Yeah the conditions were very clear, no whitelabels, send to 5 brokers at the same time to the same site.

Cool thanks!

yep, mine does decent :thumbsup

My excuses? Lol

1. He agreed to buy from 5 different brokers at the same time, He's not.
2. He agreed to no whitelabels. He's sending to his own whitelabel site.

I agreed to a fair comparison test with me and 4 other brokers. This is not what he's doing , now is it? No skin off me teeth. He's buying $400 of traffic from me, his whitelabel looks like shit but hey I don't care, he's not even sending to a good page. He's actually sending to the worst page possible. He is purposly trying to NOT get signups so he can say look how shitty Chokers traffic is. Anyone who does not see this is blind.

Here was the initial post made by choker.
And here is the original post, for those who missed it.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1019143

Oh and this:
After a while people started messing with him, challenging him etc. he initial post was for 4 or 5 companies.

Sorry to chime in and what not but I was eagerly awaiting the results for the initial contest for this reason.

Which makes this exercise all the more pointless.

Is he sending it to BBW models link? What site is he sending it to? Can we take a look?

:2 cents:

You need to send the traffic from all brokers at once, for example end of April conversions are amazing compared to May. So it is not a fair comparison if you send them one after the other.

Basically just spending $400 to have the right to say his traffic doesn't convert? lol :Oh crap

Hopefully Choker is still going through with his own test he initially started.

Exactly, not to mention he's not sending to the sort of page i recomended, on his teaser chat you can't chat with models unless you make a account. (yeah I know many cam site owners will defend this, but with bought traffic this converts for shit) Myfreecams sites is what converts good with this traffic. Not to mention the domain name is myfreeporncams.com so surfers are expecting a myfreecams sorta site, but they get a pay whitelabel isntead. Shows and proves how Frisky doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. And he's buying a niche that is not gonna work. It's his $400 he's spending.

I think Frisky is truly clueless, I doubt he can afford to blow $400 just to make a point.

Considering that he claims to be a successful it took an extraordinary long time to scrape that money together...

He would pawn whatever he has in his 1 bedroom studio in order to make a attempt to hurt my business. His hatred of me is that strong, I'm not joking here. He blames me for losing his page 1 spots on google which prolly cost him 6 figures in income. Now that I think about it, I can't really blame him for hating me that much.

what did you do again to cost him those spots?

Did I win that 100 dollar contest?

I have to pay for a hooker and I really need the money.

I won't defend that, I actually agree with it.

Sign up before chat greatly reduces your chances of interesting somebody.

Your april join date is obvious in this post. Unless you are just trolling.

Jack Sparrow = Frisky, (look at his sig)

Fris = Fris

I made a death pool post on gfy predicting when his sites would get google bitchslapped. Some guys posted links to report him to google in that thread, my intention was not for anyone to report him to google. Eric closed the thread but not before warning me that I was breaking the rules, I guess Eric considered that thread me breaking the "inciting others to attack someone" rule. Thing is google had already started slapping his sites days before I made that post. Many said he was using xrumor. His excuse was that someone else used xrumer in order to get his sites google banned. LOL.

He probably won't have that domain too long, Leo of MFC protects his trademark as vigorously as anyone in the biz.

i've tried all of the traffic vendors and choker converts the best.

in my experiments anyway..
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Did I win the 100 dollars? I need the money for a hooker.

Looks like Choker has fucked him again. :upsidedow

lol... so funny if it happens :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.ialien.com/ponies/umad.png

About sums this up.

Of course that's what he's doing... that's what I said. My point is at least you're getting paid for this, so theres no reason in pointing out what he's doing yet till the money is officially spent and gone. :1orglaugh

Hey I was curious if I won that 100 bucks, get back to me please :)

You are refering to the deathpool thread?

Na, the more recent one. I think my reasoning was pretty good. It doesn't matter if it was closed :) those hookers are expensive :(

No not really. The reason i started this was because choker was in a shitstirring mood calling out the camsiteowners for a test.

I then did the same thing. You can see the complete story in his thread, a link to that is posted somewhere above in this thread.

Im not expecting to get rich or make even a buck from it. Its just to show that if YOU call people out in this biz, someone can do the same exact thing with a service like choker.

The same day i posted THIS thread he starts building up his bullshit excuses about traffic, landingpages not being ok, whitelabels, the domain etc etc.

The whitelabel is a handmade customized full site from streamate. You think they are building these things, BY HAND, because they suck?

I asked you 4 TIMES to manage the buy and guide it choker, you have had your chance. Now its JUST like we expected huh, lots of complaining about traffic and landing pages. If you where so confident you would do better why not manage it? I know: You couldnt use that lame excuse if you did.

About sending it from 4-5 diff. brokers at the same time. That could have been better, but it shouldnt mean a difference between having 0 sales or 20 sales.

Im not following where you got all these new rules from choker, can you point me to it?



Will take some time.

YOU dont have a stand alone camgirls site either then dumbwit.
I have the same whitelabel as you have on your site lol :1orglaugh

Im not even sure where he said that. I dont even care anymore, i had expected all these excuses. Doing it my way now.

In that other thread you changed the rules and added a bunch all the time.
Its my rules now :thumbsup

Like said, you had your chance to manage the buy: You didnt, with the purpose to come up with this lame excuse.

We can still change it though, you know better? Manage the buy! Come on, show your balls bro!

Uhm yes, sure.

Not at all. He didnt before, he didnt know. He just thinks he did. But if you want to share yourself with the choker support group be my guest. If i where you i would check the program owners that i still send traffic too.

@ frisky...

you are calling him out bc you bought traffic from him before and it didn't convert.

You are publicly buying traffic and it ....??

I think you should know at this stage of the game how it works... ya know

Not following you.

I never bought his traffic before. I do know how it works, ive been doing this for the last 8-9 years. I know the outcome, but theres a lot of new people that dont.

Choker and all his so called friends (funny how most of them have fake nicks) can bs all day long about whats wrong with this test, my pages, my sites, my other sites, google bitchslappin and whatever. Funny how they are trying to derail a simple test with all sorts of bs.

Test goes like i said it would go.

Once the site is started its always quick to jump on the band wagon also...

So Dedi, I agree with you, a forum such as GFY should & can be used to chat about any ideas, its just hoping that the forum can work as a community to work positively and not against people. That way, maybe we all can earn & make good from ideas & the business :2 cents:

Amen to that.

We need more BIZ threads, traffic testing, tutorials, ideas etc... This thread got some wrong direction, but i hope somebody will make one BIG testing thread of traffic soon :)

Frisky, respect for doing this test. You dont need Choker's approval or any approval from the other 4 brokers. Just do it. Your rules. Whatever rules. Who cares about rules.

Let's just see how heavy amounts of skim from 5 brokers do conversion wise to a cam site.

Let's not have 2 week threads on the other 4 brokers before the test. :) Just do it man. Prove you can afford the $2000 to the doubters and prove you dont care about losing some money as well as dont care about using your money to educate the public.

This is really the bottom line of why this test has never been done before and will never be done imo. Tho I would love to see it and you WILL be the man if you do it. :)

Or just do $400 at a time to one broker if you like. That is still a good test. Or do $200 to 5 brokers. ($1000) That should be enough. Your money, your rules. :)

Shit, get in with a confident payop, send to their site. Kick ass. Become Joe Affils main man, :thumbsup establish lifelong good will with Joe Affil and said payop :thumbsup get a nice kickback from said payop (maybe yourself) win win win :)

Or... lose money. But maybe not. That is really the question here. Will the price of skim hold up?

There is plenty for sale so it aint like there will be a run on the skim market if you kick ass. Obviously it is not selling that well thus, the writing is already on the wall... skim is basicly overpriced and prob you will lose 50%+ of your investment.

I'm from Missouri. Show me. :)

So whats the point of doing this if you're doing it half-assed way anyway?
Based on the quote above he said "all 5 brokers at the same time, same site and no while label sites"

The problem is noone can make a profit direct to pay or cam (or any) sites off skim or they could do as I said and grab this biz by the balls and say..

"Check these stats, look how well my site converted my $1000 of skim from these 5 brokers. ($200 each)"

Boom! They are the next Fantasyman.

But it never happens.

Alex: its my rules now and its more then a viable test.
No matter what they say. 100k premium usa only traffic.

End of story.

I'm glad that I just like poo...

All this other stuff is like, er, really, well, *complicated*...

Choker clearly said "No White Labels", so sorry Jack but you are out. You too, cam_girls.

I'm interested in giving this experiment a try and have sent a note to Choker letting him know.

It would be nice if all the NOISE could be kept down. (Then again, this is GFY, so..) I think this is a really valid experiment. If we can keep the insults and fighting down and instead concentrate on the details and parameters of the experiment, there might be some good stuff to learn here.

He's not going to manage the buy because you hardly followed any of the guidelines, so he's going to do exactly what you figured (and rightly so) and say that you had a horrible setup and that's why it didn't convert. He's not going to manage something outside his rules because he thinks it will fail based on the setup and not the traffic source, so why would he manage it?

The rules were pretty simple and plain IMO, if you didn't see where he said no whitelabels and send from all brokers at once well then that's your bad not anyone elses, it was easily said more than once. If you want to shut him up then you'll have to follow the rules (even if they're his) you both initially agreed to and then he will manage the traffic and you can hopefully get what you want. However the way this has went everyones views are still going to be skewed. Don't be mad that I am sticking up for the side which I think is correct, like I've always done, I'm not on anyones side and never was lol.

If you just wanted to post a test of 100k of his traffic you should have said that in the first place, 100k is plenty and if NOTHING comes from it then I agree it has to be some pretty shit traffic, but at least attempt to set it up to make sales and take Chokers advice about the landing page and whatnot. But you aren't new to promoting cams as far as I know so maybe that is the best way that has worked for you? Then again why would you want to make his traffic look good? Which brings us back to the original point, if you think his traffic is so shitty then follow the rules so he can manage it and there will be no excuses.

Either way we were all waiting for a much different test. If you want to post a test of 100k from Choker that's fine, but it was supposed to be 5 brokers at once to a non-white label and same landing page for all. That would prove how Choker compares to other brokers. If there were sales from the other brokers traffic and none from Chokers then you'd have him by the balls, but just testing a big chunk of his traffic it could still be ruled out as a bad setup. Anyways I'll still be waiting for the results.

Meaning you are not doing what was agreed upon and wasting time. So you'll get one sign-up and then what? You going to start running around telling people his traffic blows?

I copied his original post from his old thread above. To my understanding, he was going to sign up to 5 willing cam sites (non white label) and send 20k of us, eu, ae, whatever traffic to an afiliate link created through a third party for each company, then report which cam site converted the best. It's been a while and maybe the initial contest was changed, but i think that was the initial reason for the cam contest.

Choker, why do you even bother with this assclown?

Everyone knows Frisky is just a loser with a big mouth.

Jakez: he wasnt going to manage the traffic no matter what.
He said that from the beginning.

You should by all means stand by the side you think is right, i didnt have the intention to push you somewhere.

The so called whitelabel excuse people are using here is utter bullshit. The wl i have from streamate is exactly like the originals, ONsite no cheap bullshit but manually made ON tge domain. There is no excuse why i cloudnt send it there. None. Ask any camsite program owner or any big traffic site owner. These kinda wl's work perfectly fine with real premium traffic. Hell they even work with shitty tube traffic.

The traffic is sold by brokers to affiliates just like that for $4/k without pointers, guidance or management, just like in chokers system.

Its the traffic webmasters that dont know anything buy. Its traffic veterans try. Its what brokers make money from.

They advertise it as premium, then lets see how it goes.

But these excuses about bullshit rules, ridiculous.

It doesnt matter if o send it from 5 or 100 brokers at once. The difference should never be huge. Litlle factors counted in, it could never mean a difference in 1 sale on 100,000 US surfers or 100 sales. You will never get a flawless test. But this can hardly be called halfassed because its not following the exact bs rules choker makes up.

Dont like it? Fine then just ignore the results.

Its my test, my rules now.

Thats why i do biz with the big boys on a daily basis and you need to hide behind a fake nick, right?

Lol :):)