stocktrader23

Fox News never ignores a story (ha), they just show edited videos and lie through their teeth about anything they don't agree with.

As far as the Black Panther story, you mean the one Fox News latched onto to stir up more racial tension? I would talk about it but this woman did a good enough job debating Megyn Kelly on the issue. 2 minutes and 25 seconds in.

PimpStar

I'm far from an expert on this but to me the video maker and poster must be clearly political opponents, it's like after 8 years of bush abuse they expect him to go up like that
which is completely unrealistic, same with sports teams, if a club have had bad management for years, buying wrong players, paying to much, etc.etc. than it would take years
to rebuild the team and club under new management, with a country known as the biggest economy of the world one could expect a bit more time
hope things will go in the good direction for the USA

BFT3K

These girls may or may not vote for Obama in 2012. Think about that!

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Sausage

How dare you say anything bad about Black Jesus!

He talks pretty and is black so he is above criticism. If you don't love Black Jesus you are either a terrorist or a racist.

Pics Traffic

I don't know its any better but at least its not any worst. With Bush we were always on look out for another fuck up.

Amputate Your Head

According to GW, everyone is a terrorist. We are all in the Axis of Evil.

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Great piece, thanks for posting it.

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sperbonzo

A good job? She admitted not reading any of the evidence and testimony, both in the case itself, and of the whistle blower that testified after quitting the department of justice, and then she went on to say that there was no problem with their handling of the case.... with her having no real knowledge of it.

I'm not sure what you were going for here.


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OK, just a few things

People hated Bush because of the wars
Obama said he was going to send more troops to Afghanistan, but you still voted for him,
it's also been said that the pull out date is not realistic at this point

People hated Bush because of the Patriot Act
Obama Extended it

People hated Bush because he spent so much money in 8 years
Obama spent more in 18 months, new budget is 40 cents of every dollar is borrowed, 1.47 trillion dollars

People hated Bush because of the growing unemployment rate
Under Obama, it got worse and the only sector hiring is government, by over 25% in growth, who pays for that? Taxpayers? Not if they aren't working


And in Arizona, the voters voted for a bill to do something that's the responsibility of the US government, security, but Obama sides with Mexico on that



But we did get Obama care, this is suppose to keep prices from going up, everyone I talk to is paying more since it passed. My buddy that works for Coca Cola is now paying $80 a month more, he doesn't make very much working for them

We got bank reform, they're going to hire 800 new people to police it and the two biggest fails, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are exempt, but hey, 2300 pages of regulation?

Obamanomics, or Keynesian economics has failed in the UK and they voted Brown out for a rational economic plan to cut government spending by 25%

And the best most liberals can say is it's Bush's fault, are they that fucking blind?

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stocktrader23

She stated that it's irrelevant, because it is. They have an injunction against the guy already.

sperbonzo

I assume you are talking about the Shirley Sherrod story. You do realize that she was forced out by the administration BEFORE that video was shown on Fox or her name had even been MENTIONED by Fox, right? It had only been shown on that Breitbart BigGovernment.com site and then the administration fired her.



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They heavily reduced the injunction criteria, and they dropped injunctions against two others. Perhaps you might listen again?


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She also won a law suit aginst the government for something racial and got $300k for herself.
She was blasted by the NAACP , which they later changed their moind on, it was their tape, LMAO

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think about that

Vendzilla

Sadly, Obama feels the same way by extending the patriot act

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think about that

Amputate Your Head

The war never should have been started in the first place. Bush started his illegal war, Obama is dealing with the mess.

Patriot Act needs to go away.

Economic collapse was well underway under GW. Bush took us from surplus to the chains of debt. Giving the rich those tax cuts did nothing to help anyone except the rich. It will take several presidents to dig our way out of the giant Guatemala sized hole that GW put us in.

Again, economic collapse was initiated under GW. Millions of jobs vanishing are part & parcel with the economic meltdown. GW owns it entirely.


Unconstitutional panic legislation is not a solution. Obama is a lawyer's lawyer. I have confidence in that and will side with the government on this one.



Interesting. It has had zero effect for me whatsoever so far. I didn't have health insurance before, and I still don't. Your buddy should count his blessings.... not only does he have health insurance, he has a fucking job. Tell him to stop whining.

Versus letting the banks continue to run wild and rape the public? I'll take any regulations they want to slap down on the fucking bankers.

Fuck the UK. I don't care what they do over there.

Because it is Bush's fault. All of it.

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Vendzilla

And he's promised more than he can deliver, we need to just pull out, we can't afford it, the point being, people hated Bush because of the war, but those same Idiots voted for Barry when he told them he was going to send more troops
I couldn't agree more
Not arguing about Bush, But what Barry is doing is far worse
18 months and it got worse, again, the only sector hiring is the Government, growth of 25% when state government is cutting back, remember those police we can't afford anymore?


If that's what it take to get a president off his ass to protect the American people from violence from drug cartels, then so be it, the first signs of a revolution

The point being, it was promised by Barry that wasn't going to happen, he also lost some of his benefits

You taking any regulations is what Barry was counting on, too bad we can't get good legislation, what are we paying these fools in congress for?

Their economy was being ran just like ours, it didn't work, even the queen is taking a hit

When does Barry own this mess?

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think about that

Vendzilla

People voted for Obama because he was going to fix things, I just dont' see that happening

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think about that

Amputate Your Head

My belief is that happened because McCain / Palin (shudder) would have continued the war indefinitely. At least with a Dem we have a shot at it ending someday.



Well, Bush owns what he owns. Some of it will never transfer to another president. But I would say if by year #3 things aren't turning around for the better, and I mean in a way that everyone can clearly see it, not some crazy analyst pointing to obscure indicators no one relates to, then Obama gets to own the failure of his own term and look forward to being a civilian again.

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Yeah I miss Bush. I miss a president choking on pretzels instead of speaking to the american people. I miss a guy who can ignore a disaster and then pretend he flew over it with one picture of his ugly ass looking out a window on the tarmac somewhere. I miss a guy who photoshops in more soldiers because even though he only speaks to controlled military crowds twice a year, there still aren't enough, so lets photoshop some more.

Fuck. Yeah that was awesome. Lets do THAT shit again.

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Slappin Fish

Gordon Brown was voted out because he was perceived as a bland bully/ogre with poor communication skills. Plus having been in power so long, anything other than labour felt like change (reminds you of anything?). Keynesian economics had very little to do with it, I can assure you. It is the second or third time I see you post this here. Don't know if you read it somewhere and thought it was a clever argument but you should drop it, really.

Gerco

Obama is like a fire fighter getting on the scene 8 years after the fire started and then being asked to put it out. What do people really expect? Then man is one of the few who has actually been doing what he said he was going to, and considering the repub's every effort to block and do nothing more than sit on there asses the last few years I think he's done pretty well.

Takes a long time to rebuild people that think that there is some magic plan by anyone thats going to make this all just go away in 2 years is a fool to begin with.

You can not compare it with what happened in the past, for the simple reasons that the world was not as interconnected as it is today. The stakes are higher and there are more reasons things can fail.

As far as using 6 dollar gas a one of my markers... why not? It's something that effects me personally daily. Of course I use other things too but the gas one is something everything gets and gets now.

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It's turned into an occupation, remember Germany? Took a republican to tear down that wall


For decades, it's been the liberals that have done the protesting, now thanx to Barry, the conservatives are grouping together now the Tea Party has their own caucus, I think that's a pretty big indicator

True I don't know all the reasons, but have the tides changed as far as how the economics are working in the UK? Isn't it true that they are cutting the spending of the government?

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think about that

Vendzilla

true, the GOP did sit on their asses, then in 06, people wanted change, we got the democrats in charge, what has happen since 06? It's not just Barry, it's the democratic machine, it's too liberal. Their use to be conservative democrats.
I would just like to see Barry do one thing that is going to help the country, but no, he had to push the ban on drilling, when his own experts said it was safe and thats going to cost even more jobs. He wants more regulations, thats going to cost more jobs, he's moving in the wrong direction

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think about that

Slappin Fish

BTW this is something you might want to look at to understand why the US is still spending while the UK has to cut down. Sometimes it is difficult to see where the US actually stands compared to others. The results might surprise you.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959

Gerco

Sorry, totally disagree here... the ONE thing I see him pushing a little is alternative energy and the need to get off oil. Anything that can be done to further that I'm all for.

There is no reason or excuse why solar power has not been mass produced to the point where it's affordable for everyone. Under the republicans alternative energies took a huge hit, starting back with Regan and the taxing that was added to it. My physics professor in collage had a successful windmill design, built 6 of them and they would produce so much electric that they spent most of the day back feeding it into the local power grid. He was put out of business buy those republicans. Those 6 windmills... 4 are still working today, 30 years later. The other 2 where never allowed to be put up.

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stocktrader23

Dude, get real. They reported on it, they just didn't use her name. Lot of good it did since the video was easy to find online. This is typical Fox News and their viewers, it's disingenuous and stupid.

sperbonzo

I guess the point went right over your head....


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All too well. I lived in Adolf Hitler Kaserne for two years. Was there when the Wall came down and they all came across. Was a scene. You're right. It is an occupation, and will likely stay that way for a very long time. (Iraq) The Afghanistan campaign may or may not get shut down some time soon... looks like it's getting a ton of attention right now, but we'll be in Iraq for the foreseeable future.



Problem is, the conservatives have no answers. All they do is try to block everything the dems do, but offer up no answers of their own, other than clearly backing big oil, big money, etc... delaying extended unemployment at a time when they need it most, backing BP, and on and on.... and not even the GOP takes the tea people seriously. At least not enough to get too close. (other than the usual lunatics like Bachman).

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What do you mean they were never allowed to be put up? I'm not following your story. People have been putting up windmills and plugging them into the grid for years. What is so different about your professors design that the Republicans came in and said "no you aren't doing this"?

Now if you want to say there wasn't enough funding to grow this, I can understand your point there. But you are saying he wasn't even allowed to put them up?

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While I agree with green power in every way, I was on a nuclear submarine. It's power supply was the size of a baseball and lasted 10 years. The time for expanding that tech is when the economy is better. His pay outs to green jobs has done terrible, it's not about his ideas, it's how they are carried out

I give you the HYBRID, the carbon footprint to build one is in some cases 4 times that of a conventional car, the metals used in the batteries are nasty to the environment.
And if you drive down the freeway at the speed limit, you'll be passed by several cars, when you see a hybrid going over the speed limit, he's getting about the same gas mileage you are.

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Rochard

Very interesting really.

We hated Bush because of the wars, but Obama extended it. It doesn't matter if we want to be there or not, we need to follow through and stay until the job is done. If that's the next fifty years, so be it. We are still in Germany, still in Japan, and still in South Korea.

As for the Patriot Act, it was needed. At least some form of it. Does anyone know anyone who was ever arrested or had their civil liberties violated by the Patriot Act? No. Of course not.

When it comes to how much money Bush and Obama spent... Bush spent money because he wanted to. They do it all the time - spend spend spend and then pass the buck onto the next guy. But what the last guy - Bush - failed to factor in was that we left the country in the worst possible shape ever. And the only way to get the ship moving again is for our government to spend money. Right now we have a massive construction project near our house, paid for by your tax dollars (well, if you live in California anyhow). I wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent on this fourteen mile freeway by-pass - and how many jobs it created. I'm sure it's got hundreds of construction workers, but let's think about the engineering firms, architects, truck drivers, suppliers, concrete companies, etc....

Who's fault is it? It's Bush's fault. It's pretty simple. If I am the CEO of a company for eight years and I run it into the ground, after the new guy is in office for a year do we really expect him to have everything fixed? Of course not. It's going to take us a lot longer to unfuck this.

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There where multiple reasons, the first being, it was the first time someone had tried to put something in the state that actually back feed the energy, so of course that became a fight with the power company, by the time that was settled and won, the new taxes went into effect basically negating any gain from using them in the first place, done to protect the power company against people going "off grid"

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The hybrid is a sad mistake... a stepping stone, but stupid. for the reasons you clearly point out. But, for cars, there are other alternatives that do not have those same limitations but do have the limitations of a minuet infrastructure able to currently support them (hydrogen)

The hybrid is just and example of the public being tossed a bone to make them "feel good" and does nothing to actually help the problem.

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Right now the Tea Party is organizing, given time, I think they will become a force, simple agenda, "fiscal responsibility"

When is the last time unemployment was extended for 99 weeks? The GOP did offer up an answer, use some of the stimulus money they are sitting on, they were ignored

They offered up a health care plan, they were ignored

They wanted to NOT block drilling in the gulf, they are afraid of loosing literally thousands of jobs, and they laid out exactly why, but were ignored.

Sorry, putting the government in charge of the banks, that makes sense? Leaving out Freddie and Fannie makes sense?


AMP, I'm not saying the GOP has the answers, but the direction Barry is taking us is not the right direction, more regulation strangles business. Go ask any business owner how hard it has become to run a business and how regulation has hurt the bottom line and kept them from expanding.

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think about that

Vendzilla

we used a method of taking clean water and separating the oxygen and hydrogen using electrolysis, we stored the oxygen for our air and pumped the Hydrogen overboard thru a diffuser to keep bubbles from being spotted
that technology has been around for several decades, my sub was built in 69
Now take that technology and keep both gases, inject them into a chamber and light a match, BOOM, you have combustion and water coming out of the tail pipe

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The teabaggers... what a joke. Take a group of people to mindless to think for themselves and feed them just enough to make them mad at something they don't understand. Religion is the direct cause of this "moment" it has trained generations to be simple followers disregarding anything that has to do rational. Putting (faith) above common sense. It's these very "sheep" that will blindly follow any retarded thing feed to them that we should be worried about. not because of so called power, but because this just shows the rest of the world how stupid most americans are.

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Exactly, and why has it taken this long to make is a viable source of fuel? Because if you give everyone the ability to self generate their power, there would be no way to charge them monthly for your service. We are being kept on the grid cause it keeps us in the governments control.

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america is still racist and it's core. the rich white frat boy trashes the joint then they send in the negro janitor to clean up the mess.

2MuchMark

This guy is an idiot. The financial crisis was caused by deregulation during the Bush Administration, not Obama's. The wars were also inherited by Obama, not Bush.

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I'm not sure but I think you forgot something. While you can make combustable fuel in this way, the amount of energy it takes is high compared the amount of energy you get back, making it expensive and inefficient. To do it right you need a very cheap source of electricity and a cheap ans safe method of storage.

For example, it is cheaper to heat your home with electricity then to electrolysize (sp?) water with electricity and burn its hydrogen & oxygen. To break water molecules apart requires some electricity, and the larger your water tanks are (and the more fuel you want to create), the more resistance there is in the water (Ohms Law V=RI). You can fix this by adding salt, but too much salt and too much electricity will cause the salt to break up into Sodium and Chloride (Dangerous!). The electricity has to be DC not AC, and the voltage has to be regulated to be efficient.

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Gerco

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/07/06...rogen-station/

This is my point... there is no reason that we could not be all doing this. using solar, wind and in some placed even hydroelectric. There are other solutions out there that actually produce enough energy that they not only give you what you need for your car but for your entire house.

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Question for you asshole What has Obama done that has any dent in the debt or the economy in a positive nature during his 18 month reign?

or are you just going by Obamas economic advisors,? LMAO

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Vendzilla

You're listening to the liberal media too much, I watched one of them on "The View" which has to be about one of the most liberal talk shows and she said her message and was praised by them. They only have one message, "FISCAL RESPONCIBILITY" And why does the liberal fear them, the day after Michelle Obama gives a speech to the NAACP, the NAACP declares racism on the Tea Party. They are a bunch of people that are getting organized and in time unless they give up, will have a voice in Washington, they have formed their own caucus

I agree, the government is the the greatest hamper on the developing new power sources, they have always been, now with more regulation on business, thats going to be set in stone

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ottopottomouse

It's what they are trying to make it look like anyway even if they aren't achieving much yet.

The new government have also been asking for suggestions off of the public as to any changes that need making - not sure if anything will come out of it though.

The labour government were voted out partly just due to how long they had already been in power as well as having a charisma-free leader that just seemed to suck the life out of anyone around him. There is only so long you can go on blaming the previous administration for things before everyone realises that actually you havn't really got a clue what you are doing.

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baddog

That is the question.

Who had $6 gas?

He doesn't live here. His opinion means squat as he has no dog in the fight.

Amputate Your Head

I'll take a stab at that.... (sort of)..

Nothing. Or at least nothing that is showing any signs of real success yet. I guess I'm not ready to write the guy off just yet. It took GW 8 years to screw things up this bad. I don't know if Obama can hang on long enough to see any positive results from anything he's done. Too many people hate him just for the sake of hating him. It's really odd to me that there are people, many many people, that want to see Obama fail more than anything, for what reason? Why does the right want to see this guy fail at making things better?

Every day I see this stuff and it always leaves my jaw hanging open. Think about this for just a minute: Bush was actively fucking things up... proper, for 8 years. I can't think of one single thing that improved with Bush in office. Well, rich people and the corporate overlords will disagree, but that's obvious. Yet for the right, it's like it never happened. Instead, crucify the new guy trying to fix all this shit. Make up 100% fake "news" stories when all else fails. Fringe lunatic groups like the tea people and Glenn Beck burning up television air time & predicting the end of the world every single day and protesting either something they don't understand or don't even know why they're protesting it in the first place.

Does anyone really believe that we would be better off today with McCain / Palin in there? Honestly?

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Thanx for clearing that up, my mother will visiting London next spring, she'll be with her friend looking at english gardens, my mom is a hell of a gardener. The two of them just got back from Alaska, they saw some grizzly bears and a glacier. Beats waiting at home in 108 degree weather

where have I heard that before?

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