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Rochard 01-05-2009 06:12 PM

Clearly the solution is more guns!!!!
 
Boy, 4, shoots babysitter for stepping on his foot

JACKSON, Ohio ? Police say a 4-year-old boy in southern Ohio shot his babysitter because the sitter accidentally stepped on his foot. Police said 18-year-old Nathan Beavers and several other teenagers were babysitting several young children in a mobile home in Jackson on Sunday when the shooting occurred.

Witnesses told police the 4-year-old retrieved the shotgun from a bedroom closet and shot Beavers. Police said the child was angry because Beavers accidentally stepped on his foot.

Beavers was hospitalized with minor pellet wounds to his arm and side.

Police say another teen was also injured with shotgun pellets.

Jackson County Sheriff John Shashteen said authorities are investigating the shooting. The child has not been charged.


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After Shock Media 01-05-2009 06:15 PM

Why try to even make this into an anti gun argument?
Obviously it was just non responsible gun owners and if anything an argument for more responsible ownership and the use of trigger locks - especially if you have kids.

Si 01-05-2009 06:18 PM

Wtf>>>>>>>

Marcus Aurelius 01-05-2009 06:18 PM

clearly, the answer is more target practice, that 4 year old should have gotten a headshot, geez. what's this world coming to.

Warren 01-05-2009 06:19 PM

Guns should be kept in secure locked cabinets, while kids are around at least :2 cents:


Happy new year Richard and please send my love to Donna.

RayVega 01-05-2009 06:21 PM

Yea, nobody talks about the people who were all killed when guys pushed their way into their house, or some poor schmuck who has his kid stolen at knife point. Nobody talks about the fact that gun crimes are much much lower in states that do not have licensing restrictions...But some complete asshole leaves a gun laying around and all guns are bad.

If the kid set the house on fire should we outlaw fire?

After Shock Media 01-05-2009 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayVega (Post 15285772)

If the kid set the house on fire should we outlaw fire?

No but they have found a way to make lighters ridiculously difficult to light especially with damp fingers.

Spunky 01-05-2009 06:29 PM

Blame the parents for letting him to get access to it.

BV 01-05-2009 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayVega (Post 15285772)

If the kid set the house on fire should we outlaw fire?

well if you remember when BEavis and Butthead first came out,

fire fire fire is good

some little kid burnt his house down with a bic lighter

then later on all disposable lighters require a safety, fucking pain in the ass

Profits of Doom 01-05-2009 06:34 PM

Kids in a trailer park in Southern Ohio? The only tragedy here is that the kid didn't get a clean shot and then turn the rifle on himself...

Warren 01-05-2009 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 15285810)
well if you remember when BEavis and Butthead first came out,

fire fire fire is good

some little kid burnt his house down with a bic lighter

then later on all disposable lighters require a safety, fucking pain in the ass



I rarely see a disposable lighter with a safety.

J. Falcon 01-05-2009 06:36 PM

Gun freaks are pathetic.

BV 01-05-2009 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 15285833)
I rarely see a disposable lighter with a safety.

bullshit, all bic lighters have them, you just don't know what it is probably

doridori 01-05-2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 15285739)
Boy, 4, shoots babysitter for stepping on his foot

[I]JACKSON, Ohio – Police say a 4-year-old boy in southern Ohio shot his babysitter because the sitter accidentally stepped on his foot. Police said 18-year-old Nathan Beavers and several other teenagers were babysitting several young children in a mobile home in Jackson on Sunday when the shooting occurred.


solution: dont give poor people guns. or make it expensive so that they cant afford it

Warren 01-05-2009 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 15285846)
bullshit, all bic lighters have them, you just don't know what it is probably



You said all disposable lighters in you're statement, i know what bic is, had no idea the brand now has a safety feature in all it's lighters

if i need a lighter i dont give a shit what brand it is as long as it works, and like i said earlier i have not seen a safety disposable lighter in a long time.


for the record: I think all lighters should have safety on them.

After Shock Media 01-05-2009 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doridori (Post 15285886)
solution: dont give poor people guns. or make it expensive so that they cant afford it

Yup cause a mobile home always equal poor people.

MaDalton 01-05-2009 06:49 PM

"several young children in a mobile home in Jackson"

there you have your problem

Penthouse Tony 01-05-2009 06:52 PM

What's the law in Ohio for something like this? Isn't the gun owner responsible for the safety of his firearm?

BV 01-05-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 15285893)
You said all disposable lighters in you're statement, i know what bic is, had no idea the brand now has a safety feature in all it's lighters

if i need a lighter i dont give a shit what brand it is as long as it works, and like i said earlier i have not seen a safety disposable lighter in a long time.


Bic has a metal spring tab on top of the roller that makes it harder to press down to turn the roller

The cheaper ones the roller is spring loaded so you have to press down on it

You just never realized that they were safety's, because that's why they designed them like that.

Like I said, you have seen them, just you really didn't know what it was.

No big deal, just stating facts.

BTW: It's a federal law, so yes they ALL HAVE THEM

Penthouse Tony 01-05-2009 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15285899)
"several young children in a mobile home in Jackson"

there you have your problem

The problem is an irresponsible gun owner not the children, the mobile home or the city of Jackson.

OG LennyT 01-05-2009 06:58 PM

I have a big penis... my gun tells me so

MaDalton 01-05-2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF (Post 15285923)
The problem is an irresponsible gun owner not the children, the mobile home or the city of Jackson.

actually people should not have guns - but i know that i will always be a minority with this opinion on here :2 cents:

BV 01-05-2009 07:01 PM

The small penis gun theory is old, played out and not accurate.

Guns save lives.
Guns put food on the table.
Guns protect women from thugs.

Guns are fine and guns are good.

baddog 01-05-2009 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 15285846)
bullshit, all bic lighters have them, you just don't know what it is probably

I remember when they used to have the protective add-ons, but no longer in CA.

http://juliablue.com/bic1.jpg

http://juliablue.com/bic2.jpg

http://juliablue.com/bic3.jpg

baddog 01-05-2009 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15285934)
actually people should not have guns

Speak for yourself.

Warren 01-05-2009 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 15285916)
Bic has a metal spring tab on top of the roller that makes it harder to press down to turn the roller

The cheaper ones the roller is spring loaded so you have to press down on it

You just never realized that they were safety's, because that's why they designed them like that.

Like I said, you have seen them, just you really didn't know what it was.

No big deal, just stating facts.

BTW: It's a federal law, so yes they ALL HAVE THEM


Got ya, they need to do better though.

kids come in all shapes and sizes and it does not take too much pressure to get a disposable to work, infact i would think a kid would see it as a challenge.

Warren 01-05-2009 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15285955)
Speak for yourself.


Happy new year brother :thumbsup I missed you this new year's eve, we had a cool night, hope you had a great night

BV 01-05-2009 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15285950)
I remember when they used to have the protective add-ons, but no longer in CA.

http://juliablue.com/bic1.jpg

http://juliablue.com/bic2.jpg

http://juliablue.com/bic3.jpg

yes both of those have safetys, CA has nothing to do with it. Those are the same ones here on this side :-)

MaDalton 01-05-2009 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15285955)
Speak for yourself.

huh?

5678

BV 01-05-2009 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 15285957)
Got ya, they need to do better though.

kids come in all shapes and sizes and it does not take too much pressure to get a disposable to work, infact i would think a kid would see it as a challenge.


i think it has something to do with a baby or young toddler age child that doesn't know better, or might not even know what a lighter is.

a baby will have a hard time

a 7 year old will light them no problem

BV 01-05-2009 07:14 PM

Baddog, see how dumb you are. You thought posted pics of lighters without safetys.

you are owned again, lol

baddog 01-05-2009 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 15285964)
Happy new year brother :thumbsup I missed you this new year's eve, we had a cool night, hope you had a great night

Spent it medicated, but enjoyable. I was just thinking of you earlier today. Hope all is well. Coming to Vegas?

baddog 01-05-2009 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 15285999)
Baddog, see how dumb you are. You thought posted pics of lighters without safetys.

you are owned again, lol

Are you talking about the red lever? That is not really a safety. More of a valved release. I don't recall Bic ever not having that. How else would you release the gas?

They used to have those levers you had to push in in order to engage the valve. Not sure what happened to those.

Sly 01-05-2009 07:45 PM

Gun control laws would not have prevented this accident so it isn't even worth talking about. Even in countries with gun-control and in proposed American gun-control laws, shotguns are legal and fine to have. The problem in this incident was the weapon was not properly stored... no law would have prevented that. That is just stupidity.

CDSmith 01-05-2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15285750)
Why try to even make this into an anti gun argument?
Obviously it was just non responsible gun owners and if anything an argument for more responsible ownership and the use of trigger locks - especially if you have kids.

Ding. Nothing more needed to be said in this thread.

Libertine 01-05-2009 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15285750)
Why try to even make this into an anti gun argument?
Obviously it was just non responsible gun owners and if anything an argument for more responsible ownership and the use of trigger locks - especially if you have kids.

And the point of strict gun laws is to make it virtually impossible for irresponsible people to get their hands on guns.

Hell, even here in The Netherlands, people can legally own guns. But they'll have to spend a year getting the license (which includes joining a shooting club for courses and such), and if there's any indication whatsoever that they might not be responsible weapon owners, they still won't get a license.

Warren 01-05-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15286093)
Spent it medicated, but enjoyable. I was just thinking of you earlier today. Hope all is well. Coming to Vegas?



We could of medicated together, everything is cool thanks, I'm not sure about Vegas yet, I always come back sick, will let you know though.

Warren 01-05-2009 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 15285999)
Baddog, see how dumb you are. You thought posted pics of lighters without safetys.

you are owned again, lol



I cant understand why you are saying Baddog is dumb, so the press down of the flint wheel makes the lighter safe in your opinion?

BV 01-05-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15286110)
Are you talking about the red lever? That is not really a safety. More of a valved release. I don't recall Bic ever not having that. How else would you release the gas?

They used to have those levers you had to push in in order to engage the valve. Not sure what happened to those.

no no no
dam man
you are that slow?

on the net billing lighter (bic)
the metal spring tab that wraps around the center of the thumbwheel
that is a safety

before that they had a plastic piece that had to be released in order to depress the valve

the metal tab is the new version a couple years old

the metal spring requires more pressure to spin the wheel



the other lighter in your pics
the thumbwheel is spring loaded and has to be pressed down a ways in order to make contact with the flint

here is a nice video to help you along in this great challenge


evildick 01-05-2009 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 15286114)
Gun control laws would not have prevented this accident so it isn't even worth talking about. Even in countries with gun-control and in proposed American gun-control laws, shotguns are legal and fine to have. The problem in this incident was the weapon was not properly stored... no law would have prevented that. That is just stupidity.

I think the problem is Ohio (and some other states) need to have proper gun storage laws. Here in Canada the minimum requirements for storage of a shotgun or rifle is a trigger lock, with the ammo stored separately. If you don't have a trigger lock on it, then it has to be in a locked cabinet. I personally have a gun safe.

Guns are great, but they need to be kept out of little kid's hands until they can be taught how to use them safely.


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