100......Choker Step Inside :Graucho

Sorry but if I were to ever buy traffic Choker would be the first I would hit up for it.

JFK you are annoying me! LOL!

Nope. I will do the same exact test with 4 other brokers and post the results for analysis.

You can do whatever you like with that knowledge.
Maybe choker will pop out as the best. Who knows?

Good for you. Lets hope the testresults are the same and i will buy from him for the rest of 2011.

Who are these "big boys" you do business with? Pray tell.


That is funny coming out from you.

Do you think that everyone has forgotten how a GFY administrator outed you posting from several fake nicks? You are a pussy-ass hypocrite.

...the same reason you start other threads: "LOOK AT ME!"

It's a template, dude. You got a different site name and colors.

Easiest and most accurate test: buy some traffic; see how it works. Costs what, $100?

It's completely useless to rely on someone else's experience, even assuming they're telling the truth, because there are so many different factors between how different people do things.

More fake nicks coming out of the woodwork loool :)
Nobody outed me ever dumbwit.

Ps. You can shut your traps about the setup of the site itself, its already generating sales :)

Lets see what excuse you can come up with next.

Just to avoid any misunderstanding, are you accusing me of being someone who has previously been banned from this forum?

LOL May 2011, April 2011, the nerve of people..

Well it's your test now, I agree that 100,000 is 100,000 and SOME kind of results should come out of it. But if a broker told me his traffic works better on cams with free chat I would probably change it. :2 cents:

But as long as the same page setup is used for all 5 brokers it IS a test none the less. And I don't see anyone else doing it. Still not entirely accurate though unless they're done at once.


Quoted for teh fuckin troof.

I don't know this 5 brokers 500k contest details and I read GFY once a week the most (I have a job and it is ro tun cam sites so I have no time to read here much, you see from 2003 I made only few dozen posts), but... i purchased well more then 500k per broker from 3+ brokers in past 30 days (a few $10,000's total) for tubecamgirl.com which is a custom thing of mine, and I can say choker traffic (own traffic, not the third party he resold) converted better then someone else but costs more (up to twice) per k as I pay given max discount on quantity I get (20%-25%) elsewhere. Also on cam sites the conversion is not the number of customers really because some time you get the whale who spend $500 a week forever and it is like 100 signups of the loser guys.
Now as someone noticed, usually the sites will not share anything on the own sales, either good or bad that it was, for obvious reason we are in competition not all bro's.
However let me load the tubecamgirl admin and give some semi censored stats:

Choker traffic April month - free registered user (make account validating email): 433078 hits, 209 reg, ratio 1:2073, and another is 94382 hits 48 reg, ratio 1:1967, I think $5/k so costed $10 per user, but note my site is free and does not require to register to see the shows, reg is optional, I have 90% guests 10% registered, I am seeing people who continue to register from ads I stopped a month ago, they simply bookmark and watch free and not make an account like in myfreecams there's tons of guests. Said so, for the paying guys let is be 1:30,000 - 1:40,000 so would cost $150 - $200 each, which is in line with PPS paid by some cam sponsors.

Other traffic broker same period 501991 hits 150 reg ratio 1:3347 and pay ratio worst too, but this traffic I paid less then $3/k, also note I applied a lot of filters by sites, country and so on, if I buy stock "US traffic" that's 1:10k performance really.
I see one of those signups of choker on 30 April is a guy who buy every day and spent $320 so far in 10 days, if he doesn't stop can alone re-pay the whole champaign in a year.
Note I had DDoS attacks from someone who hate us, which reduced performance too.
As a side note I advertized on trafficjunky = pornhub with animated banners too, on the cicked traffic I had a 28896 hits 520 free signup, ratio (1:56) and pay people 1:little more then 1k sorry I censor this. In past I advertized on juicyads, ero-advertising and others but it was chatgf.com not tubecamgirl.com so not applicable comparison.
More then this signup and same at tubecamgirl, a number of people clicked in the adverts of ChatGF.com and purchased there, this is tracked separately but happened quite often.

I hope the few censored info was useful for someone, in general I see the big cam sites simply buy the traffic in bulk with big deals ($2k there, $5k here, $15k there etc.) and this is where the most traffic that converts comes from. I have basically no affiliates and I am doing quite well, so I am unsure why I should share $$ with affiliates when I can buy traffic and keep all the income from it, also I sure not give $200+ per signup so I would be not competitive - and I never give rev share, that's a no no for me.

On a site note let me sp*am and if someone have a good cam traffic source I may buy, I may pay per free signup too, but only if traffic is at least thousands per day as I don't much believe in have thousands small affiliates as it needs to check who submit stolen credit cards or fake free signups or ultimately will write drama post on GFY that we do not pay while we made nothing wrong :)

Oh really? How about this:

Thread: Eastwood = mrfrisky
So you just got caught lying as usual.

Nice ducking the question, btw (about who the "big boys" that you do business with are).

Fucking awesome, this thread is delivering. :thumbsup

Not sure why these old guys with their new accounts are stirring shit, the thread isn't about who Jack Sparrow does business with or whether or not he's been caught with fake nicks before. If you don't like his test then spend your money and do your own.

How long are you running it before posting results?

I wasnt caught with fake nicks, ever.
The lovely barry compared ip's of 2 or 3 of my people, eastwood being my partner. I offered the admins here docs of my 2 companies plus copies of passports and drivers licences a couple of times. Barry even got on my icq explaining how it looked and that it wasnt his intention to "proof me having fake nicks with his statement on gfy".

I dont need fake nicks, theres no reason to have one lol.

Back to topic, chokers is making sales, so dont worry about the landing page or site: its as good as any camsite.

Sorry Frisky, this is not a test, you agreed to buy to 5 different cam sites at exact same time, yes this makes a HUGE difference. And not your shitty ass whitelabel. You will do whatever you have to to try to discredit me and thats fine, your posts bring me more business. One day you may actually get this fact. Since you are not running the test as agreed, I consider this nothing more than someone buying traffic from me. As a traffic seller, if a customer came to me and said they wanted to buy traffic to your whitelabel, I would tell them not to the page you are sending to, and not to the site at all in fact. Having to signup in order to chat with a model is not gonna work with this traffic, nor is the niche your buying. It's not just geo_us you are buying ,you are buying the unsold geo_us that has already been sent to prolly 5 buyers today. But it's your $400. You simply don't have $2000, if you did you would run all 5 brokers orders at the same time as you agreed to do. You sir are a shitstain but keep posting, business is great for me thanks to you. Forgive me if I don't reply to this thread often, I'm very busy with managing buyers orders.

choker can i have 100k prem us traffic just for being me? :D

That's a lot of effort to prove that posting from same IP is not your fake nick. Yet you have no problem accusing people of the same "crime" on daily basis.
Grow up. Drivers license, passports. What are you 12? Nobody believes that "partner" thing anyway. It was actually funny to read your BS when you got banned and "partner" popped out. Good old gfy trolling.

Sorry choker, but the test is running now and im not going to stop it. Certainly not a couple of fake dickheads that back you up :winkwink:

But you can take your chillpill, your traffic is already converting.

Not sure how smart it is to call the site im sending it to a shitty ass whitelabel bro. You wanna call the guys from streamate out? Not good biz ethics there my man, never bite the hand that might feed you. This whitelabel is not a slaponoutofthebox whitelabel, and unless you, again, want to call the guys from streamate incapable of producing the best affiliate cam label out there i would recommend you to NOT go that direction.

So what you are saying is, that the PREMIUM US traffic as you are advertising it in the admin area of your OWN site is shitty, crap traffic that has been rehashed 5 times already? That is the traffic you are selling to your clients? You said that yourself just now right? Amazing.

Funny how you keep posting about me not being able to pay 2k for traffic. What now, should i post stats of my bankaccounts? My fresh paxum account that has more then 2k that i need for a simple test in it?

Keep deflecting the real question brotha :thumbsup

But in the meantime, stop shooting yourself in the foot with weird statements about your traffic being crappy, and stop calling other companies out for producing shitty or crappy whitelabels before it turns around and bites you in the ass. Your traffic is making sales, relax a little :thumbsup

Ps. i added a second link, and ordered a different bunch of packages from you. 1 is a $50/k package, lets see if that works out.

For the ones that want to see my whitelabel a little spam: MY FREE PORN CAMS !
And for the freeloading surfers on GFY: MY FREE PORN CAMS !

Special thanks to streamate. Awesome to finally see a company putting THAT much effort in an customized whitelabel, takes some time to get it done, but im seeing results the first day!

He's paying you $400 and this is how you treat a customer? lol kidding I know you hate him.. It's his money let him do what he wants. Everyone knows he might be doing something wrong or whatever.. it's still IS a test none the less. He said it's making sales AND you said yourself he's making YOU sales, so why all the fuss? lol

You dont post a thread for 3 years, but popup in 2011 to troll me while quoting halfassed stories you dumbwit :thumbsup Yep, wheres the pot meets kettle pics :1orglaugh
Whos behind this fake nick.. i wonder... NOT lol :)

Just to avoid any misunderstanding, are you accusing me of being someone who has previously been banned from this forum? Or in any other way of being a "fake nick"?

AFAIK, and until they say otherwise, you are not Streamate and you don't speak on behalf of Streamate, so stop being such a pussy and trying to drag them into your own dramas and fights. If they have any objection to how he described your fake cam site I'm sure they're capable of saying so themselves, without being trolled into it by you.

Manipulating and twisting others words is Frisky's one true talent. Notice how I said the traffic he is buying has already been to other buyers and he turns that into me saying my own traffic is shit? And yeah saying his whitelabel is shitty is me saying that streamate sucks ass and I'm calling them out and calling their entire company shit. LOl, yeah whatever. Right now I have like 7 streamate whitelabels buying from me, Friskys is by far the worst looking one. Did streamate custom make this whitelabel for you or did you design it yourself Frisky?

Tell me Frisky, how does it feel to see my banner here on GFY 100 times a day. Everytime you see it you remember that google bitchslap don't you? Priceless

Interesting thread, took a while to read...

What ever happens I wanna see the results.

You'd be last person on this board I would pop up for. I had no interest to post here until I saw fucking Media from SOBV here.
Fuck off punk. On ignore list you and your partners go.
Calling me fake nick. Right bitch. :1orglaugh

When he posts the results you can remind everyone they are worst case scenario stats. It's his money he's losing or not losing.

I didn't know there was $50/k traffic for sale, are you posting those stats also?

Thats specifically for dating sites, NOT CAM sites, as I said before he's doing whatever he can to NOT get signups. If anyone doesn't see that by now................

And we are forgetting the most important thing, if you do a test you always send all the traffic to the same page at the same time, anyone who has half a brain knows this. I buy millions of hits a month, if I am testing 5 different sources of traffic against each other COMMON sense I send all the traffic from them all at the exact same time.

Lets see, send to a cam site from 6am until 6pm, do you think thats gonna do as good as sending from 6pm until 6am? of course not. Time of day, day of week, month, everything matters.

I'm sure he is trying to make it get as few signups as possible lol, I said the same thing. Think of it as a test of "how will this convert if I try to screw it up in every possible way".

If he makes his money back then people are going to see that and buy traffic from you figuring they can easily set it up better than him and turn a profit.

funny how frisky hijacked the whole thing.

Without trying :)

These sort of things just never go well.

Who are you again?

Is that why you edited your original post so quickly, where you said it yourself. That the traffic im buying is reseller traffic that has been rehashed 4+ times already. Well, THAT is the traffic that shows up in YOUR system in the TOP100 as PREMIUM US traffic. Its sold for $4/k so whats wrong with it? If your selling it as premium with that price, it cant be that bad or? YOU are the one selling it as premium, I am the one buying it. Or is there a special VIP SECRET SERVICE area somewhere im missing.

About the landing site layout, its designed by the streamate guys. And i think it looks marvelous. YOU are the one calling it crappy. So indirectly YOU are calling them out for doing a shitty job, not me.

YOU are the one telling everyone your traffic doesnt work with whitelabels and this test is skewed. Then you come back on here like the backpeddling kid you are, and tell us you are selling traffic to at least 7 streamate whitelabels. So erm, i guess thats just me twisting and manipulating words again right?

You still have your chance to MANAGE the buy, but i know you wont because you are to afraid you will run out of excuses.

About seeing banners or google bitchslaps: I lolled.

You really think i care a shit about your silly little banner with the spelling error in it? You really think i care about your groupeffort attacking my sites? You really, seriously, think that google deranking 1 of my sites makes me lose ANY sleep? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Dude, if you only knew :winkwink:




No. I wont. Because he can only send 1-10 hits a day with that package so i reversed it and i will order some more of the US PREMIUM traffic. Although, that will take a day or 50 too, because it seems chokers system can only deliver about 2k something hits a day..

You keep saying im doing everything NOT to get signups. Another lame excuse.
Im not sure how many testing you did, but you definatly need some lessons.

I have 2 links from the same site. One is the main page, one is a free chat landing page. Both receive the same traffic from you. This is a more then qualified way to check the traffic and steer and manage it while I can with the 100k you should be sending my way.

You are buying millions of hits a month? How come you cant deliver me more then 2k premium us traffic a day then?!

Not sure where you pulled that 6pm/6am bullshit from. I didnt filter anything, its running 24hours. Again, a lame excuse.

Be glad im managing it for as far as i can in your system myself, i guess im doing that to NOT get conversions either huh?

Makes sense. Not. :thumbsup

You are sure? Well you are wrong. If i can convert his traffic i will. It makes no sense just to blow $400 trying to NOT get sales.

Im not trying to screw it up, although i know you guys will keep saying that. Its fine with me. But again, it doesnt make sense because i will post the traffic stats, conversions, g.a. analytics and chokers stats in public.


Its actually working with the traffic im buying from you, so you can lay off on the excuses for a bit and start working on managing buyer orders. Because you are reading this thread way to often to be busy :thumbsup

You tell me its not just GEO-US traffic im buying? So what the hell am i buying, because it says it in your system, right there: GEO_US premium traffic. And thats exactly what im buying.
And btw. you said it right there, your premium traffic is sold trough 5 other brokers already? Is that what you call premium then?

As for me not having even $2000 to buy traffic, i lolleth, just for you, my freshly created (week ago?) paxum account:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2ijj7gm.jpg

Instead of getting owned everytime you post, relax a little, your traffic might not turn out as bad as YOU think :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Guys, wondering, can camsite owners get fined or sued for the models playing music without a licence?
I know that a public premises & anywhere using the music for part of the act or background needs a licence to play dvd, cd, or radio. If they do not, they can be fined. How does it work for the camsite owner, if they have a model playing music from home or a studio, possibly without a licence.
Would the site owner also find themselves in a situation, considering huge companies such as virgin or interscope, have enough money to sue?

According to you I'm a fake nick, so you tell me. Or did you go running to the admins again with your thumb in your mouth, because you believe your own ridiculous BS that they ban people on your say so, and they told you to GFY?

Obviously you don't care, otherwise you'd have made a long rambling post in reply to people you say you don't care about, with Paxum stats to convince people whose opinion you claim you don't care about, in a thread you specially created with the nick of someone you claim you don't care about.

The more posts and threads you make about how little you care the more obvious it is. Obviously.

LOGO sucks

All brokers point premium toward our index, we will give detailed reports and solve this once and for all! :winkwink:

+ 1

Cool! The more stats we get the better we can compare!

Excellent post and highly appreciated.

Lesson learned: Unless you can or are willing to spend thousands on big purchases to hook a couple whales, you're gonna lose money buying small batches of skim to a cam site.

This is what I suspected.

I appreciate you helping me hold on to my money and best of luck with your conversions. :thumbsup

Nice screenshot of your boss's account.

(and should we be really be impressed by $4k?)

Best post in this thread. Keep it up. I checked out your site tubecamgirl.com. Nude chat! Great. Goodluck with your business, Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup

To Jack Sparrow: Why do you want to blow your money? Better build another(better) mouse trap and then send choker traffic to that new mouse trap. It's clear to me that the white labal will not work. You may as well try to make money when you are going to blow $400.

Lol my only boss is my gf:)
And no you shouldnt be impressed, but you saying its my bosses account looks like you are fool :)

Im not even trying to blow my money.

This is the exact traffic a LOT of webmasters spend money on. Im trying to see how much i can make from it and will post all stats and details so people can learn from it.

Its not like im spending a monthly salary on this :)

Just putting up a white labal. Especially if you aren't going to offer them anything for free in their chat(any nudity). Like the other guy that I commented on, did you check out his tubecamgirl.com site? It's bascially free nude chat, and he converts 1:1967 for free sign ups.

Do you think you can beat that with a white label? Well. It's up to you. You are still buying some of the worst traffic known to man. We all know that already, don't we?

So you really don't have to prove anything. We all know that this type of traffic isn't the best. It's not gold, it's not even silver. And that's why it's called feeder traffic. Good to feed your site and get trades going.

But I wish you luck with your test.

Maybe his signups are so low because, if it's nude chat anyway, there's absolutely no reason to sign up.

You work for people from freeporn.com You are just a broke kid, going out of you way to appear a baller.

And still its sold for $4/k as premium, to thousands of webmasters on a daily basis.

From what ive heard there are lots of people interested in tge results.

I dont have to prove anything you are right.

Streamate offers the best and closest thing to an MFC clone, but if you have something even better hit me up and i will put it on another domain. I will put it on some sites with millions of pv's.

Christ this will take ages, i dont get more then 1-2k traffic a day...
Choker, cant you send a bit more then just 1-2k premium?

Lol, you live in the past kiddo, but im getting a clue of who you are lol :thumbsup