Want people to promote your sites? Affiliate programs READ this as I'm getting PISSEDDDDD

[iwantchixx]

In my quests within this past month I have wasted SOOO much time signing up to new programs, collecting links and content that these are issues that pretty much made me skip using many of them.

1. Review process. I don't have time to sit and put my multiple site builds on ice for 2 days while you approve me. Sorry, I'm going to close the window and find something else to fill that space. It's better to kick someone for misuse than deter people using your sites in a campaign altogether.

2. Email webmaster for content and hosted galleries. Again, don't have time to wait for you to send me an email back after many days. I'll use another program to fill the space.

3. No webmaster page. Many CCbill sites are guilty of this. They have a signup page but nothing except a welcome email from ccbill with no info on where to get content/galleries/link codes. Sign into CCBill and find a single banner with a single link code in the admin panel. Unhelpful.

4. 1000 hosted galleries in a delimited text view with no way to view each one aside from having to copy&paste every single one of them to pick out 10 that I am needing to use.

5. Using ONLY paxum and wires to pay affiliates. What????? Seriously.. you are NOT getting my banking information NOR am I trusting another fly-by-night organization that mimicks epass.

6. MANY MANY MANY Voyeur sites with kids in their tour.. Uhm... I don't care what defines nudism against porn but where I come from pushing anything with naked kids will land me in jail.

I'm not trying to bitch and moan but after spending this past 2 hours looking through about 15 new sponsors I have found ONE that was able to provide hosted galleries that I can view after signing up. That two hours could have better been spent jerking off to a bucket of paint or building a complete site with content in it.

[Agent 488]

it's depressing going through a list of programs when starting a new project. most of them are garbage or abandoned. hell a large part of them you can even sign up or login and when you do there is literally nothing in the affiliates area, not even a link code.

[INever]

I have a good program.

[Sly]

ICQ please.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

1. Review process. I don't have time to sit and put my multiple site builds on ice for 2 days while you approve me. Sorry, I'm going to close the window and find something else to fill that space. It's better to kick someone for misuse than deter people using your sites in a campaign altogether.

I hate this too. I'm signing up to a program because I want to put them up RIGHT NOW, not the next day.

I signed up for one company - no names mentioned - and sent in multiple emails and heard nothing. Four months later suddenly I'm approved. Very odd.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I signed up for one company - no names mentioned - and sent in multiple emails and heard nothing. Four months later suddenly I'm approved. Very odd.

Sry, was at the bathroom

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I hate this too. I'm signing up to a program because I want to put them up RIGHT NOW, not the next day.

I signed up for one company - no names mentioned - and sent in multiple emails and heard nothing. Four months later suddenly I'm approved. Very odd.

yeah i wont name names either but I JUST finished up signing up to one. it said I have to email them a link showing that i own the domain I will use. No problem. it says I can sitll access everything in the meantime.

I took a screenshot of the admin interface showing I am administrator of the domain and emialed it to them. Then they send an email after signing up that states I have to post somethng about their site on my domain before they will approve it. Whatever.. the one I sent will do or I just wont use them. So I try to log in to see what they have.. account does not exist.

FFS.

Im shutting everything down and calling it a day. barely anything accomplished today.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

4. 1000 hosted galleries in a delimited text view with no way to view each one aside from having to copy&paste every single one of them to pick out 10 that I am needing to use.

firefox, right click, open in new tab.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

firefox, right click, open in new tab.

Middle clicking is supposed to do the same.

Problem is they don't hyperlink the galleries.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Well I will put my hat in the ring.

COnsider sending to SDACASH, I am always about, I keep no affiliate waiting, I set up custom ad's if needed and content. I am up and running nearly 14 hours a day and available anytime.

Straight up CCBILL program and has some hosted galleries and banners. What you need that you do not see I can make for you within a short period of time custom.

No Bullshit.

[waltgator]

good stuff to read, we are starting out & after many years in the production side we noticed that the affiliate side wasnt being treated properly..hope that changes and hope we can help as well....
Cheers,
Walt

[bigluv]

No proper contact information on the site is good for a laugh.
Having to come here and search the forums for an ICQ that's active ...

[Vjo]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

1. Review process. I don't have time to sit and put my multiple site builds on ice for 2 days while you approve me. Sorry, I'm going to close the window and find something else to fill that space. It's better to kick someone for misuse than deter people using your sites in a campaign altogether.

That is the sign of a loser prog almost always.

The winners know it is way more important to get you promoting.

They are already fucking you up and sucking up your time the second you find out you need to be approved.

Typically these are NOT old school pros but rather new school lamers.

[sicone]

Originally Posted by Vjo

That is the sign of a loser prog almost always.

The winners know it is way more important to get you promoting.

They are already fucking you up and sucking up your time the second you find out you need to be approved.

Typically these are NOT old school pros but rather new school lamers.

With the amount of affiliate fraud these days, it seems that more companies are moving to the practice of approving affiliates. I do agree that it sucks ass when it takes days for them to get back to you.

[Peter Romero]

My sign up process is imediate and so is your linking codes! See sig! I live on this gawd damn machine and I'll get you anything you need including a free pass to all my sites. See sig.

[Vjo]

Originally Posted by sicone

With the amount of affiliate fraud these days, it seems that more companies are moving to the practice of approving affiliates. I do agree that it sucks ass when it takes days for them to get back to you.

True but they can always can ya

I dont really mind approval that bad. But as I look back most of my best payers never approved me. And I remember a couple real stinkers who had to approve me.

So not real scientific just my experience.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by Peter Romero

My sign up process is imediate and so is your linking codes! See sig! I live on this gawd damn machine and I'll get you anything you need including a free pass to all my sites. See sig.

Thanks, there's a few in there I can use actually. Looks like I'm already signed up n forgot lol Quite a few things I can use in there actually. Adding many to the list right now. I'm falling in love with one of the girls in a gallery right now actually and forgot to finish this post lol. I'd love a pass to see more of "passion" mmhmm

[Konda]

I rather use an affiliate program that has a strict review/approval process than one that just accepts everyone. By just accepting anyone they risk a lot of fraud and carding, which is a huge risk to the other (honest) affiliates in their program, because it can end up with the program losing their merchant account/processing + huge fines, which can result in the program not paying the affiliates and closing it's doors. It happend many times in the past years.

[Adam_M]

Sent out around 80 emails to sponsors in the last week, to this point 4 replies!

[Peter Romero]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Thanks, there's a few in there I can use actually. Looks like I'm already signed up n forgot lol Quite a few things I can use in there actually. Adding many to the list right now. I'm falling in love with one of the girls in a gallery right now actually and forgot to finish this post lol. I'd love a pass to see more of "passion" mmhmm

She was one of about 200 "Only-timers" on my sites. Hit me up on ICQ and I'll give you a pass. Toodles!

[DirtyDanza]

were instant on approving affiliates as well.. plus we give you a choice on how you get paid...

everything you ask for we have...


check the sig and feel free to contact me on skype for anything you need....

[sicone]

Originally Posted by Adam_M

Sent out around 80 emails to sponsors in the last week, to this point 4 replies!

This is what annoys me the most. Specially since more often then not it's just something quick that I need or have a question on.

[glowlite]

Auto approvals are a good reason to bypass a program IMO.
To approve any/all affiliate requests willy-nilly instantly says much about the programs biz model. Why would you allow immediate download access to millions of dollars worth of content? Must not have much value.

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

1. Review process. I don't have time to sit and put my multiple site builds on ice for 2 days while you approve me. Sorry, I'm going to close the window and find something else to fill that space. It's better to kick someone for misuse than deter people using your sites in a campaign altogether.


3. No webmaster page. Many CCbill sites are guilty of this. They have a signup page but nothing except a welcome email from ccbill with no info on where to get content/galleries/link codes. Sign into CCBill and find a single banner with a single link code in the admin panel. Unhelpful.



5. Using ONLY paxum and wires to pay affiliates. What????? Seriously.. you are NOT getting my banking information NOR am I trusting another fly-by-night organization that mimicks epass.


I'm not trying to bitch and moan but after spending this past 2 hours looking through about 15 new sponsors I have found ONE that was able to provide hosted galleries that I can view after signing up. That two hours could have better been spent jerking off to a bucket of paint or building a complete site with content in it.

I agree with all these sir. A while ago someone posted why was i signed up to so many programs and not sending hardly any of them traffic? There were alot of theories kicked around but your gripes about sum it up...I get approval emails sometimes up to a week after i signed up...a week! And alot of nats programs dont tell you what tools they offer so you got to signup up only to find crap on the other end. Sponsors at the end of the day are just guys trying to make some money like us, but many dont take their business seriously.

Im too young to wait man i got ADD if you make me wait im gone!

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Middle clicking is supposed to do the same.

Problem is they don't hyperlink the galleries.

Firefox opens non hyperlinked links.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by glowlite

Auto approvals are a good reason to bypass a program IMO.
To approve any/all affiliate requests willy-nilly instantly says much about the programs biz model. Why would you allow immediate download access to millions of dollars worth of content? Must not have much value.

We manually approve all legit adult webmasters within 2 business days. I know it might be inconvenient but we get porn surfer sign ups and various suspicious sign-ups. Sorry but that is the way it is ...

[DennisK]

I read your post and I don't see a problem for anything you described with Payserve. We have people almost 20 hours a day online to approve accounts. So when you subscribe you can get your galleries instantly

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by DennisK

I read your post and I don't see a problem for anything you described with Payserve. We have people almost 20 hours a day online to approve accounts. So when you subscribe you can get your galleries instantly

Same here. The approval process shouldn't take more than a couple of hours max and maybe half a day at most during the week-end. Usually everyone gets approved within minutes.

[JuicyBunny]

Hi!
You wont have any of those complaints with us.

We are new program. Amateur niche and micro-niched within for Asian, Latina and Ebony Traffic.
We shoot most of the content, Friends shoot the rest.
Converting at 25 signups with 4300 unique visitors in just 4 weeks. WE NEED YOUR QUALITY TRAFFIC and WE CAN DELIVER!

Getting solid reviews
Nominated for Best Ethnic Amateur Site by UrbanX for 2011 and now 2011.
JanesGuide calls us original and Great! (We got the lightbulb and the ribbon)

We provide links to zipped content almost immediately. Before/After signing up with CCBill you get immediate access to banners and POTD, Galleries, Pics and Vids. Need something specific? Hit us up! We Deliver!
When we opened we are approval/invite only. Now, we allow signups but we check who is signing up.

We offer our members so many perks...WTF!

Promote us, put some effort in, and we will gladly return your effort 1000 times!!!!!!
Dedicated husband and wife team!!!!!

[scouser]

ccbill sites that require you to have their own login system (sometimes with ccbill id + email or some other username) and all they provide is the same as 99% of other sites (eg the 'cookie me' form, then it cookies you - don't even remember your ccbill id) - its fucking annoying cos its never clear what your login details are. and 5 months later unless its a saved pw no chance of working it out cos their forgot password system normally doesn't work.

ones like otcash (can save what galleries you've used/add comments to galleries) and spunkycash (dont need to login to grab urls, content) are ok though.

[wehateporn]

iwantchixx, good post there! I've had similar thoughts. If I sign up I'm normally ready to do a blog update then and there, if I can't get access, I go elsewhere, sometimes I return and sometimes I don't

[DWB]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

If I sign up I'm normally ready to do a blog update then and there, if I can't get access, I go elsewhere, sometimes I return and sometimes I don't

It goes both ways.

How about... instant approval so those with ADD don't have to wait more than a minute for approval. But, when affiliates don't return an email from the company (within the same amount of time you want for approval) when they are trying to reach you on the email you provided, they terminate your account and keep your funds. Fair?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by DWB

It goes both ways.

How about... instant approval so those with ADD don't have to wait more than a minute for approval. But, when affiliates don't return an email from the company (within the same amount of time you want for approval) when they are trying to reach you on the email you provided, they terminate your account and keep your funds. Fair?

For a program to boost their number of active affiliates they should approve quickly. On the long run they will have more active affiliates and make more money.

The amount of time to arrange for payment is unrelated, but it is fair that there be a time limit, just like there is with cashing a cheque.

[DVTimes]

try www.mrban.com

[CamTraffic]

sounds as good as this fucker there
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1027530

[Oracle Porn]

this aint no 2001, you can't ask for anything, you'd be lucky get your money for sales you made with most programs now a days

[DWB]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

For a program to boost their number of active affiliates they should approve quickly. On the long run they will have more active affiliates and make more money.

The amount of time to arrange for payment is unrelated, but it is fair that there be a time limit, just like there is with cashing a cheque.

I see you have a ccbill program in your sig, which means that affiliates are approved instantly. But have you ever went through and checked out the people signing up, clicking on the site they list and try to see what they have and who they are? Ever tried to contact them directly for more info, like what site they may be sending traffic from?

I do (if I don't know them already). And while I don't have an accurate number, I can say that in my experience MANY of them list a BS site or something that has nothing to do with anything or where they may send traffic from. So I send them a friendly email asking what site(s)s they may be sending traffic from. Maybe 10% even bother reply. Some mails even bounce. What am I to think about all the others?

So when I see things like this, I don't question for a second why some programs take longer than others to approve affiliates. I understand people who to sign up and promote a sign right now, but a responsible program has to do their due diligence these days or run the risk of have fraudulent accounts.

Affiliates want it now, I understand that, but you should also want the program to be doing its best to make sure it will continue to be there and be able to pay you.

[Shey]

A lot of programs have started adopting some sort of signup process. These days you have to make sure you are working with legit affiliates. However, that doesn't excuse lack of support or delayed support.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

Well I will put my hat in the ring.

COnsider sending to SDACASH, I am always about, I keep no affiliate waiting, I set up custom ad's if needed and content. I am up and running nearly 14 hours a day and available anytime.

Straight up CCBILL program and has some hosted galleries and banners. What you need that you do not see I can make for you within a short period of time custom.

No Bullshit.

Added some of your stuff to the list. Thanks.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by DWB

I see you have a ccbill program in your sig, which means that affiliates are approved instantly. But have you ever went through and checked out the people signing up, clicking on the site they list and try to see what they have and who they are? Ever tried to contact them directly for more info, like what site they may be sending traffic from?

I do (if I don't know them already). And while I don't have an accurate number, I can say that in my experience MANY of them list a BS site or something that has nothing to do with anything or where they may send traffic from. So I send them a friendly email asking what site(s)s they may be sending traffic from. Maybe 10% even bother reply. Some mails even bounce. What am I to think about all the others?

So when I see things like this, I don't question for a second why some programs take longer than others to approve affiliates. I understand people who to sign up and promote a sign right now, but a responsible program has to do their due diligence these days or run the risk of have fraudulent accounts.

Affiliates want it now, I understand that, but you should also want the program to be doing its best to make sure it will continue to be there and be able to pay you.

it does make sense why they do it, but it's the wait period that's bothersome and disruptive to any schedule set for work. Chances are I will forget the program even exists by the time I need to use the niche again.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Firefox opens non hyperlinked links.

ive been testing that and my firefox installation doesn't do that. Hrm... investigation time me thinks

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

For a program to boost their number of active affiliates they should approve quickly. On the long run they will have more active affiliates and make more money.

The amount of time to arrange for payment is unrelated, but it is fair that there be a time limit, just like there is with cashing a cheque.

Do you honestly have any idea of the difference of Active affiliates versus signed affiliates?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by DWB

I see you have a ccbill program in your sig, which means that affiliates are approved instantly. But have you ever went through and checked out the people signing up, clicking on the site they list and try to see what they have and who they are? Ever tried to contact them directly for more info, like what site they may be sending traffic from?

I do (if I don't know them already). And while I don't have an accurate number, I can say that in my experience MANY of them list a BS site or something that has nothing to do with anything or where they may send traffic from. So I send them a friendly email asking what site(s)s they may be sending traffic from. Maybe 10% even bother reply. Some mails even bounce. What am I to think about all the others?

So when I see things like this, I don't question for a second why some programs take longer than others to approve affiliates. I understand people who to sign up and promote a sign right now, but a responsible program has to do their due diligence these days or run the risk of have fraudulent accounts.

Affiliates want it now, I understand that, but you should also want the program to be doing its best to make sure it will continue to be there and be able to pay you.

I currently don't run any paysites, I promote affiliate content and also do direct deals with sites. CCBill is very useful as it allows me to get started right away.

I do understand the reasons for the delay, but overall it will still lose the sponsor a very large number of affiliate sales on the long term. Ideally, there must be another way of working. Perhaps they could make a small amount available initially (link codes, banners, a couple of hosted galleries), then a lot more on approval.

If there's a really good site, I'll make a note to check back again if I haven't been approved, but otherwise if I do go back it will just be by chance. There are so many different sponsors out there that if one sponsor has a barrier, then we quickly switch to another.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Do you honestly have any idea of the difference of Active affiliates versus signed affiliates?

When I say active affiliate, I'm talking about someone who actively promotes the sponsor. I'm a signed affiliate to hundreds of sites, but if they didn't have what I needed when I needed it I might not get around to going back, as there are just so many to choose from. If they send out a good email, they might get me interested again.

If a sponsor gets to the testing stage and the sales look good, then I promote them again and again, and compare their ratios to my other good sponsors to see who to invest the most time in.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Hi!
You wont have any of those complaints with us.

We are new program. Amateur niche and micro-niched within for Asian, Latina and Ebony Traffic.
We shoot most of the content, Friends shoot the rest.
Converting at 25 signups with 4300 unique visitors in just 4 weeks. WE NEED YOUR QUALITY TRAFFIC and WE CAN DELIVER!

Getting solid reviews
Nominated for Best Ethnic Amateur Site by UrbanX for 2011 and now 2011.
JanesGuide calls us original and Great! (We got the lightbulb and the ribbon)

We provide links to zipped content almost immediately. Before/After signing up with CCBill you get immediate access to banners and POTD, Galleries, Pics and Vids. Need something specific? Hit us up! We Deliver!
When we opened we are approval/invite only. Now, we allow signups but we check who is signing up.

We offer our members so many perks...WTF!

Promote us, put some effort in, and we will gladly return your effort 1000 times!!!!!!
Dedicated husband and wife team!!!!!

INterested, but your websites load slllllowwww at least here

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

In my quests within this past month I have wasted SOOO much time signing up to new programs, collecting links and content that these are issues that pretty much made me skip using many of them.

1. Review process. I don't have time to sit and put my multiple site builds on ice for 2 days while you approve me. Sorry, I'm going to close the window and find something else to fill that space. It's better to kick someone for misuse than deter people using your sites in a campaign altogether.

2. Email webmaster for content and hosted galleries. Again, don't have time to wait for you to send me an email back after many days. I'll use another program to fill the space.

As for 1. It would appear that you have been in this industry long enough to realize how much fraud programs have to deal with on a DAILY basis... considering that, waiting 48 hours for approval is a small thing to ask. 'It's better to kick someone later for misuse?' pardon? do you have any idea how many webmasters are on a major program? We would have to have a team of people working full time on fraud specifically just to catch half the shit that I weed out when people apply.

2. don't most programs have export tools for such things? We do.

If you can't wait 48 and need to get shit done now? contact me, that's all it takes. If not 48 hours is a short time to wait.

Unbelievable how people don't even try to see things from another perspective...

[Lace]

I agree 110% with you. One of the reasons I personally try and stick to ccbill now-a-days. And I know they pay, and will continue to pay.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

As for 1. It would appear that you have been in this industry long enough to realize how much fraud programs have to deal with on a DAILY basis... considering that, waiting 48 hours for approval is a small thing to ask. 'It's better to kick someone later for misuse?' pardon? do you have any idea how many webmasters are on a major program? We would have to have a team of people working full time on fraud specifically just to catch half the shit that I weed out when people apply.

2. don't most programs have export tools for such things? We do.

If you can't wait 48 and need to get shit done now? contact me, that's all it takes. If not 48 hours is a short time to wait.

Unbelievable how people don't even try to see things from another perspective...

1. Fraud protection is not my concern. That's up to the programs to be concerned about it. If the program is so large that it needs a fraud department, again, not my concern. I'm merely stating what is entirely frustrating to deal with. You do realize people who run campaigns, build a lot of sites or do large projects are set to certain schedules they have to maintain? I don't have time to fire off an email to someone who may or may not respond. I also don't have time to sit and wait up to 24 hours to wait for an approval and link to the webmaster tools while I am in the middle of collecting links, content and ad tools for a site I am building in the next 2 hours, then repeat again for another site I will build 2 hours after that. I also don't have time to go check email, collect content and linsk for a site I no longer need because I found a replacement afterwards. Here's the deal. I understand approvals.. I have NO issues with it, but programs NEED to give us access to webmaster areas to start building right away otherwise they are missing out. People don't just build galleries all day and submit anymore. Marketing techniques are vast and the fact that the more you build the better really holds to a strict schedule. Time is key. Time costs money and nerves. I fully respect that programs have rules they have in place for signup processes but I will not use them if by the time I have access to the tools my site is already built.

most programs list in a text view for galleries exportable html that's not href'ed is useless when there's 1000's to copy and paste (as I I just enabled, right-click open in new tab). Again.. time is money. Going through 1000 galleries that way can take an hour vs 20 minutes when href'ed.

You have people in this thread (including me) telling program owners what we want. Program owners will either listen, or not. However if I have to jump through hoops to use a particular program I will move on to the next program. Time is valuable and when I sign up for many sponsors at a time I will easily forget the one that made me wait and once I get an approval email I will be busy doing something else and most likely won't check the webmaster area.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

1. Fraud protection is not my concern. That's up to the programs to be concerned about it. If the program is so large that it needs a fraud department, again, not my concern. I'm merely stating what is entirely frustrating to deal with. You do realize people who run campaigns, build a lot of sites or do large projects are set to certain schedules they have to maintain? I don't have time to fire off an email to someone who may or may not respond. I also don't have time to sit and wait up to 24 hours to wait for an approval and link to the webmaster tools while I am in the middle of collecting links, content and ad tools for a site I am building in the next 2 hours, then repeat again for another site I will build 2 hours after that. I also don't have time to go check email, collect content and linsk for a site I no longer need because I found a replacement afterwards. Here's the deal. I understand approvals.. I have NO issues with it, but programs NEED to give us access to webmaster areas to start building right away otherwise they are missing out. People don't just build galleries all day and submit anymore. Marketing techniques are vast and the fact that the more you build the better really holds to a strict schedule. Time is key. Time costs money and nerves. I fully respect that programs have rules they have in place for signup processes but I will not use them if by the time I have access to the tools my site is already built.

most programs list in a text view for galleries exportable html that's not href'ed is useless when there's 1000's to copy and paste (as I I just enabled, right-click open in new tab). Again.. time is money. Going through 1000 galleries that way can take an hour vs 20 minutes when href'ed.

You have people in this thread (including me) telling program owners what we want. Program owners will either listen, or not. However if I have to jump through hoops to use a particular program I will move on to the next program. Time is valuable and when I sign up for many sponsors at a time I will easily forget the one that made me wait and once I get an approval email I will be busy doing something else and most likely won't check the webmaster area.

You have confused us with a service... we are a business...

[gleem]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

You have people in this thread (including me) telling program owners what we want. Program owners will either listen, or not. However if I have to jump through hoops to use a particular program I will move on to the next program. Time is valuable and when I sign up for many sponsors at a time I will easily forget the one that made me wait and once I get an approval email I will be busy doing something else and most likely won't check the webmaster area.

So you want instant approval, instant access to galleries, no paxum or wire payout (I assume check then), and galleries you can preview when doing a dump?

Seems like 80% of programs have this, usually it's just ccbill programs that don't and you are losing 10 to 20% of your sales using ccbill anyways.

I guess my program should work for you.