I'm taking a break from GFY - GoFuckYourself.com

borked · 11-26-2010, 03:06 PM

1. The fruitcakes I can stand - mildly entertaining even.

2. The intellectual people I can argue with - what I love about GFY cos it's full of them.

3. The pig ignorant trolls I can manage (noone is on my ignore list)

It's those that are mix of 2 and 3 that are dangerous - are not stupid, but a troll at the same time. OK, I've learned to semi-engage.

The lurkers I despise - they are the most dangerous.

I'm sure the "debate" (is that even possible on GFY?) on IP address badgering will continue in infinite concentric circles just as I'm sure the majority will still offer their content up for pirating (and then complain it is pirated).

Things have changed a lot for me recently and GFY can no longer take a place in my heart for goofing around. I'll still carry on coding and doing stuff for people - don't worry on that.

Just stuff has gotten too personal on GFY so I would like this to die down. I'm still doing my own thing to help people detect their copyrighted works (I love that challenge, so that will not end) and something is close like 1-2 months from a solid app you can all use.

It's just this goofing around has gotten out of hand and the personal attacking emails I can do without. It's coming up to Christmas, which is where I wind down anyway to spend a few weeks in the mountains with my family, so I'm going to just bow out of GFY now and come back when I have something more useful on the plate (which will probably come under a new nick).

There are far too many armchair warriors out there and given public info and shit, I never protected myself enough.

I wish you all well in your continued battles and throw a jab in now and then from me. I will be back, just not in the next few months - things on the table are far more important.

I love you all ('cept you lurkers)

2intense · 11-26-2010, 03:08 PM

Agent 488 · 11-26-2010, 03:08 PM

name names.

CurrentlySober · 11-26-2010, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

The lurkers I despise - they are the most dangerous.

Very true. Enjoy your break and come back refreshed and ready for battle lol

fatfoo · 11-26-2010, 03:11 PM

Good luck with taking a break from GFY, borked. I like when people message me in the way I want. Message me on online forums, email and ICQ. Write anything you want and I will be glad to read responses. Right now I am not getting enough spam, anyway. I thought that it's easy and fast to sort through relevant and irrelevant messages.

Cyber Fucker · 11-26-2010, 03:13 PM

Too bad, you have always been very helpful with tech stuff.

alias · 11-26-2010, 03:14 PM

Haters gonna hate, have a nice break dude.

borked · 11-26-2010, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

name names.

Nope - you are one of the limited "anonymous nicks" I actually value since your posting deserve anonymity. I should have taken a similar path in my numerous domain name acquisitions.

The big boys rule and I hope it will be their shortcoming. In any case something will be coming out to help even the littlest of tadpoles and the biggest of sharks fight this shit. And to hell with the bullying (in whatever form).

Cyber Fucker · 11-26-2010, 03:18 PM

May I send you an email with an invitation to join something special?

borked · 11-26-2010, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker

May I send you an email with an invitation to join something special?

given your sig, does it involve me getting naked 3d in front of my webcam?

in any case, of course - I'm still open for ideas, new things, coding, etc. I just need to break from GFY for a bit....
(email in sig)

Agent 488 · 11-26-2010, 03:26 PM

"Now cracks a noble heart. Good-night, sweet prince.
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest."

signupdamnit · 11-26-2010, 03:34 PM

Take care, borked. Remember the only reason they are doing it is because they have a lot to lose. You can use that to your advantage.

Cyber Fucker · 11-26-2010, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

given your sig, does it involve me getting naked 3d in front of my webcam?

No, it's more like new web industry people community.

Thx, I will send it soon.

Barefootsies · 11-26-2010, 03:42 PM

Peace out BROmance.

$5 submissions · 11-26-2010, 03:43 PM

Enjoy your break, man

borked · 11-26-2010, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

"Now cracks a noble heart. Good-night, sweet prince.
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest."

Why does the drum come hither?

I was Osric when I was 15....

"to take arms against a sea of troubles. And, by opposing, end them."

borked · 11-26-2010, 03:56 PM

Reasoning for those not in the know - I recently received "threatening emails" the threat being an attached image of a recent google streetcam view of me and my daughter (5yo) picking up leaves outside the house. The threat email simply said:

"Just drop it
<20101104.jpg>
"
My daughter was the only one looking directly at the big monstrosity of a camera.

So, lesson learned with DN privacy, so I'll bow out for a bit. Some serious fucked up weirdos here - and that is the truth.

--edit
I made a request to google for the image to be removed, with the email that was sent to me, and it disappeared within 24 hours of the request. No email confirmation no nothing.

_Richard_ · 11-26-2010, 04:04 PM

adieu, adieu

edit: that's messed man, sorry to hear that.

u-Bob · 11-26-2010, 04:07 PM

Now how am I going to find out what the weather is like outside?

signupdamnit · 11-26-2010, 04:10 PM

There are some real scumbags here and probably in high places. Did you report it to the police? If it were I, I'd probably do the opposite and hit up my local media and whoever else would listen about it too. It's a lot harder to fuck with you when people are watching. Such people tend not to want attention. Then again I don't have kids and I don't blame you.

borked · 11-26-2010, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Now how am I going to find out what the weather is like outside?

buy a Mac, navigate to
http://www.geoplugin.com/geoexamples...er/weather.gif

in Safrai

select File >> Open In Dashboard

select the area of th image by clicking the image, then it's there - just click f12 to get to dashboard and you have the GFY Weather

Price of Mac not included

ThumbLord · 11-26-2010, 04:38 PM

Now how am I going to find out what the weather is like outside?
jeez man.

CurrentlySober · 11-26-2010, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

buy a Mac, navigate to
http://www.geoplugin.com/geoexamples...er/weather.gif

in Safrai

select File >> Open In Dashboard

select the area of th image by clicking the image, then it's there - just click f12 to get to dashboard and you have the GFY Weather

Price of Mac not included

It worked as well !

selena · 11-26-2010, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Reasoning for those not in the know - I recently received "threatening emails" the threat being an attached image of a recent google streetcam view of me and my daughter (5yo) picking up leaves outside the house. The threat email simply said:

"Just drop it
<20101104.jpg>
"
My daughter was the only one looking directly at the big monstrosity of a camera.

So, lesson learned with DN privacy, so I'll bow out for a bit. Some serious fucked up weirdos here - and that is the truth.

--edit
I made a request to google for the image to be removed, with the email that was sent to me, and it disappeared within 24 hours of the request. No email confirmation no nothing.

That's fucked up.

Enjoy your break from here. I hope the holidays are good for you and yours, and your work is productive.

Zuzana Designs · 11-26-2010, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Reasoning for those not in the know - I recently received "threatening emails" the threat being an attached image of a recent google streetcam view of me and my daughter (5yo) picking up leaves outside the house. The threat email simply said:

"Just drop it
<20101104.jpg>
"
My daughter was the only one looking directly at the big monstrosity of a camera.

So, lesson learned with DN privacy, so I'll bow out for a bit. Some serious fucked up weirdos here - and that is the truth.

--edit
I made a request to google for the image to be removed, with the email that was sent to me, and it disappeared within 24 hours of the request. No email confirmation no nothing.

That's really fucked up! I get threatening e-mails all the time and it's not something to take lightly. People are crazy!

charlie g · 11-26-2010, 05:44 PM

Holy Shit that's fucked. Personal threats are one thing but when they threaten family.... not cool.

Machete_ · 11-26-2010, 05:55 PM

just drop it.

RyuLion · 11-26-2010, 06:07 PM

Yeap, I take breaks on Holidays..

RycEric · 11-26-2010, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Reasoning for those not in the know - I recently received "threatening emails" the threat being an attached image of a recent google streetcam view of me and my daughter (5yo) picking up leaves outside the house. The threat email simply said:

"Just drop it
<20101104.jpg>
"
My daughter was the only one looking directly at the big monstrosity of a camera.

So, lesson learned with DN privacy, so I'll bow out for a bit. Some serious fucked up weirdos here - and that is the truth.

--edit
I made a request to google for the image to be removed, with the email that was sent to me, and it disappeared within 24 hours of the request. No email confirmation no nothing.

Welcome to the "fight" club.

Tempest · 11-26-2010, 06:42 PM

I've never understood why, on a board like this, one would be so open about their biz, life etc when it's clearly filled with people that have no qualms about fucking you over given the chance. Those that need to know who you are etc. are the only ones that should get that info.

TurboAngel · 11-26-2010, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Reasoning for those not in the know - I recently received "threatening emails" the threat being an attached image of a recent google streetcam view of me and my daughter (5yo) picking up leaves outside the house. The threat email simply said:

"Just drop it
<20101104.jpg>
"
My daughter was the only one looking directly at the big monstrosity of a camera.

So, lesson learned with DN privacy, so I'll bow out for a bit. Some serious fucked up weirdos here - and that is the truth.

--edit
I made a request to google for the image to be removed, with the email that was sent to me, and it disappeared within 24 hours of the request. No email confirmation no nothing.

That's fucked up.

Spunky · 11-26-2010, 09:39 PM

No need for that kind of shit at all.it is just a message board ,that's crossing the line

baddog · 11-26-2010, 10:08 PM

That is pretty screwed up, but I have my doubts it is a lurker. Granted there are a ton more lurkers than actual posters, but none that have introduced themselves to me gave me any reason to not be happy to make their acquaintance.

Is there a reason why you suspect a lurker and not one of our many trolls?

theking · 11-26-2010, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

I've never understood why, on a board like this, one would be so open about their biz, life etc when it's clearly filled with people that have no qualms about fucking you over given the chance. Those that need to know who you are etc. are the only ones that should get that info.

I have pretty much followed those rules...but still got a threatening phone call from some asshole on this board...and I immediately changed my phone number. I also had my server hacked and my suspicion level is high that it was someone from this board. Even yet I am pressed to reveal my sites and identify myself even though I have said no...a thousand times no.

DWB · 11-27-2010, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Reasoning for those not in the know - I recently received "threatening emails" the threat being an attached image of a recent google streetcam view of me and my daughter (5yo) picking up leaves outside the house. The threat email simply said:

"Just drop it
<20101104.jpg>
"
My daughter was the only one looking directly at the big monstrosity of a camera.

So, lesson learned with DN privacy, so I'll bow out for a bit. Some serious fucked up weirdos here - and that is the truth.

--edit
I made a request to google for the image to be removed, with the email that was sent to me, and it disappeared within 24 hours of the request. No email confirmation no nothing.

Sorry to hear about this Andy.

There are indeed some very sick people here. Not just on GFY, but in this business. It breeds weirdos, bottom feeders and unstable people.

marlboroack · 11-27-2010, 03:47 AM

But remember those guys make nothing and have ugly wives... See ya even if i didn't know ya

CunningStunt · 11-27-2010, 03:53 AM

That's fucked up. Some people on here deserve to disappear.

Hopefully see you around once the dust clears.

nikki99 · 11-27-2010, 03:57 AM

see u soon

ottopottomouse · 11-27-2010, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Reasoning for those not in the know - I recently received "threatening emails" the threat being an attached image of a recent google streetcam view of me and my daughter (5yo) picking up leaves outside the house. The threat email simply said:

"Just drop it
<20101104.jpg>
"
My daughter was the only one looking directly at the big monstrosity of a camera.

So, lesson learned with DN privacy, so I'll bow out for a bit. Some serious fucked up weirdos here - and that is the truth.

--edit
I made a request to google for the image to be removed, with the email that was sent to me, and it disappeared within 24 hours of the request. No email confirmation no nothing.

That's fucking nasty.

Zyber · 11-27-2010, 05:32 AM

Sad to see you go, borked. You are a great asset for the adult community.

Hope to see you come back again some day, stronger than ever.

CaptainHowdy · 11-27-2010, 06:52 AM

Never expect a serious debate on a place called "Go Fuck Yourself"....

CyberHustler · 11-27-2010, 08:46 AM

That shit ain't cool... Always get domain privacy, and still use an address you don't have your family at. There's all kinds of ways to do this.

It's a shame... but fuck it. Working online still beats everything else.

Supz · 11-27-2010, 09:57 AM

you will be ....... forgotten

j/k

enjoy your holiday with your family!

borked · 11-27-2010, 04:08 PM

Thanks for the kind words guys - this will be my last post for a few months. Like supz said, I'll be forgotten cos I've seen this happen many times on GFY before - I won't leave forever cos I love this place too much and my persona is just a drop in the GFY ocean!

However, I do agree with you all that this is just fucked up - Eric has the email headers to see if poss anyone here lights up (but it was sent from a blackberry using an anon email service). GFY no doubt cos the reply address was gfy. Lurker no idea BB, but I just assumed cos noone has ever engaged me in threads at all... I just assumed.

We were moving house anyway so this is the perfect time to scratch a fresh online persona.

Seems like a good time to sell also. We were already in the pool of selling house, so why not amalgamate everything and sell domains too. geoPlugin . com most here know I run - I have a valid letter here from Google that is 4 months old with an offer to buy the site (they used the webservice for Google Wave which is clearly viewable in their code) that I refused - I'm prepared to let this non-profit site go now. I will send google's offer letter to serious buyers, but you have to "easily" match it... this is a non-profit site but what do 5-7 million hits (2-4mill javascript) hits mean to you?

Voila why not turn my bye bye thread into a sale thread? I'm changing my identify so it's all up for sale. (shameless plug!!!!)

11-26-2010, 03:06 PM	#1
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	I'm taking a break from GFY 1. The fruitcakes I can stand - mildly entertaining even. 2. The intellectual people I can argue with - what I love about GFY cos it's full of them. 3. The pig ignorant trolls I can manage (noone is on my ignore list) It's those that are mix of 2 and 3 that are dangerous - are not stupid, but a troll at the same time. OK, I've learned to semi-engage. The lurkers I despise - they are the most dangerous. I'm sure the "debate" (is that even possible on GFY?) on IP address badgering will continue in infinite concentric circles just as I'm sure the majority will still offer their content up for pirating (and then complain it is pirated). Things have changed a lot for me recently and GFY can no longer take a place in my heart for goofing around. I'll still carry on coding and doing stuff for people - don't worry on that. Just stuff has gotten too personal on GFY so I would like this to die down. I'm still doing my own thing to help people detect their copyrighted works (I love that challenge, so that will not end) and something is close like 1-2 months from a solid app you can all use. It's just this goofing around has gotten out of hand and the personal attacking emails I can do without. It's coming up to Christmas, which is where I wind down anyway to spend a few weeks in the mountains with my family, so I'm going to just bow out of GFY now and come back when I have something more useful on the plate (which will probably come under a new nick). There are far too many armchair warriors out there and given public info and shit, I never protected myself enough. I wish you all well in your continued battles and throw a jab in now and then from me. I will be back, just not in the next few months - things on the table are far more important. I love you all ('cept you lurkers) __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

11-26-2010, 03:08 PM	#2
2intense Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Google Posts: 12,459	bye __________________ Most Affordable Firewall & Malware Protection for Linux Servers

11-26-2010, 03:11 PM	#5
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	Good luck with taking a break from GFY, borked. I like when people message me in the way I want. Message me on online forums, email and ICQ. Write anything you want and I will be glad to read responses. Right now I am not getting enough spam, anyway. I thought that it's easy and fast to sort through relevant and irrelevant messages. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected] Last edited by fatfoo; 11-26-2010 at 03:16 PM..

11-26-2010, 03:13 PM	#6
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	Too bad, you have always been very helpful with tech stuff. __________________

11-26-2010, 03:14 PM	#7
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Haters gonna hate, have a nice break dude. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

11-26-2010, 03:08 PM	#3
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	name names.

11-26-2010, 03:18 PM	#9
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	May I send you an email with an invitation to join something special? __________________

11-26-2010, 03:26 PM	#11
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	"Now cracks a noble heart. Good-night, sweet prince. And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest."

11-26-2010, 03:34 PM	#12
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	Take care, borked. Remember the only reason they are doing it is because they have a lot to lose. You can use that to your advantage.

11-26-2010, 03:42 PM	#14
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	Peace out BROmance. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

11-26-2010, 03:43 PM	#15
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11-26-2010, 03:56 PM	#17
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	Reasoning for those not in the know - I recently received "threatening emails" the threat being an attached image of a recent google streetcam view of me and my daughter (5yo) picking up leaves outside the house. The threat email simply said: "Just drop it <20101104.jpg> " My daughter was the only one looking directly at the big monstrosity of a camera. So, lesson learned with DN privacy, so I'll bow out for a bit. Some serious fucked up weirdos here - and that is the truth. --edit I made a request to google for the image to be removed, with the email that was sent to me, and it disappeared within 24 hours of the request. No email confirmation no nothing. __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202 Last edited by borked; 11-26-2010 at 04:01 PM..

11-26-2010, 04:04 PM	#18
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	adieu, adieu edit: that's messed man, sorry to hear that. Last edited by _Richard_; 11-26-2010 at 04:06 PM..

11-26-2010, 04:07 PM	#19
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	Now how am I going to find out what the weather is like outside?

11-26-2010, 04:10 PM	#20
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	There are some real scumbags here and probably in high places. Did you report it to the police? If it were I, I'd probably do the opposite and hit up my local media and whoever else would listen about it too. It's a lot harder to fuck with you when people are watching. Such people tend not to want attention. Then again I don't have kids and I don't blame you.

11-26-2010, 04:38 PM	#22
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11-26-2010, 05:44 PM	#26
charlie g Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Center of the Universe Posts: 2,759	Holy Shit that's fucked. Personal threats are one thing but when they threaten family.... not cool. __________________ AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com -------------------------------

11-26-2010, 05:55 PM	#27
Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	just drop it.

11-26-2010, 06:07 PM	#28
RyuLion ClubDomCash.com Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 32,231	Yeap, I take breaks on Holidays.. __________________ Adult Biz Consultant A tech head since 1995

11-26-2010, 06:42 PM	#30
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I've never understood why, on a board like this, one would be so open about their biz, life etc when it's clearly filled with people that have no qualms about fucking you over given the chance. Those that need to know who you are etc. are the only ones that should get that info.

11-26-2010, 09:39 PM	#32
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,934	No need for that kind of shit at all.it is just a message board ,that's crossing the line __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

11-26-2010, 10:08 PM	#33
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	That is pretty screwed up, but I have my doubts it is a lurker. Granted there are a ton more lurkers than actual posters, but none that have introduced themselves to me gave me any reason to not be happy to make their acquaintance. Is there a reason why you suspect a lurker and not one of our many trolls?

11-27-2010, 03:47 AM	#36
marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	But remember those guys make nothing and have ugly wives... See ya even if i didn't know ya

11-27-2010, 03:53 AM	#37
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	That's fucked up. Some people on here deserve to disappear. Hopefully see you around once the dust clears.

11-27-2010, 03:57 AM	#38
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11-27-2010, 05:32 AM	#40
Zyber Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 832	Sad to see you go, borked. You are a great asset for the adult community. Hope to see you come back again some day, stronger than ever.

11-27-2010, 06:52 AM	#41
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,419	Never expect a serious debate on a place called "Go Fuck Yourself".... __________________ "Tjeezers.cam wishes you a nice day”

11-27-2010, 08:46 AM	#42
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,030	That shit ain't cool... Always get domain privacy, and still use an address you don't have your family at. There's all kinds of ways to do this. It's a shame... but fuck it. Working online still beats everything else.

11-27-2010, 09:57 AM	#43
Supz Arthur Flegenheimer Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 11,056	you will be ....... forgotten j/k enjoy your holiday with your family!

11-27-2010, 04:08 PM	#44
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	Thanks for the kind words guys - this will be my last post for a few months. Like supz said, I'll be forgotten cos I've seen this happen many times on GFY before - I won't leave forever cos I love this place too much and my persona is just a drop in the GFY ocean! However, I do agree with you all that this is just fucked up - Eric has the email headers to see if poss anyone here lights up (but it was sent from a blackberry using an anon email service). GFY no doubt cos the reply address was gfy. Lurker no idea BB, but I just assumed cos noone has ever engaged me in threads at all... I just assumed. We were moving house anyway so this is the perfect time to scratch a fresh online persona. Seems like a good time to sell also. We were already in the pool of selling house, so why not amalgamate everything and sell domains too. geoPlugin . com most here know I run - I have a valid letter here from Google that is 4 months old with an offer to buy the site (they used the webservice for Google Wave which is clearly viewable in their code) that I refused - I'm prepared to let this non-profit site go now. I will send google's offer letter to serious buyers, but you have to "easily" match it... this is a non-profit site but what do 5-7 million hits (2-4mill javascript) hits mean to you? Voila why not turn my bye bye thread into a sale thread? I'm changing my identify so it's all up for sale. (shameless plug!!!!) __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202