Ground-zero "mosque" fact-check - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Brujah · 08-19-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I hate Obama because he's black

Well, now we know.

See how context works, ITYG?

The Demon · 08-19-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

well there is economic, enviromental, and political struggles going on right now that i feel we should be spending our time and energy on

You act as if the state of the country/world and this 9/11 issue are mutually exclusive.

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is it proper to build a mosque at ground zero? since they are building more of a community center in what could be described as the center of the known universe, well, yes.

I disagree. Out of all the places where they can build a mosque, they choose that place? I realize that radical Islam is making the entire religion look bad, but it's still guilt by association in this day and age.

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and in conclusion, respect. in order for their action to be disrespectful, they would have to be in some way responsible for the attacks on the 9/11, and that is not correct. In fact, hundreds of muslims, americans, died in this attack.

if respect is in question, who is disrespecting who?

I think it sends a bad message because of the significance. If a church or a synagogue was build there, obviously nobody would complain. The fact that a symbol (albeit skewed) is being placed in the vicinity of the worst terrorist attack in America, is a horrible thing.

Brujah · 08-19-2010, 04:31 PM

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has strongly endorsed the project, arguing that it is not the role of government to meddle in religious and business affairs.

In May, the Lower Manhattan community board also voted to support the center.

First you guys are 100% constitution, then you're anti-constitution and want to go with the voters. Now you're anti-constitution AND anti-voters. Sounds very anti-American to me.

Vendzilla · 08-19-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cwd

O'Reilly is an entertainer,

But, it was said on a 24 hour news network, on a show that is very popular, and they would have no reason to simply make something up. Right?

Gotta love the people that bash Fox on this forum, Fox is the most watched news program on cable and O'Reilly is leading all of them by a large margin. Yes, he's an entertainer, but I feel a fair one, kinda middle of the road leaning slightly right, which is about where the country is. I think I'm a little more to the right than he is, just started reading one of his books, just makes me like him even more. Something he said about friends really struck at home.
Beck I can only handle for a little bit, too religious for me
I watch MSNBC for 15 minutes and I have to change the channel.
CNN is ok, ABC is ok

jjmerago · 08-19-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Not exactly, especially when uses words like "bigot" without understanding its' definition. I'm not sure how you can call something like this a non issue. I think it's a huge issue. You can build a mosque anywhere, but they chose to do it within the vicinity of the WTC, and it's a NON issue? Not sure how someone can be that naive.

1) Do you know the meaning of Bigot? Apparently not you should have checked the dictionary. I am smart I am a geek and a nerd a proud of it. Yes my spelling sux and sum tymes sough duz migh gramher. BUT I do know the meaning of Bigot.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot
big·ot [big-uht] Show IPA
–noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

See where it says Belief. Thats you! If you believe for 1 sec that Islam was the reason for 9/11 and not al quaeda then you are a Bigot.
I also love that you conveniently skipped over the fact that christians are and have been worse in the terror department then Islam has ever been. Ground zero isn't a tomb as construction has dug so deep they are finding ships from revolutionary days, meaning all the bodies are gone as well as all parts of the building. Its an empty space very something very very EVIL happened a decade ago not a tomb of remains.
You either accept all religions and all beliefs or be prepared for any and all consequences associated with singling out and taunting a religion with more people and more and more fanatics being driven towards terrorism because of your backwards thinking.

So again lets be clear ... if your for the community center ... you have good core belief in the constitution and religious freedom.
If your against your a Bigot, because your only reason for saying "no" is based on your hate and intolerance but no rational reasoning.

Vendzilla · 08-19-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Well, now we know.

See how context works, ITYG?

Just proves the facts don't mean a fucking thing to you

Brujah · 08-19-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Just proves the facts don't mean a fucking thing to you

That was for ITYG (another member), to illustrate a point about the importance of context. He'll get it when he reads it.

boneprone · 08-19-2010, 04:52 PM

If it aint white it aint right..
Id be ok with it if they were white Muslims.

uno · 08-19-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

half a dozen blocks?
does this look like half a dozen blocks?
or are you saying this is NOT a spin?

university of phoenix has actual campuses?

fatfoo · 08-19-2010, 06:22 PM

I think different religions can coexist peacefully.

cwd · 08-20-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Gotta love the people that bash Fox on this forum, Fox is the most watched news program on cable and O'Reilly is leading all of them by a large margin. Yes, he's an entertainer, but I feel a fair one, kinda middle of the road leaning slightly right, which is about where the country is. I think I'm a little more to the right than he is, just started reading one of his books, just makes me like him even more. Something he said about friends really struck at home.
Beck I can only handle for a little bit, too religious for me
I watch MSNBC for 15 minutes and I have to change the channel.
CNN is ok, ABC is ok

Wow, not sure where I was bashing Fox news. In fact, that was the first time I have written Fox in this thread.

You said that no mulisms lived within 1 mile of the site, because you heard it on a news show, looked at a photo and figured they were correct. My concern was that when a news show makes a statement like that people take it for the truth, without actually trying to find out for themselves. Specially since as you said, O'Reilly is "leading all of them".

and as DynaMo said
"there are 100s and 100s of apartments within a 1mile radius of ground zero.
my ex-girlfriend lived in one, ~1200 feet away(circled in the photo) she had to clear out for several weeks after the tragedy, as did many many many others. it's manhatten, they have to put apartments everywhere. her bldg was ~20 stories of apartments if i recall correctly."

It seems to me that un-true statements like "no muslims live within 1 mile" only add to the hysteria. When we can no longer have meaningful conversations in this society without it becoming a fear mongering, pointing of fingers, name calling mess. I wish this was not so, but it seems to be where we are.

Vendzilla · 08-20-2010, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

That was for ITYG (another member), to illustrate a point about the importance of context. He'll get it when he reads it.

You're indicating I'm a racist, you're illustrating you're an asshole to everyone thats reading it

Vendzilla · 08-20-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cwd

Wow, not sure where I was bashing Fox news. In fact, that was the first time I have written Fox in this thread.

You said that no mulisms lived within 1 mile of the site, because you heard it on a news show, looked at a photo and figured they were correct. My concern was that when a news show makes a statement like that people take it for the truth, without actually trying to find out for themselves. Specially since as you said, O'Reilly is "leading all of them".

and as DynaMo said
"there are 100s and 100s of apartments within a 1mile radius of ground zero.
my ex-girlfriend lived in one, ~1200 feet away(circled in the photo) she had to clear out for several weeks after the tragedy, as did many many many others. it's manhatten, they have to put apartments everywhere. her bldg was ~20 stories of apartments if i recall correctly."

It seems to me that un-true statements like "no muslims live within 1 mile" only add to the hysteria. When we can no longer have meaningful conversations in this society without it becoming a fear mongering, pointing of fingers, name calling mess. I wish this was not so, but it seems to be where we are.

the statement was about all the people that bash them

cwd · 08-20-2010, 08:44 AM

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the statement was about all the people that bash them

oh, I see. Mine was just about all the people that believe everything they hear on TV.

TurboAngel · 08-20-2010, 08:46 AM

I think everyone needs to have a drink in here.

tony286 · 08-20-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You're indicating I'm a racist, you're illustrating you're an asshole to everyone thats reading it

you dont have to be a racist to be not happy about having a black man as president. I think alot of people dont like having a black guy as president so they say he is a socialist, he really isnt an American etc etc. Its all code for he is black and I dont like it.

Vendzilla · 08-20-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cwd

oh, I see. Mine was just about all the people that believe everything they hear on TV.

I learned something in boot camp in the Navy
Believe half of what you see, none of what you hear, vote no, demand a recount, tip your bartender and never date more than you can lift

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Originally Posted by tony299

you dont have to be a racist to be not happy about having a black man as president. I think alot of people dont like having a black guy as president so they say he is a socialist, he really isnt an American etc etc. Its all code for he is black and I dont like it.

1, I don't give a shit what color he is, I wasn't raised that way
And at this point I really don't give a fuck if a lot of people don't like him because he's black, a lot of people like him just because he's black
2, Shit for Brains was calling me a racist, fuck him

Brujah · 08-20-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

calling me a racist

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I said based on your anti-Obama posts that are unrelated to his actual works, I'm convinced you hate him for other reasons. One was that he is a Democrat. Another was that he is black. I didn't choose for you, but your reactions seem to indicate it's probably because he is black.

Posts about Obama and the mosque. Posts about his birth certificate. Posts about him being muslim. You fall into that stereotype because you perpetuate it. Break out of it and no one will think you're just some ignorant redneck pothead racist who secretly hates black people and mexicans and doesn't want "the gays" getting married either.

TurboAngel · 08-20-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tony299

you dont have to be a racist to be not happy about having a black man as president. I think alot of people dont like having a black guy as president so they say he is a socialist, he really isnt an American etc etc. Its all code for he is black and I dont like it.

So anyone who isn't happy with him being president has to be a racist? I think he's doing a shitty job not because he's black , and I voted for him.

directfiesta · 08-20-2010, 09:16 AM

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I think you missed the point entirely. And I'm known for truth and facts, ?

Anyone knows how to clean coffee from a LCD screen ?

directfiesta · 08-20-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup

big surprise.. vendzilla in here parroting everything foxnews tells him to. LOL

Somebody has to to the thinking for him, no ?

Vendzilla · 08-20-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

My comprehension is you called me a racist

You're a fucking moron, that's all you got

tony286 · 08-20-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel

So anyone who isn't happy with him being president has to be a racist? I think he's doing a shitty job not because he's black , and I voted for him.

No because they arent arguing facts they are arguing dont like a black president but cant say that talking points. Im not happy with him either but when they start calling him a socialist or the biggest liberal it all bullshit. I am a liberal and he is not one. In fact us progressives feel fucked by him. But on the other hand if you think any person could of fixed this mess left in 2 yrs your kidding yourself. The right has to create these bullshit outrage with a mosque because they want to get elected and they dont have a plan but go back to way it was which drove us in to the ditch.

They have to stop anything barry does because even though they all try to rewrite FDR. FDR was elected 4 terms and democrats controlled the house for 40 yrs. they wont let that happen again, so they say no to everything and then some.

Brujah · 08-20-2010, 09:42 AM

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My comprehension is you called me a racist

You're a fucking moron, that's all you got

If it walks like a redneck racist pothead duck.... well, you know the rest...

Vendzilla · 08-20-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

If it walks like a redneck racist pothead duck.... well, you know the rest...

So instead of debating the facts, you call me names?
Fucking MORON

charlie g · 08-20-2010, 10:17 AM

This is such a bullshit issue. The government does not have the right to tell these people they can't build there. But these fucking towel heads should show some sensitivity to the neighborhood and move their fucking auditorium or bombmaking university a mile or 2 away. The plain fact that they do not recognize that many see this as poor judgment and taste only confirms they do not belong in the neighborhood.

Many innocent people were killed there in the name of that shit religion... so ya, they should shut the fuck up and move on. Anyone arguing differently is wrong!

Brujah · 08-20-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So instead of debating the facts, you call me names?
Fucking MORON

Yes, I'm sorry but I'm usually just teasing you because you're just one of those awesome people who respond this way and make it fun.

I apologize. If you go back and read some of the posts I've made that you felt were serious, you might see them in more of a jovial manner.

Bryan G · 08-20-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So instead of debating the facts, you call me names?
Fucking MORON

LMAO, you're one to talk about calling names.

Tom_PM · 08-20-2010, 11:27 AM

There's a christian church in florida trying to organize a koran burning on the church lawn.

What the hell are these crazies doing? Believing as true a transparent political attempt to control the message during an election year? Wow. Just wow.

directfiesta · 08-20-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

There's a christian church in florida trying to organize a koran burning on the church lawn.

What the hell are these crazies doing? Believing as true a transparent political attempt to control the message during an election year? Wow. Just wow.

.. bad .. and we know where that leads ..

Nazis burned Thorahs ....

HighEnergy · 08-20-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

this is such a bullshit issue. The government does not have the right to tell these people they can't build there. But these fucking towel heads should show some sensitivity to the neighborhood and move their fucking auditorium or bombmaking university a mile or 2 away. The plain fact that they do not recognize that many see this as poor judgment and taste only confirms they do not belong in the neighborhood.

Many innocent people were killed there in the name of that shit religion... So ya, they should shut the fuck up and move on. Anyone arguing differently is wrong!

QFT

Brujah is just stirring shit as always. It's a form of entertainment for him.

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charlie g Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Center of the Universe Posts: 2,759	This is such a bullshit issue. The government does not have the right to tell these people they can't build there. But these fucking towel heads should show some sensitivity to the neighborhood and move their fucking auditorium or bombmaking university a mile or 2 away. The plain fact that they do not recognize that many see this as poor judgment and taste only confirms they do not belong in the neighborhood. Many innocent people were killed there in the name of that shit religion... so ya, they should shut the fuck up and move on. Anyone arguing differently is wrong! __________________ AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com ------------------------------- Last edited by charlie g; 08-20-2010 at 10:18 AM..

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