genoveze

Chaturbate seems to be growing, and since its a different concept than the normal cam site
I was wondering if there is another cam site, that has the same model, where you dont have to pay for nudity.

I would need a WL on this business model

Thanks

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CrakRevenue with MyFreeCams - No WL, but I suspect they are working on it...

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Most cam sites show nudity for free now, in fact the list of those not showing even topless in any free chat it is shorter.

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Some sites like chaturbate with "free show with tokens"

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BongaCash has this model. Even registration process is quite simple for members - they have to only enter username, email, password and they are all done.

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Nice list, even includes our tubecamgirl It is missing at least http://stripshow.com/ which is from AFF/Streamray, from the big names.

About tipmodels.com , it is not listed there: http://www.awempire.com/sites
So it is not much known. Girls got it as options from within jasmin:
http://wiki.jasmin.com/display/EW/JasminCam
"Go to Members / Free Area / Nude Mode ? you may change between Member and Free chat, or choose to appear online on www.tipmodels.com
Start Game - Start your Tipping game on www.tipmodels.com"

Let's say jasmin "partly" support free shows via tipmodels, as well as AFF/Streamray via stripshow, in separate sites.
Stramray also supports full nudity in public, as long as someone tipped - I can see nudity in flirt4free rooms too.

So all sites except only very few, support free shows to some degree, in main or special sites. xlovecam is one of the last orthodox ones not allowing even a nipple out, I think.

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Crak_Eric

Hi genoveze,

This model that you speak of has been around for a while now, and we definitely agree with you - it's a model that works!

As Eddy mentioned, you can promote MyFreeCams.com through us at Crakrevenue, in addition to other free webcam sites.
We start at $2.50 per lead but the higher volume and quality you send, the higher we can pay.

You can also earn 15-30% of the total amount of money anyone might choose to spend on the cam sites - those who decide to become token buyers - if you choose Revshare. The sites are still free, but even with a free site, people like tipping the girls out of appreciation.

Hit me up if you have any questions.

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15Cams.com concept is that the models can choose to do what they want in free chat. If they want to put on a full nude show and just get by on user tips in FREE chat then great or they can get paid in private shows for full nude too. Or they can just record videos or upload photos and let users view them for free or sell their own content at a premium really just giving space for models to make their own way. If you are interested in WL please sign up as an affiliate first and then contact me to get it setup.

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maybe 4cam.com

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This is perfect list, althought Xhamster doesn't have option as affiliate only as traffic sender?
While Cam4 Doesn't have an affiliate option aswell.
Oh and i heard about FreeWebcamCash.

genoveze

Nice list, Bonga seems really interesting, especially since they offer a wl.

How about the great webcamwiz videosecrets streamate
those dont have the freemium model on any of their sites?

The awe tipamodel site is kind of empty, its probably experimental.

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pimpmaster9000

why promote token sites?!?...makes no sense at all...


the approach is a bit strange, you have guys willing to tip who are told "NEVER TO PAY FOR CAMS AGAIN" ...

so you have customers willing to pay, yet somehow, sending them to a free site where they are specifically conditioned to expect everything for free, is better than sending them to a site where they have to pay?

the "FREE NEVER PAY AGAIN" part seems to be attracting just the freeloaders?

MFC is going down the shitter according to models who have worked there for years, no wonder, because I would feel like a fucking idiot tipping in front of 10.000 freeloaders...

granted that the whole industry took a hit but MFC is becoming a joke...


I would never even think of promoting a program that instructs my traffic "NEVER SPEND ANOTHER DOLLAR FOR THIS"... no matter how much the program owner says its a good idea...it simply is not...

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Lots of models are upset at the derek's blog "never pay again for cams" i.e. "whoever spends in cam is idiot" marketing. But, it worked for crak and mfc, still it works because streamate made a clone of same free cams blog/video promo, and all of the new cam sites which gets alexa #500 rank or so (chaturbate, bonga) follow this same trend.

Now, you say "MFC is going down", "according to (old) models", I believe it as I hear the same from models. But, is it going down "overall", so according to MFC owners and its affiliates? I think no, I think total MFC sales it is same or more today, than a year or 2 ago. However, the total sales are spread across more models, esp. there are 5-10 times more models, also these new models signup, try weeks or months max, then quit, replaced by many others. Result: single models earn less and say MFC is going down, but MFC owner and its affiliates are doing at least same money.
Sites with less models may look like going well to the few models there, but, the total sales are sure not bigger than MFC's.

Oh damn there's no one 100% orthodox "never naked in free" cam site left!?

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Crak_Eric

Hi Crucifissio,

Keep in mind that Myfreecams has had "free" in the domain name all along and it became a huge success by following that concept / motto from day 1. We all know the "free" aspect in the name has not affected business as girls have always made bank at MFC. At the end of the day, people want more, and you always get more by buying tokens and tipping the girls. This is human nature; it will never change.

Having a bunch of free and paid members gives the room an interesting dynamic. It's a formula that works otherwise it would not have grown to become one of the biggest sites.

We have another landing here, this one emphasizes the importance of tipping : freecamsexposed.com/122/ <-- and it performs awesome with Revshare!

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Nice list! Keep em coming!

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pimpmaster9000

@adultmobile & @ Crak_Eric


the models does work but this does not mean its better than the PVT model...just like tubes work but only for the tube owners and a very select few...

Heres my problems with free sites as somebody who would consider promoting them:

1) Very few top models will agree to work there because they WILL make bank on PVT sites. Showing your stuff in front of 100 freeloaders is a problem with 90% of all my models. Top models make top money the rest of the girls are a waste of time.

2) Long term careers on MFC are no more. I know this from my models first hand. The models talk to the tipping customers. Most of them feel stupid to be the only tipper in the room especially in the long run. From first hand experience I know regular customers last longer on PVT sites. Regular customers= revshare heaven

3) Losing models to tube rips...I lose half my models when the video gets out on tubes and her friends find out. MFC= please please record me and upload the shit out of me for free...granted this happens on PVT sites too but much much less...losing models is not good for revshare or my studio earnings...

4) FREE insults the intelligence of triple digit IQ users...does the word "FREE" bring in lots of cash? of course...but I am interested in long term profits and revshare I do not want my traffic to be told "DO NOT PAY" ...each product is marketed to a specific demographic and big spenders for the most part do not care about the word FREE...they do not like the word FREE because it associates the triple digit homo sapiens to low quality...

5) 30 token lesbian squirt in mouth goals ...ok this was CB but you get my point I would never dream of promoting a girl or site where the product is devalued to such disproportions...lets say I have a 1000$/day model and next to her the 1.5$ lesbo squirt in mouth gig...the majority of un-successful girls completely devalue what the successful minority are doing...in turn devaluing further the un-successful to 30 token goals...



does MFC work for a few and its owners? absolutely...but I am in to long term profits and I can build long term careers on PVT sites + promote them and make bank as an affiliate long term and not just have to pump out new models and new joins on token sites...as an affiliate and a studio boss token sites are only good for CB defense and payment processing, they pay out a high percentage and its good to bill the customer in tokens and do the show by skype...

I do not doubt that even some affiliates make good money with MFC...but in my personal experience I would compare promoting token over PVT to digging a hole with a shovel over using a digger...both work, but one is clearly better...

genoveze

@crucifissio

I want to promote a token freemium cam site because I think
its a less aggressive approach to the users I will api there, which come all from my dating sites.

And I think they would appreciate more signing them up in a free nudity site, they would see it as an upservice from me , they would be happier and not think "what the fuck this guy just wants to sell his cams im outta here" - like fling was doing in the old days.

so those are my arguments, my problem is I cant seem to find a freecam site which allows full integrations with my billing, most just do cobranding, and some of them leave their logo throughout the site a little too, just for fun probably.

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pimpmaster9000

the intelligent user already knows this...expects this...most of the big spenders are used to being marketed to and fully expect it...most spenders are used to paying for stuff and do not mind..

its like hitting on a girl...you can take the gentlemanly approach and get friendzoned or you can grab your nuts and do something ballsy and you will probably score...

this is just my reasoning, I am not saying I know your traffic or situation or what is best for you...just arguing against promoting free sites ect...

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genoveze

Bonga doesnt offer full WL integrations with my billing.
still looking.

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genoveze

ok so what about vkcams.com is that under your db/billing?

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adultmobile

Nice points if only MFC did not allowed to be clothed always and accept only PVT ($6/minute) too, and if models in MFC it was only in MFC rather than in 2-5 sites at same time with splitcam... so when you see free play show in MFC, this is really a private in jasmin / imlive / streamate, paid by an user on the PVT site, but re-broadcasted in MFC for free "just in case I get some extra tips in MFC too".

So:

1) "Very few top models will agree to work there because they WILL make bank on PVT sites."
1b) Free sites does not forbid to work in PVT old way. There are models in MFC and free sites which are always fully clothed, and will be naked only for PVT and (paid) groups. Exactly because guys see other girls naked, they get curious of this only clothed girl, up to the point of paying to see her naked too. I see this all the time in my cam site - models even ask me "why I show my pussy all the time and get no tips, while this other slut just blah blah clothed and is full of money?".

2) "Long term careers on MFC are no more. "
2b) I know lots of models who are in first page of MFC since 2010 or before, so I disagree on the decline of very old models, these keep solid. It is true that for totally new models, it is more difficult to go up and keep there for long, but this is not because of free or paid issue. This is simply due to supply/demand, there are 10,000's of models being added every month. There was very few new models years ago... more girls got internet now, and learned how to login to a cam site even just to try and fail and quit after a week. So unless you made lots of fans in the past years, to be noticed today as new models, it is harder simply because so many new girls every day, naked or clothed does not matter, it is like make a viral youtube video in 2006 or in 2014, ther'es more people submitting videos.

3) Losing models to tube rips...
3b) Ok this is true, in private only sites, the recording of shows it is less distributed - but a model showing naked in free public site shoudl consider this from day 1 anyway. Also note the 1b) it is possible to work in free sites keeping clothed always in public, and naked only in PVT or (paid) groups - this is what does some models who does not want to see their own naked photo being printed on paper and glued on her home door (it happened to a cam model of mine in Kiev... not nice).

4) and big spenders for the most part do not care about the word FREE
4b) You sure? As part of cam site support I talk with some big spenders (i.e. whale) and they often mention how a free site it is useful to preview the models better, of course with the option of taking them in PVT at right time. I mean big spenders will keep an account in free sites, even just to take in PVT the few girls who are not naked (see 1b).

5) I have a 1000$/day model and next to her the 1.5$ lesbo squirt in mouth gig...
5b) You miss the "love a specific girl fixation" factor there. Cam shows it is not equal, it depends who is performing. For example no one cares about a naked photo of a pornstar, but a naked photo of a VIP like a singer will be big deal - really both it is a "naked girl", and perhaps the VIP is even less pretty, but depends who the pussy belongs to.
Most money in cams it is spent by specific couples user<->model, where the user is fan (loves) a specific girl only, and cares only to her. No matter she cost $10 a minute while other girls cost $1 a minute, he will spend $10 a minute with her. He does not care if there's 1000 other pretty girls with a motorbyke in the pussy and a minivan in the ass, he only loves that one model, and will be excited to just see her show nipples.

Actually this 5b) it is what saves the whole cams business despite cam show screencams in tubes for free, and even despite 1000 live nude shows for free - there's always some guy who love (fixated with) a specific girl, and he will sell his own home to be always with her.

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1) Yes I used to work MFC that way models would run it in the background and if they were ok with it being shown parallel they would make x amount of credits or wait for a rare PVT. But this is not enough to keep a girl on the first page. Was not worth the split cam. More money was always made splitting on other sites.

The problem is no "top model" of mine will work MFC period. Top models make top money. Time invested in top models promotion is the most profitable time.

As an affiliate and studio boss I want to maximize my return on investment, money wise and long term. Token sites are simply not a solid foundation for my long term marketing efforts compared to PVT sites.

2) Yes token girls will stay on token sites but the consensus in my studio is that profits are waaaay down on MFC and that its basically not worth splitcamming. How much does your top girl make on MFC/month? Just out of curiosity of course, It may be that all my models simply do not know how to work MFC but they sure know how to work almost every other site.


4) & 5)

Yes there are spenders who like free previews but in general a big spender has no problem paying for a short PVT for a girl he likes...money is nothing to them so a free trial vs. a 50$PVT is not much of a deal breaker..."FREE" is simply not so appealing to most people with money...

no model or theory is perfect...the token sites have profit no doubt...I just see them as a shovel and PVT sites as a much more efficient digger machine...ok my situation is not as a pure affiliate but even if I was one I would still feel the same...

adultmobile

If the MFC's and tokens business model did not worked, these sites had closed, and no one copied. So you should guess, it works, financially, for its owners.

Don't get me wrong, on the studio's point of view, MFC it may suck, I was just saying that on the MFC's owner and its affiliates point of view, it does well.
I know that top MFC girls do not splitcam, only the low camscore does, but 99.9% of the MFC girls are NOT in top. Most studios I talk with are hating MFC (or chaturbate, bongacams, even out tubecamgirl lol) for reasons you stated (girl next to me is showing all for 1 token). Still everyone keeps MFC open "just in case" even if doing no money there, which makes MFC (and clones) a winning business model. Studios in particular hate MFC because the models there can easily get contacts of members to get western unions (without declare this to studio) and often quit the studio and setup home to get 100% of MFC plus the western unions. The "PVT" sites got admins enforcing the "do not share email/skype" rule to avoid western unions, also locking the models to studio who registered first, so "investment" of studio into models, it is more safeguarded (wheter or not the model calls this pimp slavery).

We run 2 cam sites, one free with "tokens" (tubecamgirl.com) and one with private only (chatgf.com, there is not even free chat). If MFC (and clones) did not existed, I would have kept only the PVT site. As well as pay site owners would have kept tgp's if tubes did not existed. But since MFC (and tubes) do exist, we (and every other cam site) adapted.
Adapted to what? To a free cams business models which it works for the sites (and several affiliates), even if not that much for studios and models. What should cam sites do, die by keeping "PVT only" while leaving all the business and pay users to MFC's? While complaining on boards?

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I disagree on the "many" there, except if you are taking of filipina only. For blondes, correct into: "an incredibly low % of models, marry camsite members", add: "an even lower % of these, keep with the guy without divorce asap".
In fact, by observing thoousands of cam girls with hundreds of thousands of members across 10 years, I got note of just couple of marriages, one of which was after spending $100,000 on her across a year (plus unmonitored western unions).
Compare this stats ratio, with the probability of marrying some girl you meet in facebook, for example, that's like 1000 times more likely than marry a cam girl, also likely cheaper process.

Of course, the fact most cam girls will say "I love you" to everyone after the first $20 spent on her, it is part of the business model - so many believe this. Especially, there's always that one model who married that one member as example that this is possible (as much as that one guy won that one lottery). What matter it is not to remind how many have not married the cam girl, and how many have not won the lottery, i.e., to hide the ratio, and only mention the success sory.

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I'm talking about Russian speaking models, "many" is hard to quatintify. If you like - "some of models".
Who know, where disappear models, that worked for 2-8 weeks in Studios?
They will money, not be a camgirl for all life. Some girl find own guy in chat.