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Old 05-05-2010, 05:09 AM   #1
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Sniper takes out Taliban one and half mile consecutive shots/kills

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7113916.ece

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BRITISH Army sniper has set a new sharpshooting distance record by killing two Taliban machinegunners in Afghanistan from more than a mile away.

Craig Harrison, a member of the Household Cavalry, killed the insurgents with consecutive shots ? even though they were 3,000ft beyond the most effective range of his rifle.

?The first round hit a machinegunner in the stomach and killed him outright,? said Harrison, a Corporal of Horse. ?He went straight down and didn?t move.

?The second insurgent grabbed the weapon and turned as my second shot hit him in the side. He went down, too. They were both dead.?

The shooting ? which took place while Harrison?s colleagues came under attack ? was at such extreme range that the 8.59mm bullets took almost three seconds to reach their target after leaving the barrel of the rifle at almost three times the speed of sound.

The distance to Harrison?s two targets was measured by a GPS system at 8,120ft, or 1.54 miles. The previous record for a sniper kill is 7,972ft, set by a Canadian soldier who shot dead an Al-Qaeda gunman in March 2002.
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At that range you have to account for...

THE FUCKING PLANET SPINNING UNDERNEATH THE BULLET!


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Outstanding...I salute the man. The verticle and horizontal Kentucky windage on those two shots is amazing.
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BRITISH Army sniper has set a new sharpshooting distance record by killing two Taliban machinegunners in Afghanistan from more than a mile away.

Craig Harrison, a member of the Household Cavalry, killed the insurgents with consecutive shots ? even though they were 3,000ft beyond the most effective range of his rifle.

?The first round hit a machinegunner in the stomach and killed him outright,? said Harrison, a Corporal of Horse. ?He went straight down and didn?t move.

?The second insurgent grabbed the weapon and turned as my second shot hit him in the side. He went down, too. They were both dead.?

The shooting ? which took place while Harrison?s colleagues came under attack ? was at such extreme range that the 8.59mm bullets took almost three seconds to reach their target after leaving the barrel of the rifle at almost three times the speed of sound.

The distance to Harrison?s two targets was measured by a GPS system at 8,120ft, or 1.54 miles. The previous record for a sniper kill is 7,972ft, set by a Canadian soldier who shot dead an Al-Qaeda gunman in March 2002.
actually an American in Iraq broke that Canadians record a couple of years back.
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actually an American in Iraq broke that Canadians record a couple of years back.
No, the American one was longest confirmed kill which was only at 1250m which i think is something like 1400 yards? And I use the word 'only' very loosely, as it is a major accomplishment.
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Those records dont really hold much water as they have been broken tiime and again just never had a way to confirm them as fact of distance. but with the GPS and sats thats going to change.
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There have been longer shots, they just don't publicize all of them...

And when you're firing with a .50 cal you don't even have to hit your target in order to kill them :P
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There have been longer shots, they just don't publicize all of them...

And when you're firing with a .50 cal you don't even have to hit your target in order to kill them :P
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At that range you have to account for...
THE FUCKING PLANET SPINNING UNDERNEATH THE BULLET!
Er, no you don't.

The earth is a closed system, that is to say, the planet, its atmosphere, etc, rotates at the same velocity [~1600KM/h]

A bullet, no matter how far it travels, is still subject to the same parabolic arc as any other propelled object.

Ask yourself: When you drop a pen, does it land 5cm away from where you dropped it?

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I know of a USMC sniper that made a shot during the gulf v1 of almost 2 miles away. He had three shots in the air before the first one took the guy's head off... He hit a tank brigade commander in the face.

And yes, with a .50 cal fired from a sniper rifle you don't have to hit the target. The velocity and size of the round will rip someone apart even when the round passes near them.

Also, there's a lot of luck involved with shots at that distance. Calculating the wind'age for a distance that size is only good for the moment you calculate it. A strong breeze anywhere in between the sniper and the target during the time of firing will throw the round off target. That's why the guy was aiming center mass on his mark... usually you'd aim for the brain box.
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And yes, with a .50 cal fired from a sniper rifle you don't have to hit the target. The velocity and size of the round will rip someone apart even when the round passes near them.
Absolute bullshit. Man, this thread is 'invent your own physics'.

I'm not even going to bother debunking your physics, I'll let someone else do it ;)

(start at ~ 1:50)
Summary: 50 cal, fired from less than 10 feet away, sailing past a 2 rows of glassware less than 2" from the bullet - they don't even move, let alone explode.

Your USMC friend is ficticious, or taking the piss.

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I know of a USMC sniper that made a shot during the gulf v1 of almost 2 miles away. He had three shots in the air before the first one took the guy's head off... He hit a tank brigade commander in the face.

And yes, with a .50 cal fired from a sniper rifle you don't have to hit the target. The velocity and size of the round will rip someone apart even when the round passes near them.

Also, there's a lot of luck involved with shots at that distance. Calculating the wind'age for a distance that size is only good for the moment you calculate it. A strong breeze anywhere in between the sniper and the target during the time of firing will throw the round off target. That's why the guy was aiming center mass on his mark... usually you'd aim for the brain box.
I have been under fire by a .50 Cal and I suffered no injuries of any kind...let alone being ripped apart...so I repeat...pigshit. In addition at those long ranges you are not even aiming at your target...period...let alone "for the brain box". You are using "Kentucky windage" and are not on target. It is a given that the .50 Cal has a greater rainge than an ordinary Sniper Rifle.
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In addition at those long ranges you are not even aiming at your target...period...let alone "for the brain box". You are using "Kentucky windage" and are not on target. It is a given that the .50 Cal has a greater rainge than an ordinary Sniper Rifle.
That's pretty much my point... it's a lot of luck.
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That's pretty much my point... it's a lot of luck.
With a trained Sniper at long ranges...it is science...art and a little luck.
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A LOT of luck, any time the shot is beyond the maximum effective range of your weapon, you're banking on luck :P
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A LOT of luck, any time the shot is beyond the maximum effective range of your weapon, you're banking on luck :P
He was not firing beyond the "maximum" effective range of his weapon. He was firing beyond the most effective range of his weapon...and as I stated it is science...an art and a little bit of luck. None the less it was outstanding shooting and he clearly had an outstandfing spotter...as it is the spotter that provides the science for the shot.
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He was not firing beyond the "maximum" effective range of his weapon. He was firing beyond the most effective range of his weapon...and as I stated it is science...an art and a little bit of luck. None the less it was outstanding shooting and he clearly had an outstandfing spotter...as it is the spotter that provides the science for the shot.
The MAXIMUM effective range of an M82A1 Barrett .50 cal is 1,800m that means that any shots fired at a distance of greater than 1,800m will not be accurate... Even if you could hit a point target 100/100 times at 1,500m you aren't going to do the same at 2,000m no matter how good you are. At the range we're talking about here it's a LOT of luck.
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The MAXIMUM effective range of an M82A1 Barrett .50 cal is 1,800m that means that any shots fired at a distance of greater than 1,800m will not be accurate... Even if you could hit a point target 100/100 times at 1,500m you aren't going to do the same at 2,000m no matter how good you are. At the range we're talking about here it's a LOT of luck.
The American that holds the record for the longest shot/kill in Iraq which was beyond the most effective range of his weapon...duplicated the shot on a range...not once...not twice...but three times consecutively. I repeat it is the spotter that provides the science and it is the art/skill of the shooter...with a little bit of luck. In his case he hit his target for the kill and duplicated the shot three times...consecutively...on a range thus more science and art/skill than luck...now isn't it.
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He was not firing beyond the "maximum" effective range of his weapon. He was firing beyond the most effective range of his weapon...and as I stated it is science...an art and a little bit of luck. None the less it was outstanding shooting and he clearly had an outstandfing spotter...as it is the spotter that provides the science for the shot.
He was using a L115A3

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The American that holds the record for the longest shot/kill in Iraq which was beyond the most effective range of his weapon...duplicated the shot on a range...not once...not twice...but three times consecutively. I repeat it is the spotter that provides the science and it is the art/skill of the shooter...with a little bit of luck. In his case he hit his target for the kill and duplicated the shot three times...consecutively...on a range thus more science and art/skill than luck...now isn't it.
I think your terminology is confused here or something there's a big difference between most effective, maximum effective, and maximum ranges of a weapon...

I've taken many shots at that distance, I know the fucking drill, I know how a spotter works and what their job is... I was an 0311, 8531, and 8541 in the USMC. And ANY sniper will tell you that beyond the MAX effective range for your weapon is a whole lot of luck... Sure there's skill involved, you still have to be an EXCELLENT shot to even stand a chance of hitting your target but at that level the skill is a given. So to me, it's all luck...

I'm much more impressed by someone that can hit a point target within the max effective range of his weapon repeatedly without missing, while wind conditions are changing. THAT is a solid two man team. Not to mention stalking/tracking skills. Firing a weapon is really a very small part of what a sniper does. Positioning for the shot so you aren't seen when taking the shot... now THAT is all skill ;)
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I think your terminology is confused here or something there's a big difference between most effective, maximum effective, and maximum ranges of a weapon...

I've taken many shots at that distance, I know the fucking drill, I know how a spotter works and what their job is... I was an 0311, 8531, and 8541 in the USMC. And ANY sniper will tell you that beyond the MAX effective range for your weapon is a whole lot of luck... Sure there's skill involved, you still have to be an EXCELLENT shot to even stand a chance of hitting your target but at that level the skill is a given. So to me, it's all luck...

I'm much more impressed by someone that can hit a point target within the max effective range of his weapon repeatedly without missing, while wind conditions are changing. THAT is a solid two man team. Not to mention stalking/tracking skills. Firing a weapon is really a very small part of what a sniper does. Positioning for the shot so you aren't seen when taking the shot... now THAT is all skill ;)
Thanks for your service. I spent 12 years as Airborne Infantry with the 82nd Airborne Division...so I too know a little bit about what we are speaking of. He duplicated the first shot...so to me there was not a lot of luck...he and his spotter were damn good and had a little luck. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
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The Bayonet Charge


The battle began when over 100 Mahdi army fighters ambushed two unarmored vehicles transporting around 20 Argylls on the isolated Route Six highway near the southern city of Amarah. Ensconced in trenches along the road, the militiamen fired mortars, rocket propelled grenades, and machine gun rounds. The vehicles stopped and British troops returned fire. The Mahdi barrage caused enough damage to force the troops to exit the vehicles.The soldiers quickly established a defensive perimeter and radioed for reinforcements from the main British base at Amarah ? Camp Abu Naji. Reinforcements from the Princess of Wales?s Royal Regiment assisted the Argyles in an offensive operation against the Mahdi militiamen. When ammunition ran low among the British troops, the decision was made to fix bayonets for a direct assault.



The British soldiers charged across 600 feet of open ground toward enemy trenches. They engaged in intense hand-to-hand fighting with the militiamen. Despite being outnumbered and lacking ammunition, the Argylls and Princess of Wales troops routed the enemy. The British troops killed about 20 militiamen in the bayonet charge and between 28 and 35 overall. Only three British soldiers were injured.This incident marked the first time in 22 years that the British Army used bayonets in action. The previous incident occurred during the Falklands War in 1982.




II. Why the Bayonet Charge Was a Tactical Success

The bayonet charge by British troops in Basra achieved tactical success primarily because of psychological and cultural factors. It also shows that superior firepower does not guarantee success by either side. In this case, the value of surprise, countering enemy expectations, and strict troop discipline were three deciding characteristics of the bayonet charge.


Surprise as a Weapon


The Mahdi fighters likely expected the British convoy to continue past the attack. Previous convoys of British vehicles had driven through ambush fire. British military sources believe the militiamen miscalculated the response of the convoy and expected the Scots to flee.

Enemy Expectation that Coalition Troops Would Avoid Combat


Propaganda by Sunni and Shiite jihadists regularly advertised the perception that American and British soldiers were cowards. Similar rhetoric increased after the battles of Fallujah in April2004, perhaps to steady the resolve of militia fighters in the face of aggressive coalition attacks.




"I wanted to put the fear of God into the enemy. I could see some dead bodies and eight blokes, some scrambling for their weapons. I?ve never seen such a look of fear in anyone?s eyes before. I?m over six feet; I was covered in sweat, angry, red in the face, charging in with a bayonet and screaming my head off. You would be scared, too."

Corporal Brian Wood
Princess of Wales?s Royal Regiment



"There was a lot of aggression and a lot of hand-to-hand fighting. It wasn?t a pleasant scene. Some did get cut with the blades of the bayonet as we tumbled around, but in the end, they surrendered and were controlled. I do wonder how they regard life so cheaply. Some of these Iraqis in those trenches were 15 years old ? against trained soldiers."

Colonel Mark Byers
Princess of Wales?s Royal Regiment

Strict Discipline

A crucial distinction during the bayonet charge was the professional discipline of the British troops in contrast to the disunity and confusion of the militia fighters. Irregular militia often fight with passion and benefit from knowledge of the local terrain. Professional soldiers, however, formally trained in tactics and squad unity can often overcome these and other obstacles. During the bayonet charge, the soldiers rarely lost their nerve and not a single soldier lost his life.
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Thanks for your service. I spent 12 years as Airborne Infantry with the 82nd Airborne Division...so I too know a little bit about what we are speaking of. He duplicated the first shot...so to me there was not a lot of luck...he and his spotter were damn good and had a little luck. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
Hahah fair enough, and thank you for yours as well... I only did my four years and got out though... thankfully, I didn't deploy to a combat zone
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There are so many hardcore guys in this thread it makes me wonder why you're all wasting your time and incredible talent here and not out being mercenaries.

The pay is much better and when you don't like someone, rather than flame them on a keyboard, you get to kill them.

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The pay is much better and when you don't like someone, rather than flame them on a keyboard, you get to kill them.

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lol i was noticing the bad-assedness of the posters here too..

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The pay is much better and when you don't like someone, rather than flame them on a keyboard, you get to kill them.

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The real money in mercenary work is not what it used to be in the 60s and 70s. You would be surprised how little, compared to lifestyle and risks involved, is paid. $150k a year is not all that much for what you have to do and go through for it, and that is top dollar in this day and age.




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The real money in mercenary work is not what it used to be in the 60s and 70s. You would be surprised how little, compared to lifestyle and risks involved, is paid. $150k a year is not all that much for what you have to do and go through for it, and that is top dollar in this day and age.




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Everyone buys this all as fact... I don't doubt the shot but the target was probably just some kid and his goat.
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?The first round hit a machinegunner in the stomach and killed him outright,? said Harrison, a Corporal of Horse. ?He went straight down and didn?t move.

?The second insurgent grabbed the weapon and turned as my second shot hit him in the side. He went down, too. They were both dead.?
Great thread Fletch



I reckon with both shots, maybe the sniper aimed high (as you should). When I trained for CP, I was taught to aim high for distance & low with handguns as the gun always tilts slightly up with the shot. I suppose the aiming high is because the distance it has to travel with gravity & all the velosity posts above.

However the sniper did a perfect job.
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The Bayonet Charge


The battle began when over 100 Mahdi army fighters ambushed two unarmored vehicles transporting around 20 Argylls on the isolated Route Six highway near the southern city of Amarah. Ensconced in trenches along the road, the militiamen fired mortars, rocket propelled grenades, and machine gun rounds. The vehicles stopped and British troops returned fire. The Mahdi barrage caused enough damage to force the troops to exit the vehicles.The soldiers quickly established a defensive perimeter and radioed for reinforcements from the main British base at Amarah ? Camp Abu Naji. Reinforcements from the Princess of Wales?s Royal Regiment assisted the Argyles in an offensive operation against the Mahdi militiamen. When ammunition ran low among the British troops, the decision was made to fix bayonets for a direct assault.



The British soldiers charged across 600 feet of open ground toward enemy trenches. They engaged in intense hand-to-hand fighting with the militiamen. Despite being outnumbered and lacking ammunition, the Argylls and Princess of Wales troops routed the enemy. The British troops killed about 20 militiamen in the bayonet charge and between 28 and 35 overall. Only three British soldiers were injured.This incident marked the first time in 22 years that the British Army used bayonets in action. The previous incident occurred during the Falklands War in 1982.




II. Why the Bayonet Charge Was a Tactical Success

The bayonet charge by British troops in Basra achieved tactical success primarily because of psychological and cultural factors. It also shows that superior firepower does not guarantee success by either side. In this case, the value of surprise, countering enemy expectations, and strict troop discipline were three deciding characteristics of the bayonet charge.


Surprise as a Weapon


The Mahdi fighters likely expected the British convoy to continue past the attack. Previous convoys of British vehicles had driven through ambush fire. British military sources believe the militiamen miscalculated the response of the convoy and expected the Scots to flee.

Enemy Expectation that Coalition Troops Would Avoid Combat


Propaganda by Sunni and Shiite jihadists regularly advertised the perception that American and British soldiers were cowards. Similar rhetoric increased after the battles of Fallujah in April2004, perhaps to steady the resolve of militia fighters in the face of aggressive coalition attacks.




"I wanted to put the fear of God into the enemy. I could see some dead bodies and eight blokes, some scrambling for their weapons. I?ve never seen such a look of fear in anyone?s eyes before. I?m over six feet; I was covered in sweat, angry, red in the face, charging in with a bayonet and screaming my head off. You would be scared, too."

Corporal Brian Wood
Princess of Wales?s Royal Regiment



"There was a lot of aggression and a lot of hand-to-hand fighting. It wasn?t a pleasant scene. Some did get cut with the blades of the bayonet as we tumbled around, but in the end, they surrendered and were controlled. I do wonder how they regard life so cheaply. Some of these Iraqis in those trenches were 15 years old ? against trained soldiers."

Colonel Mark Byers
Princess of Wales?s Royal Regiment

Strict Discipline

A crucial distinction during the bayonet charge was the professional discipline of the British troops in contrast to the disunity and confusion of the militia fighters. Irregular militia often fight with passion and benefit from knowledge of the local terrain. Professional soldiers, however, formally trained in tactics and squad unity can often overcome these and other obstacles. During the bayonet charge, the soldiers rarely lost their nerve and not a single soldier lost his life.
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