Is Obama blaming unemployed problems on GOP

[Vendzilla]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37795273...s-white_house/

Ok, since Obama has taken office, we have seen the unemployment rate jump from 8 to 10 and stay there, now Obama is blaming the GOP for blocking more stimulus money from helping the unemployed, Am I missing something here? did it work the first time? All the money that has been spent by this president, has it helped?
Is anyone else tired of him playing the blame game and want a leader instead of what we now have in the WH?
Obama wants to boost jobs now? Why didn't he want to do that 18 months ago?

And I still want to know when Obama is going to take responsibility for his office and stop blaming Bush? Is what Obama doing working? the answer it NO!

[The Demon]

Yes, where've you been the past 2 years? This is the typical liberal response. Blame the Republicans.

[BFT3K]

I heard he was blaming unemployment on America's obsession with monkey races...

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37795273...s-white_house/

Ok, since Obama has taken office, we have seen the unemployment rate jump from 8 to 10 and stay there, now Obama is blaming the GOP for blocking more stimulus money from helping the unemployed, Am I missing something here? did it work the first time? All the money that has been spent by this president, has it helped?
Is anyone else tired of him playing the blame game and want a leader instead of what we now have in the WH?
Obama wants to boost jobs now? Why didn't he want to do that 18 months ago?

And I still want to know when Obama is going to take responsibility for his office and stop blaming Bush? Is what Obama doing working? the answer it NO!

As to your thread title...the anwser is no...at least not in that article.

[kane]

If I am reading the article correctly this bill would mostly do three things: it would extend unemployment benefits to those without a job. It would extend some tax cuts and the tax credit for first time home buyers and it would remove the 75 million dollar cap on what oil companies must pay to families and small businesses affected by an oil spill.

These all seem pretty reasonable to me.

I suppose you could just let the tax cuts expire, let those who on unemployment figure it out for themselves and keep the cap in place to limit how much BP has to pay out to all those that they have fucked over, but that sounds like a pretty bleak option.

He is blaming the republicans for blocking the bill. They are blocking it because they say it adds too much to the deficit.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by kane

If I am reading the article correctly this bill would mostly do three things: it would extend unemployment benefits to those without a job. It would extend some tax cuts and the tax credit for first time home buyers and it would remove the 75 million dollar cap on what oil companies must pay to families and small businesses affected by an oil spill.

These all seem pretty reasonable to me.

Really? Just how many times should we extend unemployment benefits?

[ThunderBalls]

Nothing like when we had George Bush. Millions lost their jobs and their homes because of Old Bush. That damn guy was the worst president in the history of America. If a person voted for George Bush they sure have no right to talk down about President Obama for sure. Someone that voted for Bush shouldn't talk down about anybody.

[EZRhino]

Originally Posted by kane

If I am reading the article correctly this bill would mostly do three things: it would extend unemployment benefits to those without a job. It would extend some tax cuts and the tax credit for first time home buyers and it would remove the 75 million dollar cap on what oil companies must pay to families and small businesses affected by an oil spill.

Too bad none of that creats jobs or encourages business. What about current home owners who are struggling to pay taxes and keep their home while thier job goes off shore or the company they work for moves to another state becuase of high tax rate? None of that money wil end up in the hands of families. The Dems will find a way to tax it and spend it on welfare programs.

[kane]

Originally Posted by baddog

Really? Just how many times should we extend unemployment benefits?

Good question. I'm sure there are some people collecting unemployment who simply are not looking for a job or trying to find some kind of work, but I think there are a decent number of people who still are looking and are trying to find a job.

Do we just let these people become homeless?

[kane]

Originally Posted by EZRhino

Too bad none of that creats jobs or encourages business. What about current home owners who are struggling to pay taxes and keep their home while thier job goes off shore or the company they work for moves to another state becuase of high tax rate? None of that money wil end up in the hands of families. The Dems will find a way to tax it and spend it on welfare programs.

I never said this money would stimulate the economy, I just said it seemed like reasonable things to spend it on.

I would rather give tax dollars to people who have lost their jobs or give it in the form of tax breaks to someone who is buying a house then give it as a bailout to a bank who played the game and lost and now is crying that they are too big to fail.

[EZRhino]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Nothing like when we had George Bush. Millions lost their jobs and their homes because of Old Bush. That damn guy was the worst president in the history of America. If a person voted for George Bush they sure have no right to talk down about President Obama for sure. Someone that voted for Bush shouldn't talk down about anybody.

Wow are you serious? I voted and I can talk any way I want to about any elected official. And in my opinion Obama is doing a worse job then either Bush. Obama is handing over South west United States to Mexico and is going to bankrupt the gulf coast. Destroy the oil industry and force the US to bend to the will to idiot extremist countries.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by kane

Good question. I'm sure there are some people collecting unemployment who simply are not looking for a job or trying to find some kind of work, but I think there are a decent number of people who still are looking and are trying to find a job.

Do we just let these people become homeless?

There is work out there. You may not like the work, but it is there. I am sorry if you lost your job, but I can not support you. I will not support you.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Nothing like when we had George Bush. Millions lost their jobs and their homes because of Old Bush. That damn guy was the worst president in the history of America. If a person voted for George Bush they sure have no right to talk down about President Obama for sure. Someone that voted for Bush shouldn't talk down about anybody.

Hmm oddly I recall a 4.2% unemployment rating and even a bit lower than that at one point under Bush.. Obviously its his fault that unemployment has over doubled right?

Obama has full control and I if he doesn't have it its awfully close to a super majority. So umm whats been done thus far?

Broken promises on leaving alone medicinal marijuana growers and dispensaries by the fed. lol

Its cool though cause very soon Republicans will have their shot too. Its a seesaw lol

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by baddog

Really? Just how many times should we extend unemployment benefits?

Unemployment has been way too easy for people for quite a while now.

Used to be you had to provide the unemployment office with at least 3 verifiable job searches every week, or you would not get paid.

For years now, the unemployed haven't had to do shit until they are threatened with the end of their unemployment checks - and then guess what?... A good amount of them suck it up and get a fucking job!

I am not for endless unemployment benefits. The system definitely has to be fixed.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Nothing like when we had George Bush. Millions lost their jobs and their homes because of Old Bush. That damn guy was the worst president in the history of America. If a person voted for George Bush they sure have no right to talk down about President Obama for sure. Someone that voted for Bush shouldn't talk down about anybody.

Nothing you said was even remotely accurate.

[kane]

Originally Posted by baddog

There is work out there. You may not like the work, but it is there. I am sorry if you lost your job, but I can not support you. I will not support you.

There is work out there, but not as much work as there are people looking for work. I saw a story on CNN the other day that there are now companies that are hiring, but they have signs up that say, "Not accepting applications if you are unemployed." They say that they want people that they know will be good employees and often those that are unemployed are not. So it just got harder for some people to find a job.

But if we just cut off unemployment really you will still end up supporting them and the cost could be higher than it is now. Without unemployment most will lose their COBRA coverage (if they had it) this means if they have medical problems they will go to the ER and probably not pay and the cost is passed on to others. Without unemployment they will qualify for max food stamps (where they may not have qualified for much before) and if they become homeless they could end up in government subsidized housing. If this person has a kid they could end up on welfare. All of these things we pay for.

In a perfect world the person would just get a job and support themselves. But if they have no job right now I think I would rather pay the unemployment then potentially everything else that could come along with them losing it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Unemployment has been way too easy for people for quite a while now.

Used to be you had to provide the unemployment office with at least 3 verifiable job searches every week, or you would not get paid.

For years now, the unemployed haven't had to do shit until they are threatened with the end of their unemployment checks - and then guess what?... A good amount of them suck it up and get a fucking job!

I am not for endless unemployment benefits. The system definitely has to be fixed.

I agree. If you want to draw unemployment you should have to go back to being forced to provide them with proof that you are looking for a job. It is too easy to milk it right now, but I still think there are a lot of people out there who are out of work, looking and just can't find anything right now.

Reform would help, but it would also create a lot more bureaucracy. I guess we have to decide which is cheaper: just giving out unemployment or hiring and paying all the people it would take to keep track of all the people on unemployment.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by EZRhino

Wow are you serious? I voted and I can talk any way I want to about any elected official. And in my opinion Obama is doing a worse job then either Bush. Obama is handing over South west United States to Mexico and is going to bankrupt the gulf coast. Destroy the oil industry and force the US to bend to the will to idiot extremist countries.

Well then I guess you had your head up your ass when Bush was spying on his own citizens, lying to go to war, giving oil companies huge tax breaks while gas prices doubled, blew a surplus, didnt give a rats ass about the guy who blew up the twin towers, and just about led us into a depression. Guess you also had your head up your ass 18 months ago when the biggest corporations in America were failing daily. Go clean the oil off of some birds with your fucking 'Drill Baby Drill' t-shirt.

[BFT3K]

Some people make money gambling. Even monkeys are gambling nowadays!

[GregE]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Used to be you had to provide the unemployment office with at least 3 verifiable job searches every week, or you would not get paid.

So, lets make them do that again. No problem. Of course, all that will really do is further document what's already painfully obvious. There's damn few jobs out there.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I am not for endless unemployment benefits. The system definitely has to be fixed.

What has to be fixed is the fucking economy. Fix that and you won't have to worry about any of this other shit.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Well then I guess you had your head up your ass when Bush was spying on his own citizens, lying to go to war, giving oil companies huge tax breaks while gas prices doubled, blew a surplus, didnt give a rats ass about the guy who blew up the twin towers, and just about led us into a depression. Guess you also had your head up your ass 18 months ago when the biggest corporations in America were failing daily. Go clean the oil off of some birds with your fucking 'Drill Baby Drill' t-shirt.

[EZRhino]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Well then I guess you had your head up your ass when Bush was spying on his own citizens, lying to go to war, giving oil companies huge tax breaks while gas prices doubled, blew a surplus, didnt give a rats ass about the guy who blew up the twin towers, and just about led us into a depression. Guess you also had your head up your ass 18 months ago when the biggest corporations in America were failing daily. Go clean the oil off of some birds with your fucking 'Drill Baby Drill' t-shirt.

Nice, you have a great opion. And like a typical liberal who cant deal with the what he doesnt like hear, loves to change the subject to talking points printed on the cup of coolaid handed out at the Dem fundraisers. I can say what I want about Obama and any official because I vote. And you are a idiot for thinking that I cant use my First Amendment right because you dont agree with me. I will never say that you shouldnt speak your mind if you dont agree with but I can disagree with you and its my right as well as yours. So if you believe in freedom of speech, practice it. I'll talk down about any elected person all I want and so can you. So fuck off. And Republicans will be in the White House again in 2012.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by GregE

What has to be fixed is the fucking economy. Fix that and you won't have to worry about any of this other shit.

Oh man, you're right! All they have to do is fix the economy!

It is so clear now. Wow!

I hope Obama reads this thread. This is the kind of information he could finally work with!

[HighEnergy]

Originally Posted by baddog

There is work out there. You may not like the work, but it is there. I am sorry if you lost your job, but I can not support you. I will not support you.

You have no choice in the matter baddog. If you are a tax payer you will help support unemployed people and you will help fund extended benefits.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Oh man, you're right! All they have to do is fix the economy!

It is so clear now. Wow!

I hope Obama reads this thread. This is the kind of information he could finally work with!

Or we could go with your idea and just kick all the unemployed to the curb. Then, we can spend even more money sending them welfare checks and dealing with all the lovely consequences of a greatly enlarged underclass.

Brilliant!

I sure hope Rand Paul and Sarah Palin read this and get to benefit from your wisdom.

[kane]

Originally Posted by EZRhino

. And Republicans will be in the White House again in 2012.

Which Republican would that be?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by GregE

Or we could go with your idea and just kick all the unemployed to the curb. Then, we can spend even more money sending them welfare checks and dealing with the consequences of a greatly enlarged underclass.

Brilliant!

I sure hope Rand Paul and Sarah Palin read this and get to benefit from your wisdom.

That wasn't my idea.

That idea doesn't make any sense at all!

I was betting on the toilet cycle to get us out of this mess...

[martinsc]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I heard he was blaming unemployment on America's obsession with monkey races...

[charlie g]

or, you could pack up your shit and move to another country if you dont like the way shit is going down......

[GregE]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

That wasn't my idea.

That idea doesn't make any sense at all!

I was betting on the toilet cycle to get us out of this mess...

That looks like a better idea than some of nonsense I've heard coming out of Washington

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by charlie g

or, you could pack up your shit and move to another country if you dont like the way shit is going down......

I like the way shit is going down, but I am still moving to Outer Mongolia on Tuesday.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I like the way shit is going down, but I am still moving to Outer Mongolia on Tuesday.

Outer Mongolia huh? if you are happy with current conditions in the US then just sit tight for a few years. America will resemble outer mongolia soon enough.

[Kingfish]

Bush and the Republicans shit the national bed there is no other way around it. While in power the Republicans exploded the deficit with two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, and an unfunded prescription drug benefit for seniors. You name it during Bush?s tenure there wasn?t a spending bill that he didn?t like, that cost too much or he was worried about paying for down the road.

As to the unemployment rate shit started rolling down hill during Bush?s last year when the banking crisis occurred. The banking crisis was brought on as a result of a lack of regulation and oversight of the finical sector something that Bush and the Republicans put in place and were big advocates of.

Do I think Bush is personally responsible for high unemployment? No, but I do believe the fiscal and regulatory polices he and the Republicans put in place during his administration are what caused the recession and the resulting high unemployment. The fact of the matter is nobody can cure high unemployment that was eight years in the making in a year and half, and the fact that the republicans blew our collective fiscal load while in power makes it much more difficult.

Most mainstream economists currently agree that we need more government spending right now or we are likely to economically slip backwards instead of forwards. What I know for sure didn?t work was nutty fringe conservative economic theory put into practice. We had two tax cuts under Bush and we were told by the Republicans at the time that top heavy tax cuts would lead to economic prosperity and more government revenue. If what they had said were true or their kook polices worked we would all be living in the land of milk and honey right now, but as anyone can plainly see we are not.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37795273...s-white_house/

Ok, since Obama has taken office, we have seen the unemployment rate jump from 8 to 10 and stay there, now Obama is blaming the GOP for blocking more stimulus money from helping the unemployed, Am I missing something here? did it work the first time? All the money that has been spent by this president, has it helped?
Is anyone else tired of him playing the blame game and want a leader instead of what we now have in the WH?
Obama wants to boost jobs now? Why didn't he want to do that 18 months ago?

And I still want to know when Obama is going to take responsibility for his office and stop blaming Bush? Is what Obama doing working? the answer it NO!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I like the way shit is going down, but I am still moving to Outer Mongolia on Tuesday.

I hear it's lovely this time of year.

[kane]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I like the way shit is going down, but I am still moving to Outer Mongolia on Tuesday.

Can you send some back some Mongolian Beef?

[raven1083]

dude you got some point there

[Sausage]

Why act surprised. Surely you guys knew if you were going to vote for a liberal government you would get spending out the wazoo and a massive expansion of government. Its the same in any country with a liberal government. I am honestly at a loss when I see complaints about Obama spending and spending and ramping up the deficit ... what did you think you were going to get when you voted for a liberal ??! You got exactly what you should have expected to get. You can't blame Obama's adminstration for being true to their nature and philosophy.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Sausage

Why act surprised. Surely you guys knew if you were going to vote for a liberal government you would get spending out the wazoo and a massive expansion of government. Its the same in any country with a liberal government. I am honestly at a loss when I see complaints about Obama spending and spending and ramping up the deficit ... what did you think you were going to get when you voted for a liberal ??! You got exactly what you should have expected to get. You can't blame Obama's adminstration for being true to their nature and philosophy.

I find myself wondering that same thing. Obama said during his campaign he was going to spend money and raise taxes. He is spending money. The tax increases have kicked in too much yet, but they are coming.

[GotGauge]

Unemployment & Welfare are two systems that need Overhauled & Fixed.

I know several people who brag about being on both at the same time, and are making WAY more total than they did when they had jobs. One couple I know, the Female got fired for sleeping around with everyone, and the Male was a school bus driver who his job was seasonal. He is a 23 year old male in good health condition, able to perform any job. She has Children, so that is where the welfare comes in, and pays them several hundred a month in food stamps. All they are required to do is call in and say, Yes I looked for a job, when I know they didn't. They brag how this entire next year will be one fun vacation for them, thanks to the system. Oh lets not forget they only work enough to qualify for the Max Child Earned Income Credit, total with State and Fed, they got back 10K, and NONE of that was what they paid in!

Is everyone like that NO, are there lots of people like that, YES. They system(s) are BROKE, and yes if you put people in charge to Review these cases, they only need to catch a couple a month to pay for their own Salary, so the argument of, it costs to much to police these systems is BS.
If I was to every be on unemployment, I would do what it is intended for, to cover my wages while I LOOKED FULLTIME for a Job.

My Rant!

[GotGauge]

Originally Posted by Kingfish

Bush and the Republicans shit the national bed there is no other way around it. While in power the Republicans exploded the deficit with two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, and an unfunded prescription drug benefit for seniors.

The good thing about all of this, is you can look at things from so many angles.

What I list are NOT Facts, just what I remember hearing over time.

2 Unfunded Wars -- Well, hate to tell you, but Obama is still sending MORE troops, and last I knew we were using seized money from terror groups to help offset the costs.

2 Tax Cuts, well those are about to expire, so lets see what happens, but in Theory the people with the tax cuts invest more, and create jobs.

Again, all this is just ways of 2 sides thinking, since the creation of the parties, these have been the arguments, what way is right or wrong. Honestly I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle, It is all about the $$$$, and who's pockets it is going in!

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by EZRhino

Nice, you have a great opion. And like a typical liberal who cant deal with the what he doesnt like hear, loves to change the subject to talking points printed on the cup of coolaid handed out at the Dem fundraisers. I can say what I want about Obama and any official because I vote. And you are a idiot for thinking that I cant use my First Amendment right because you dont agree with me. I will never say that you shouldnt speak your mind if you dont agree with but I can disagree with you and its my right as well as yours. So if you believe in freedom of speech, practice it. I'll talk down about any elected person all I want and so can you. So fuck off. And Republicans will be in the White House again in 2012.

and when they do and totally fuck shit up like basically every elected official, people will shit all over you and blame you. you also don't seem to like to hear things that don't match your point of view.

[IllTestYourGirls]

We are blaming the wrong thing. Start blaming Keynesian Economics. It is what caused all this.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

If I am reading the article correctly this bill would mostly do three things: it would extend unemployment benefits to those without a job. It would extend some tax cuts and the tax credit for first time home buyers and it would remove the 75 million dollar cap on what oil companies must pay to families and small businesses affected by an oil spill.

These all seem pretty reasonable to me.

I suppose you could just let the tax cuts expire, let those who on unemployment figure it out for themselves and keep the cap in place to limit how much BP has to pay out to all those that they have fucked over, but that sounds like a pretty bleak option.

He is blaming the republicans for blocking the bill. They are blocking it because they say it adds too much to the deficit.

why are those three things bundled together

removing the cap against bp sounds like a good idea
the other two are what would balloon the deficit

why not seperate the two issues.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

We are blaming the wrong thing. Start blaming Keynesian Economics. It is what caused all this.

Finally someone on this forum sees the flaw in Keynesian economics. It has always been a flawed system, a joke. We need get back to classical economics or be bold enough to follow the Austrian School.

[V_RocKs]

The GOP created many of the problems the current administration is having to deal with. When it can't put their fires out fast enough they criticize it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

why are those three things bundled together

removing the cap against bp sounds like a good idea
the other two are what would balloon the deficit

why not seperate the two issues.

Excellent question. They seem to do this kind of thing all the time. I have seen a bunch of instances where very non-related items are bundled together on one bill.

I have a feeling it is because the bill starts out with a few related items on it then a few lawmakers say that in order for them to support it they want to add something to it. After everyone adds their 2 cents it ends up being this crazy bill with 10 completely unrelated things going on.

They need to change that. If a bill is put forth with something you should have to vote yes or no on that item. You shouldn't be able to say, "I'll vote yes if you add this to the bill for me."

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

We are blaming the wrong thing. Start blaming Keynesian Economics. It is what caused all this.

I'm no fan of Keynesian Economics, but they've even managed to fuck that up.

Governments adhering to Keynesian Economics are supposed to stimulate the economy through investment in "infrastructure," NOT bailing out banks.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

The GOP created many of the problems the current administration is having to deal with. When it can't put their fires out fast enough they criticize it.

if that's the case, why didn't they fix those problems before creating new ones?

Been 18 months under Obama, when does he own this mess?

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

if that's the case, why didn't they fix those problems before creating new ones?

Been 18 months under Obama, when does he own this mess?

When will he take responsibility for something?.... Anything?.... You cant blame the GOP forever.

[Babaganoosh]

Ever notice the amount of knowledge one has regarding politics is inversely proportional to the time they want to spend debating politics?