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Great contribution!
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wow...your post was not only informative but easy to read....normally i just scan through posts this long but awesome job on this one..you got my attention!
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ya 2 misconceptions, domain age and meta keywords, both arent a factor
domain age: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y1_1NQWQJ2Q meta keywords https://youtube.com/watch?v=jK7IPbnmvVU
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In regards to Google Analytics and Google Adwords presence as factors in SEO. What sort of weight do you feel is placed on these factors? Those are 2 I haven't really heard mentioned in an SEO conversation before.
Does Google really favor those using Analytics in their SERPs? My intense Google paranoia has kept me away for a long time, but running Adsense on a few sites now they pretty much have the same access to any information Analytics would give them. So I'm considering checking it out now. I've heard rumor that sites running Adsense panels may be given weight. The assumption being based on the idea that Google would favor sites supporting it's own ad network. I can't really vouch for it because I've only been playing with Adsense for a while. Just throwing the talk out there. Any input on this? |
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The same rumor goes with people using both Yahoo and Bings meta tag verification for their tools. 4 out of 10 people will say that Google will not be happy to see your using their services but again, this is a rumor, there is no real proof. I have clients that are top 3 for major keywords that do not use any Google tools. I have clients that are top 3 that Do use all 3 meta verifications, so Can you rank will with the use or not, yes. Does Google move you up quicker if you use their tools, no clue.
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your info is a bit outdated
no follow can no longer be used to pr shape and your missing one of the most important characteristics bounce rate or more specifically return to google bounce rate. googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now because 1. it can't be manipulated 2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again. |
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But again, Google is a power house and nobody really knows how much info Google can collect from a site that does not use analytics. If a site was only opened from a Yahoo search on a daily bases, how would Google know your bounce rate? That's where people have assumed that the toolbar must gather information about the surfers visited sites. The reasoning most people state for Google paying attention, but not strickly holding a ton of weight to it is because a competitor could put a hit bot on your site, or simple open and close the site 1000 times a day and drop your rankings
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Flawed logic, not all traffic originates from 'google'.
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www.url.com/images/site/folder1/0003/image.jpg is not as effective with Google image traffic as www.url.com/images/anal-sex.jpg alt="Anal Sex with Cumshot" proper imaging mixed with quality text is a Google winner
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Love this discussion, bump it up for more.
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2. In theory yes, as long as your #1 is true. I've always believed that bounce rate was a factor. I've recently had a page #1 in Google for a term within a couple of hours of posting only to have it fall back a few positions by the next day. It's not a guaranteed indicator but it's hard to pinpoint what other factors would make a ranking drop so quickly when all other factors realistically haven't changed much in such a short time (including factors relating to competitor's pages). |
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Very very easily.
If it is indeed a factor, it can't have too much weight placed on it. Anyone with access to a large quantity of proxies could goto town. Best watch your torrents and email attachments, because it would be fucking trojan city. Well, I guess that's the case anyways... |
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Awesome thread.. bookmarked
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Also, a hand written script does way better than an "off the shelf" script you can buy... Uniqueness is key! And always, always, always, make your own texts, descriptions, linking structure etc etc... |
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i put up a 2 minute tube site clip vs 10 minute clip same pr, same links, same on page, same keywords, same base movie the 10 minute clip ranked higher 2 words statistical sample all the traffic doesn't have to come from google just like when they do voting results or polls not everyone in the US has to be asked who they will vote for to get accurate results. |
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I wouldn't focus on your initial traffic. Google takes into consideration all new sites with 0 traffic just as much as 10yo sites with 100,000,000 uniques a day. It comes back to original quality content and solid backlinks. I took a site recently, brand new and its a .biz (i like challenges) and ranked it top 10 for ExGirlfriends in about 40 days. I went from 0 uniques a day, to 12 uniques a day to now. The key is proper optimization, content, backlinks to get the site off the ground and out of sandbox. If you have 100's of sites, assuming your IP and C-class setup is solid, do some interlinking with related sites, some A-B-C's and focus on your content. Google will take care of you naturally and organically. As you know, there is alot more to SEO this just getting some inbounds, so what you need to focus on is steady SE traffic to your over all network and the sites you want to rank top 10 for major keywords needs the extra attention on a daily basis.
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They do not poll viewers about what shows they DID NOT watch, or HAVE NEVER heard of, and if a TV show isnt on, or isnt available to the viewers, they do not penalize it for not being 'viewed'. What you are saying, and how you are explaining it in this context, is just not correct.
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we are talking sites that ALL appear in google so there is no 85% that is not there you moron we are talking about sampling a portion of the population that goes to google and searches and then returns to google to search again and useing their results to approximate that action for the pages and to determine relevency for the future searches weather that person goes to the embedded search box on the side or types google.com and then enters the search term again or hits the back button it doesn't matter that behavior of web users can be statistically sampled for that page and a priority of who keeps the user the longest could be factored into the ranking (highest ranking going to those that keep the searcher longer) assuming that if 15% bounce back to google 15% will do the same thing if they have a different search engine set in the search box IS a statistically valid comparison. and ranking that page higher IN GOOGLE is valid too. like i said if you don't believe it is revelent do the split test yourself, put one 2 minute clip v 10 minute clip. optimize the pages exactly the same, with only the length of the video being the difference and see which one ranks higher. |
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Very interesting thread!! Thanks for sharing. Bookmarking this one
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How many "new" pages do you feel per a week is the max for the same domain? in the past I was experimenting with a site where I was generating new pages from rss feeds. I was doing about 5,000 a week. Things were going good, my results in google grew to about 40,000 pages indexed. Everything was going fine then I ramped it up to about 20,000 new pages one week, and boom the number of pages google indexed dropped to about 5,000 and my SE traffic was reduced by 90%. What do you guys think about growing a site too fast, what is a safe amount of new pages added per week?
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A good example would be Wikipedia. Wikipedia is highly respected and seen as vary valuable to the SERPS. They could do a million pages a day and they will all get indexed. But if you have a blog that just has typical porn with our any real value, then Google has no need for those pages. Google is big on quality results. Once the determine your site is not quality, the will replace you with someone that is. So, to answer your question, i don't think there is a safe # per day or week, it's more about making sure what you are generating is original and quality and you should be fine no matter the #. The issue with RSS feeds is Dupe content, even with Morphing RSS feeds, there is usually only about 5 to 10 different versions. When you have 5,000 sites using these feeds, your duplicating a lot of sites. I recommend using Word Replacement plugins to assure your content is unique.
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I think one point that's important, but not yet touched on in this thread, is "link velocity".
Basically, if a site is showing continued growth, Google believes it is becoming more popular and wants it to rank higher. On the flip side, if Google sees a site get tons of new backlinks in one burst, they may feel it's purchased backlinks/attempt at manipulating the rankings. Basically, take two sites: Site A: Week One: 5 new backlinks, 1 dropped backlink (+4) Week Two: 7 new backlinks, 2 dropped backlinks (+5) Week Three: 10 new backlinks, 3 dropped backlinks (+7) Site B: Week One: 50 new backlinks, 10 dropped backlink (+40) Week Two: 20 new backlinks, 5 dropped backlinks (+15) Week Three: 8 new backlinks, 2 dropped backlinks (+6) IMO, Google sees Site A as a site on the rise, while it sees Site B in comparison as a site losing steam. This explains why often, a "hot, trendy topic" which gains a lot of new backlinks quickly, but then fades away, will reach top ranks that also quickly fade away. It just cannot maintain its Link Velocity.
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Spreading your linking building out based on IP and C-class setup , especially when the servers are spread across the world is going to give you the most juice. Anytime network wide link spots are bought, even if you choose 5 seperate title/anchors, it's still very easy to be flagged for spammy link building and going to effect your SERPS in a negative way. Buying quality links, using various title/anchor tags and having them added at a slow rate, especially when doing multi network buys, is the key. Soon as google realizes that your buying links, your in trouble. I see people buying links on a steady bases that buy on sites that not even indexed, 10 days old and already have 55 outbound links.
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in all there were 157 split test necessary to issolate bounce rate as a variable for someone who reps an optimization company in your signature, i am shocked you haven't tested out bounce rates as a variable of seo ranking especially when your market is competing against tube site pages (with full length videos) for major keywords. |
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Ty Dan, pleasure is ours
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Great stuff Bobby.. saving this for a read at a later time.... Looking forward to seeing you in Phx...
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having a good mixture of backlink sources is key too, like in forums, news sites, social bookmarking, blog posts.
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Phuuew, just read this post and all replies, but well worth it, IŽll check back for sure! Thanks Bobby and keep up the good work!
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Yeah, Google is a complicated thing.
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one of the best articles I have read in a long time about seo
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