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Old 06-09-2010, 02:04 PM   #51
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Doesn't the DA get to reject potential jurors they don't like. Why didn't they do it then?
Honestly I don't know. I can't imagine why the DA would want "defense-oriented" jurors for any reason other than to protect this guy.
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:01 PM   #52
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Honestly I don't know. I can't imagine why the DA would want "defense-oriented" jurors for any reason other than to protect this guy.
Question: In picking an impartial jury to judge a white cop killing a black man, what makeup of jury do you think would be best? Or is that even possible in this sort of case?

I don't doubt that the guy is guilty, but I find it funny you get on Dog for presuming him innocent when you presume him guilty but presume a non-cop who murdered someone as innocent. You obviously have a hatred of cops...I don't like them myself but I think there's a definite difference between complete wastes of life like this cop and "all cops". They aren't all going around and murdering everyone, or there wouldn't be a story in the news about anything else because all the stories would be cop murder stories.
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:03 PM   #53
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some of the questions asked: LOL Like what tv shows you watch etc...

-- Have you ever written a letter to the editor?

-- List any subject matter or genre in reading materials, television programs or movies that you try to avoid.

-- Do you consider yourself an expert on any subject?

-- Have you ever considered working in law enforcement?

-- Have you, friends or relatives ever had a gun pointed at you or them, or been frightened by a gun?

-- Have you ever visited someone in a jail, prison or juvenile detention facility, or have you ever been incarcerated?

-- Have you or anyone close to you ever had a bad experience with a police officer?

-- Should police officers be treated differently than civilians if they break the law?

-- What should be done to reduce crime?

-- Do police officers lie? If yes, how often?

-- Do you understand the charges are not evidence?

-- Could you fire a gun in self-defense?

-- Will the fact that a white police officer shot and killed a black man make it difficult for you to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?

-- Do you have an opinion as to whether racial discrimination is a problem in Oakland?

-- If you are selected as a juror in this case, do you anticipate any negative reactions by friends or family if you find the defendant guilty? If you find the defendant not guilty?

-- Would you like to serve on this jury? Why?

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I like how they throw in, should cops be treated differently, LOL

the charges may not be evidence, but as this attorney said:

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"Here we have a case where there's no question who pulled the trigger," said Nanci Clarence, a San Francisco defense attorney.
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:17 PM   #54
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Question: In picking an impartial jury to judge a white cop killing a black man, what makeup of jury do you think would be best? Or is that even possible in this sort of case?
I think it's extremely difficult to select a jury in a case like this that everyone will be happy with. This is a case that needs to be treated carefully if we have learned anything about "white cop / black victim" cases in California. Oakland already rioted over this case once. The trial was moved to LA.

My personal opinion is they probably should have tried harder to construct a more diverse jury, and at least put one black person on it so there can be no wild claims after the fact. Another disturbing element of this particular jury is that some of them are "career" jurors, having served in multiple cases before, some of them murder cases. Is that questionable or cool?

I don't know... I've never been in a position to question potential jurors. I truly do not have the answer.
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:26 PM   #55
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I don't doubt that the guy is guilty, but I find it funny you get on Dog for presuming him innocent when you presume him guilty but presume a non-cop who murdered someone as innocent. You obviously have a hatred of cops...I don't like them myself but I think there's a definite difference between complete wastes of life like this cop and "all cops". They aren't all going around and murdering everyone, or there wouldn't be a story in the news about anything else because all the stories would be cop murder stories.
I "got on" baddog for his blatant hypocrisy. Nothing more. He supports the police, but not the law. He claims "innocent until proven guilty" when it's a cop on trial and it suits his agenda, but not a civilian suspect who is killed by the police and denied his day in court. I don't hate all police or the concept of police. I have stated this already. I hate that the criminals dressed up as police get special treatment for the exact same crime that baddog feels another man should be deprived of getting a trial for.

And if there's anyone left that cannot see the difference in that, there's really not much more I can do to shine a light on it.
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:34 PM   #56
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:57 PM   #57
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On a side note:

I took into consideration baddog's point about my use of the term 'pigs' a few weeks ago when referring to police, and he was right. I admit I was wrong to do that and I should have exercised more maturity and respect than that, and so I have not done it since in any of these topics and will not do it in the future. He was 100% on target about that. I let my distrust of the police in general combined with my anger over the criminal acts of some police to override my better judgment. I fully apologize for any disrespect of those doing the job with honor.

My bad manners do not excuse his hypocrisy.
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