of my models come back again and again, they are my friends and have no ties to the adult industry sans the fact that they are on my site and are fucking hot.

As for Digitaldivasonline.com, as always, a work in progress. And I am starting to promote it finally. Even though the naysayers said that without scripts and other TGP shit, DDO would never make it, my CCBill conversions last year were still 1:276.5, which is awesome. One thing I was not expecting was that it would turn into a network... And that it would grow from a TGP to an index and directory. DDO will be around for the long haul. I have simply put too much work, blood sweat and tears into it to let it go...

If anything, I hope to expand my network in 2010 and grow my talent with BFO...

weekly · 01-02-2010, 07:42 PM

As the re hashed content gets boring, new content needs to be shot. You can only sell that dated shit so many times. So I think this year will be a good year for content production, but it will be less expensive to buy.
Personally, I wouldn't want to be only a content producer because that future is dim. There is still lots of money to be made shooting your own stuff, but shooting for others is losing value and more are producing it.

Sausage · 01-02-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

clif notes or didnot read it

Thats why you are a post whore who gets paid for sig views and makes virtually nothing.

Jim_Gunn · 01-02-2010, 09:35 PM

I am sure that adult production is going to be down overall in 2010 from 2009. After all, a lot of the medium sized companies with no real clue have by now gone out of business, sold out or moved on. But that doesn't necessarily mean that production will necessarily slow for every company or producer. The smaller companies and niche players will still be busy shooting for themselves, their own sites, clip stores, DVDs etc under the formulas that work for them. As well, the top porn studios and very biggest porn companies who have successful sites and/or DVD series will continue for the markets that they serve. Like Dan, said, even with the economy, societal changes and omnipresence of free porn, there are still a number of lucrative revenue streams to be exploited by re-purposing your content several different ways if you have quality content, style, personality or content that serves a niche or fetish market well.

I am fortunate that I keep pretty busy shooting the different kinds of content that I excel at, for some top programs and porn companies around the world. But there aren't a whole lot of independent producers left who can make a living at this game, that's for sure. I am continuing to shoot the hottest new American teen girls in solo, fetish, g/g and b/g and group sex action for demanding clients. I have put a lot of effort into new sources for recruiting the new faces that contribute to a lot of my business. And the occasional cool jobs like shooting adult software game apps, adult informercials, and other special projects always a neat to expand my skill sets.

In 2009 I had been shooting more for myself as well. Despite the economy, I actually invested a significant amount of money and sweat equity into shooting unique new softcore and hardcore girl-girl and boy-girl content that I intend to market under my own brand in 2010 with the help of a couple of the biggest distributors and programs to release my new movies on DVDs, web sites and other markets. I feel strongly that nowadays especially that it is important to get feedback from the actual consumers who are your end users as well as the more immediate business to business target markets to make sure that you are on the right track and that you don't end up filming more boring, generic porn that just won't sell anymore.

tony286 · 01-02-2010, 09:46 PM

I speak to girls and they tell me how dead it is. The good thing for us is, girls who wouldnt have given us the time of day are now open to our shoots. Our shooting will be the same because our sites dictate that.

Mr Cheeks · 01-02-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I am sure that adult production is going to be down overall in 2010 from 2009. After all, a lot of the medium sized companies with no real clue have by now gone out of business, sold out or moved on. But that doesn't necessarily mean that production will necessarily slow for every company or producer. The smaller companies and niche players will still be busy shooting for themselves, their own sites, clip stores, DVDs etc under the formulas that work for them. As well, the top porn studios and very biggest porn companies who have successful sites and/or DVD series will continue for the markets that they serve. Like Dan, said, even with the economy, societal changes and omnipresence of free porn, there are still a number of lucrative revenue streams to be exploited by re-purposing your content several different ways if you have quality content, style, personality or content that serves a niche or fetish market well.

I am fortunate that I keep pretty busy shooting the different kinds of content that I excel at, for some top programs and porn companies around the world. But there aren't a whole lot of independent producers left who can make a living at this game, that's for sure. I am continuing to shoot the hottest new American teen girls in solo, fetish, g/g and b/g and group sex action for demanding clients. I have put a lot of effort into new sources for recruiting the new faces that contribute to a lot of my business. And the occasional cool jobs like shooting adult software game apps, adult informercials, and other special projects always a neat to expand my skill sets.

In 2009 I had been shooting more for myself as well. Despite the economy, I actually invested a significant amount of money and sweat equity into shooting unique new softcore and hardcore girl-girl and boy-girl content that I intend to market under my own brand in 2010 with the help of a couple of the biggest distributors and programs to release my new movies on DVDs, web sites and other markets. I feel strongly that nowadays especially that it is important to get feedback from the actual consumers who are your end users as well as the more immediate business to business target markets to make sure that you are on the right track and that you don't end up filming more boring, generic porn that just won't sell anymore.

i could not agree more..

amacontent · 01-02-2010, 10:43 PM

Donny Long just hired me to be his production manager so 2010 should be a killer year for me. Donny told me so.

Porno Dan · 01-04-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I am sure that adult production is going to be down overall in 2010 from 2009. After all, a lot of the medium sized companies with no real clue have by now gone out of business, sold out or moved on. But that doesn't necessarily mean that production will necessarily slow for every company or producer. The smaller companies and niche players will still be busy shooting for themselves, their own sites, clip stores, DVDs etc under the formulas that work for them. As well, the top porn studios and very biggest porn companies who have successful sites and/or DVD series will continue for the markets that they serve. Like Dan, said, even with the economy, societal changes and omnipresence of free porn, there are still a number of lucrative revenue streams to be exploited by re-purposing your content several different ways if you have quality content, style, personality or content that serves a niche or fetish market well.

I am fortunate that I keep pretty busy shooting the different kinds of content that I excel at, for some top programs and porn companies around the world. But there aren't a whole lot of independent producers left who can make a living at this game, that's for sure. I am continuing to shoot the hottest new American teen girls in solo, fetish, g/g and b/g and group sex action for demanding clients. I have put a lot of effort into new sources for recruiting the new faces that contribute to a lot of my business. And the occasional cool jobs like shooting adult software game apps, adult informercials, and other special projects always a neat to expand my skill sets.

In 2009 I had been shooting more for myself as well. Despite the economy, I actually invested a significant amount of money and sweat equity into shooting unique new softcore and hardcore girl-girl and boy-girl content that I intend to market under my own brand in 2010 with the help of a couple of the biggest distributors and programs to release my new movies on DVDs, web sites and other markets. I feel strongly that nowadays especially that it is important to get feedback from the actual consumers who are your end users as well as the more immediate business to business target markets to make sure that you are on the right track and that you don't end up filming more boring, generic porn that just won't sell anymore.

I totally agree with the you, the days of shooting generic porn of girls getting their asses fucked are dying.

If you make creative and entertaining content and have multiple revenue streams you will be fine.

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Originally Posted by tony404

I speak to girls and they tell me how dead it is. The good thing for us is, girls who wouldnt have given us the time of day are now open to our shoots.

This is very, very true for us as well.

Porno Dan · 01-05-2010, 11:16 AM

Looks the vast majority of people agree with me that there will be less production in 2010.

Barefootsies · 01-05-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Looks the vast majority of people agree with me that there will be less production in 2010.

For many/most that is correct fine sire.

ninavain · 01-05-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I just got into a dicussion with some friends about the state of production in the adult industry.

One of the big agencies told a producer friend of mine that they are not going to lower girls rates, and in fact increase the prices of some of their models, because they think that production is going to increase in 2010.

I strongly believe that there will be a lot less production in 2010

I feel that more programs are going to close their doors, as many programs will not be able to garner enough traffic to attract new customers to offset the decline in rebills.

What do you feel 2010 has in store and why?

less production for less money paid to models. That agencies will be either begging for people to hire his girls or closing his doors like the production companies. Guess he didn't see the drastic decline in DVD sales lately

Paul Markham · 01-05-2010, 11:55 AM

Will people be producing more of the same that's already out there or will they be thinking a bit more?

Grapesoda · 01-05-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Looks the vast majority of people agree with me that there will be less production in 2010.

well pretty much everyone except derek it would seem $.02

Porno Dan · 01-05-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ninavain

less production for less money paid to models. That agencies will be either begging for people to hire his girls or closing his doors like the production companies. Guess he didn't see the drastic decline in DVD sales lately

Tons of girls I know say they would love to shoot for lower rates but their agents won't let them.

NetHorse · 01-05-2010, 10:25 PM

Hopefully more of something different, I'm tired of seeing and promoting the same shit. I wish some of the mainstream programs would start creating REAL fetish sites.

Bossman · 01-05-2010, 11:50 PM

Really depends on what you mean by production? If its simply hours of new porn, then it will increase, however the increase will come from the amature market.

Technology will continue to decentralization porn production - when everyone owns a quality cam, then it will be used for sex

amacontent · 01-05-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Tons of girls I know say they would love to shoot for lower rates but their agents won't let them.

Well nature finds a way.

MaDalton · 01-06-2010, 03:58 AM

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Tons of girls I know say they would love to shoot for lower rates but their agents won't let them.

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Well nature finds a way.

at which point will either agencies face reality or you start to bypass them?

Major Tom Thanks Duke · 01-06-2010, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I just got into a dicussion with some friends about the state of production in the adult industry.

One of the big agencies told a producer friend of mine that they are not going to lower girls rates, and in fact increase the prices of some of their models, because they think that production is going to increase in 2010.

I strongly believe that there will be a lot less production in 2010

I feel that more programs are going to close their doors, as many programs will not be able to garner enough traffic to attract new customers to offset the decline in rebills.

What do you feel 2010 has in store and why?

More, not all companies are hurting.
Duke

Raf1 · 01-06-2010, 04:54 AM

very interesting read

Barefootsies · 01-06-2010, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

Hopefully more of something different, I'm tired of seeing and promoting the same shit. I wish some of the mainstream programs would start creating REAL fetish sites.

You need to truly understand a fetish to shoot fetish. That is, if you actually want it to convert and generate some sales long term.

Anyone can attempt to shoot fetish, and I see more and more of them every year. You might as well lite your money on fire. I can look at most of their preview images and videos alone and within a few seconds see it is not shot by, and for, fetish folk. It is shot for profit only.

Some will simply never learn that fetish people are very picky, and if you can't shoot it right. We know it. We will buy from the mom and pops over corporate almost any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Simply because the mom and pops and smaller studios provide TRUE fetish material.

Pornstars, or polished productions, are secondary concerns to fetish people. It is nice, we do not mind seeing that stuff. However, it is not a primary consideration on purchasing. Some BROgrams will simply never understand this.

Which is why they fail.

Lykos · 01-06-2010, 08:50 AM

Very hard to say from mu point of view

NemesisEnforcer · 01-06-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Everything progresses.

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Records ? Cassettes ? CD ? MP3?s

Records - 8-Track ? Cassettes ? CD ? MP3s

Porno Dan · 01-06-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

at which point will either agencies face reality or you start to bypass them?

Most of the girls in Los Angeles are under contract with their agents and only get work through them.

This system worked well for the producers and the models until very recently.

As a producer by booking through the agents you were assured that the models would show up, it's almost like taking out insurance on your shoots.

The models were happy because they were working every day and the agents made 10% off what their models earned and $100 booking fee per girl from the producers

Now that producers don't make the same profits, if they profit at all, they don't shoot as often and would like to pay lower rates.

Most models, because they aren't shooting, would be happy to take these lower rates

Most agents won't let their models work for less because they think production is going to return to it's old levels soon.

People would be surprised which agents actually understand things are never gone to return to the "old ways" and are willing to make deals with producers.

Barefootsies · 01-06-2010, 11:03 AM

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People would be surprised which agents actually understand things are never gone to return to the "old ways" and are willing to make deals with producers.

CarlosTheGaucho · 01-06-2010, 12:58 PM

Great post EB and a thread well worth reading

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Originally Posted by Adam X

The market is telling the adult industry something loud and clear: We do not value your content.

By say 2006, There had been rather technological barriers that didn't allow to "not value" the content so easily, if one wanted to get it, chances for immediate free satisfaction were limited (TGP times, torrents too slow and and too techie to use).

So unless you wanted to check file sharing (no full length free overload like it is today), then if you were looking for something new to jerk off to, you still had to "value" it minimally by the distributor's price (be it a clip download, VOD or subscription).

Yet it's totally true that if someone jacks off, the material interests him exactly for a time period from 5 to 15 minutes and the only thing he cares about is if the girl (boy, tranny, hermaphrodite anything) and the practices involved turn him on.

He could care less if someone spent 50 000 USD on production and lost half of his nose due coke abuse already or if it's a scene shot for 1500 USD.

I've seen the approach of "if it cost a lot of money it has to be great" far too many times and while I believe content has its value and good and reliable content producers should get their fair share, it just shows the "golden days" attitude.

Unless you're buying a celebrity sex tape, spending 50 000 USD on a movie just doesn't make sense at all and all the content in the world has only so much value as how is one able to market it.

harvey · 01-06-2010, 01:11 PM

Logic says a lot less, we're on a verge of a big change in business model.

This being said, less but SMARTER content makes more sense (=$$$) than shitloads of nowadays dumbo-dumbo content.

Personally, I think that the only content producers able to remain in business will be those that have a clue about the niches they shoot. And I'm not saying a slight clue (quite a bunch of content producers don't have it even that slight clue) but a real deep insight on it. As an example, take MOFOS. They have lots of sites, they shoot lots of content (although less than a year ago) and I can't tell the difference between every shot they do. It's all about a huge massive cock and 1 or 2 girls with awful surgeries that look like expensive whores being fucked for 40 minutes. No fantasy, no variety, no niche knowledge, no identification with the users.... just the same shoot time after time after time after time. I'm naming MOFOS, but it applies to many programs: once you see one shoot, you've seen them all

harvey · 01-06-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

Hopefully more of something different, I'm tired of seeing and promoting the same shit. I wish some of the mainstream programs would start creating REAL fetish sites.

believe me, many programs opening fetish sites use this logic: "hey, we've a cool domain, why don't we do some fetish site? we can tell the photo/video people to shoot a girl with a cig and call it a smoking fetish site!" replace cig and smoking with any kind of fetish and you've the business master plan

amacontent · 01-06-2010, 01:17 PM

These days its all about getting the freshest face possible and presenting her in the most normal setting possible. At least thats how I see it. Of course the illegal tube sites dont help much.

harvey · 01-06-2010, 02:49 PM

OK, bump for a good thread for a change

ninavain · 01-06-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

Logic says a lot less, we're on a verge of a big change in business model.
but it applies to many programs: once you see one shoot, you've seen them all

and once you've seen it for FREE, ( well, you fill in the rest)

harvey · 01-06-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ninavain

and once you've seen it for FREE, ( well, you fill in the rest)

well, unless content shooters work out some kind of partnership with programs, and from there they work on ways to create content that can't be available for free (at least easily), then I feel like a lot of content companies will vanish.

IMHO, the only ones that will be able to cope the storm will be those shooting exclusive content, working close to programs (many of them will disappear as well so I would be very careful with this) and researching A LOT on niches, a thing most content shooters should have done years ago. With the current state of business, one failure could mean a lot. And believe me, being someone who has run microniche sites and programs, I can say that, at least for those programs within the same niches I run, 99% of content is off niche. Hell, let's make it 100%. Even funnier is that most programs are failing even on common mainstream niches.

I'll give an example since every time I say this a few trolls say I'm keeping my mouth shut because I have no idea so I play the "mystery card". Let's take a very common niche, anal: someone that knows the niche or at least uses the brain will know that a girl getting 10 inches in her ass won't be laughing and smiling. Furthermore, most women will say no to the only idea of that 10 inches cock craving their asses. The whole anal niche has 2 main variants (and many sub-niches): the power fantasy (usually with a rape ingredient) and the homosexual fantasy. I won't extend on both variants since they're quite explanatory, just let me say this: A girl happy as fuck with a 10 inches cock in her ass won't cover any of both main variants in the niche. Wowzers. In opposition to that, there are several ways to shoot the same content and make it more appealing. And I won't enter into details on this either, those interested do your homework.

Anyway, besides all of the above, those sites that keep in business will need to wise up, or die. Programs are using a 2000/2001 logic (only with some technological improvements), while the whole internet (mainstream and adult) is living in 2010. Again, just my humble opinion.

harvey · 01-06-2010, 06:39 PM

oh and btw, I think this is the time to try the female market. Of course I wouldn't recommend this to anyone before getting your shit straight, but right now it's an untapped market with a potential to make a killing ($$$ speaking). Of course, you'll need to think out of the box and as I said in the previous post, wise up. But the first program that makes a good adult site for females will cash in like mad. The sad part is that besides knowing what to do, I foresee some big investment in this kind of site

Robbie · 01-06-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

oh and btw, I think this is the time to try the female market. Of course I wouldn't recommend this to anyone before getting your shit straight, but right now it's an untapped market with a potential to make a killing ($$$ speaking). Of course, you'll need to think out of the box and as I said in the previous post, wise up. But the first program that makes a good adult site for females will cash in like mad. The sad part is that besides knowing what to do, I foresee some big investment in this kind of site

You're talking about a mystery that has never been solved. As far as I know, nobody has ever figured out a way to get women to pay for porn in any form. I'm sure there has to be some way...but it may be beyond the powers of human comprehension to solve it.

EscortBiz · 01-06-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

Records - 8-Track ? Cassettes ? CD ? MP3s

sorry :-)

Barefootsies · 01-06-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You're talking about a mystery that has never been solved. As far as I know, nobody has ever figured out a way to get women to pay for porn in any form. I'm sure there has to be some way...but it may be beyond the powers of human comprehension to solve it.

Human MALE's in the online adult porn biz...

Barefootsies · 01-06-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

I can say that, at least for those programs within the same niches I run, 99% of content is off niche. Hell, let's make it 100%. Even funnier is that most programs are failing even on common mainstream niches.

True fucking dat!

Robbie · 01-06-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Human MALE's in the online adult porn biz...

I don't think other women can figure out that mystery either. If they could, they would.

harvey · 01-06-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Human MALE's in the online adult porn biz...

bingo +100 to the power of N

anyway, I'm not talking about the regular HETERO MALE paysite, it's something more sophisticated and with many income sources

but hey, maybe the regular paysite as we know it could work with the proper content, really don't know

Barefootsies · 01-06-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think other women can figure out that mystery either. If they could, they would.

Please point me at one female in this industry who is your equal. Skills and knowledge.

Don't worry. I will not be holding my breath on this one. It will be a long wait.

Robbie · 01-06-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Please point me at one female in this industry who is your equal. Skills and knowledge.

Don't worry. I will not be holding my breath on this one. It will be a long wait.

There are none that are my equal...they are all my SUPERIOR
That's why we can't sell them porn. They're too damn smart!

Barefootsies · 01-06-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

There are none that are my equal...they are all my SUPERIOR
That's why we can't sell them porn. They're too damn smart!

If that were the case, and they truly existed, and had your years of knowledge and expertise then harvey's equation would be solved. Those women would be filling that need.

However, it remains. Hence there is no equal.

harvey · 01-07-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

There are none that are my equal...they are all my SUPERIOR
That's why we can't sell them porn. They're too damn smart!

I like your thinking. But using the same logic, think about this as well: women are so damn smart they might sell sex to other women. As a matter of fact, they do it every fucking day, only that depending the angle nobody is cashing on it (at least not properly) or the ones cashing it big shouldn't take all the cake. Or at least share the wealth

anyway, this is going way off topic and this might deserve a thread on its own, so back to the content amount question that originated the thread

ArsewithClass · 01-07-2010, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Having guys pay to have sex with models and you filming them would get you locked up in the States, it is considered prositution.

You guys are about the only ones I know of who will be shooting more in 2010.

I think you shall find guys pay to have access into most parties & the girls are paid. Its only swingers parties where the girls go for free. Even then, usually you shall find a cpl of girls have been paid to get the party started.

Recapping, I dont make money from my parties as I only charge a small entry to cover the cost of the girls. I make the money from the film.

On the other hand, if you can find some free sex parties, let me know

Lassitor · 01-07-2010, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I just got into a dicussion with some friends about the state of production in the adult industry.

One of the big agencies told a producer friend of mine that they are not going to lower girls rates, and in fact increase the prices of some of their models, because they think that production is going to increase in 2010.

I strongly believe that there will be a lot less production in 2010

I feel that more programs are going to close their doors, as many programs will not be able to garner enough traffic to attract new customers to offset the decline in rebills.

What do you feel 2010 has in store and why?

One porn producer I work with already sees a flood of mediocre porn films on the market for dirt cheap. He produces higher quality material and is not worried about anything. He is planning to shoot more in 2010, pay more and increase sales.

harvey · 01-07-2010, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lassitor

One porn producer I work with already sees a flood of mediocre porn films on the market for dirt cheap. He produces higher quality material and is not worried about anything. He is planning to shoot more in 2010, pay more and increase sales.

and he wants to pay more because......

harvey · 01-07-2010, 01:07 PM

let's be realistic: it doesn't matter how good, sophisticated and amazing you are. Whoever didn't realize business has changed and that change isn't even finished has had a lobotomy or something. That change process as a whole can be "routed" to a desired end only if the majority of players join efforts. Since we know that won't ever happen, then the only remedy is to wait and see which one will be the new trend (this is what 99.99% of people is doing) to copy it or innovate. The post by EB hits the nail on the head, as usual.

Now, innovation doesn't mean tech innovation necessarily. See, most programs feature HD videos and use that as a marketing selling claim. That would be perfect 2 years ago, and it's useless nowadays. Even more when you see programs are losing a lot of its income thanks to tubes with crappy image. The fact is you can offer plasma video quality and it won't matter at all. People will pay for some special cellphone video rather than HD boring content.

In short: WISE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Play the LIVE BROADCASTING CARD. Shoot your content LIVE, after all it's the same than doing it hidden in a studio. Use interactivity. Involve your customers. Use technology wisely, not in a dumb way. Make the most out of marketing tools. And your marketing tools shouldn't be for your affiliates! Marketing tools are for your customers and prospective customers! Of course, if you think a marketing tool starts and ends with a banner or FHG, there's no point in discussing anything, you're failing from the very start.

And as we're at it, the business is in a big change for affiliates. It's sad, but the affiliates model as we know it isn't dead yet, but in agony for sure.

There are ways to increase signups RIGHT NOW. And I mean RIGHT NOW. No shady stuff, no xsells, nothing idiotic, just common sense. But you'll need to think out of the box and forget about what you know as "adult business". The good news is adult business is facing the challenge of turning really PRO. Thus, you'll need pros to manage your business. No more confusion between media and message is allowed. And I won't get philosophic and discuss McLuhan's media/message theories since at this point they're wrong, but knowing a little about how modern PROFESSIONAL business should be taken care of wouldn't hurt anyone.

anyway, just rambling and my

and yadda yadda yadda

JP-pornshooter · 01-07-2010, 01:13 PM

a lot of good replies in this thread.

let me add a few facts to the debate:

a few days ago i offered a shoot to a young model who is represented by the same agency which Dan mentions. she was ready to shoot but the owner of the agency said they would pass..the offer was not enough money.
this guy has enough money but the model could have used the income.
the bad thing is that this guy controls the majority of hardcore models in LA...

on another note, an amateur program i have shot exclusive for over many years informed me that there is a new era where lots of real amateurs will shoot content for very little money.. no professional equipment is really needed. think selfshot hardcore content.

there will be less "pro" production, more selfshot amateur type productions

also the rates for "pro" content will decrease a little, but not much as "we" as an industry compete with the escort market. If a hot girl can make more escorting, she will jump ship, many already work both markets..

BestXXXPorn · 01-07-2010, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey

There are ways to increase signups RIGHT NOW. And I mean RIGHT NOW. No shady stuff, no xsells, nothing idiotic, just common sense. But you'll need to think out of the box and forget about what you know as "adult business". The good news is adult business is facing the challenge of turning really PRO. Thus, you'll need pros to manage your business. No more confusion between media and message is allowed. And I won't get philosophic and discuss McLuhan's media/message theories since at this point they're wrong, but knowing a little about how modern PROFESSIONAL business should be taken care of wouldn't hurt anyone.

anyway, just rambling and my

and yadda yadda yadda

I haven't posted here in quite a while and I'm not really returning (not that anyone would miss me, lol). Someone pointed me to this post so I'm just here to tip my hat to harvey.

...forget about what you know as "adult business". The good news is adult business is facing the challenge of turning really PRO.

That's it, right there, everyone here should read that at least 40 fucking times! Beat it into your brain, understand it, talk to mainstream business owners and get some advice.

Amateur Night at the Apollo is over folks put your big boy pants on and learn to play the game ;)

Best of luck to everyone that learns to play the new game! I'll see you on the playing field

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01-02-2010, 09:35 PM	#55
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	I am sure that adult production is going to be down overall in 2010 from 2009. After all, a lot of the medium sized companies with no real clue have by now gone out of business, sold out or moved on. But that doesn't necessarily mean that production will necessarily slow for every company or producer. The smaller companies and niche players will still be busy shooting for themselves, their own sites, clip stores, DVDs etc under the formulas that work for them. As well, the top porn studios and very biggest porn companies who have successful sites and/or DVD series will continue for the markets that they serve. Like Dan, said, even with the economy, societal changes and omnipresence of free porn, there are still a number of lucrative revenue streams to be exploited by re-purposing your content several different ways if you have quality content, style, personality or content that serves a niche or fetish market well. I am fortunate that I keep pretty busy shooting the different kinds of content that I excel at, for some top programs and porn companies around the world. But there aren't a whole lot of independent producers left who can make a living at this game, that's for sure. I am continuing to shoot the hottest new American teen girls in solo, fetish, g/g and b/g and group sex action for demanding clients. I have put a lot of effort into new sources for recruiting the new faces that contribute to a lot of my business. And the occasional cool jobs like shooting adult software game apps, adult informercials, and other special projects always a neat to expand my skill sets. In 2009 I had been shooting more for myself as well. Despite the economy, I actually invested a significant amount of money and sweat equity into shooting unique new softcore and hardcore girl-girl and boy-girl content that I intend to market under my own brand in 2010 with the help of a couple of the biggest distributors and programs to release my new movies on DVDs, web sites and other markets. I feel strongly that nowadays especially that it is important to get feedback from the actual consumers who are your end users as well as the more immediate business to business target markets to make sure that you are on the right track and that you don't end up filming more boring, generic porn that just won't sell anymore. __________________ Jim Gunn Filming Cinematic Porn Skype JimGunnProductions

01-02-2010, 10:43 PM	#58
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,700	Donny Long just hired me to be his production manager so 2010 should be a killer year for me. Donny told me so. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] SKYPE- joeloughlin https://www.amaproduction.com

01-05-2010, 11:16 AM	#60
Porno Dan Court Jester Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Budapest Posts: 6,342	Looks the vast majority of people agree with me that there will be less production in 2010. __________________ Reality TV Star, AVN Hall of Fame, Five-Time XBIZ Winner 2021 XBIZ Europe Winner Best Director Site Promote the sites where members get paid to get laid by their favorite porn stars

01-05-2010, 11:55 AM	#63
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Will people be producing more of the same that's already out there or will they be thinking a bit more? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-02-2010, 07:42 PM	#53
weekly So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,785	As the re hashed content gets boring, new content needs to be shot. You can only sell that dated shit so many times. So I think this year will be a good year for content production, but it will be less expensive to buy. Personally, I wouldn't want to be only a content producer because that future is dim. There is still lots of money to be made shooting your own stuff, but shooting for others is losing value and more are producing it.

01-02-2010, 09:46 PM	#56
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I speak to girls and they tell me how dead it is. The good thing for us is, girls who wouldnt have given us the time of day are now open to our shoots. Our shooting will be the same because our sites dictate that.

01-05-2010, 10:25 PM	#66
NetHorse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,526	Hopefully more of something different, I'm tired of seeing and promoting the same shit. I wish some of the mainstream programs would start creating REAL fetish sites. __________________ ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ ICQ # 427013273

01-05-2010, 11:50 PM	#67
Bossman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: EU Posts: 1,263	Really depends on what you mean by production? If its simply hours of new porn, then it will increase, however the increase will come from the amature market. Technology will continue to decentralization porn production - when everyone owns a quality cam, then it will be used for sex __________________ Live Sex Buying membership sites E-mail: support AT epcrew.com

01-06-2010, 04:54 AM	#71
Raf1 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Writer for hire :) Gallery descriptions, articles, blog posts etc. ICQ: 209 356 106 Posts: 12,117	very interesting read __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557

01-06-2010, 08:50 AM	#73
Lykos Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: World Posts: 31,016	Very hard to say from mu point of view __________________

01-06-2010, 01:11 PM	#78
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	Logic says a lot less, we're on a verge of a big change in business model. This being said, less but SMARTER content makes more sense (=$$$) than shitloads of nowadays dumbo-dumbo content. Personally, I think that the only content producers able to remain in business will be those that have a clue about the niches they shoot. And I'm not saying a slight clue (quite a bunch of content producers don't have it even that slight clue) but a real deep insight on it. As an example, take MOFOS. They have lots of sites, they shoot lots of content (although less than a year ago) and I can't tell the difference between every shot they do. It's all about a huge massive cock and 1 or 2 girls with awful surgeries that look like expensive whores being fucked for 40 minutes. No fantasy, no variety, no niche knowledge, no identification with the users.... just the same shoot time after time after time after time. I'm naming MOFOS, but it applies to many programs: once you see one shoot, you've seen them all __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

01-06-2010, 01:17 PM	#80
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,700	These days its all about getting the freshest face possible and presenting her in the most normal setting possible. At least thats how I see it. Of course the illegal tube sites dont help much. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] SKYPE- joeloughlin https://www.amaproduction.com

01-06-2010, 02:49 PM	#81
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	OK, bump for a good thread for a change __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

01-06-2010, 06:39 PM	#84
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	oh and btw, I think this is the time to try the female market. Of course I wouldn't recommend this to anyone before getting your shit straight, but right now it's an untapped market with a potential to make a killing ($$$ speaking). Of course, you'll need to think out of the box and as I said in the previous post, wise up. But the first program that makes a good adult site for females will cash in like mad. The sad part is that besides knowing what to do, I foresee some big investment in this kind of site __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

01-07-2010, 01:07 PM	#98
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	let's be realistic: it doesn't matter how good, sophisticated and amazing you are. Whoever didn't realize business has changed and that change isn't even finished has had a lobotomy or something. That change process as a whole can be "routed" to a desired end only if the majority of players join efforts. Since we know that won't ever happen, then the only remedy is to wait and see which one will be the new trend (this is what 99.99% of people is doing) to copy it or innovate. The post by EB hits the nail on the head, as usual. Now, innovation doesn't mean tech innovation necessarily. See, most programs feature HD videos and use that as a marketing selling claim. That would be perfect 2 years ago, and it's useless nowadays. Even more when you see programs are losing a lot of its income thanks to tubes with crappy image. The fact is you can offer plasma video quality and it won't matter at all. People will pay for some special cellphone video rather than HD boring content. In short: WISE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Play the LIVE BROADCASTING CARD. Shoot your content LIVE, after all it's the same than doing it hidden in a studio. Use interactivity. Involve your customers. Use technology wisely, not in a dumb way. Make the most out of marketing tools. And your marketing tools shouldn't be for your affiliates! Marketing tools are for your customers and prospective customers! Of course, if you think a marketing tool starts and ends with a banner or FHG, there's no point in discussing anything, you're failing from the very start. And as we're at it, the business is in a big change for affiliates. It's sad, but the affiliates model as we know it isn't dead yet, but in agony for sure. There are ways to increase signups RIGHT NOW. And I mean RIGHT NOW. No shady stuff, no xsells, nothing idiotic, just common sense. But you'll need to think out of the box and forget about what you know as "adult business". The good news is adult business is facing the challenge of turning really PRO. Thus, you'll need pros to manage your business. No more confusion between media and message is allowed. And I won't get philosophic and discuss McLuhan's media/message theories since at this point they're wrong, but knowing a little about how modern PROFESSIONAL business should be taken care of wouldn't hurt anyone. anyway, just rambling and my and yadda yadda yadda __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

01-07-2010, 01:13 PM	#99
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	a lot of good replies in this thread. let me add a few facts to the debate: a few days ago i offered a shoot to a young model who is represented by the same agency which Dan mentions. she was ready to shoot but the owner of the agency said they would pass..the offer was not enough money. this guy has enough money but the model could have used the income. the bad thing is that this guy controls the majority of hardcore models in LA... on another note, an amateur program i have shot exclusive for over many years informed me that there is a new era where lots of real amateurs will shoot content for very little money.. no professional equipment is really needed. think selfshot hardcore content. there will be less "pro" production, more selfshot amateur type productions also the rates for "pro" content will decrease a little, but not much as "we" as an industry compete with the escort market. If a hot girl can make more escorting, she will jump ship, many already work both markets.. __________________ "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown