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Spunky · 12-10-2002, 09:14 PM

Dirty Old Man is cool

Lensman · 12-10-2002, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by Gman.357
Isn't Max Candy up in Vancouver too?

I think he's been shooting in Europe exclusively for some time now. We bump into models who've worked with him in our European studio.

UnseenWorld · 12-10-2002, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by MrPopup
Unfortunately many of the women in this area are addicted to drugs and the sex trade is the only way to make money...

If it's been a year long investigation, I think it might be a lot worse then people think. People get away with all sorts of shit in this city, so this shit is probably thick....

Laws are made for a reason and they need to be adhered to.

There is ZERO erotica value in the portrayal of rape.

This is the rap against our entire business, and while I believe it's often more true of the girls who do hardcore video than the girls who just model, let's not forget there are also girls who are just exploring a wild side to their personality. I take much more advantage of girl's need for excitement and adventure than a need to pay the rent or even drugs. Let's face it: most girls would rather move back in with mom or crash temporarily with friends than pose nude to pay their rent.

I try to stay away from drug users because (a) they make crummy models and (b) valuable photography equipment is likely to disappear into their backpack while my back is turned.

And while I agree there is zero erotica value in actual rape, there actually IS a lot of erotica value in what is known to be feigned abuse. That is simply role playing.

Also, there are girls who like it rough. I had one model explain to me that her best orgasms came when her dates ignored her pleas to stop and treated her roughly. In her words, "I like being taken. It's about the only way I orgasm."

What is erotic is a very complicated matter and can't be summarized in a bumpersticker phrase.

Brown Bear · 12-10-2002, 09:48 PM

Damn, this is some fairly big news. It's not everyday that a porn company of that size gets busted.

I guess if you play with fire long enough, eventually you're gonna get burned.

Brent · 12-10-2002, 09:50 PM

they pretty much broke all the rules in the province of BC.

cant tie people up - they did it
cant full fist - they did it
cant piss on someone - they did it
can't degrade people- they did it

i would like to see them fight it all- as i disagree with BC laws.

UnseenWorld · 12-10-2002, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Brent
they pretty much broke all the rules in the province of BC.

cant tie people up - they did it
cant full fist - they did it
cant piss on someone - they did it
can't degrade people- they did it

i would like to see them fight it all- as i disagree with BC laws.

Note these restrictions all you guys thinking of moving your business to Canada. I could work within those confines myself, but obviously Canada is no bastion of "free expression," since they don't even allow those things between consenting adults!

Of course back here in the States, in Seattle, they had (may still have for all I know) a law against depicting "women in peril." Which made BDSM porn a pretty touchy subject, though I always wondered how they could legally display about 95% of Hollywood movies there. Anybody familiar with the rules in Seattle here?

Shark · 12-10-2002, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
I've seen their Fisting Lessons site, and they work with VERY submissive girls. Humiliation is part of their schtick. It's hard to know if a girl was ACTUALLY raped and abused or if she's just biting the hand which at one time fed her. Keep an open mind. The problem everybody in our business has is that everyone wants to believe the worst about us, so if a model tells an outright lie about me, she would likely be believed, and with the Sweets, their material is so nasty (anal and vaginal fisting, golden showers, etc., and with a humiliation tinge) that they are walking into court with a virtual presumption of guilt.

Totally agree, we shouldnt be quick to judge them based on media reports.

Ive leased most of the feeds from SEG, back from when they first offered them, they have always been great people to deal with on a business level.

As for their content, while some of the BDSM stuff they have turns my stomach, I've seen other "amateur style" content streams offered for lease that were more degrading to the female models in my opinion.

drops · 12-10-2002, 10:00 PM

ButtCam.com (SEG) is the coolest fucking thing i've ever seen in this business

JFK · 12-10-2002, 10:07 PM

Innocent till proven Guilty ! Like Someone said earlier in the thread, a lot of people were trying to be their friends, when the getting was good !

Brent · 12-10-2002, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Note these restrictions all you guys thinking of moving your business to Canada. I could work within those confines myself, but obviously Canada is no bastion of "free expression," since they don't even allow those things between consenting adults!

actually the Sweets could move east to the next Canadian Provine ( Alberta) and do most of that shit.

its just the laws of British Colombia that are the most strict in Canada.

each province has their own rules.

Shark · 12-10-2002, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Oh come on guys... the police didn't just go busting in there confiscating computers on a whim. This has been investigated thoroughly.

You're joking aren't you ?

Stamm321 · 12-10-2002, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by Lensman

You guys all know that the "Sweets" are not their real names right? They aren't brothers, etc.

I would be like calling everyone in my office "Adults", and that's a stretch.

Lens its a little unfair of you to single out ToolGuy and Cheshire like that.. especially since their not around to defend themselves!

Sly_RJ · 12-10-2002, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Shark

You're joking aren't you ?

Normally I would be. But since they've been being investigated fore well over a year (stated earlier in this thread by someone else), then no, I'm not joking.

The police want the big fish and the "for sure" busts. Looks like they've been itching to bust this, the "rape girl" gave them the reason to.

We'll see what happens. But don't you start to wonder when various people are claiming that the studios have been under watch for some time now?

lilbitch · 12-10-2002, 10:21 PM

The answers to all the questions about the legalities, that youre wondering about, have been answered in a press release issued by the Sweet Entertainment Legal Department. You can find that statement here:

net pond dot com / messageboard
message #207346

Now, back to work, ya looky-loos!

directfiesta · 12-10-2002, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by I'm Slim

For example, every porn that is at the video store in Montreal has to pass by the Quebec film board, if its accepted by them, you can then distribute it.

Wrong! The Regie du Cinema is a Provincial review board with no juridiction on a federal law such as obscenity ( criminal code, article 159 if I remember right).

I was busted by two cops who hated me ( had testified against them in a case involving "the Devil in Miss Jones") for showing a video approved by the board for "public viewing", charged, fingerprinted. my staff threatned, etc.

Lost in first instance, won on appeal . The Crown and the Queen did not elect to go to the Supreme Court. Cost me in 1985 about 30,000 legal fees ( including 2 shrinks, the head of the sexology department of U de M, the chairwoman of Fraser University - Vancouver), etc...

The standards are not just the local community, like you all think ( This is why I had that expert witness from Vancouver - the far end for us of Canada). The standards are nationwide.

The various review boards have different standards, but they are barelly a "good father" defense argument in such a case. So don't think because you got their little sticky sticker at 0.50 or 2.00 each that you are safe... YOU ARE NOT SAFE!

Brown Bear · 12-10-2002, 10:26 PM

PRESS RELEASE: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Mr. Steve Sweet, President of Sweet Entertainment Group (SEG), and 3 other principals of the Corporation were charged on December 6, 2002 with 6 counts of obscenity based on 3 specific videos from the SadoSlaves.com Library.

SEG has not been charged with any criminal offense. Mr. Sweet has not been detained in this matter.

The Crown has alleged that Lexa Lords, Naughty Nikki and Mistress Twilight sadoslaves.com video episodes are obscene pursuant to s. 163 of the Criminal Code of Canada. Three counts allege that the accused "did make, distribute and circulate an obscene video" and three counts allege "did have in their possession for the purpose of publication, distribution and circulation, an obscene video."

It appears that the Crown is concentrating its efforts on the BDSM subculture by alleging that the material in question combines explicit sex with violence or torture or that the material is degrading and dehumanizing. The Crown has not to date provided particulars of what segment of the videos it regards as being obscene.

The charges stem from Vancouver Police Department raids on the premises of Sweet Entertainment Group that occurred on March 13, 2002 and second raid that occurred November 7, 2002.

A number of pre-charge applications and motions to Court have already been successfully brought by SEG resulting in Orders from both the Supreme Court of British Columbia and the Provincial Court of British Columbia for the return of SEG property.

The most recent decision from the Supreme Court of Canada regarding obscenity is a 1992 decision Regina v. Butler. Much has changed in the past 10 years, with the explosion of the Internet, the commercial availability of BDSM type content and the shift of community standards this past decade. Mr. Sweet has indicated that SEG will vigorously defend the charges. The case is far from trial and many matters remain to be dealt with. Of course, should the matter reach trial constitutional arguments regarding Freedom of Speech under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms will be at the forefront of what will likely prove to be a precedent setting case.

The maximum penalty under Canadian law for this offence is 2 years. A conviction generally results in a fine.

SEG will continue to provide cutting edge content to its many customers and carry on its operations as it rises to meet this legal challenge.

P. G. Kent-Snowsell, B.A. , LL.B.
Head of Legal Affairs
Sweet Entertainment Group

Shooter · 12-10-2002, 10:27 PM

Got this press release off the pond....

(edit) woops, Brown Bear beat me to it

AM Jeff · 12-10-2002, 10:31 PM

Yeah Matty..I see Lovematch is still around.

But his days are coming very numbered.

Brown Bear · 12-10-2002, 10:32 PM

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The Crown has alleged that Lexa Lords, Naughty Nikki and Mistress Twilight sadoslaves.com video episodes are obscene pursuant to s. 163 of the Criminal Code of Canada.

Has anyone seen those videos? What happens in them?

There must be something specific in those videos that is particularly obscene if they're the only videos (of all their content) that the police found to be illegal.

12-10-2002, 10:43 PM

After a year long investigation they'd look pretty stupid to not come up with at least one thing they considered obscene. They've got to justify they money they've spent so far.

Why do I have the image of Rosco P. Coltrane rummaging through computer files in my head? Coo coo coo.

MrPopup · 12-10-2002, 10:46 PM

Okay, I have seen the videos in question...

Lexa Lords, Naughty Nikki and Mistress Twilight all play greedy Oil Barons who were illegally elected to power. They abuse their oil industry connections and are trying to rape and pillage their way to a long forgotten Mainfest Destiny.

dirtydan · 12-10-2002, 10:48 PM

damn....

sweetpartners was one of the first (and my favourite) sponsors I ever signed up to... used to do well out of sweetloads.com, but haven't made shit from it since the beginning of this year..It used to recur like crazy

I used to wonder how the hell they got away with some of the stuff they promoted on sites like buttcam, fistingfun, bottlebabes, fistinglessons, peelovers, sadoslaves etc... especially since other sponsors seemed to be dropping similar sites to keep out of legal shit

xxxinnovations · 12-10-2002, 10:54 PM

I'm just glad as fuck I never got involved with them... but it's just very weird that this was the first woman to come out to say some shit like this after all this time.

Could this have been the FIRST time they've done this? I wouldn't think so.

12-10-2002, 10:58 PM

The fact that there were no complaints before could also mean that they have never done anything to a model that she has not agreed to beforehand, and that this girl just wants to get rich off of a lawsuit.

[The Leader] · 12-10-2002, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Lensman
Brad, I'm just jerking your chain.

But if I were you, I'd pack up shop there. Shit like this has a tendancy to spread. Either that, or just make Greg the scapegoat!

This isn't going to hurt people who are making run of the mill hardcore porn in Vancouver, or any part of Canada. It's just that Vancouver isn't a good place to shoot BDSM/humilliation stuff.

Quote:

Originally posted by LoveMatch

Believe me Brad

Sorry you're never allowed to use the phrase "believe me" on this board again. Come on, think. And if you say that board has underage pics, what the fuck are you doing posting a link to it here?

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

I dont see why they cant quite honestly, I would type in that name as well looking for them online.. Since they suply Cable Internet to about half of canada..... and as the other guy says, Rogers Cable is the other half

Because they don't have the name in the USA. Of coarse if Brad didn't have fat pockets to pay for legal fees, he probably would have lost it.

Kimmykim · 12-10-2002, 11:11 PM

It will be interesting I am sure to see what specifically is obscene in those videos.

Degrading, as you mentioned Brent, is a very subjective thing and it will be interesting if they bring that into the context of the case.

J.R. · 12-10-2002, 11:13 PM

Whatever the actual case is, this effects us all in some way!

I am glad I am not Canadian today...

Far-L · 12-10-2002, 11:17 PM

I am told the Sweet's were pissing off some people in Vancouver, and I know that they were doing stuff that certainly invited problems, but I seriously doubt that they would rape and torture a model against her consent.

From what I saw of their operation, and remember we go way back with the Sweets since we were the company that originally created one of their signature products, "Sweet Loads". they were very professional and up front with models about what to expect during a shoot. Most of their models "graduated" to the harder stuff once they felt comfortable with the producers. They did not walk in off the street and immediately get tied up and sodomized or anything like that.

I am sure many will jump to conclusions and try to pontificate about their superiority of ethics but vilifying the Sweets is not serving any purpose. Sure, they pushed the boundries and now they are going to have to pay, but don't forget for one second that almost everyone in the porn biz is pushing boundries... remember... they still kill pornographers in places like Singapore, Iran, etc.

On another note, Tom Sweet for a long time has been gone from the opeation.

Kiko_Wu · 12-10-2002, 11:19 PM

If you're a model that has had any contact with the Sweets you know that this is not bullshit- or the first time. The last time I had an email exchange with Steve Sweet about his little problem he was none too subtle about CCing his lawyer and that's not a fight I'm looking for so more then that I can't say.

Brown Bear · 12-10-2002, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by J.R.
Whatever the actual case is, this effects us all in some way!

I am glad I am not Canadian today...

Why? Do you produce rape, torture, or scat videos?

Morgan · 12-10-2002, 11:27 PM

someone should send em' a video camera so they can take some gay footage of thier next site: JailBaitTank.com

Make the best with you've got!

Morgan · 12-10-2002, 11:28 PM

JailBaitBus.com?

Validus · 12-10-2002, 11:29 PM

Shouldn?t 2 consenting adults be able to do whatever they want to?

Get real guys, Sweet follows the law to the letter. They have their own full-time legal time?

Looks more like a couple of cops fighting for 15 minutes of fame and some girl who wants to make some money along the way.

Sly_RJ · 12-10-2002, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
JailBaitBus.com?

I'm calling Hooper right now!

Candyman69 · 12-10-2002, 11:33 PM

i doubt anything seroius is coming out of this
those sweetboys are posting like nothings gonig on over there by hahahahahahaha

Nickatilynx · 12-10-2002, 11:35 PM

Validus...aren't you a "Sweet " ?

Quote:

Shouldn?t 2 consenting adults be able to do whatever they want to?

According to the media...she didn't consent.

|ncogn|to · 12-10-2002, 11:37 PM

Hilarious shit....

Almost ALL of the original "sweet" left. "Steve" and "thedirtyoldman" are left. Out of all the partners, only one had a name that was close to their real name. Everyone else you met, well, they weren't sweet. None of them are. No brothers, no family in the co other that "thor sweet" and "jamie sweet"

As for Tom...Himself and Rey and a few of the other intelligent employees got wise and got out. Out of all the 30+ employees that have been involved with sweet, only "Steve", "Jamie", Giselle and Mike(dirtyoldman) remain. All the other employees took off.

Try and click on the "Photo Album" link on
http://www.sweetentertainment.com

No link = NO CREW!!

archer · 12-10-2002, 11:41 PM

Police allege the porn companies went beyond the legal limits in some of the porn produced. They say the material crossed the line, degrading and victimizing women.

that's what the police are saying....

innocent til proven guilty remains true.... the crown must prove a number of issues not least Charter issues etc before the core issues of the case can even be addressed.

Canadian law in this area is really very unclear

hell, there was the recent Sharpe decision where the guy got off cuz his drawings of children had 'artistic merit'

...this case could easily go to the supreme court.

Nickatilynx · 12-10-2002, 11:42 PM

I agree archer.

But I would be concerned if I were gonna have to be the test case.

Far-L · 12-10-2002, 11:46 PM

Kiko Wu: We treat models exceedingly well and let them decide exactly what they will or will not do. Still, some come back, in one case 12 years after the fact, and try to incriminate us with allegations of coercion.

Max Hardcore, one of the most vile producers out there, an inspiration to rapists and child molestors the world over, and a person whose content I personally abhor, recently won when a model accused him of rape and torture... Problem was it was like her sixth time coming over to shoot exactly the same stuff she had done before.

I would be very surprised if you have not had models turn on you in a similar fashion and I highly doubt that you have raped and tortured any of your models... well, except the ones that refused to be fucked by Waldo....

I am not saying that the Sweets were not asking for trouble. Nor am I saying that they are saints. However, I do say that everyone should wait to get the facts before jumping to any conclusions.

Kiko_Wu · 12-10-2002, 11:53 PM

FarL, this isn't hearsay- this is me. I'm saying it. I have a company and a reputation and no stake in hurting or helping SEG. But I am saying- first hand, that there was a serous problem. So show me the respect of not lumping me in with petulant models.

Now I'm going to shut my mouth before I get a letter from SEGs lawer...

[The Leader] · 12-10-2002, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Validus
Shouldn?t 2 consenting adults be able to do whatever they want to?

No, rape stuff crosses the line.

Quote:

Originally posted by Validus
Get real guys, Sweet follows the law to the letter. They have their own full-time legal time?

No the do not, obviously.

Quote:

Originally posted by Validus

Looks more like a couple of cops fighting for 15 minutes of fame and some girl who wants to make some money along the way.

No it was a full scale investigation, everyone knew about it including SEG. I seriously doubt the girl was rapped, so you're probably right about the girl.

Brent · 12-10-2002, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Degrading, as you mentioned Brent, is a very subjective thing and it will be interesting if they bring that into the context of the case.

I'm almost certain they will KK. my lawyers told me to remove the word DEGRADE off all my tours awhile back.

TheFLY · 12-11-2002, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by MrPopup
HOWEVER, I have been made aware that they ensure that all content models READ ALOUD ON CAMERA all acts that they are

Wow... This is big news... Well we know what happens once computers get confiscated by the feds... kiss those machines goodbye.

I like the "shoveling water" description LOL...

Jay_StandAhead · 12-11-2002, 12:04 AM

After reading the Criminal Code, Anal on tape seems to be Illegal in Canada.

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159. (1) Every person who engages in an act of anal intercourse is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Exception
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to any act engaged in, in private, between

(a) husband and wife, or

(b) any two persons, each of whom is eighteen years of age or more,

both of whom consent to the act.

Idem
(3) For the purposes of subsection (2),

(a) an act shall be deemed not to have been engaged in in private if it is engaged in in a public place or if more than two persons take part or are present; and

(b) a person shall be deemed not to consent to an act

(i) if the consent is extorted by force, threats or fear of bodily harm or is obtained by false and fraudulent misrepresentations respecting the nature and quality of the act, or

(ii) if the court is satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that the person could not have consented to the act by reason of mental disability.

x582 · 12-11-2002, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]
After reading the Criminal Code...

Damn, you must be fucking tired.

Far-L · 12-11-2002, 12:16 AM

Kiko Wu: Please read my post again. I am not referring to you as a model. I am clearly respecting you as a producer and speculating that as a producer you must have had your share of models that have regrets about making porn and try to make it your fault by holding you responsible for "making" them do what they really would not have done otherwise...

If you heard what you did about the Sweets from a disgruntled model, then that is hearsay.

If you worked for or with the Sweets and they tried to take advangtage of you personally, then that is first hand information.

I have both first hand information, having personally been at the Sweet's studio and worked with them briefly, and heard hearsay from models and producers that have associated with the Sweets.

Models should never leave a set unhappy for any reason, regardless.

Where on earth do you get the impression that i am trying to belittle you? Besides the fact that I do not disrespect models just because they are models, and I am very well aware of your success as producer and business owner, I am very alarmed by your reading of my earlier post.

Jay_StandAhead · 12-11-2002, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by x582

Damn, you must be fucking tired.

Reading makes you tired?

x582 · 12-11-2002, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]

Reading makes you tired?

No,

Except Porn Magazines.

kmanrox · 12-11-2002, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
I heard news of this last week from my people in Vancouver, took some time to hit the press. (we produce more porn in vancouver than anyone)

But, now the press is ALL over it, and this is ALL over TV. Anyone familiar with the situation will tell you that the Sweets brought alot of this on themselves and that this is NO surprise. This started with complaints from models to the police, and the investigation was launched.

Personally, I am surprised this did not happen sooner as they had been under investigation for some time.

the girlfriend cheating vultures swoop in to add lambasting to the competition..... like clockwork....

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12-10-2002, 10:21 PM	#114
lilbitch Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 122	The answers to all the questions about the legalities, that youre wondering about, have been answered in a press release issued by the Sweet Entertainment Legal Department. You can find that statement here: net pond dot com / messageboard message #207346 Now, back to work, ya looky-loos! __________________ Oxeo Rocks...Just ask 'em! ?&%@!

12-10-2002, 10:26 PM	#116
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	PRESS RELEASE: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Mr. Steve Sweet, President of Sweet Entertainment Group (SEG), and 3 other principals of the Corporation were charged on December 6, 2002 with 6 counts of obscenity based on 3 specific videos from the SadoSlaves.com Library. SEG has not been charged with any criminal offense. Mr. Sweet has not been detained in this matter. The Crown has alleged that Lexa Lords, Naughty Nikki and Mistress Twilight sadoslaves.com video episodes are obscene pursuant to s. 163 of the Criminal Code of Canada. Three counts allege that the accused "did make, distribute and circulate an obscene video" and three counts allege "did have in their possession for the purpose of publication, distribution and circulation, an obscene video." It appears that the Crown is concentrating its efforts on the BDSM subculture by alleging that the material in question combines explicit sex with violence or torture or that the material is degrading and dehumanizing. The Crown has not to date provided particulars of what segment of the videos it regards as being obscene. The charges stem from Vancouver Police Department raids on the premises of Sweet Entertainment Group that occurred on March 13, 2002 and second raid that occurred November 7, 2002. A number of pre-charge applications and motions to Court have already been successfully brought by SEG resulting in Orders from both the Supreme Court of British Columbia and the Provincial Court of British Columbia for the return of SEG property. The most recent decision from the Supreme Court of Canada regarding obscenity is a 1992 decision Regina v. Butler. Much has changed in the past 10 years, with the explosion of the Internet, the commercial availability of BDSM type content and the shift of community standards this past decade. Mr. Sweet has indicated that SEG will vigorously defend the charges. The case is far from trial and many matters remain to be dealt with. Of course, should the matter reach trial constitutional arguments regarding Freedom of Speech under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms will be at the forefront of what will likely prove to be a precedent setting case. The maximum penalty under Canadian law for this offence is 2 years. A conviction generally results in a fine. SEG will continue to provide cutting edge content to its many customers and carry on its operations as it rises to meet this legal challenge. P. G. Kent-Snowsell, B.A. , LL.B. Head of Legal Affairs Sweet Entertainment Group __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

12-10-2002, 10:27 PM	#117
Shooter Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,842	Got this press release off the pond.... (edit) woops, Brown Bear beat me to it

12-10-2002, 10:31 PM	#118
AM Jeff Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The House Of Rage Posts: 1,320	Yeah Matty..I see Lovematch is still around. But his days are coming very numbered.

12-10-2002, 10:43 PM	#120
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	After a year long investigation they'd look pretty stupid to not come up with at least one thing they considered obscene. They've got to justify they money they've spent so far. Why do I have the image of Rosco P. Coltrane rummaging through computer files in my head? Coo coo coo.

12-10-2002, 10:46 PM	#121
MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	Okay, I have seen the videos in question... Lexa Lords, Naughty Nikki and Mistress Twilight all play greedy Oil Barons who were illegally elected to power. They abuse their oil industry connections and are trying to rape and pillage their way to a long forgotten Mainfest Destiny.

12-10-2002, 10:48 PM	#122
dirtydan Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3	damn.... sweetpartners was one of the first (and my favourite) sponsors I ever signed up to... used to do well out of sweetloads.com, but haven't made shit from it since the beginning of this year..It used to recur like crazy I used to wonder how the hell they got away with some of the stuff they promoted on sites like buttcam, fistingfun, bottlebabes, fistinglessons, peelovers, sadoslaves etc... especially since other sponsors seemed to be dropping similar sites to keep out of legal shit

12-10-2002, 10:54 PM	#123
xxxinnovations Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,181	I'm just glad as fuck I never got involved with them... but it's just very weird that this was the first woman to come out to say some shit like this after all this time. Could this have been the FIRST time they've done this? I wouldn't think so. __________________ Need CUSTOM T-Shirts or Custom ANYTHING? We'll Fucking do it! ICQ 37639971 or call 800-920-1233

12-10-2002, 10:58 PM	#124
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	The fact that there were no complaints before could also mean that they have never done anything to a model that she has not agreed to beforehand, and that this girl just wants to get rich off of a lawsuit.

12-10-2002, 11:11 PM	#126
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	It will be interesting I am sure to see what specifically is obscene in those videos. Degrading, as you mentioned Brent, is a very subjective thing and it will be interesting if they bring that into the context of the case.

12-10-2002, 11:13 PM	#127
J.R. Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,468	Whatever the actual case is, this effects us all in some way! I am glad I am not Canadian today...

12-10-2002, 11:17 PM	#128
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,075	I am told the Sweet's were pissing off some people in Vancouver, and I know that they were doing stuff that certainly invited problems, but I seriously doubt that they would rape and torture a model against her consent. From what I saw of their operation, and remember we go way back with the Sweets since we were the company that originally created one of their signature products, "Sweet Loads". they were very professional and up front with models about what to expect during a shoot. Most of their models "graduated" to the harder stuff once they felt comfortable with the producers. They did not walk in off the street and immediately get tied up and sodomized or anything like that. I am sure many will jump to conclusions and try to pontificate about their superiority of ethics but vilifying the Sweets is not serving any purpose. Sure, they pushed the boundries and now they are going to have to pay, but don't forget for one second that almost everyone in the porn biz is pushing boundries... remember... they still kill pornographers in places like Singapore, Iran, etc. On another note, Tom Sweet for a long time has been gone from the opeation. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

12-10-2002, 11:19 PM	#129
Kiko_Wu Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 182	If you're a model that has had any contact with the Sweets you know that this is not bullshit- or the first time. The last time I had an email exchange with Steve Sweet about his little problem he was none too subtle about CCing his lawyer and that's not a fight I'm looking for so more then that I can't say. __________________ Chinatown Girls 60/60 partnership program with FREE exclusive promotional content SexWaldo, The Web's First Interactive Sex Machine

12-10-2002, 11:27 PM	#131
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	someone should send em' a video camera so they can take some gay footage of thier next site: JailBaitTank.com Make the best with you've got! __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

12-10-2002, 11:28 PM	#132
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	JailBaitBus.com? __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

12-10-2002, 11:29 PM	#133
Validus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 4,012	Shouldn?t 2 consenting adults be able to do whatever they want to? Get real guys, Sweet follows the law to the letter. They have their own full-time legal time? Looks more like a couple of cops fighting for 15 minutes of fame and some girl who wants to make some money along the way.

12-10-2002, 11:33 PM	#135
Candyman69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 764	i doubt anything seroius is coming out of this those sweetboys are posting like nothings gonig on over there by hahahahahahaha __________________ domain buyer

12-10-2002, 11:37 PM	#137
\|ncogn\|to Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 46	Hilarious shit.... Almost ALL of the original "sweet" left. "Steve" and "thedirtyoldman" are left. Out of all the partners, only one had a name that was close to their real name. Everyone else you met, well, they weren't sweet. None of them are. No brothers, no family in the co other that "thor sweet" and "jamie sweet" As for Tom...Himself and Rey and a few of the other intelligent employees got wise and got out. Out of all the 30+ employees that have been involved with sweet, only "Steve", "Jamie", Giselle and Mike(dirtyoldman) remain. All the other employees took off. Try and click on the "Photo Album" link on http://www.sweetentertainment.com No link = NO CREW!!

12-10-2002, 11:41 PM	#138
archer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,721	Police allege the porn companies went beyond the legal limits in some of the porn produced. They say the material crossed the line, degrading and victimizing women. that's what the police are saying.... innocent til proven guilty remains true.... the crown must prove a number of issues not least Charter issues etc before the core issues of the case can even be addressed. Canadian law in this area is really very unclear hell, there was the recent Sharpe decision where the guy got off cuz his drawings of children had 'artistic merit' ...this case could easily go to the supreme court. __________________ Looking to promote uncut cock? Check out Uncut Cash. It rocks.

12-10-2002, 11:42 PM	#139
Nickatilynx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: International Gypsy Posts: 819	I agree archer. But I would be concerned if I were gonna have to be the test case. __________________ Skype - Nickatilynx

12-10-2002, 11:46 PM	#140
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,075	Kiko Wu: We treat models exceedingly well and let them decide exactly what they will or will not do. Still, some come back, in one case 12 years after the fact, and try to incriminate us with allegations of coercion. Max Hardcore, one of the most vile producers out there, an inspiration to rapists and child molestors the world over, and a person whose content I personally abhor, recently won when a model accused him of rape and torture... Problem was it was like her sixth time coming over to shoot exactly the same stuff she had done before. I would be very surprised if you have not had models turn on you in a similar fashion and I highly doubt that you have raped and tortured any of your models... well, except the ones that refused to be fucked by Waldo.... I am not saying that the Sweets were not asking for trouble. Nor am I saying that they are saints. However, I do say that everyone should wait to get the facts before jumping to any conclusions. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

12-10-2002, 11:53 PM	#141
Kiko_Wu Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 182	FarL, this isn't hearsay- this is me. I'm saying it. I have a company and a reputation and no stake in hurting or helping SEG. But I am saying- first hand, that there was a serous problem. So show me the respect of not lumping me in with petulant models. Now I'm going to shut my mouth before I get a letter from SEGs lawer... __________________ Chinatown Girls 60/60 partnership program with FREE exclusive promotional content SexWaldo, The Web's First Interactive Sex Machine

12-11-2002, 12:04 AM	#145
Jay_StandAhead Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,103	After reading the Criminal Code, Anal on tape seems to be Illegal in Canada. ----------- 159. (1) Every person who engages in an act of anal intercourse is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction. Exception (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to any act engaged in, in private, between (a) husband and wife, or (b) any two persons, each of whom is eighteen years of age or more, both of whom consent to the act. Idem (3) For the purposes of subsection (2), (a) an act shall be deemed not to have been engaged in in private if it is engaged in in a public place or if more than two persons take part or are present; and (b) a person shall be deemed not to consent to an act (i) if the consent is extorted by force, threats or fear of bodily harm or is obtained by false and fraudulent misrepresentations respecting the nature and quality of the act, or (ii) if the court is satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that the person could not have consented to the act by reason of mental disability.

12-11-2002, 12:16 AM	#147
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,075	Kiko Wu: Please read my post again. I am not referring to you as a model. I am clearly respecting you as a producer and speculating that as a producer you must have had your share of models that have regrets about making porn and try to make it your fault by holding you responsible for "making" them do what they really would not have done otherwise... If you heard what you did about the Sweets from a disgruntled model, then that is hearsay. If you worked for or with the Sweets and they tried to take advangtage of you personally, then that is first hand information. I have both first hand information, having personally been at the Sweet's studio and worked with them briefly, and heard hearsay from models and producers that have associated with the Sweets. Models should never leave a set unhappy for any reason, regardless. Where on earth do you get the impression that i am trying to belittle you? Besides the fact that I do not disrespect models just because they are models, and I am very well aware of your success as producer and business owner, I am very alarmed by your reading of my earlier post. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."