@ frisky...

you are calling him out bc you bought traffic from him before and it didn't convert.

You are publicly buying traffic and it ....??

I think you should know at this stage of the game how it works... ya know

Not following you.

I never bought his traffic before. I do know how it works, ive been doing this for the last 8-9 years. I know the outcome, but theres a lot of new people that dont.

Choker and all his so called friends (funny how most of them have fake nicks) can bs all day long about whats wrong with this test, my pages, my sites, my other sites, google bitchslappin and whatever. Funny how they are trying to derail a simple test with all sorts of bs.

Test goes like i said it would go.

Once the site is started its always quick to jump on the band wagon also...

So Dedi, I agree with you, a forum such as GFY should & can be used to chat about any ideas, its just hoping that the forum can work as a community to work positively and not against people. That way, maybe we all can earn & make good from ideas & the business :2 cents:

Amen to that.

We need more BIZ threads, traffic testing, tutorials, ideas etc... This thread got some wrong direction, but i hope somebody will make one BIG testing thread of traffic soon :)

Frisky, respect for doing this test. You dont need Choker's approval or any approval from the other 4 brokers. Just do it. Your rules. Whatever rules. Who cares about rules.

Let's just see how heavy amounts of skim from 5 brokers do conversion wise to a cam site.

Let's not have 2 week threads on the other 4 brokers before the test. :) Just do it man. Prove you can afford the $2000 to the doubters and prove you dont care about losing some money as well as dont care about using your money to educate the public.

This is really the bottom line of why this test has never been done before and will never be done imo. Tho I would love to see it and you WILL be the man if you do it. :)

Or just do $400 at a time to one broker if you like. That is still a good test. Or do $200 to 5 brokers. ($1000) That should be enough. Your money, your rules. :)

Shit, get in with a confident payop, send to their site. Kick ass. Become Joe Affils main man, :thumbsup establish lifelong good will with Joe Affil and said payop :thumbsup get a nice kickback from said payop (maybe yourself) win win win :)

Or... lose money. But maybe not. That is really the question here. Will the price of skim hold up?

There is plenty for sale so it aint like there will be a run on the skim market if you kick ass. Obviously it is not selling that well thus, the writing is already on the wall... skim is basicly overpriced and prob you will lose 50%+ of your investment.

I'm from Missouri. Show me. :)

So whats the point of doing this if you're doing it half-assed way anyway?
Based on the quote above he said "all 5 brokers at the same time, same site and no while label sites"

The problem is noone can make a profit direct to pay or cam (or any) sites off skim or they could do as I said and grab this biz by the balls and say..

"Check these stats, look how well my site converted my $1000 of skim from these 5 brokers. ($200 each)"

Boom! They are the next Fantasyman.

But it never happens.

Alex: its my rules now and its more then a viable test.
No matter what they say. 100k premium usa only traffic.

End of story.

I'm glad that I just like poo...

All this other stuff is like, er, really, well, *complicated*...

Choker clearly said "No White Labels", so sorry Jack but you are out. You too, cam_girls.

I'm interested in giving this experiment a try and have sent a note to Choker letting him know.

It would be nice if all the NOISE could be kept down. (Then again, this is GFY, so..) I think this is a really valid experiment. If we can keep the insults and fighting down and instead concentrate on the details and parameters of the experiment, there might be some good stuff to learn here.

He's not going to manage the buy because you hardly followed any of the guidelines, so he's going to do exactly what you figured (and rightly so) and say that you had a horrible setup and that's why it didn't convert. He's not going to manage something outside his rules because he thinks it will fail based on the setup and not the traffic source, so why would he manage it?

The rules were pretty simple and plain IMO, if you didn't see where he said no whitelabels and send from all brokers at once well then that's your bad not anyone elses, it was easily said more than once. If you want to shut him up then you'll have to follow the rules (even if they're his) you both initially agreed to and then he will manage the traffic and you can hopefully get what you want. However the way this has went everyones views are still going to be skewed. Don't be mad that I am sticking up for the side which I think is correct, like I've always done, I'm not on anyones side and never was lol.

If you just wanted to post a test of 100k of his traffic you should have said that in the first place, 100k is plenty and if NOTHING comes from it then I agree it has to be some pretty shit traffic, but at least attempt to set it up to make sales and take Chokers advice about the landing page and whatnot. But you aren't new to promoting cams as far as I know so maybe that is the best way that has worked for you? Then again why would you want to make his traffic look good? Which brings us back to the original point, if you think his traffic is so shitty then follow the rules so he can manage it and there will be no excuses.

Either way we were all waiting for a much different test. If you want to post a test of 100k from Choker that's fine, but it was supposed to be 5 brokers at once to a non-white label and same landing page for all. That would prove how Choker compares to other brokers. If there were sales from the other brokers traffic and none from Chokers then you'd have him by the balls, but just testing a big chunk of his traffic it could still be ruled out as a bad setup. Anyways I'll still be waiting for the results.

Meaning you are not doing what was agreed upon and wasting time. So you'll get one sign-up and then what? You going to start running around telling people his traffic blows?

I copied his original post from his old thread above. To my understanding, he was going to sign up to 5 willing cam sites (non white label) and send 20k of us, eu, ae, whatever traffic to an afiliate link created through a third party for each company, then report which cam site converted the best. It's been a while and maybe the initial contest was changed, but i think that was the initial reason for the cam contest.

Choker, why do you even bother with this assclown?

Everyone knows Frisky is just a loser with a big mouth.

Jakez: he wasnt going to manage the traffic no matter what.
He said that from the beginning.

You should by all means stand by the side you think is right, i didnt have the intention to push you somewhere.

The so called whitelabel excuse people are using here is utter bullshit. The wl i have from streamate is exactly like the originals, ONsite no cheap bullshit but manually made ON tge domain. There is no excuse why i cloudnt send it there. None. Ask any camsite program owner or any big traffic site owner. These kinda wl's work perfectly fine with real premium traffic. Hell they even work with shitty tube traffic.

The traffic is sold by brokers to affiliates just like that for $4/k without pointers, guidance or management, just like in chokers system.

Its the traffic webmasters that dont know anything buy. Its traffic veterans try. Its what brokers make money from.

They advertise it as premium, then lets see how it goes.

But these excuses about bullshit rules, ridiculous.

It doesnt matter if o send it from 5 or 100 brokers at once. The difference should never be huge. Litlle factors counted in, it could never mean a difference in 1 sale on 100,000 US surfers or 100 sales. You will never get a flawless test. But this can hardly be called halfassed because its not following the exact bs rules choker makes up.

Dont like it? Fine then just ignore the results.

Its my test, my rules now.

Thats why i do biz with the big boys on a daily basis and you need to hide behind a fake nick, right?

Lol :):)

100......Choker Step Inside :Graucho

Sorry but if I were to ever buy traffic Choker would be the first I would hit up for it.

JFK you are annoying me! LOL!

Nope. I will do the same exact test with 4 other brokers and post the results for analysis.

You can do whatever you like with that knowledge.
Maybe choker will pop out as the best. Who knows?

Good for you. Lets hope the testresults are the same and i will buy from him for the rest of 2011.

Who are these "big boys" you do business with? Pray tell.


That is funny coming out from you.

Do you think that everyone has forgotten how a GFY administrator outed you posting from several fake nicks? You are a pussy-ass hypocrite.

...the same reason you start other threads: "LOOK AT ME!"

It's a template, dude. You got a different site name and colors.

Easiest and most accurate test: buy some traffic; see how it works. Costs what, $100?

It's completely useless to rely on someone else's experience, even assuming they're telling the truth, because there are so many different factors between how different people do things.

More fake nicks coming out of the woodwork loool :)
Nobody outed me ever dumbwit.

Ps. You can shut your traps about the setup of the site itself, its already generating sales :)

Lets see what excuse you can come up with next.

Just to avoid any misunderstanding, are you accusing me of being someone who has previously been banned from this forum?

LOL May 2011, April 2011, the nerve of people..

Well it's your test now, I agree that 100,000 is 100,000 and SOME kind of results should come out of it. But if a broker told me his traffic works better on cams with free chat I would probably change it. :2 cents:

But as long as the same page setup is used for all 5 brokers it IS a test none the less. And I don't see anyone else doing it. Still not entirely accurate though unless they're done at once.


Quoted for teh fuckin troof.

I don't know this 5 brokers 500k contest details and I read GFY once a week the most (I have a job and it is ro tun cam sites so I have no time to read here much, you see from 2003 I made only few dozen posts), but... i purchased well more then 500k per broker from 3+ brokers in past 30 days (a few $10,000's total) for tubecamgirl.com which is a custom thing of mine, and I can say choker traffic (own traffic, not the third party he resold) converted better then someone else but costs more (up to twice) per k as I pay given max discount on quantity I get (20%-25%) elsewhere. Also on cam sites the conversion is not the number of customers really because some time you get the whale who spend $500 a week forever and it is like 100 signups of the loser guys.
Now as someone noticed, usually the sites will not share anything on the own sales, either good or bad that it was, for obvious reason we are in competition not all bro's.
However let me load the tubecamgirl admin and give some semi censored stats:

Choker traffic April month - free registered user (make account validating email): 433078 hits, 209 reg, ratio 1:2073, and another is 94382 hits 48 reg, ratio 1:1967, I think $5/k so costed $10 per user, but note my site is free and does not require to register to see the shows, reg is optional, I have 90% guests 10% registered, I am seeing people who continue to register from ads I stopped a month ago, they simply bookmark and watch free and not make an account like in myfreecams there's tons of guests. Said so, for the paying guys let is be 1:30,000 - 1:40,000 so would cost $150 - $200 each, which is in line with PPS paid by some cam sponsors.

Other traffic broker same period 501991 hits 150 reg ratio 1:3347 and pay ratio worst too, but this traffic I paid less then $3/k, also note I applied a lot of filters by sites, country and so on, if I buy stock "US traffic" that's 1:10k performance really.
I see one of those signups of choker on 30 April is a guy who buy every day and spent $320 so far in 10 days, if he doesn't stop can alone re-pay the whole champaign in a year.
Note I had DDoS attacks from someone who hate us, which reduced performance too.
As a side note I advertized on trafficjunky = pornhub with animated banners too, on the cicked traffic I had a 28896 hits 520 free signup, ratio (1:56) and pay people 1:little more then 1k sorry I censor this. In past I advertized on juicyads, ero-advertising and others but it was chatgf.com not tubecamgirl.com so not applicable comparison.
More then this signup and same at tubecamgirl, a number of people clicked in the adverts of ChatGF.com and purchased there, this is tracked separately but happened quite often.

I hope the few censored info was useful for someone, in general I see the big cam sites simply buy the traffic in bulk with big deals ($2k there, $5k here, $15k there etc.) and this is where the most traffic that converts comes from. I have basically no affiliates and I am doing quite well, so I am unsure why I should share $$ with affiliates when I can buy traffic and keep all the income from it, also I sure not give $200+ per signup so I would be not competitive - and I never give rev share, that's a no no for me.

On a site note let me sp*am and if someone have a good cam traffic source I may buy, I may pay per free signup too, but only if traffic is at least thousands per day as I don't much believe in have thousands small affiliates as it needs to check who submit stolen credit cards or fake free signups or ultimately will write drama post on GFY that we do not pay while we made nothing wrong :)

Oh really? How about this:

Thread: Eastwood = mrfrisky
So you just got caught lying as usual.

Nice ducking the question, btw (about who the "big boys" that you do business with are).

Fucking awesome, this thread is delivering. :thumbsup

Not sure why these old guys with their new accounts are stirring shit, the thread isn't about who Jack Sparrow does business with or whether or not he's been caught with fake nicks before. If you don't like his test then spend your money and do your own.

How long are you running it before posting results?

I wasnt caught with fake nicks, ever.
The lovely barry compared ip's of 2 or 3 of my people, eastwood being my partner. I offered the admins here docs of my 2 companies plus copies of passports and drivers licences a couple of times. Barry even got on my icq explaining how it looked and that it wasnt his intention to "proof me having fake nicks with his statement on gfy".

I dont need fake nicks, theres no reason to have one lol.

Back to topic, chokers is making sales, so dont worry about the landing page or site: its as good as any camsite.

Sorry Frisky, this is not a test, you agreed to buy to 5 different cam sites at exact same time, yes this makes a HUGE difference. And not your shitty ass whitelabel. You will do whatever you have to to try to discredit me and thats fine, your posts bring me more business. One day you may actually get this fact. Since you are not running the test as agreed, I consider this nothing more than someone buying traffic from me. As a traffic seller, if a customer came to me and said they wanted to buy traffic to your whitelabel, I would tell them not to the page you are sending to, and not to the site at all in fact. Having to signup in order to chat with a model is not gonna work with this traffic, nor is the niche your buying. It's not just geo_us you are buying ,you are buying the unsold geo_us that has already been sent to prolly 5 buyers today. But it's your $400. You simply don't have $2000, if you did you would run all 5 brokers orders at the same time as you agreed to do. You sir are a shitstain but keep posting, business is great for me thanks to you. Forgive me if I don't reply to this thread often, I'm very busy with managing buyers orders.

choker can i have 100k prem us traffic just for being me? :D

That's a lot of effort to prove that posting from same IP is not your fake nick. Yet you have no problem accusing people of the same "crime" on daily basis.
Grow up. Drivers license, passports. What are you 12? Nobody believes that "partner" thing anyway. It was actually funny to read your BS when you got banned and "partner" popped out. Good old gfy trolling.

Sorry choker, but the test is running now and im not going to stop it. Certainly not a couple of fake dickheads that back you up :winkwink:

But you can take your chillpill, your traffic is already converting.

Not sure how smart it is to call the site im sending it to a shitty ass whitelabel bro. You wanna call the guys from streamate out? Not good biz ethics there my man, never bite the hand that might feed you. This whitelabel is not a slaponoutofthebox whitelabel, and unless you, again, want to call the guys from streamate incapable of producing the best affiliate cam label out there i would recommend you to NOT go that direction.

So what you are saying is, that the PREMIUM US traffic as you are advertising it in the admin area of your OWN site is shitty, crap traffic that has been rehashed 5 times already? That is the traffic you are selling to your clients? You said that yourself just now right? Amazing.

Funny how you keep posting about me not being able to pay 2k for traffic. What now, should i post stats of my bankaccounts? My fresh paxum account that has more then 2k that i need for a simple test in it?

Keep deflecting the real question brotha :thumbsup

But in the meantime, stop shooting yourself in the foot with weird statements about your traffic being crappy, and stop calling other companies out for producing shitty or crappy whitelabels before it turns around and bites you in the ass. Your traffic is making sales, relax a little :thumbsup

Ps. i added a second link, and ordered a different bunch of packages from you. 1 is a $50/k package, lets see if that works out.

For the ones that want to see my whitelabel a little spam: MY FREE PORN CAMS !
And for the freeloading surfers on GFY: MY FREE PORN CAMS !

Special thanks to streamate. Awesome to finally see a company putting THAT much effort in an customized whitelabel, takes some time to get it done, but im seeing results the first day!

He's paying you $400 and this is how you treat a customer? lol kidding I know you hate him.. It's his money let him do what he wants. Everyone knows he might be doing something wrong or whatever.. it's still IS a test none the less. He said it's making sales AND you said yourself he's making YOU sales, so why all the fuss? lol