Even shotguns?

My original point still stands though.

that's a stupid law

that not only keeps them out of little kids hands but also out of your hands in case you need it quickly

i'm not saying leave them laying around on the coffee table or anything but keeping every gun you own locked up and unloaded is stupid

unless of course the next home invasion they call ahead and let you know they are coming

that's a great idea

they should just make 2257 laws for criminals,
all robbers must first keep a record of every house they break in to.

that will stop all robberies and then no one would need any firearms to protect themselves :-}

As a non-smoker I have limited use of lighters. Upon closer inspection I see that there is a spring there. Much better option than the clip they used to use.

I will be sure to consult with you re: all things child proof.

Right, but how exactly do they enforce that law? Do they inspect your home randomly? Or is it based on the trust system and if you get caught shooting someone then you also get hit with that charge as well?

I highly doubt all Canadians meet those minimum requirements. There is no way to enforce such a law. That is why gun control laws would not have done anything to prevent this incident. The parents should have had the weapon out of the child's reach, period. This is an "idiot incident", we don't need another 10 laws trying to prevent something like this happening again when common sense can't even prevent it.

Stupid people... that's all it was.

If that 4 year old had loaded a slug in that gun, I doubt anyone involved would have thought that was a stupid law. I can't believe you think forcing people to keep their guns locked is a stupid law.

There's nothing stopping you from keeping your shotgun under your bed with your ammo in your nightstand right beside you. Just keep the key in the bedroom with you where a kid can't get at it.

If you don't have time to grab a key in your bedroom chances are your going to get killed before you even know what's going on anyway.

I keep a pistol grip Mossberg beside my bed (with trigger lock on) and I have a nice bayonet on the end of it in case I need to get pokey.

a basic rule of thumb in life is:

if you have limited knowledge of something stay the fuck out of the conversation and especially don't go take pics of it and post them in the thread trying to be Mr smarty pants.

(however in this case i enjoyed watching you stick your foot in your mouth :thumbsup }

made my night :upsidedow

So you think guns should be locked up but have no problem with a bayonet sitting next to your bed? LOL.

They enforce it when they see it happen. For instance, this family in Ohio would lose all their guns and be charged. Nothing will happen in this case, since there is no law on the books.

And yes, if police are called to your house for an incident involving a firearm then they are going to inspect your storage methods. If you are not following the rules then you get charged, possibly losing your firearms.

Seeing people charged with stuff like that acts as a deterrent for most people, even though it should be common sense already.

But I agree, they were stupid and stupid people probably aren't going to care anyway.

Well said :thumbsup

Ya, it's hard for a kid to blow his head off or kill someone else accidentally with a bayonet. If I had small kids in the house then I wouldn't have it laying around either. It's just a knife. Do you have steak knives in your kitchen?

A deterrent? Really? Do people seriously sit around and think "man I better lock up my gun... if I am a total idiot and leave my gun out and my four-year-old shoots somebody they might take away my weapons!"

LOL.

That doesn't sound like any more of a deterrent than the death penalty. If you're going to murder someone, you're going to murder someone. If you are going to be an idiot, you are going to be an idiot.

I think the phrase "gun control" has a bad rap. Pretty much everyone believes in some sort of gun control. I don't know anyone that wants an ex-con walking around with a bazooka.

It's too bad interest groups always need to get involved and ruin any rational discussion.

Shotguns (and all other hunting rifles) require a hunting license, which has somewhat similar requirements (a hunting course, proof of good behaviour).

And again, the exact point of laws like these is to enforce more responsible gun ownership. Some people are irresponsible twats, and should not have weapons. Fortunately, these are the same sort of people who are unlikely to follow any required courses and get required licenses.

Stop people from buying weapons on impulse, and you immediately limit the amount of accidents that occur.

Well, when they enacted the law years ago, everyone I know went out and bought trigger locks.

Ya, there are plenty of idiots out there that are going to do whatever they want no matter what, but I'm sure you'd also find a few parents out there that thought they had their firearms stored reasonably well who ended up with a dead kid. If the law had been in place maybe they would have taken the extra step to ensure the safety of their kids.

No one used trigger locks that I knew of until they enacted this law.

evildick.....my fucking god please change the avatar....or is that a new niche your promoting

Remember, you pussies:

1. Those who turn their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.

2. The Second Amendment is the right that guards all other rights.

3. Historically, the rise of totalitarian societies were preceded by the disarming of the populace.


Don't be a fucking spineless pacifist who thinks guns are evil and bad. Use your head, be a responsible gun owner, and practice your shooting regularly. :2 cents:

I'm thinking if the babysitter would have been packing, none of this would have happened.

I'm almost positive I could get off a shot on a four year old before he even got the rifle raised.

If you need to pull a gun to get your wife to cook, just order a pizza. :1orglaugh

I have a mossy 500 pistol grip within arms reach while I sleep as well, never knew you could fit a bayonet on them...what model do you have? Forums I've searched say it's not possible to fit one on a 500.

It's 2009 already, why aren't all guns palmprint-activated? If they were there isn't a 4 year old on the planet who could "accidentally fire off daddy's gun and kill the babysitter".

Law--all guns must be palmprint activated. Now that's a gun law I could throw support behind. :D

Then everyone could go back to being irresponsible and leaving a loaded gun or two laying around for handy access in case of, oh, rabid animal in the yard, home invasion, stopping a car thief, nieghbor looking at you funny, etc.

maybee you can go create a palm print gun

have fun with that.

Either it's already been invented or I watch too much James Bond.

Either way my last name isn't Edison.

im sure someone has managed to do it but the problem is what % of gun owners want one ?

Even if you made it mandatory lets say at the beginning of 2010 all guns sold have to have it, you would see a huge run of gun sales till then by everyone that thinks the idea is stupid.

So you still have millions of gun out there without it and they will be around for the next 50-100 years you cant make a law retroactive and just take away everyone's guns that dont have it.

Personally i think its a stupid idea it adds another thing that can break or not work when you really need your gun, there is a reason revolvers are still popular its because they dont jam and you can almost guarantee when you need it, it will work.

Seems OK to me.

1. You really need to lighten up and find your sense of humor. I even put a smiley in that post, what part of it was lost on you? :D :D :D :D See? SMILEY

2. It seems the technology already exists: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/59...scription.html

3. If it did become a law no one would give a shit "what gun owners want" or how many of them want such a gun. You make it so all existing guns must be refitted, and all new guns have this kind of safety feature, then you enforce the law. Period. If it takes 20 years to make every gun safer then that's what it takes, stupid idea or not.

4. I'm not sleepy quite yet, want me to help you look for that sense of humor you've misplaced? Lmk.

1.
sorry 3:30am here a little groggy :)

was not trying to come off as an asshole :)
2. No the patent exists you proved nothing more :)
3. Impossible i think to have all existing guns retrofitted i dont think you would be able to pass this law there would be rioting.

4.
hook me up :)

on a side note if the technology was workable i could see the fbi and the police field testing this for years before it because mandatory for anyone else to use it.

so will i see cops with gun with these safeties im not worried :)

No you're not, I agree with you on that one:thumbsup

That's insane!!

Idiot parents if anyone is to blame in this. Firearms should be properly secured at all times in homes with children.. or any home for that matter.

ANyone who has young children should definitely be wary of all possibilities. At the age of 4 children have not yet developed a social conscience or anything of the like..that doesn't truly start until 6. Until that happens, they are creatures basically of pure emotion, without thought or even understanding of consequences. During that period of a child's life, it is SOLELY a parent's responsibility to keep them in a safe environment and to ensure that they can't get their hands on things that are potentially harmful. Parents are expected to lock up their cleaning supplies for fear of poisoning, how is it less reasonable to expect a parent to lock up a gun with a small child running around.

Not sure how to break it to you, but two is the minority around here. :2 cents:

What I found the most disturbing that at 4 years old this kid thought that shooting someone was an acceptable form of action for having his foot stepped on! I have raised 2 kids and at 4 years old if they were mad they had a temper tantrum or pouted. That is not a normal reaction for a child of that age.

wonder where the kid got the idea to shoot the babysitter

If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line.:2 cents:

I just wanna say so many things about this and some of the comments,but it won't make a difference. Parents are making the difference right now

what did we all learn here?

dont step on peoples toes

Don't you people realize guns are just another one of Mother Nature's alternative remedies to stop the proliferation of people? Homosexual's work in that respect, but guns are so much better.

I have the 590A1, which I believe is the military version. Let me see if I have a pic.

So am I the only one who is finding it funny that somewhere, there's a trailer park hick named Nathan Beavers?