Contact Info for KinkyGFs.com??

[Abbie]

These guys are being evasive and are using stolen content from http://onhercam.com on their site and within their site.



They are using my content of my model, Evelyn (also a model from GodsGirls.com)...they went as far as to photoshop cum on her face.



They're being evasive with the DMCA's and I know they post here.

[Agent 488]

maybe users uploaded them.

[Abbie]

EDIT: here's the image that was taken from her profile.

[Abbie]

In fact the video below that pic of Evelyn: http://www.kinkygfs.com/t7/ is of Bree Lynn ... another OHC model and GodsGirls model. And I also see Eden from GodsGirls / OHC too.

[Abbie]

Hey Sickbucks, if you see this, I believe that the people behind http://www.punkbucks.com/ sold you that content. Can you hit me up at onhercam at gmail dot com ... I apologize to you if this is indeed the case.

PunkBucks, if you read this... it seems I've managed to unravel something you don't want unraveled and you are selling content WE own. Several of our models are pretty angry right now ...

_______________________

From: Missy Starr <[email protected]>
Date: April 19, 2010 9:27:35 PM PDT
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: dangerous doll sets

Hi sweetie. right now we are looking for diy sets as we have a shortage of them. if you are not familiar with what that is let me explain. a diy is a self shot, shot by a friend, or non staff photographer set. it is made of at least 40 photos and starts clothed and ends nude. right now diys are going up a lot faster. we do also enjoy pro sets if you have a staff photographer near you. no web cam shot sets, they must be done with an actual camera.

i am also attaching a copy of our new release for you to fill out and email back to me.
this must be done even if you have done one before. if you have any questions or concerns please let me know.

You must PRINT and SIGN the NEW release.
also send a picture of id exacty like girl on the left
http://www.sickbucks.com/content-pro...quirements.htm

No pay will be issued until these are recieved.

and if you have not yet done so please update your profile information.

if you have any questions please email me and i would be happy to answer any of them

--
Missy Starr
Model Liaison
thedangerousdolls.com

[TheDA]

Maybe DMCA their other providers too?

[OldSchoolJim]

Hey Abbie...hit my ICQ.....i am sure i can get this sorted out for you

[Mutt]

there's nothing in that copy n pasted email from PunkBucks that suggests they are doing anything of the sort - PunkBucks as far as I know are very legit.

SickBucks on the other hand are thieves, they don't buy content, they steal it. Old School Jim and X Rated J.

[OldSchoolJim]

Originally Posted by Mutt

there's nothing in that copy n pasted email from PunkBucks that suggests they are doing anything of the sort - PunkBucks as far as I know are very legit.

SickBucks on the other hand are thieves, they don't buy content, they steal it. Old School Jim and X Rated J.

Well Mutt...once again you are wrong....we DO own the content on kinky 100% and are also the new (50%)owners of dangerousdolls....but i dont feel the need to go into interoffice politics with you
as all you do is try to stir the GFY pot with your nonsense....this is a simple mistake made on who owns what part of the site...nothing more....please do not try to read anything into it other than it is....

[Mutt]

thanks for the info - now i know who to sue, watch what you say on a public messageboard, you have MY content as well.

[fatfoo]

Stealing content sure is not good. People can take pictures from FHGs and use those pictures to link to FHGs, that's fine. If they take a photo and use it for purposes other than promoting the correct site, than it's not good. Stealing long 15-minute videos from a paid member's area of the site (not just 2 minute previews) is even worse. Lots of tube sites out there steal long quality videos that are only available in the paysite member's area if the user pays $30 or whatever amount to get inside. They could leave some words on the video which is the correct paysite name to get the sale, like "Kinky GFs."

Evelyn is a thin young woman with a colorful tattoo of a goose on her arm. She has a pierced nose and possibly her lips on her mouth had plastic surgery. She has black hair. Is it wrong to photoshop cum on her face? It is wrong if someone who does not own the content does it, or it is wrong if the person in the photo did not consent to it.

Maybe this problem got sorted out and there was no stealing content, but some transfers of ownership of the content with consent of Evelyn to have cum photoshopped on her face. No, I don't know any contact information for KinkyGFs.com. Just to steal photos or videos is one thing. To steal photos and videos and to put a completely different site logo on them is even worse. Of course, the content has to be used only by a person authorized to use the content. That is the way I think it is.

Now having said that, some TGPs out there are using photos from FHGs which link to the FHGs. However, they don't send 100% of the traffic from the photos to the FHGs. Sometimes they skim 50% or some other percentage of clicked traffic to go to the FHG from the photo. This is an acceptable thing. Some traffic goes to the FHG and some traffic goes to traffic trades from the content photo. However, to link the photo to a completely different site (with 100% traffic going to that site) is completely wrong. A photoshop of cum on her face is even more wrong.

The DMCA is a document which probably has some powers in court. Probably it is the document that proves that the models are 18+ and it proves who owns the content. Maybe it can also be used for tax purposes and perhaps you have to get some kind of licenses to do certain porn. In some areas, you have to get a stripper license to act like a stripper. Stealing and providing bad quality service (which is almost the same thing) is wrong. Good luck to GodsGirls.com and Abbie.

[Abbie]

So wait, Jim, forgive me because I dont know who u are. Are you the owner of sickbucks or another program? And you own kinkygfs.com and dangerousdolls both? I'm a bit lost and want to be sure I'm on the right page.

Also, does sickbucks or you own http://www.exgfsvids.com/ too? I'm told they do but I want to be sure.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

Stealing content sure is not good. People can take pictures from FHGs and use those pictures to link to FHGs, that's fine. If they take a photo and use it for purposes other than promoting the correct site, than it's not good. Stealing long 15-minute videos from a paid member's area of the site (not just 2 minute previews) is even worse. Lots of tube sites out there steal long quality videos that are only available in the paysite member's area if the user pays $30 or whatever amount to get inside. They could leave some words on the video which is the correct paysite name to get the sale, like "Kinky GFs."

Evelyn is a thin young woman with a colorful tattoo of a goose on her arm. She has a pierced nose and possibly her lips on her mouth had plastic surgery. She has black hair. Is it wrong to photoshop cum on her face? It is wrong if someone who does not own the content does it, or it is wrong if the person in the photo did not consent to it.

Maybe this problem got sorted out and there was no stealing content, but some transfers of ownership of the content with consent of Evelyn to have cum photoshopped on her face. No, I don't know any contact information for KinkyGFs.com. Just to steal photos or videos is one thing. To steal photos and videos and to put a completely different site logo on them is even worse. Of course, the content has to be used only by a person authorized to use the content. That is the way I think it is.

Now having said that, some TGPs out there are using photos from FHGs which link to the FHGs. However, they don't send 100% of the traffic from the photos to the FHGs. Sometimes they skim 50% or some other percentage of clicked traffic to go to the FHG from the photo. This is an acceptable thing. Some traffic goes to the FHG and some traffic goes to traffic trades from the content photo. However, to link the photo to a completely different site (with 100% traffic going to that site) is completely wrong. A photoshop of cum on her face is even more wrong.

The DMCA is a document which probably has some powers in court. Probably it is the document that proves that the models are 18+ and it proves who owns the content. Maybe it can also be used for tax purposes and perhaps you have to get some kind of licenses to do certain porn. In some areas, you have to get a stripper license to act like a stripper. Stealing and providing bad quality service (which is almost the same thing) is wrong. Good luck to GodsGirls.com and Abbie.

[Abbie]

Well I've spoken to Jim and matters have been cleared up and he's handling it. As I suspected I believe its DK aka Dragon of PunkBucks who's being deceitful.

Thanks to Jim for handling his end of things.

[DK]

Abbie careful what you say you have no idea what your talking about.
A bunch of Dolls were commissioned for side work by Jim for legal content in his sites. They were all paid and signed his releases. They new it was ex girlfriend content. How am I being deceitful?

[Abbie]

DK, i saw your communications with models and how deceitful you were about stuff. Sure they did content but you lied and deceived them about what it was for.

And no, Evelyn did not sign the sickbucks release. This came to our attention on April 7th. You didn't start demanding Sickbucks releases until April 19th from Evelyn ... yesterday. Her images (images WE OWN) have been up and live since at least April 7th and I never ever licensed or sold that content to you or anyone within your business.

It's clear that you are deceiving girls in order to get this content. I know of at least 4 girls who were on that site and had no clue they were on that site, much less with cum photoshopped on their faces nor having any clue about who sickbucks was until yesterday. And to say they won't get paid unless they sign the sickbucks release? wtf kinda blackmail tactics is that???

[J. Falcon]

[Dirty Lord]

mmmmm, smexy

[DK]

Abbie, your clueless

[Abbie]

Originally Posted by DK

Abbie, your clueless

and you're caught.

Get your stories straight. You're saying one thing on here...told Evelyn another and told others yet another thing. Even your photographer (DangerNinja) was a bit peeved to see his work on this site.

I'm sure if you had been honest about things, girls would have done content for you, instead you were deceitful and now have a collection of angry models and webmasters/photographers to deal with.

[DK]

We never approved evelyns photos or Adora's and a few others.
I contacted jim immediatly this morning when I was informed and he is removing them.
I'm sure Jim told you these were never approved so go look for some other witch to hunt.

jim has over a dozen legal sets by Dolls who are in full disclosure of what it was for, even instructed on how to take the sets to look like ex girlfriend sets.

as i said before your clueless so assume away.

[gleem]

Just DMCA the host, and the upstream including the registrar, seems to work with them.

[Varius]

This is a fairly simple situation to understand. For those that want the real story, here it is, for those who only seek drama and conspiracy, well I guess nothing I say will ever satisfy you.

As he mentioned above, Jim is indeed a part-owner in The Dangerous Dolls.

Some of our models/Dolls were contacted to provide content for his other sites; many agreed and signed his releases and were paid for their content for his ex-GF sites.

There was an apparent mis-communication with his staff, who believed as he was now an owner in the Dolls that they could take and use any and all content from the site for their sites. This is NOT the case.

As we were made aware of it, Jim has had the unlicensed content removed and I'm sure has clarified things to his staff.

As for asking the Dolls' to sign a new release form, that is due to the fact Jim wanted brand new releases signed and up to his standards, instead of using our old ones. Nothing too out of the ordinary with such a request. The release in question was still for Dolls, not a blanket release form for their content to be used anywhere and everywhere.

DK had absolutely nothing to do with this and is definitely not being deceitful with the models. The Dangerous Dolls is his passion and if any of you know him, you'd realize with all he has sacrificed this past year he wouldn't throw that all away on the few hundred bucks he could make selling the content.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled drama.

[fris]

rogue employees

[Varius]

Originally Posted by fris

rogue employees

I was expecting that comment

However, in this case, as far as we know it is the case. Why contact and buy content from many of the models, to then only steal a set from 2-3? To save what, 200$-300$ ? The situation really was, IMO, that the designers/staff at SickBucks were not aware that Jim's investment into Dolls was a separate venture from their ex-GF sites and was not a full-access pass to the content.

[Agent 488]

SickBucks seems to have trouble paying affiliates so doubt they will be around much longer anyway.

[Dwreck]

I know all parties involved and talked to Dk this morning. Were working this out thanks!

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Abbie

So wait, Jim, forgive me because I dont know who u are. Are you the owner of sickbucks or another program? And you own kinkygfs.com and dangerousdolls both? I'm a bit lost and want to be sure I'm on the right page.

Also, does sickbucks or you own http://www.exgfsvids.com/ too? I'm told they do but I want to be sure.

http://serversiders.com/exgfsvids.com

[Abbie]

I still call bullshit.

The content you guys had your model manager contact Evelyn about was quite obviously exgf content...and lead her to believe it was for DD as DIY sets in that same email from your model coordinator (who even tweeted herself she had no clue about this). Then you try to force her into signing that sickbucks release in the very same email and threaten to not pay her?

Yeah. Ok.

[Varius]

Originally Posted by Abbie

I still call bullshit.

The content you guys had your model manager contact Evelyn about was quite obviously exgf content...and lead her to believe it was for DD as DIY sets in that same email from your model coordinator (who even tweeted herself she had no clue about this). Then you try to force her into signing that sickbucks release in the very same email and threaten to not pay her?

Yeah. Ok.

Call it whatever you like. You may as well take your models with you back to GodsGirls (which, may I add they were only too happy to drop for the Dolls due to payment issues - so stop accusing DK of poaching them) if it means we don't have to listen to your biased theories anymore.

[Abbie]

I don't own GodsGirls ... we work with GodsGirls and have never had a prob with them. I own OnHerCam and other sites.

[Varius]

Originally Posted by Abbie

I don't own GodsGirls ... we work with GodsGirls and have never had a prob with them. I own OnHerCam and other sites.

I understand that, I never claimed you owned GodsGirls just that you provide models to them.

What I was referring to were your previous comments accusing us of poaching models from that site; which we don't do, we don't actively pursue any models from other sites, however, if they apply we happily accept them in most cases. Many have mentioned they left GG due to payment issues, I was under the impression some of those who complained work for/with you; if I'm wrong there, no problem, just ignore my comments related to that.

[alexchechs]

I cant even put my two cents in here so I will put my sig instead... hope it gets worked out...

Abbie I had no idea you were in NYC....

[DigitalTheory]

Glad it is getting straightened out. Abbie on the case, once again

I would so hire Abbie to do some DMCA work haha, from what I seen she kicks ass and takes names.

[AmeliaG]

What Alex said.

PS Can someone from OnHerCam pretty please get back to me. Thanks

[fris]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

SickBucks seems to have trouble paying affiliates so doubt they will be around much longer anyway.

they dont have trouble paying, you just need to hunt them down to get paid.

[Abbie]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What Alex said.

PS Can someone from OnHerCam pretty please get back to me. Thanks

Hey Amelia, I'll have Derek hit ya back

[gleem]

HA! too funny, too funny!

[LoveSandra]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon