Zuzana Designs

When I worked on cam for Video Secrets 10 years ago I had a customer that would just stare at my shoes and boots for several hours a day, several times a week, anytime I told him I would be online. I have a killer collection of sexy shoes and he wanted to see them all. I would call him a bitch and he would send me gifts. It was pretty easy money and funny to look back on. I would make bank sitting in the other room messing around with Photoshop designing galleries to submit to the hun prior to starting Zuzana Designs. Some of those cam customers were lonely and just wanted someone to talk to.

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Va2k

LOVE IT that was awesome! Thanks for the laugh!!

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xNetworx

Wow, didn't know you worked on cam. You really are a jack of all trades

RandyRandy

You're comment was actually right on the mark! There is nothing I like jacking off to more than a girl who is in wrist suspension. Don't know where it came from, but I've jacked off to it for over 40 years and I'm 48 years old.

AlexFS

I'm aware and thanks for the tip. It was one customer some time ago, haven't seen him around anymore

tical

Once spied on a Cam 2 Cam show and saw a guy smoking crack with a serious sense of urgency. No joke. He was smoking that shit like it was an emergency or something...

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Actual chat:

him - "i am looking for a girl like you to become my wife, are you interested?"

her - "i'm sorry, i'm not looking for a relationship."

him - "i look for a serious wife. If you look for a serious relationship ok if not then bye, and have a good life."

him - "still thinking of you a lot. Hope you become my gf soon and start on our serious future."

him - "missing you."

him - "are you mad at me ?"

him - "trust me enough that i can support you and give you. More then love and money but a future together with me in my house in the Netherlands. All i can ask is your trust until meet then you will see i am serious with you. And that i will honor you always as my partner. Reason i can not explain it's there or not. Can you explain love ?. Have a nice day."

him - "Still want you as my girl honey. Love you"

him - "I hope your open for me seriously"

him - "i will be a good husband for you but i want you to stop working at ****** of course will i take care of you then."

her - "like i said, i'm not looking for a relationship."

him - "i love you. we have a destiny to be together. can you not see that?"

....followed by about 40 more messages begging her to marry him.

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It's fucking sad.

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digitalfantasies

$100 a minute... yeah... why not

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adultmobile

Customers on drugs it can be issues for chargebacks. They chat cam girls while on cocaine, crak or whatever and do not remember they made the sale or used the site at all the day after
Had some guy in Las Vegas, doing cam sessions while so much on drugs he needed a (male) assistant/employee to use the site. Such assistant referred the customer as "my boss", unsure if owner of company or mafia gang or whatever, but he sure had cash to spend in Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll (literally). Assistant joked with cam girl how the boss it was stoned and his credit card was banged, however part of this money was later chargebacked but then re-deposited with the help of the girl who talked those guys later, I mean it was quite a Las Vegas mess like those movies...

In real life most private we see are $2 to $3 per minute really. Very few $4 to $6 per minute. Rare at $8-$10 per minute, usually for fetish such as the guy take the girl at $3 a minute and offers her: "if you willing to slap yourself in face and (put here your fetish), raise your price to $10 a minute I will get you right after this pvt".
Prices such as $20+ per minute are very special cases include 1) the guy wants to gift $$ for birthday or other and instead of a tip he let her raise price per minute and 2) wallet rape fetish but they're so few you're lucky to have 1 in whole site and 3) some fortune 500 corporation CEO/shareholder told the wrong girl how he's rich and she adjusted the price accordingly.

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digitalfantasies

he and his big mouth

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John-ACWM

the fetishes some have!

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adultmobile

Ah now I remember there was a customer who was a fake millionaire. He had setup a site such as megacorporationtrust.com with fake information about he is the main shareholder of this investment company valued several billion dollars with interests everywhere. In private chats he told to every girl things such as "I sold this thing I made 2 billion dollar now my company revenue is same of a small state" and so on, to impress the girl he was that a billionaire who got lazy and chat girls. Passed his site and emails and ultimately hoped to scam the girls to show him free and flirt him so much because his supposed billion dollars.
He soon failed next sales for "insufficient funds" error on his card, at least he did not chargebacked. Pity I forgot his fake megacorporation site url, curious to see how he's doing.

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digitalfantasies

well, he is probably somewhere here on GFY... so let's ask him

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adultmobile

We got a girl in Siberia some 3 years ago she got a BMW from customer but he was meeting her in person at the time. I think I remeber it was a BMW.

On the other hand, I remember a guy was going to sell his home in order to continue pay private chats with a girl, an admin noticed this, told me, I wrote the guy advising not to sell the home to private chat the girl, but I don't know how it ended really

This is things outside the cam chats, if we should tell stories like this too, we never end...

Anyway about buy cars, I do not remember (or even knew) what a brand one, but I got a funny true story from several years ago again in Russia, involved a car, a rented flat and two guys. There was this brunette who got not one but two whales, each one thinking he's the only real boyfriend. After spending their amount of $10,000's each on her, they further invested in tickets to meet her - both - but she made sure in different times. Boy1 buy her a car, and boy2 rents her a nice flat. The fun fact it is, when boy1 comes in russia he sleeps with the girl in flat paid by boy2, while boy2 will be driven around with car purchased by boy1. At some point the 2 figured out, and one called her names in public chats saying her home is a brothel and such a drama. The other guy persisted like if nothing happened and I think he ended up exporting her on his country (that's after she quit of site so I can't know really).

I am sure lots of this tuff happens, just we have no idea as this is off-site; but it is started from site anyway.

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Spunky

Some interesting stories in this thread

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Being on cam showed me how many people were into live porn and just how big it is. I have used this knowledge over the years to help me understand the customer. It's truly amazing what people are into and how to sell things as a niche. You have to understand the mind/niche of a customer to sell the product. If you don't get it you can't sell it.

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digitalfantasies

For a long time I have been thinking that cam sites are used as dating sites (without knowing the facts). Guys spending lots of money on a girl, buying her presents and hoping he will meet her in person, get married (she quits working for him of course) and live a happy life together...

in reality the story doesn't end happy most of the time...and webcam girls are the real players here... but by that time the money is already spent...

does this sounds familiar to you? Happens often?

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As far as I know he didnt. Most big spenders dont charge back imo

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adultmobile

In our cam sites the private chat is not censored, can pass skype or phone or talk of meetings or whatever, I just ask to keep do paid chats in the site, this is as liberal as myfreecams, in most sites the admins bust for eschange contacts, but they do the same writing these in piece of paper to show on video or other tricks. What I mean, it is very easy to contact off-site, to date and marry, can't blame the admins do not want this, and still, no marriages

Theorem: Of every kind of site, a cam site is the less probable where to find someone to marry, in the whole internet. Proof: it is more easy to find people for marry in mortuary news site, newsgroup discussing quantum phisics, or whatever site of any topic except a cam site really. Statistics: if 1000's cam girls I had in sites with 10,000's of customers they chatted with across 8+ years, I heard only of couple of marriages!? Incredibly bad ratio! More probable an asteroid destroys the earth tomorrow.

And how it went? One of these 2 "cam-girl-husbands" had spent $90,000 on her across a year before to marry (4 hour private a day most days - up to take her in private all the time she was online), then went to live in her russia city for months to try convince her (no idea what else he gifted, it as was off-site), and finally she said ok (her studio manager told me, as reason she stopped work). I have no idea if marriage stands or they divorced, not heard since, but I would fear he kill her and bury under garden if she wants to quit him...

The cam girls are more likely to marry local boys, or at most, the local studio manager. One of the reasons of so bad customers marriage ratio it is that most cam girls, maybe 80%, are already married (even with children) or at least live with a boyfriend... and the 20% left it is strictly lesbians... so very few are single or available really, even if they always have to claim are single, for job reasons. In fact the first rule of a cam girl is to say she's single and needs a bf, this is more important than she say she's horny really

About the out of site "cool story bro", let me post another one I just remember.
Lots people always say "Why I should spend $100 on a cam girl if I can have real sex with a same pretty escort for same or less $$"... this make sense and if you think so, you are not a cam customer, this is why cam ratio is 1:1000, you are one of those 999, but there's also that 1 every 1000 too. The guys who spend in cam sites are not willing to go with prostitutes (that they know are prostitutes) or even with woman in general even for free, or they would not end up in a cam site. This is especially noticeable when they travel to east europe to meet the girls and do not end up having sex with them the same.

So there was this guy had spent his $10k or more with a girl, then he gets ticket and rents a flat in Kiev to meet her, in agreement with her (she knew the guy it was one easy to handle in person too). I don't know every single story of everyone who meets a girl, in fact I maybe get to know 1% at most, and I not even ask, but this girl I know well from many years and she's used to tell me all the funniest stuff.

So the guy had a flat (or hotel room not remember) very near the studio, the girl had to go to the studio a few hours a day to do cam work, and the guy was getting her in private ($2.50 per minute) from the street nearly, this is a first fun fact... he did not wait she is out of work, Eh no.
We so often see regular western guys to start private from russia, ukraine, romania IP's LOL so we finally figured they travel to meet the girls, and chat from there too, so we had to pre-approve these countries IP's for regular westerns, to allow "local private chats".

But the most fun (or incredible) fun fact it was the evenings, when they meet after studio work. So the girl in private said him even day - bring me $100 or so... the guy was picking her outside studio, bring the $$ amount requested as a gift, and they go around to eat ice cream. In night she will go "sleep with him" at his flat but in Pajama ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pajamas ) , but it was literally to sleep. All what the guy got it was a kiss in cheeck, and he will not see her naked at all. Guy will sleep without touch her all night, like a small kid, then another kiss in cheeck at morning, he bring her at her studio work, and that's another day, he private chat her to see her naked and so on.
The girl was especially laughing while telling me because she never wear pajamas in nights, was just for sleep with him she buy one.

It is funny as the site introduces cam girls as very horny sluts in every way with adverts and their bio profiles (even if they are not sluts in real life, but I mean, you don't sell them as "good girls to marry"), and those guys end up want to marry them the same. I think the same it happens with porn stars? They must have those shy lovers that would sleep in pajama with her without touch her all night too... as this happens with cam girls, I assume?

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I think balloon fetish is more common than we think. My friend had a couple of regulars who would get her to blow the balloons up 'nice and big so the rubber is tight and squeeky', they they would blow their beans when she popped it.

Paul Markham

Anyone with a great story is welcome to share it here?



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adultmobile

Even if those happened after 1970's?

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digitalfantasies

yes, that was my point basically. So is it true that a good % of the whales are guys that are desperately in love with a camgirl and try to win her over during countless private chats while they are actually being played by that girl.

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Well there shure are some strange sh-t going on sometimes i can imagine, my gf (ex camgirl) was asked to shit infront of cam, and for me that some strange things, she said no offcourse

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digitalfantasies

yes actually I think lots of customers ask that since there are so many models who have something like "I do not do toilet stuff (pee, poo) so do not ask" in their profile...

I think Currently Sober could make a fortune in this field

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The single-girl whale yes, the one who spend all on a same girl.
But there are multi-girl whales too, these in most cases are 50+ years olds full of cash and free time with the hobby of try every and each new cam girl in the site.

Some of those guys who waste $10,000's with the girls, for then discover she live with some boyfriend, at times write to the site: "the girl X is a liar, I sent her $5000 to cure her sick brother, and I discover she got no brothers, you should fire her". One it was quite funny, he complaints he go meet her and she smoked, while she said she is not smoker!?

So we had to address this (the fact the girls will be liars and ask money but that's them idiots and not site's fault, to believe them and to send them money) in the terms of service every user agrees to - and more we print everywhere "this girl is a liar", and more the guys believe her, so that's fine on a legal standpoint for us:

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13. TRANSACTIONS, CONTACTS, AND DISPUTES BETWEEN THE USERS

... we cannot guarantee the authenticity of any data which Users may provide about themselves or relationships they may describe. Please note we are independent from any so called studio bosses, model managers, or any person or organization renting equipment to Users.
You agree that we cannot guarantee, and assume no responsibilities or liabilities for verifying, any inaccuracies, intentional or unintentional, in the information or Content provided to you by any User. This includes age, marital or relationship status, health condition, sexual preferences or habits, their feelings about you, having no children, loving you or others, betraying you or others, being a student, non drinker, non smoker, wishing to marry you or others, etc.

= this means if a girl say she love you this is a lie for sure and we told you in advance so don't complain with the site please.

No third parties, including so called studio bosses or model managers, are authorized to speak or act on our behalf.
You are warned that if you decide to send money to any User, they may not use it for the purpose declared to you, and they may be also receiving other and possibly larger amounts from other sources not stated to you. Users may urge you to donate for specific purposes, including paying for university studies, expiring loans or debts, medicines for sick relatives or other, but we advise you of the possibility of different usage for the money, such as luxury clothes and gadgets, vacation packages, gifts for local boyfriend, with whom they may live without your knowledge.

= all the examples above are took from real facts, for ex. we got a guy who sent money to a girl for sick relative medicines and she buy a motorbike to his boyfriend with that

You are solely responsible for your interactions with other Users. You acknowledge and agree that TubeCamGirl shall not be held responsible in any way for the outcome of any contacts outside The Service or meeting between the Users, whether in person, by telephone or any other means, resulting from or related to Video Chats use.

= if you go to meet the girl that's your problem really, we warned you

In the event that you make deals with other Users in Video Chat, including payment and delivery of goods or services, you agree that TubeCamGirl shall not be involved, and accordingly not responsible or liable. TubeCamGirl reserves the right, but has no obligation, to monitor disputes between you and other Users.
You release TubeCamGirl and its affiliates from claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential) of every kind and nature, known and unknown, suspected and unsuspected, disclosed and undisclosed, arising out of or in any way connected with such disputes, contacts or transactions outside The Service, even if negotiated using The Service.

= call us only for private chats issues, the rest we warned you not to do, bad bad kid!
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Also someone complaints the wife busted him and got a divorce which costed money we should reimbourse him (!?), so had to list this as exempt of liability we warn guys about:

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IN NO EVENT SHALL TubeCamGirl AND ITS AFFILIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES RESULTING FROM ANY LOSS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OF USE, DATA, PROFITS, HEALTH, ** MARRIAGE STATUS **, REPUTATION, CONFIDENTIALITY OR PRIVACY, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE, MISUSE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SERVICE,
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http://chatgf.com/index.php?_o=Default&_m=tos

There is a filipino cam site displaying a very big text permanently on side of every page including private chat ones, that states DO NOT SEND MONEY TO THE GIRLS THEY ARE ALL LIARS, and despite this, the guys send. Further these guys think: "if the site so much does not want we to send money to the girl, it means the site is evil and wants to profit from the poor girl, so I will save her from slavery and send her all my money and I will go in heaven" or something like that.

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ilnjscb

Hilarious!! These stories are great - the cam girl business is amazing. I bet it is hard to get into though, at this point.

digitalfantasies

when I lived in the Netherlands, there was this premium sms contact ad on the tv at night...Dutches will recognize this.. maybe they are still active after midnight... The ad displayed girls that wanted to meet for sex... There was a text under the ad saying "physical contact is not possible, these are not real girls" or something like that... and yet... I bet they made bank from guys trying to meet to with the girls by sending premium text messages

I guess some guys like to be fooled... even if they are aware of it

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They still have to do that yes

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Do you know any that were before? now that would be great.



Would also be news to me.

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Colo_bitch

has anyone ever done a documentry or something on the life of a camgirl...follow her through her day

Jon

Not really.

The name of the game, like everything else, is money (having it to start helps a lot) and running a tight ship business.. all for the sake of making money/profits.

There are still so many ways for someone to come in and "change the game" through just one of a variety of roles (ie. affiliate, cam model, cam studio, cam site, aggregation, billing, hosting, etc.) that haven't been fully realized yet.

Bottom line, all fun stories aside, the cam side of the adult industry is going to continue to grow and profit for a very long time. Its also one of the most unique, untapped and profitable sub-niches of the online adult industry as a whole.

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digitalfantasies

my thoughts exactly, for example in 15 years you can pay for holographic camgirls talking, dancing, stripping and masturbating in your living room... maybe even smell and touch them. That's going to be something I would even pay for...

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CourtneyR

They would need to do it though the lives of multiple girls since there are some that are definitely not the sharpest tools in the shed, and others that are really smart.

It would be interesting to see.

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digitalfantasies

I saw a mini docu on the Dutch TV.. "Lange Frans" interviewing and following a camgirl... but is was just a 20 min docu, not deep, just basic info...

but I guess a real docu... it would be a very interesting (and maybe very profitable) thing to do...

I want in

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I disagree that there is that much possibility to change the game or realize roles.

The cam world it is quite small: the same girls got accounts in every site (splitcamming or rotating) and the same whale customers got accounts in multiple sites... often I see the same member nickname in room of modelX my site AND in room of modelX in other sites, really a small world. The guy who signed up everywhere even asks to the girl in what site to do private or tips, and usually she recommend him the site paying more % to models. But sites paying only 30%-35% to models can pay affiliates and own adverts more, and so on each cam site excels in something, kicking out anyone who wants to "realize role" further.

I mean the whale guys are addicted to cams and so they are good in find and signup every cam site and if are fixated on some models they will be in her room in every site at same time if she splitcams.

So if you launch a new cam site, how the core models and whale community will care, being it a small world? They tend to stick in the consolidated sites (unfortunately).

You should consider those guys are *REALLY* addicted in fact they write praying to close their accounts, you close, and they make a new one days after, then write asking to close, you close, and they open after a week, some made it dozen times. They can't stop much same as alcoholic or gamblers.

Just today one of them (who had closed-reopen accounts dozen times) wrote me: "please terminate my memberships from both sites immediately" , I was out of office and not replied, when I am back I see he write few hours later a second mail too: "You rude fucking faggot. CLOSE MY FUCKING ACCOUNT, ASSHOLE !!!!", but few minutes after such a second email, he had deposited $$ and booked an appointment still going, so I did not closed his account, but I also replied him, he could avoid to login himself and not to call me an asshole.
Running a cam site it is same as selling alcohool or run a casino, you need some responsibility not to serve the addicted, or they sell own home to chat.
I remember a canadian guy wrote to close account because "I am catholic, what I am doing is bad". I replied if he was sure, if he confirms... and then he replied not to close account, eventually he became atheist that same day.
With those addicted guys it is enough to be late in reply to close account notice, or ask a confirmation, and they change idea always, and anyway if account is closed, they re-open more (this however make a mess in accounting, but that's it).

By the way there's forums with cam girls and they write own stories and stuff so for further reading see this 51 pages thread:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...e-heard-on-cam

And few smaller threads:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...e-heard-on-cam

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...assing-Moments

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Paul Markham

That would make a great program for cable TV.

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AllAboutCams

it still blows my mind how much money people have to spend on cams and how frequently they spend

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Paul Markham

So why are so many blaming the downturn of paysite on the economy and people who promote webcams blaming Free Cams for a slump?

Seems to me that some can and some can't.

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no idea probably because people like to bitch

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What he said

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This thread delivers!

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digitalfantasies

My conversion rate with for example chaturbate is great
I only need 10 - 100 times more of the same traffic to make bank... that is the hard part...

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Stripperweb is great - it reminds me of this site a little, except they tolerate and encourage surfers. I never post there but you can get good data.

So what are you thinking the niches are to get in? Nobody is going to put $300k into any adult biz right now (except maybe Mr. FT) but is there any crossover?