I'm gonna buy a membership to guba.

[chadglni]

Sue me.

[SilentKnight]

What are the aiding and abetting laws in PEI these days?

[KRL]

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

What are the aiding and abetting laws in PEI these days?

They are on your side.

"Copyright laws protect original works of authorship. Individuals who reproduce, receive, distribute, publicly perform or display copyrighted works without consent of the copyright holders may be in violation of copyright or other laws, and found liable for infringement. GUBA does not encourage or condone illegal reproduction of copyrighted material. This is not intended to be legal counsel or advice. If you have any questions, consult your attorney.
"

P.S. everyone is being retarded. Seriously retarded. Honestly retarded. For real, I'm not making this up. Completely fucking stupid. I feel like I woke up in another diminsion because people I didn't have on my idiot list are coming out of the woodwork to be stupid. Is there a full moon? End of the world near? I'm scared.

[dissipate]

Damn everyone hates GUBA so much - they're still makin me money!

Mo money mo problems

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by dissipate

Damn everyone hates GUBA so much - they're still makin me money!

Mo money mo problems

I love GUBA for pointing out the idiots on this board. Every last crying one of them, it's truly unbelievable.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by chadglni

I love GUBA for pointing out the idiots on this board. Every last crying one of them, it's truly unbelievable.

Funny thing, tho - that works both ways.

But then again, your opinion comes from someone who apparently hasn't lost any livelihood from having your content stolen and made available by Guba.

So until you walk that proverbial mile in the shoes of someone who has, its just another opinion not backed up by the reality of experience.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Funny thing, tho - that works both ways.

But then again, your opinion comes from someone who apparently hasn't lost any livelihood from having your content stolen and made available by Guba.

So until you walk that proverbial mile in the shoes of someone who has, its just another opinion not backed up by the reality of experience.

I don't have to walk the proverbial mile to form an opinion. There are millions of things I will never do or experience that I have an opinion on. My opinion is based on several facts and 500 idiots crying today and threatening to pull ad revenue. The outcries over GUBA are hysterical on 500 levels, none of which anyone has had a chance to think about because they're too busy crying like morons.

[Kevsh]

Originally Posted by chadglni

The outcries over GUBA are hysterical on 500 levels

Name one.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Kevsh

Name one.

He doesn't have to. He is the great Chadgini. He's already laid out such a well-reasoned airtight well-thought-out argument that content producers like SilentKnight & co are blown away.

Why complicate all that success with reason?

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

He doesn't have to. He is the great Chadgini. He's already laid out such a well-reasoned airtight well-thought-out argument that content producers like SilentKnight & co are blown away.

Why complicate all that success with reason?

List a well thought out reason for what, do you think even one of the idiots will quit crying? Hell fucking no, not a chance in hell. I've been up 40 hours, if I feel like typing up a long reply in a few I might. Don't count on it though, I'm here for my amusement more than yours.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by chadglni

I don't have to walk the proverbial mile to form an opinion.

'Nuff said.

The rest is rather redundant.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by chadglni

List a well thought out reason for what, do you think even one of the idiots will quit crying? Hell fucking no, not a chance in hell. I've been up 40 hours, if I feel like typing up a long reply in a few I might. Don't count on it though, I'm here for my amusement more than yours.

Believe me, I was amused here long before you logged in.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

'Nuff said.

The rest is rather redundant.

I take it you never walked a mile in GUBA's shoes. Shame on you for giving them shit on a message board, you don't know how hard their life is!

Idiot.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Believe me, I was amused here long before you logged in.

Good to know.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

'Nuff said.

The rest is rather redundant.

ha ha.... yes, any idiot can form an opinion.

Informed opinions however, are obviously grossly overrated. :D

[chadglni]

P.S. your jokes blow.

[Corona]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

But then again, your opinion comes from someone who apparently hasn't lost any livelihood from having your content stolen and made available by Guba.

If I was a content producer I'm sure I would be upset about my content floating around the web for free.

But doesn't Guba just charge surfers $15 to show them the same pictures that they could see for free just by going directly to the newsgroup?

If they close up shop today how does that change the fact your content is still available in the newsgroups?

I'm not trying to start shit with you just trying to understand this better.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by chadglni

P.S. your jokes blow.

Then I expect you'll be refraining from reading them in future?



"my jokes"... you really think I wrote them?

[Donny]

Originally Posted by chadglni

I take it you never walked a mile in GUBA's shoes. Shame on you for giving them shit on a message board, you don't know how hard their life is!

Idiot.

No, you're the idiot in this thread. I can't believe you don't see that GUBA is not only stealing content, but then reselling it. So, how about if you write an award winning screenplay and give it to GUBA so they can make the money from it?

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Donny

No, you're the idiot in this thread. I can't believe you don't see that GUBA is not only stealing content, but then reselling it. So, how about if you write an award winning screenplay and give it to GUBA so they can make the money from it?

Ok captain save a hoe. Chop up any more gallery templates your "partners" made for you lately breaking more copyright laws than models you've shot? I repeat, a whole fucking board of ignorant apes.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Kevsh

Name one.

A number of people saying Guba are crooks, use content they never bought and are not licensed to use.

Program owners flood the internet with their content via TGP galleries and free sites and then complain about one of the places that it's available. You can argue about how they're repackaging and thus reselling the content, but the same people were complaining when all they did was provide access.

Program owners turn a blind eye to their affiliates ripping off all their content to promote their sites, hosting FHGs on their own servers (that they're not licensed to do) and yet complain when someone steals from them.

Content producers continue to do business with the prorgams that let their affiliates do the above.

Shall I go on with the hypocrissy? I can guarentee that if a ton of the people complaining were looked into, it would be found that they support theft, fraud or something else questionable in one form or another whether it's turning a blind eye or supporting it on the "downlow".

And no, I don't promote Guba or support theft.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Corona

If I was a content producer I'm sure I would be upset about my content floating around the web for free.

But doesn't Guba just charge surfers $15 to show them the same pictures that they could see for free just by going directly to the newsgroup?

If they close up shop today how does that change the fact your content is still available in the newsgroups?

I'm not trying to start shit with you just trying to understand this better.

The issue is that our content is not always put on Usenet by us. When we post to Usenet, it is always a small quantity (10-12 pics) that we've hand picked as being 'promotional write-offs'. And those same ones get used in other places for promo and advertising.

We're talking about mass quantities of images posted by surfers who have gotten them from our websites and freely reposted them to Usenet.

And as I've pointed out in other threads, newsgroup servers generally have a very short posting retention span compared to the duration those same photos remain on Guba for their paying members.

Either way, if the surfers see the images for free on Usenet (which is bad enough)....at least they're free - and not contributing to the revenue profits going in to the pockets of exploitive scumbags like Guba.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Ok captain save a hoe. Chop up any more gallery templates your "partners" made for you lately breaking more copyright laws than models you've shot? I repeat, a whole fucking board of ignorant apes.

Your ignorance is amazing. You'll notice that the person you're referring to who was whining has ceased? I'm pretty sure he realizes how silly he was in that. I never chopped up a thing, dumb ass. Someone else did and because I knew and worked closely with them I was blamed. Get your facts straight.


And trying to redirect attention to irrelevent issues is pretty pathetic. The matter at hand is that GUBA steals content and resells it. Pure and simple. it doesn't matter if 5 other sites or 5 million other sites do it, it's wrong.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by chadglni

I take it you never walked a mile in GUBA's shoes. Shame on you for giving them shit on a message board, you don't know how hard their life is!

Idiot.

Let's let your statement above stand as example of your deep thought process at work here.

I'm ashamed to have you as a fellow countryman.

[chadglni]

Since he named one I'll name another. Go dig up all the posts of people TODAY with "Guba should be sued", "We're gonna get their ass", etc etc et fuckin cetera.

Now look how long GUBA has been around, 1998. That's right almost a damn decade. Being that they are still in business I guess we can just assume that out of all the people they've pissed off they've never been sued! They obviously don't know shit and will be shut down as soon as some bigshot from GFY hears about this! Nope, you can believe they have lawyers flowing out their ass and you can believe they don't give 2 shits what anyone says. Why? Because there isn't a fucking thing anyone can do. They are making content that is publically available searchable.

People also keep making the argument that they are different from google because they actually archive the stuff on their servers. Well hot damn, wtf does google and a plethora of other sites do? They going to be shutting their doors soon to? Yes they moderate shit to an extent but do you think they look at every fucking picture on the internet? Making millions of files searchable is no easy task and it's impossible to keep the bad shit out regardless of how gung ho some GFY flamer is today. If managing millions of files were oh so easy google would have no child porn on their servers correct?

Then to top it off, the number of pure fucking hypocrites bitching has my sides splitting. As just one example look at Smockey all high and moral about GUBA and their stolen content. I guess he checked those morals at the door when he HACKED THE FUCKING BOARD multiple times. And then we have donny in this thread bitching at me about copyrights when anyone can search for his Fletchxxx drama and see his real stance on that matter.

Again, thanks for the laughs, it's been a great fucking day. Sorry for the run-ons I'm on 45 hours awake and loving life.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Donny

Your ignorance is amazing. You'll notice that the person you're referring to who was whining has ceased? I'm pretty sure he realizes how silly he was in that. I never chopped up a thing, dumb ass. Someone else did and because I knew and worked closely with them I was blamed. Get your facts straight.


And trying to redirect attention to irrelevent issues is pretty pathetic. The matter at hand is that GUBA steals content and resells it. Pure and simple. it doesn't matter if 5 other sites or 5 million other sites do it, it's wrong.

Your friend used shit another friend trusted you with and in the end you FUCKED ONE FOR THE OTHER. Yes he dropped it just as you knew he would. We both know he's never going to bother suing your ass for violating copyrights on galleries. He wanted the money and settled for XXXXX digits less than he would have seen from you in court, especially with your shit ass attitude during the entire matter.

This is just my opinion of course, I'm no lawyer.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Again, thanks for the laughs, it's been a great fucking day. Sorry for the run-ons I'm on 45 hours awake and loving life.

Drug users typically say stupid things. Here's another example.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Since he named one I'll name another. Go dig up all the posts of people TODAY with "Guba should be sued", "We're gonna get their ass", etc etc et fuckin cetera.

Now look how long GUBA has been around, 1998. That's right almost a damn decade. Being that they are still in business I guess we can just assume that out of all the people they've pissed off they've never been sued! They obviously don't know shit and will be shut down as soon as some bigshot from GFY hears about this! Nope, you can believe they have lawyers flowing out their ass and you can believe they don't give 2 shits what anyone says. Why? Because there isn't a fucking thing anyone can do. They are making content that is publically available searchable.

People also keep making the argument that they are different from google because they actually archive the stuff on their servers. Well hot damn, wtf does google and a plethora of other sites do? They going to be shutting their doors soon to? Yes they moderate shit to an extent but do you think they look at every fucking picture on the internet? Making millions of files searchable is no easy task and it's impossible to keep the bad shit out regardless of how gung ho some GFY flamer is today. If managing millions of files were oh so easy google would have no child porn on their servers correct?

Then to top it off, the number of pure fucking hypocrites bitching has my sides splitting. As just one example look at Smockey all high and moral about GUBA and their stolen content. I guess he checked those morals at the door when he HACKED THE FUCKING BOARD multiple times. And then we have donny in this thread bitching at me about copyrights when anyone can search for his Fletchxxx drama and see his real stance on that matter.

Again, thanks for the laughs, it's been a great fucking day. Sorry for the run-ons I'm on 45 hours awake and loving life.

So when did Google or Yahoo skin GFY? (did anyone see this happen recently, just curious...)

And when did they start charging to access content? And when did they strip headers and msg. bodies from the images?

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

So when did Google or Yahoo skin GFY? (did anyone see this happen recently, just curious...)

And when did they start charging to access content? And when did they strip headers and msg. bodies from the images?

In a court of law it doesn't matter how your company makes money if your content is illegal, it's the fact that you do. If anything could be done there would be no search engines, no ISPs, no IPSP's, no email accounts, no nothing. This just happens to be a subject that touches everyones iced over hearts here so we have to listen to the crying for a few days.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Your friend used shit another friend trusted you with and in the end you FUCKED ONE FOR THE OTHER. Yes he dropped it just as you knew he would. We both know he's never going to bother suing your ass for violating copyrights on galleries. He wanted the money and settled for XXXXX digits less than he would have seen from you in court, especially with your shit ass attitude during the entire matter.

This is just my opinion of course, I'm no lawyer.

You're such a stupid fuck. Let me ask you a question: do you think you should go to jail for a crime committed by a friend? Nope. See me in court? For something a FRIEND of mine allegedly did? You ARE high, aren't you?

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Donny

Drug users typically say stupid things. Here's another example.

Never touched a drug in my life. You however have been arguments with "friends" over misused copyrighted material. But it's ok, you paid a nice few hundred dollar bribe and actually think you did him a favor.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Donny

You're such a stupid fuck. Let me ask you a question: do you think you should go to jail for a crime committed by a friend? Nope. See me in court? For something a FRIEND of mine allegedly did? You ARE high, aren't you?

It was your partner, partner is a bit different than friends donny boy.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

So when did Google or Yahoo skin GFY? (did anyone see this happen recently, just curious...)

And when did they start charging to access content? And when did they strip headers and msg. bodies from the images?

I was wondering this myself.

I was also wondering if GUBA provides links along with the images they use to the rightful owners site..... because that's what Google does.

Honestly, I know several webmasters whom I consider friends who promote GUBA, so I'm trying to read both sides in this issue (on numerous threads I might add!) in order to form one of them there overrated informed opinions. :D

So far I'm not too crazy about the "everyone's doing it so why shouldn't they?" argument. But I've never been a huge fan of justifying one's position that way.

Anyhoo, carry on. My amusement comes first.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by chadglni

It was your partner, partner is a bit different than friends donny boy.

The sites in question were sites in which I owned absolutely ZERO percent, so you're wrong again, dumb ass.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Anyhoo, carry on. My amusement comes first.

As it should. And remember if your friend fucks your partner over and uses copyrighted material he has no rights to, a $500 bribe and a go fuck yourself is all you need. It should work for GUBA as well as anyone else so weight that in while forming your opinion.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Donny

The sites in question were sites in which I owned absolutely ZERO percent. You're wrong again, dumb ass.

Were those the same sites you cut Fletch out of his percentage on or a different set of sites? By the way, I'm not a Fletch fan boy. I actually hate his guts, but you are self loving, shit don't stink, certified idiot if there ever was one.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I was wondering this myself.

I was also wondering if GUBA provides links along with the images they use to the rightful owners site..... because that's what Google does.

No, they don't of course. The only link (non-clickable) would be a visible logo link in the image itself.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

So far I'm not too crazy about the "everyone's doing it so why shouldn't they?" argument. But I've never been a huge fan of justifying one's position that way.

And that argument seems to predominate in several threads, too.

I'd ask my children (ages 12 & 15) what their answer would be to the question "Do two wrongs make a right?"...but they're asleep at the moment - and I already know what their answer would be.

[Spider Ninja]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Sue me.

I love usenet ;-)

[Donny]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Were those the same sites you cut Fletch out of his percentage on or a different set of sites? By the way, I'm not a Fletch fan boy. I actually hate his guts, but you are self loving, shit don't stink, certified idiot if there ever was one.

Completely different situations. Those were two seperate whines from the same person. I've been in the business for 8 years and the only time claims were made that I fucked someone over was when this same whining designer jumped the gun and went to the boards without taking the time to THINK first. The same guy has whined about others, too. It's very apparent where the true problem lies.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by chadglni

In a court of law it doesn't matter how your company makes money if your content is illegal, it's the fact that you do. If anything could be done there would be no search engines, no ISPs, no IPSP's, no email accounts, no nothing. This just happens to be a subject that touches everyones iced over hearts here so we have to listen to the crying for a few days.

A refresher course in your expertise, prowess and experience in such matters:

Originally Posted by chadglni

I don't have to walk the proverbial mile to form an opinion.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by chadglni

As it should. And remember if your friend fucks your partner over and uses copyrighted material he has no rights to, a $500 bribe and a go fuck yourself is all you need. It should work for GUBA as well as anyone else so weight that in while forming your opinion.

Bringing Donny & Fletch's issue into this is, well, a bit impudent if not a useless waste of time. It's a separate issue all together. If you're going to make the effort to support your viewpoint on the GUBA issue it would be better served to keep the focus.

However, if theft is the common denominator in both issues, it doesn't make anyone's argument stronger by using one to justify the other. After all, no matter which conflict you're talking about, theft is theft. It's easy to take an opposing viewpoint when it isn't your property being targetted by said theft.

But that's just my opinion. I'm certainly not in the same league as some of the debate captains I find myself surrounded by on GFY. :D

[Kevsh]

Originally Posted by Tempest

A number of people saying Guba are crooks, use content they never bought and are not licensed to use.

Program owners flood the internet with their content via TGP galleries and free sites and then complain about one of the places that it's available. You can argue about how they're repackaging and thus reselling the content, but the same people were complaining when all they did was provide access.

Program owners turn a blind eye to their affiliates ripping off all their content to promote their sites, hosting FHGs on their own servers (that they're not licensed to do) and yet complain when someone steals from them.

Content producers continue to do business with the prorgams that let their affiliates do the above.

Shall I go on with the hypocrissy? I can guarentee that if a ton of the people complaining were looked into, it would be found that they support theft, fraud or something else questionable in one form or another whether it's turning a blind eye or supporting it on the "downlow".

And no, I don't promote Guba or support theft.

All well and fine, but you and Chadgenius (and others) are missing the point. The real issue is that Guba (temporarily) skinned GFY and they allowed it.

We can go on and on all day/night (we have already, actually) about morality, yadda yadda, but many people here were rightly offended when Guba's name, banners, etc. were all over this board.

(to bite for a second: Aff's ripping off content from their sponsor is not comparable: The Aff's are sending the traffic back to the sponsor, Guba is not, to my knowledge)

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

After all, no matter which conflict you're talking about, theft is theft. It's easy to take an opposing viewpoint when it isn't your property being targetted by said theft.

Well said.

Nothing ventured...nothing gained (except an opinion apparently).

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

A refresher course in your expertise, prowess and experience in such matters:

It does not matter if you make money by making someones copyrighted works accessible for a fee or if you put up copyrighted material and slap ads all around it, it's the same fucking thing in a court of law. If it weren't everyone and their grandma would have your shit posted just with ads instead of signup forms. Did you really need clarification on this point?

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Bringing Donny & Fletch's issue into this is, well, a bit impudent if not a useless waste of time. It's a separate issue all together. If you're going to make the effort to support your viewpoint on the GUBA issue it would be better served to keep the focus.

However, if theft is the common denominator in both issues, it doesn't make anyone's argument stronger by using one to justify the other. After all, no matter which conflict you're talking about, theft is theft. It's easy to take an opposing viewpoint when it isn't your property being targetted by said theft.

But that's just my opinion. I'm certainly not in the same league as some of the debate captains I find myself surrounded by on GFY. :D

Very relevant to pointing out the hypocrisy of people when it's something that is near to them. Same people don't give a flying fuck about movie clips in their friends signature or a number of other forms of the same thing. I could give a shit about signatures or GUBA. Just something else to amuse myself with.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Kevsh

All well and fine, but you and Chadgenius (and others) are missing the point. The real issue is that Guba (temporarily) skinned GFY and they allowed it.

We can go on and on all day/night (we have already, actually) about morality, yadda yadda, but many people here were rightly offended when Guba's name, banners, etc. were all over this board.

(to bite for a second: Aff's ripping off content from their sponsor is not comparable: The Aff's are sending the traffic back to the sponsor, Guba is not, to my knowledge)

I was bitching at the people throwing the arguments I disputed around. Although GFY has made it pretty clear in the past that they don't give a flying fuck what you think. Few advertisers leave someone will be there to pick up the slack. For every GUBA bashing thread on the front page there is a webmaster too chickenshit to tell you he promotes them or would promote them lurking. You are content, you will be treated like shit, and in the end you have a choice of whether or not you post here. So why are ALL of the complainers still here. (Maybe Lenny2 really left? which would make him the only one actually standing up for what he believes.)

[fetishblog]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Funny thing, tho - that works both ways.

But then again, your opinion comes from someone who apparently hasn't lost any livelihood from having your content stolen and made available by Guba.

So until you walk that proverbial mile in the shoes of someone who has, its just another opinion not backed up by the reality of experience.

The last time I checked, access to USENET is free. Therefore GUBA is only scraping the newsgroups. They don't have any control over what the users of USENET post to the newsgroups. Sure they can filter things, but when they do, users will just go elsewhere, like back to the newsgroups.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Kevsh

(to bite for a second: Aff's ripping off content from their sponsor is not comparable: The Aff's are sending the traffic back to the sponsor, Guba is not, to my knowledge)

The content producer is the one getting ass raped in this case, the program is benifiting from the "theft". Why we don't see content producers all offended and going after the programs for this violation of their licensing agreements is beyond me. Other than they need the programs to keep buying content. i.e. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. In other words, steal from me all you want as long as I keep making some money. In the case of Guba, they're not making the money and that's why they're pissed off. So theft of their stuff is A-Ok as long as there's $$$ in it for them.

[jjjay]

this thread seems relevant somehow