A deterrent? Really? Do people seriously sit around and think "man I better lock up my gun... if I am a total idiot and leave my gun out and my four-year-old shoots somebody they might take away my weapons!"

LOL.

That doesn't sound like any more of a deterrent than the death penalty. If you're going to murder someone, you're going to murder someone. If you are going to be an idiot, you are going to be an idiot.

I think the phrase "gun control" has a bad rap. Pretty much everyone believes in some sort of gun control. I don't know anyone that wants an ex-con walking around with a bazooka.

It's too bad interest groups always need to get involved and ruin any rational discussion.

Shotguns (and all other hunting rifles) require a hunting license, which has somewhat similar requirements (a hunting course, proof of good behaviour).

And again, the exact point of laws like these is to enforce more responsible gun ownership. Some people are irresponsible twats, and should not have weapons. Fortunately, these are the same sort of people who are unlikely to follow any required courses and get required licenses.

Stop people from buying weapons on impulse, and you immediately limit the amount of accidents that occur.

Well, when they enacted the law years ago, everyone I know went out and bought trigger locks.

Ya, there are plenty of idiots out there that are going to do whatever they want no matter what, but I'm sure you'd also find a few parents out there that thought they had their firearms stored reasonably well who ended up with a dead kid. If the law had been in place maybe they would have taken the extra step to ensure the safety of their kids.

No one used trigger locks that I knew of until they enacted this law.

evildick.....my fucking god please change the avatar....or is that a new niche your promoting

Remember, you pussies:

1. Those who turn their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.

2. The Second Amendment is the right that guards all other rights.

3. Historically, the rise of totalitarian societies were preceded by the disarming of the populace.


Don't be a fucking spineless pacifist who thinks guns are evil and bad. Use your head, be a responsible gun owner, and practice your shooting regularly. :2 cents:

I'm thinking if the babysitter would have been packing, none of this would have happened.

I'm almost positive I could get off a shot on a four year old before he even got the rifle raised.

If you need to pull a gun to get your wife to cook, just order a pizza. :1orglaugh

I have a mossy 500 pistol grip within arms reach while I sleep as well, never knew you could fit a bayonet on them...what model do you have? Forums I've searched say it's not possible to fit one on a 500.

It's 2009 already, why aren't all guns palmprint-activated? If they were there isn't a 4 year old on the planet who could "accidentally fire off daddy's gun and kill the babysitter".

Law--all guns must be palmprint activated. Now that's a gun law I could throw support behind. :D

Then everyone could go back to being irresponsible and leaving a loaded gun or two laying around for handy access in case of, oh, rabid animal in the yard, home invasion, stopping a car thief, nieghbor looking at you funny, etc.

maybee you can go create a palm print gun

have fun with that.

Either it's already been invented or I watch too much James Bond.

Either way my last name isn't Edison.

im sure someone has managed to do it but the problem is what % of gun owners want one ?

Even if you made it mandatory lets say at the beginning of 2010 all guns sold have to have it, you would see a huge run of gun sales till then by everyone that thinks the idea is stupid.

So you still have millions of gun out there without it and they will be around for the next 50-100 years you cant make a law retroactive and just take away everyone's guns that dont have it.

Personally i think its a stupid idea it adds another thing that can break or not work when you really need your gun, there is a reason revolvers are still popular its because they dont jam and you can almost guarantee when you need it, it will work.

Seems OK to me.

1. You really need to lighten up and find your sense of humor. I even put a smiley in that post, what part of it was lost on you? :D :D :D :D See? SMILEY

2. It seems the technology already exists: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/59...scription.html

3. If it did become a law no one would give a shit "what gun owners want" or how many of them want such a gun. You make it so all existing guns must be refitted, and all new guns have this kind of safety feature, then you enforce the law. Period. If it takes 20 years to make every gun safer then that's what it takes, stupid idea or not.

4. I'm not sleepy quite yet, want me to help you look for that sense of humor you've misplaced? Lmk.

1.
sorry 3:30am here a little groggy :)

was not trying to come off as an asshole :)
2. No the patent exists you proved nothing more :)
3. Impossible i think to have all existing guns retrofitted i dont think you would be able to pass this law there would be rioting.

4.
hook me up :)

on a side note if the technology was workable i could see the fbi and the police field testing this for years before it because mandatory for anyone else to use it.

so will i see cops with gun with these safeties im not worried :)

No you're not, I agree with you on that one:thumbsup

That's insane!!

Idiot parents if anyone is to blame in this. Firearms should be properly secured at all times in homes with children.. or any home for that matter.

ANyone who has young children should definitely be wary of all possibilities. At the age of 4 children have not yet developed a social conscience or anything of the like..that doesn't truly start until 6. Until that happens, they are creatures basically of pure emotion, without thought or even understanding of consequences. During that period of a child's life, it is SOLELY a parent's responsibility to keep them in a safe environment and to ensure that they can't get their hands on things that are potentially harmful. Parents are expected to lock up their cleaning supplies for fear of poisoning, how is it less reasonable to expect a parent to lock up a gun with a small child running around.

Not sure how to break it to you, but two is the minority around here. :2 cents:

What I found the most disturbing that at 4 years old this kid thought that shooting someone was an acceptable form of action for having his foot stepped on! I have raised 2 kids and at 4 years old if they were mad they had a temper tantrum or pouted. That is not a normal reaction for a child of that age.

wonder where the kid got the idea to shoot the babysitter

If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line.:2 cents:

I just wanna say so many things about this and some of the comments,but it won't make a difference. Parents are making the difference right now

what did we all learn here?

dont step on peoples toes

Don't you people realize guns are just another one of Mother Nature's alternative remedies to stop the proliferation of people? Homosexual's work in that respect, but guns are so much better.

I have the 590A1, which I believe is the military version. Let me see if I have a pic.

So am I the only one who is finding it funny that somewhere, there's a trailer park hick named Nathan Beavers?

don't have a pic on this computer, but if you search for that model you will see it. Comes with the 20 inch heavier barrel standard, and replaces the plastic safety with a metal one, and has the bayonet lug. I think those are the only differences. I also added a six shot shell holder on the side. Just want to get a light on the front and then it will be the perfect zombie killing machine.

I just want to thank all of the anti-gun people here for thinking so much about the size of my penis....

dude, have you ever had to pull a gun in an emergency situation or even just plain hunting for that matter?

if someone wanted too, they could kick in my door (setting the alarm off i might add) and have a gun to my head within 5 seconds, 10 seconds if they walked.

if you can wake up from a dead sleep, realize what just happened, look for your key, find it, reach under your bed, find your shotgun, load shells in it, pump a round in it, never mind, you were DEAD about the time you put your key in the lock!!

get my point?

Time

besides, what if you don't have any kids? why is that law fair to a single women that might have a stalker? or live in a bad part of town?
she should keep her gun locked up? nah, that's not smart.

Keep your shit loaded man!

I'd rather take a fine than lose my life.

You never know when you really might need it in a jiffy. Sort of like car accidents. Shit can happen out of nowhere.

And your optimum solution to this scenario is a loaded gun on the bedside table? :1orglaugh

How about getting a better fucking door? Solid core, hinged on a steel frame? Maybe a door gate on top of that? That could easily buy you another 5-10 minutes, while the guy gets his blow torch and sledge hammer out. :winkwink:

because it wouldn't matter, i live on the inter coastal waterway and I'd guestimate that 75% of my wall area is either windows or full french doors

solid steel doors, fences, gates, all that shit won't fit into this neighborhood

so yes, if the alarm goes off it will literally elevate me out of my bed (it's so fucking loud)

(ha ha you should see my cats when i accidentally set it off)

anyways, yes that is my plan, a revolver within hands reach.

if any of you were an armed robber, who's house would you rather rob?

my house or evildicks?

hehe

Whichever of you was on vacation at the time. Most criminals who rob houses try to avoid confrontations :2 cents:

Of course, if an armed criminal for some reason robbed both of your houses while you were at home, you'd be likelier to end up dead than evildick, since he wouldn't be coming at the robber with a gun, and you would. Yeah, I know, like every other gun owner you think you'd get the shot off first.

But you definitely have a better chance of survival with serial killers, I'll give you that. It's almost a shame they're so uncommon.

but he would be coming at him with his bayonet?, lol

On a completely different note, does anyone here have their windows treated with that shatterguard stuff that's supposed to be impossible to break? All this talk has got me thinking about home security.

i've never heard of a treatment that does that, but they do make hurricane film (like tint), pretty sure SoloGuard makes it, so if flying debris hits and breaks your glass windows they will stay together, not let water in, etc etc

actually my Aunt owns a business that installs it in S Florida.

The neighbor across the street just built a new house and it has some type of plastic in the windows (instead of glass) that the code calls for if you do not want to have shutters.

I Don't think it's Lexan. Lexan is bulletproof but it scratches very easy. The best thing to do is have a jamup security system with glass break sensors.

Houses with alarm systems are 3 times less likely to be burglarized and for me the monthly monitoring lowered my home insurance 20%, i actually make money on the deal, (not including the hardware) but in time it will pay for it all I suppose.