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Barefootsies · 07-11-2010, 09:06 AM

Fiddy Government Hand Out Programs.

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Originally Posted by Gerco

So the whole "you could get a job at McDonalds" and make it is bullshit. I actually make more money having her NOT work and stay home with the kids.

I have heard that one as well. It makes sense to some degree.

I do not have children, nor been in that situation. However, I can imagine with the day care expense alone it could be a losing battle depending on the number of kids you have to pay for. It seems around here day care is like $125-180.00 per week, per child.

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Have you ever tried to find work that you can not only do, but pays enough to actually go and do it if you have kids that require care? Take my wife for example, She took a job as an office manager, and they paid 10 bucks an hour, which is shit pay but they best she can get around here. After paying daycare for 2 kids while she worked and covering just the gas in the car to pick the kids up and get to work she was actually negative 10-15 bucks a week. This is not even including wear and tear on the car, insurance, food, or any other bills that a working parent should be able to cover like electric etc.

Move into a cheaper home. Take the bus to work. Cancel cable TV. You are living beyond your means and it will come back to fuck you in the ass if you do not do something about it.

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Originally Posted by Gerco

So the whole "you could get a job at McDonalds" and make it is bullshit. I actually make more money having her NOT work and stay home with the kids.

I assume you mean you make more from the government if your wife stays at home than if she works, yes? If that is the case you are a leech

If you do not live within your means you will be fucked and hard in the not so distant future. The economy is going to get much worse before it gets any better.

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Fiddy Government Hand Out Programs.

I have heard that one as well. It makes sense to some degree.

I do not have children, nor been in that situation. However, I can imagine with the day care expense alone it could be a losing battle depending on the number of kids you have to pay for. It seems around here day care is like $125-180.00 per week, per child.

Price is the same around here. Daycare is expensive. add 2 + kids to that and your just not going to cut it on 10 bucks and hour.

Course they have "head start" which is kind of like welfare free daycare. Try actually getting into that. There is a waiting list.

Now, also add to the equation that is my example my wife is a collage grad with a decree in accounting and business. Yet, she still can not find better that 10 bucks an hour for a job here.

There are jobs around here that pay 17 bucks an hour. If you have hazmat certs and are willing to go on toxic spill clean ups... 17 bucks an hour to take your life into your own hand and risk everything... great pay eh?

Agent 488 · 07-11-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

Move into a cheaper home. Take the bus to work. Cancel cable TV. You are living beyond your means and it will come back to fuck you in the ass if you do not do something about it.

I assume you mean you make more from the government if your wife stays at home than if she works, yes? If that is the case you are a leech

If you do not live within your means you will be fucked and hard in the not so distant future. The economy is going to get much worse before it gets any better.

you even read? he never said his wife was taking government assistance.

Barefootsies · 07-11-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Price is the same around here. Daycare is expensive. add 2 + kids to that and your just not going to cut it on 10 bucks and hour.

In his case, add in three kids.

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Now, also add to the equation that is my example my wife is a collage grad with a decree in accounting and business. Yet, she still can not find better that 10 bucks an hour for a job here.

That is same as him. He has degree in both, and was some sort of corporate controller at his last job making $60k or something per year. Last year, when the casino opened up here, he could not even get hired in there as a dealer, mop job, etc..

Again, said was told he is over qualified.

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

you even read? he never said his wife was taking government assistance.

Can you read? I said, "If that is the case you are a leech."

SmokeyTheBear · 07-11-2010, 09:43 AM

welfare is basically social slavery.

There is a certain % of people who just won't work period, probably like 5-10% of people who are on welfare actually need it , the rest are just slaves , paid not to be criminals, thats a huge chunk of people who could be paying taxes if we used them correctly. Train them and put them in the workforce at a lower pay than what the gov spends on existing services they either overpay for or outsource

Barefootsies · 07-11-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

welfare is basically social slavery.

There is a certain % of people who just won't work period, probably like 5-10% of people who are on welfare actually need it , the rest are just slaves , paid not to be criminals, thats a huge chunk of people who could be paying taxes if we used them correctly. Train them and put them in the workforce at a lower pay than what the gov spends on existing services they either overpay for or outsource

Interesting perspective.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-11-2010, 10:12 AM

Welfare is forever.

You manage to get on that shit and you stay on that shit forever. Your kids too.

It's like doing heroin, or a bitch going black.

You don't come back.

That's why your friends don't want to do it. Can you blame them?

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

Move into a cheaper home. Take the bus to work. Cancel cable TV. You are living beyond your means and it will come back to fuck you in the ass if you do not do something about it.

I assume you mean you make more from the government if your wife stays at home than if she works, yes? If that is the case you are a leech

If you do not live within your means you will be fucked and hard in the not so distant future. The economy is going to get much worse before it gets any better.

LOL! quit being a total fuck tard. My house is paid for. My cars, all 4 of them, are paid for. We live 35 miles from the nearest major city, Bus? LOL. I Raise my own chickens, grow a very nice garden for extra veggies, I even have Solar powered hot water. Trust me... none of this was done on some crappy 10 buck and hour job. If you can show me your magic math where a person with 2 kids can work for 10 bucks an put the kids in day care I would love to see it.

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

LOL! quit being a total fuck tard. My house is paid for. My cars, all 4 of them, are paid for. We live 35 miles from the nearest major city, Bus? LOL. I Raise my own chickens, grow a very nice garden for extra veggies, I even have Solar powered hot water. Trust me... none of this was done on some crappy 10 buck and hour job. If you can show me your magic math where a person with 2 kids can work for 10 bucks an put the kids in day care I would love to see it.

Are you or your wife getting government money now?

The Porn Nerd · 07-11-2010, 10:27 AM

Why don't you just help your friends out with some porn gigs? Either shooting, or setting up a site. Teach 'em the biz! Make money!

Barefootsies · 07-11-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Why don't you just help your friends out with some porn gigs? Either shooting, or setting up a site. Teach 'em the biz! Make money!

Been there done that. No thank you.

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

Are you or your wife getting government money now?

Nope. Should we be? As it is the site I have ran for the last 10 years supports us all just fine and shows not reason why it shouldn't continue to do so.

But your avoiding the return question about your math and 10 bucks a hour supporting someone with 2 kids. I'm waiting.

Agent 488 · 07-11-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Nope. Should we be? As it is the site I have ran for the last 10 years supports us all just fine and shows not reason why it shouldn't continue to do so.

But your avoiding the return question about your math and 10 bucks a hour supporting someone with 2 kids. I'm waiting.

i don't think he comprehended what you were trying to stay. still doesn't.

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Nope. Should we be? As it is the site I have ran for the last 10 years supports us all just fine and shows not reason why it shouldn't continue to do so.

But your avoiding the return question about your math and 10 bucks a hour supporting someone with 2 kids. I'm waiting.

I'm not avoiding anything. If you are getting by fine without your wife working then there is no problem. As for your wife only being able to find $10 an hour jobs that should tell you something. That is all she is worth in today's market. That it is not even worth her time is immaterial. People are not worth, to an employer, what it takes to pay for their debts, obligations and lifestyle. People are worth the value they bring to the people that are paying their paycheck. If that it is $10 an hour then that is what it is.

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

i don't think he comprehended what you were trying to stay. still doesn't.

I'm tending to agree. His too wrapped up in trying to go off on some soap box about how in his perfect world you should be able to actually live off a little more than minimum wage. lol.

ErectMedia · 07-11-2010, 10:42 AM

I think if someone has worked all their life and the economy has knocked them on their ass momentarily they should take whatever is offered until they can find another gig as quite a few people are struggling right now and no sense losing what ya own if programs are in place to help until you get back on your feet again. My dad was making $20+ an hour and immediately took another job at $10 and is struggling but is keeping his eyes open until something closer to what he used to make comes along. Personally I have been working since I was 13 and the only times I drew unemployment was with seasonal jobs where getting laid off for 2-3 months was okay as during the regular season I worked 50-60 hours a week so I could afford it and a little break in the winter was nice. If I became unemployed today I would draw unemployment until something came up but going past a few months not working it would drive me nuts. I only have issues with people trying to milk the system and not looking for work, for those that do work and fall on hard times take what they give you until you get back on your feet.

ottopottomouse · 07-11-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Welfare is forever.

You manage to get on that shit and you stay on that shit forever. Your kids too.

It's like doing heroin, or a bitch going black.

You don't come back.

That's why your friends don't want to do it. Can you blame them?

Does seem to be like that.

Kids born to parents that don't work who will never work in their whole life and then their kids too.

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

i don't think he comprehended what you were trying to stay. still doesn't.

I understand his point just fine and apparently comprehend the reality of it all much better than the both of you.

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

I'm not avoiding anything. If you are getting by fine without your wife working then there is no problem. As for your wife only being able to find $10 an hour jobs that should tell you something. That is all she is worth in today's market. That it is not even worth her time is immaterial. People are not worth what it takes to pay for their debts, obligations and lifestyle. People are worth the value they bring to the people that are paying their paycheck. If that it is $10 an hour then that is what it is.

Sigh... You just are not on the same page what so ever in this thread are you.

Step back, and re read everything. THEN come back and redeem yourself.

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Sigh... You just are not on the same page what so ever in this thread are you.

Step back, and re read everything. THEN come back and redeem yourself.

Ok, attack me personally. That will make your case.

You and your wife are in denial. That is the problem.

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 10:52 AM

Oh, and I live in the middle of butt fuck nowhere, it's not a matter of "worth in todays market" it's there are no jobs. There are no businesses therefore no jobs... get it? The one place that is near us, makes so little that 10 and hour is all they can AFFORD to pay and keep the doors open. Hell, the owner of that company has not drawn a pay from it in over 2 years.

Now, If we drive 10 miles there is a little town of about 2k... another 20 miles and your in a small city. But point is the jobs around here are few and far between.

If your feeling like putting together some numbers heres a list to help start with... It's all the relevant information about the county I live in.

http://www.city-data.com/county/Dade_County-GA.html

DaddyHalbucks · 07-11-2010, 10:55 AM

We need more people who are too proud for welfare.

The best thing for our economy would eliminate all government based social programs, which are inherently unworkable, budget busting, and fraudulent.

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

Ok, attack me personally. That will make your case.

You and your wife are in denial. That is the problem.

OMG LOL! I'm in denial? I'm attacking YOU?

I gave a perfectly good example of why in these peoples situation, finding just any job might not make sense.

How in your mind is going out and working 40 hours a week to just pay for the daycare and gas yet still come up short 10 to 15 bucks make sense? I'm just wondering?

Save the 10 bucks a week and NOT work, have the kids at home and have your 40 hours otherwise spent in a futile effort to do more productive things at home. (Provided like us you have the primary income to support yourself in the first place)

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

We need more people who are too proud for welfare.

The best thing for our economy would eliminate all government based social programs, which are inherently unworkable, budget busting, and fraudulent.

No, The best thing to do would be to bring back the works programs. The programs that actually build out country. (Roads bridges and all the other public works we enjoy today)

Take people in need, teach them a trade, pick them up in bussing and make them apply that trade in order to receive "welfare" What your doing is giving a person pride. Giving them something to point at and know they helped accomplish. Your also give them life skills that hopefully can be used for the rest of their lives and the country is getting something in return in the form of repaired infrastructure.

Agent 488 · 07-11-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

OMG LOL! I'm in denial? I'm attacking YOU?

I gave a perfectly good example of why in these peoples situation, finding just any job might not make sense.

How in your mind is going out and working 40 hours a week to just pay for the daycare and gas yet still come up short 10 to 15 bucks make sense? I'm just wondering?

Save the 10 bucks a week and NOT work, have the kids at home and have your 40 hours otherwise spent in a futile effort to do more productive things at home. (Provided like us you have the primary income to support yourself in the first place)

man he seriously just can't comprehend what you are trying to say. really quite sad.

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Oh, and I live in the middle of butt fuck nowhere, it's not a matter of "worth in todays market" it's there are no jobs. There are no businesses therefore no jobs... get it? The one place that is near us, makes so little that 10 and hour is all they can AFFORD to pay and keep the doors open. Hell, the owner of that company has not drawn a pay from it in over 2 years.

Now, If we drive 10 miles there is a little town of about 2k... another 20 miles and your in a small city. But point is the jobs around here are few and far between.

Maybe you should move out of "butt fuck nowhere"?

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Originally Posted by Gerco

How in your mind is going out and working 40 hours a week to just pay for the daycare and gas yet still come up short 10 to 15 bucks make sense? I'm just wondering?

I never said it did make sense for you. Did you miss where I said this: "If you are getting by fine without your wife working then there is no problem."

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

man he seriously just can't comprehend what you are trying to say. really quite sad.

Troll on...

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

Maybe you should move out of "butt fuck nowhere"?

Let me get this straight. Lets hypothetically say that I didn't have the primary income to support my family, and was required to depend on finding one of these 10 buck an hour jobs.

Your solution (and I'm using me cause he seems to be stuck on this) Would be to sell off my paid for house, and my paid for land that requires almost no monthly upkeep. Sell off my paid for cars. Move into the city next to a bus stop and somehow find a place that cost me less that what I'm currently having to pay now. (Since my house and cars are paid for that means electric/water) So we are talking about 200 a month place for rent... if it includes electric and water. All this so that I would be able to work 40 hours a week to make 400 bucks a week before taxes. Take home about 280 a week. Minus 250 a weeks cause now your paying for that daycare for 2 kids again leaving you 30 bucks to spare, wait you have to now buy a bus pass for yourself and your kids, and also find a daycare that happens to be on that bus route, and also can take you to this great 10 dollar an hour job. Then repeat this twice a day.

Ok so you have what left at this point... 10 bucks a week clear. Party on dude, cause you still have not paid for food, clothing, medicine, the list goes on..

Even in your math your negative before you even started.

Now, take all these people in this situation right now, for real. Explain to me how they are going to magically make this work using your solutions and no welfare. I really wonder if your have really been paying attention the last few years cause the people in this situation RIGHT NOW are not your high school drop outs anymore, but actual skilled labor. Guess what else comes from that skill... education repayment. Opps... so now not only can't they make a living of that skill but they are also paying back the loans it took to get it.

So all these skilled works out there flooding the job markets and taking "anything" they can get... what do you think thats doing in return for the "unskilled" labor force thats always been there in the first place... making things better for them?

You are right about one thing, it is going to to get a LOT worse before it gets better and if your not prepared somehow for it your SOL.

Personally, I have been working toward being able to function off grid. Hence the solar water heat, I have city water, but I also have my own well. Soon I'll be adding solar electric to the system one panel at a time until I can run totally from it. When the shit hits the fan, I want to make sure mines still running.

Where I live people can live off the land. I can fish, hunt, grow food. people out here all watch each others backs. Welfare here is the guy next to you giving you an extra deer he killed cause he doesn't have enough room left in the deep freeze for the meat.

But in your solution you would want everyone in the city next to that bus stop... and thats the last place I would want to be if and when our system collapses.

brassmonkey · 07-11-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Does seem to be like that.

Kids born to parents that don't work who will never work in their whole life and then their kids too.

i feel sorry for you.

Barefootsies · 07-11-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

We need more people who are too proud for welfare.

The best thing for our economy would eliminate all government based social programs, which are inherently unworkable, budget busting, and fraudulent.

Unfortunately, I think any system whether government run or not will have fraud and those who have learned to master, or 'game', the system. No matter what it is.

Amputate Your Head · 07-11-2010, 12:04 PM

I don't give a fuck. If someone can get free money out of the government, more power to them. If I could get some, I absolutely would. Forced to pay into unemployment my whole life, but don't qualify to ever get any. Fuck the government. I recommend people take every last dime they can from them, while they can.

Too proud? That's retarded. Anyone that thinks accepting help (welfare, unemployment, etc) from the government is "leeching" has obviously never been in a position to need it. Come talk to me when you have nothing but the clothes on your back, don't know where you're going to be sleeping at night, and you're starving to the point that you're willing to eat live insects. Until then, take your "pride" and fuck off with it.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-11-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i feel sorry for you.

Where did she say that she or her family were on welfare?

She didn't.

Throw your shit somewhere else.

Barefootsies · 07-11-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I don't give a fuck. If someone can get free money out of the government, more power to them. If I could get some, I absolutely would. Forced to pay into unemployment my whole life, but don't qualify to ever get any. Fuck the government. I recommend people take every last dime they can from them, while they can.

Too proud? That's retarded. Anyone that thinks accepting help (welfare, unemployment, etc) from the government is "leeching" has obviously never been in a position to need it. Come talk to me when you have nothing but the clothes on your back, don't know where you're going to be sleeping at night, and you're starving to the point that you're willing to eat live insects. Until then, take your "pride" and fuck off with it.

Good stuff hoss.

mikesinner · 07-11-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Not too proud but I feel much better earning than being a parasite.

You make it sound like they are too proud to do menial work as well as too proud for welfare.

Even menial work is impossible to find in many places since the economy is fucked and illegals will work overtime without extra pay and so on.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 07-11-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I don't give a fuck. If someone can get free money out of the government, more power to them. If I could get some, I absolutely would. Forced to pay into unemployment my whole life, but don't qualify to ever get any. Fuck the government. I recommend people take every last dime they can from them, while they can.

candyflip · 07-11-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I don't give a fuck. If someone can get free money out of the government, more power to them. If I could get some, I absolutely would. Forced to pay into unemployment my whole life, but don't qualify to ever get any. Fuck the government. I recommend people take every last dime they can from them, while they can.

Too proud? That's retarded. Anyone that thinks accepting help (welfare, unemployment, etc) from the government is "leeching" has obviously never been in a position to need it. Come talk to me when you have nothing but the clothes on your back, don't know where you're going to be sleeping at night, and you're starving to the point that you're willing to eat live insects. Until then, take your "pride" and fuck off with it.

I love AMP.

brassmonkey · 07-11-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Where did she say that she or her family were on welfare?

She didn't.

Throw your shit somewhere else.

Jarmusch · 07-11-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Both are struggling big time, and being forced to sell off their boats

I stopped feeling sorry for them here.

Barefootsies · 07-11-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Now if you want to get upset and you're a homeowner and pay high property taxes and NOT have any kids.... look at % of your property tax revenue that goes to schools!

Amen toe dat fucking shit!!!

tony286 · 07-11-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

My thoughts exactly.

I can see being single, proud, and not wanting a welfare check I suppose. But when you have kids to feed?!?!? It just seems very reckless to me. I have my pride as well, but pride does not pay the bills or feed children.

Yep when you got one job for every 5 looking. Where you are whats the unemployment rate I know its way beyond the national average.
The mistake people make is they try to pay everything when they cant find work. You are going to be considered a douche by the credit card companies no matter when you stop paying. Better to cut loses while you still got cash to regroup. Like move to a state where there is more work. Most just keep paying everything burning thru all the money they have. Then they are stuck.
Also the whole pride thing is probably trying to keep some face.

$5 submissions · 07-11-2010, 04:35 PM

It may be less a question of pride and more of valuing "independence"

CaptainHowdy · 07-11-2010, 04:38 PM

I'm never too proud for a handout...

GotGauge · 07-11-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I have no part in their life decisions. Including what you call 'menial work'.

I am trying to understand their logic. They claim they can't find any work, and even the low end places like MceeDees would not consider them because they are "over qualified". So with the shitty job market, they claim they can't find work. Nor will accept welfare. Instead pawning off, or selling, all their shit.

I would think selling off decades worth of your life belongings would be last resort.

I am not 100% sure, but I think here is Kansas if you own anything you have to sell it first before you can get assistance!

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Your solution (and I'm using me cause he seems to be stuck on this) Would be to sell off my paid for house...

You are putting a lot of words in my mouth I did not say.

I will try to make this very simple for you to understand...

If you could not afford to support yourself and needed a job that you could not find in "buttfuck nowhere" then yes. Sell your shit and move to somewhere with at least a 5 digit population and find work and live within your means. For you specifically, since you say you can get by fine, keep at the extreme fisting site and bunker down.

To be honest, the almost-off grid home you have sounds great. I wish I had a place like that.

GotGauge · 07-11-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GotGauge

I am not 100% sure, but I think here is Kansas if you own anything you have to sell it first before you can get assistance!

From what I have seen, the system makes you stay on the system.
Say you only need help for a few months, to find a new job or something, well from what I heard, if you have 2 cars, or boat, jst ski, house, Savings for retirement, Money market Cd's you have to sell all that first and be flat as broke.
To me this is NOT helping a person when they are down, but kicking them so they stay down!

anyway

Agent 488 · 07-11-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GotGauge

I am not 100% sure, but I think here is Kansas if you own anything you have to sell it first before you can get assistance!

yeah pretty sure most places you do an asset inventory and have to sell of anything of value first.

GotGauge · 07-11-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

yeah pretty sure most places you do an asset inventory and have to sell of anything of value first.

So stupid!
Some people might only need a little HELP, to get back on their feet. Sell everything, your starting over, and likely to stay on the system, because the less you have, the more they give you!

Gerco · 07-11-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

You are putting a lot of words in my mouth I did not say.

I will try to make this very simple for you to understand...

If you could not afford to support yourself and needed a job that you could not find in "buttfuck nowhere" then yes. Sell your shit and move to somewhere with at least a 5 digit population and find work and live within your means. For you specifically, since you say you can get by fine, keep at the extreme fisting site and bunker down.

To be honest, the almost-off grid home you have sounds great. I wish I had a place like that.

No, not really putting words in your mouth at all. But, trying to show you that nothing is quite as black and white as you seem to think it is. Question, you say sell everything and move... ok, exactly how would you go about doing this? I mean right now, your lucky to get what, Half of what your place is worth, maybe less. On the other items maybe 25% or less.

How much of what remains is then eaten in the actual moving expenses, the securing of a new residence, etc. Plus you now have to figure in that you now know nobody, so you don't have that working for you anymore. You've just basically liquidated what little you have left to fall on, and uprooted to a mystery and the slim hope that you might be able to compete with the other herd of skilled workers who thought the same thing you did and are now competing for the same limited resource.

Meanwhile, your living off what ever you where able to liquid and slowing (or quickly) getting to absolute zero. When you reach that then what? Your now living in the city, you have nothing and no way to produce for yourself. (IE no hunting fishing gardens etc) The guy next to you would as soon shoot you as look at you, cause I'm betting at this point your not exactly living anywhere considered "upper or even middle" class at this point.

What I'm trying to explain to you is that your solution does not make sense today. Your telling people to take what little they have left and waste it in and chance to put themselves into what, will most likely be, even a worse situation. Gone is the time of the simple cut back and your fine, If you can not get work that supports even the basic requirements of life.

When everything really goes to shit, where do you think it will start, in butt fuck nowhere or in the city.

Face it. the system is broken. It has been for a long time. Nothing short of a total wipe is going to change it because the people in charge are only worried about their bottom line. It does not matter what so called political side you claim to be on. They are all the same.

Out here, people are doing things about it. becoming more and more self sufficient and living with so called less (no one cares if you drive the latest car or have the nicest house etc) Me, I one of the main cars I drive around here is a piece of shit 85 C-10 I bought for cash 2 years ago for 800 bucks total investment. It starts every time I need it and hauls anything I ask it to and has to date required a heater core, a new battery and a starter in return. All things a monkey with a wrench could do. I buy cars I can afford with cash. I save in many ways, since I don't ever pay interest on them, I don't pay for full coverage insurance and they hardly ever depreciate from the point I buy them to when I sell them.

Case in point I bought a 99 Sonata for 1500 bucks last year. Put 13k on it over the year and just sold it monday for 1500 bucks. So basically, I got to travel 13k for the cost of the gas, and the insurance on the car (37 bucks a month) The landrover I bought on monday I paid 1000 bucks for. And it's sweet, one owner perfect int. decent miles etc. I'll keep it for a few years, and when I turn it I should actually turn a profit on it. You just have to be smart about stuff.

The off grid build is in my opinion the only way to go. Problem is, if you can afford to do it, then you can afford not to. The government does not want us doing it despite everything you may hear, why would they want us to move AWAY from their dependance? If everyone did it, the current system would collapse. So, prices are kept very high to discourage most. Go price out a simple 2 4x8 flat collector water heating system once. Your looking at 10k investment upfront. Takes a LOT of hat water usage to justify it for most people. In my case, I'm handy (no pun intended) So I bought my collectors used and am building the system from scratch with my own 2 hands including the storage tanks etc. I'm also recouping that effort by plumbing my home with Pex line under slab to use that hot water to heat my house in the winter. No small project, but it's (to me) fun to do and satisfying. I build my own chicken coop and currently have about 35 chicken running around. I get Fresh eggs every day for breakfast and fresh chick whenever I feel like it.

I have paster around me, and will be buying a cow. My next door is letting my have my cow graze for free with theirs, and I'll have it processed when its large enough and buy another. My kids are growing up knowing exactly where food comes from. They chase the chickens around and have fun with them. My 4 year old even thanks them for the eggs lol.

Deer meat... basically free. Ok, the cost of a license and a bullet. I trim them out myself.

No, all in all I much rather live life as I am and build up what I have here my way. Not dependent on handouts etc.

Ethersync · 07-11-2010, 06:57 PM

I am not saying you should move. Why are you still trying to convince me you do not need to move?

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Originally Posted by Gerco

No, all in all I much rather live life as I am and build up what I have here my way. Not dependent on handouts etc.

No one is telling you to move. No one is telling you to be dependent on handouts.

07-11-2010, 09:43 AM	#57
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	welfare is basically social slavery. There is a certain % of people who just won't work period, probably like 5-10% of people who are on welfare actually need it , the rest are just slaves , paid not to be criminals, thats a huge chunk of people who could be paying taxes if we used them correctly. Train them and put them in the workforce at a lower pay than what the gov spends on existing services they either overpay for or outsource __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

07-11-2010, 10:12 AM	#59
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07-11-2010, 10:27 AM	#62
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07-11-2010, 10:42 AM	#68
ErectMedia Confirmed Chicago Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 7,100	I think if someone has worked all their life and the economy has knocked them on their ass momentarily they should take whatever is offered until they can find another gig as quite a few people are struggling right now and no sense losing what ya own if programs are in place to help until you get back on your feet again. My dad was making $20+ an hour and immediately took another job at $10 and is struggling but is keeping his eyes open until something closer to what he used to make comes along. Personally I have been working since I was 13 and the only times I drew unemployment was with seasonal jobs where getting laid off for 2-3 months was okay as during the regular season I worked 50-60 hours a week so I could afford it and a little break in the winter was nice. If I became unemployed today I would draw unemployment until something came up but going past a few months not working it would drive me nuts. I only have issues with people trying to milk the system and not looking for work, for those that do work and fall on hard times take what they give you until you get back on your feet. __________________ Domain Name Registration Web3 Domains

07-11-2010, 10:52 AM	#73
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07-11-2010, 10:55 AM	#74
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07-11-2010, 12:04 PM	#82
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	I don't give a fuck. If someone can get free money out of the government, more power to them. If I could get some, I absolutely would. Forced to pay into unemployment my whole life, but don't qualify to ever get any. Fuck the government. I recommend people take every last dime they can from them, while they can. Too proud? That's retarded. Anyone that thinks accepting help (welfare, unemployment, etc) from the government is "leeching" has obviously never been in a position to need it. Come talk to me when you have nothing but the clothes on your back, don't know where you're going to be sleeping at night, and you're starving to the point that you're willing to eat live insects. Until then, take your "pride" and fuck off with it. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

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