Vendzilla

"You shot me?"

generic left wing retard gasping for air

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Coup

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, they say. heh.

Vendzilla

and finding idiocy in Coups postings is sport and easy

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

WarChild

It's really very simple to understand and even you should get it. When there are more guns present, more people are hurt and killed with guns. Period, full stop. The United States finds its self in great company, surrounded by impoverished and war torn nations, in the rankings for gundeaths per capita. The rest of the industrialized World has far, far, far fewer gun deaths.

It's even evident within your own nation. The states with the most guns and most lax gun controls lead the nation in gun deaths.

See, the problem with having guns generally available is that any idiot can make a split second decision long before their pathetic brains can even process the situation. Shit just look at posters right here on GFY. Read some of Dirty Danza's posts. That guy is basically functionally retarded. I'm not saying that to be mean, it's just true. He's also running around loaded up with firearms, listening to police scanners hoping to be a hero. That doesn't sound like a dangerous situation to you?

Also, before you get all crazy and say anything else stupid, I should probably point out to you that DESPITE the facts of the matter, and they are facts there's no real disputing them, I'm not actually AGAINST gun ownership. In fact, in Costa Rica I had a concealed carry permit, took tactical training and from time to time depending on the situation I carried. Fortunately I'm smart enough to know even before I pull a trigger what kind of life changing decission I'd be making. Further I'm smart enough not to go say for instance drinking while carrying.

Now mind you, Costa Rica and the United States have similar numbers for handgun deaths per capita so as an American I'm sure you can well understand that when you're in a shit hole populated mostly by morons and many of them with guns then yeah I guess you have to get one too. Fortunately for the rest of us in the civilized world, we can still go hunting, or target shooting or any number of gun related "sports", but we don't have to worry about mental giants such as yourself shooting anyone. Well, at least we don't have to worry anywhere near as much.

Here's a big list of facts for you about guns and their usage in the United States. Sources are included.

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SallyRand

The Violence Policy Center?

LOL!

Talk about a fraud!

Famous for skewed statistics and outright lies!

Tells us that because a disporportionate number of black males shoot each other, the solution is to reduce access to firearms for all.

Right.

Try this on for size!:

http://www.guncontrolkills.com/469/g...ghts%E2%80%9D/

"Violence Policy Center ?Blacks Should Have Reduced Gun Rights?
Whatever the VPC?s intent may be, the gun control group indirectly concludes that black communities must be disarmed.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide10.pdf

Washington, DC ? -(Pajamasmedia.com)- The Violence Policy Center (VPC) ? the anti-gun rights group that Barack Obama repeatedly voted to fund while he was a director of the Joyce Foundation ? believes that African-Americans are too violent to deserve the entire Constitution.

Blacks in the United States are disproportionately affected by homicide. For the year 2007, blacks represented 13 percent of the nation?s population, yet accounted for 49 percent of all homicide victims.

As noted at the beginning of this study, the devastation homicide inflicts on black teens and adults is a national crisis, yet it is all too often ignored outside of affected communities.

For blacks, like all victims of homicide, guns ? usually handguns ? are far and away the number one murder tool. Successful efforts to reduce America?s black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms.

For an organization to make a public declaration that suggests an entire race be denied the same level of constitutional protections as others is both shocking and bewildering. The study received financing from left-wing groups dedicated to social engineering, including the David Bohnett Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, and the Public Welfare Foundation.

The goal of the Violence Policy Center in this report is the goal of the group in every report it has ever issued: an erosion of gun rights for all Americans, with the ultimate goal being the prohibition of all firearms save those under state control.

Towards that totalitarian end, the VPC does not seem to have any qualms about advocating a return to racist policies that left African-American communities helpless targets for most of a century.

Nor does Sugarman or his group explain how disarming law-abiding blacks will make them anything other than victims for those that refuse to follow existing prohibitions against murder?..

Whatever the VPC?s intent may be, the gun control group indirectly concludes that black communities must be disarmed.

Calls to limit the access of African-Americans to firearms specifically echo the ?black codes? adopted immediately at the end of the Civil War. These laws were passed in southern states in response to the Thirteenth Amendment?s outlawing of slavery, and were specifically engineered to circumscribe the civil rights and liberties of newly freed slaves and freemen. The codes assured the second-class status of African-Americans, and were a forerunner to decades of ?separate but equal? segregation under Jim Crow laws ? which were only overcome during the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Among the codes commonly passed were laws that forbid or restricted the ownership of firearms by African-Americans. The codes were ?justified? with the explanation that African-Americans did not have the same rights as white citizens.

The Ku Klux Klan and similar groups were active in attempting to disarm blacks in the post-war South, and United States v. Cruikshank gave paramilitary racist mobs carte blanche to disarm African-American communities. This left them nearly defenseless to decades of lynchings, assaults, indignity, and, in several dozen instances, full-fledged ?race riots? that are more accurately described as massacres. Most of these rampages occurred with the full knowledge of local and state governments. The 1898 Wilmington race riot was carried out with the full knowledge and indifference of both North Carolina Governor Daniel Lindsay Russell and President William McKinley.

One can only hope that Josh Sugarman, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, is completely ignorant of the many mob actions and the thousands of deaths that resulted from laws that stripped African-Americans of their rights and liberties. Considering his long-running and strident anti-gun advocacy, it seems likely that Sugarman and the organization are well aware of history but made a political calculation in asking that African-Americans be disarmed.

The goal of the Violence Policy Center in this report is the goal of the group in every report it has ever issued: an erosion of gun rights for all Americans, with the ultimate goal being the prohibition of all firearms save those under state control. Towards that totalitarian end, the VPC does not seem to have any qualms about advocating a return to racist policies that left African-American communities helpless targets for most of a century. Nor does Sugarman or his group explain how disarming law-abiding blacks will make them anything other than victims for those that refuse to follow existing prohibitions against murder."

WarChild

You can go ahead and check the quoted sources. Despite some of their odd beliefs and conclusions, the facts remain the same. The homicide rate with guns is higher in the US than any other developed nation, period. It's only rivaled by third world shit holes.

Anyway I'm not going to argue with you anymore as there really is no point to doing it. Did you notice that instead of trying to address the facts or sources themselves you just cherry picked some odd ball ideas posted on the same web page as some sort of evidence. You do understand that nothing you posted even comes close to dismissing the actual facts.

I'm glad people like you keep guns in your home, really. I know you think you're going to be a big hero with it someday, but chances are better you're just going to hurt somebody you love. The more idiots that kill or provide the tools to kill their own children the better, really.

Unfortunately statitics also tell us that stupid people multiply in higher numbers. So despite the great work you morons do to help limit your own numbers through retarded belief systems, we probably can't kill the Sally Rand's of the World fast enough to help bring up the average IQ, IMHO.

I'm with Amp, we're all fucked.

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WarChild

How about the Center for Disease Control, Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics? You cool when them as sources (even though they're the original sources I posted you just stopped reading before you got to them)?

Like I said, have at it Sally Rand. In fact, if you want to get together with all your friends and family for the New Years, I'll happily buy you all guns and booze to go along with it. It can't help but improve the World, all things considered.

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Amputate Your Head

Sally is living in a Rambo movie.

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SallyRand

The term "children" was re-defined a while back to include 18-19 year-olds who shot each other in drug related violence because the true numbers were going down and the stats were no longer working well for the gun grabbers:

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm

"Gun-related deaths in the USA"

Statistics and causes

The definitive source for US injury death statistics is the Centers For Disease Control National Center for Injury Prevention & Control website which provides statistics on all deaths by injury, not just gun deaths. To get the number of gun deaths for a year just set the Cause of Injury to Firearm. If you only want to know the number of child gun deaths per year then choose the custom age range and input 0 years ( <1 ) as the lowest age and 17 years as the top age. Be sure to select "No Age-Adjusting Requested" if you are only interested in a particular age group.

Note that the CDC child gun death figures are typically half of the figures that the gun control lobby publishes. The difference is in the definition of a child. The gun control lobby counts young adults that are 18 or 19 years old as children, but they do not count 20 year olds as children. You can choose from one of two possible reasons, depending on your level of cynicism: 1. The standard CDC age groups used to go from 0-19, 20-39, etc and the gun control lobby couldn't figure out how to select a custom age group. 2. Counting 18 and 19 year olds as children doubles the number of so-called child gun deaths, and more child gun deaths means more support for gun control.

In 1999 there were 1776 gun deaths in the 0 through 17 age group and 3385 gun deaths in the 0 through 19 age group. By subtraction we find that there were a whopping 1609 gun deaths in just the 18 through 19 age group. Historically the 18 through 24 age group is the highest crime-committing group. At age 18 part-time drug dealers leave school and become full-time drug dealers. Despite the propaganda from the gun control lobby, criminals in general and drug dealers in particular are the group of so-called children most likely to be shot by their fellow criminals. You can verify this by reading the local gun death news stories in any city newspaper. School shootings are so rare that every one gets national television coverage, but drug dealers are shot so often that they are barely mentioned in their local newspaper.

Older people's gun deaths are most likely to be suicides. Suicides typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths according to the Bureau Of Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.

The best way to prevent gun deaths is to treat depression and other mental illness, teach children not to sell or use illegal drugs, treat drug addiction, and have police concentrate on enforcing drug laws. However, the gun control lobby says that we should spend billions of dollars on gun registration and gun licensing instead of using the money to treat depression and combat drugs. Click here for some sensible ways to prevent gun violence.

The accidental gun death rate has been falling since 1930 and US accidental gun deaths per year were down to 824 by 1999 according to the CDC. Note that it is extremely easy to prevent accidental gun deaths by following Jeff Cooper's Four Rules Of Gun Safety."

Take a look around here also:

http://www.tincher.to/guntips.htm

Top Ten "Gun-Control" Myths

MYTH: Most gun deaths are caused by accidents or by crazed madmen.
FACT: More than two out of every three gun deaths are either suicides or drug-related murders.
Source: Centers For Disease Control - Deaths 1998 (625KB document!) and U.S. Department Of Justice - Bureau of Justice Statistics

MYTH: Twelve children are killed with guns each day.
FACT: Half of the people that politicians count as "children killed with guns" were actually legally adults. The gun murder rate started falling when crack cocaine started going out of style in 1990. In 1997, 2284 children aged 0-17 years were killed with guns, most of them teenagers. That is 6 per day. In 1998, the number dropped to 1971, still mostly teenagers. That is 5 per day. The age distribution of child gun deaths tracks the age distribution of child drug dealers.
Source: Centers For Disease Control

MYTH: The best way to protect children from guns is to keep children ignorant about them.
FACT: The best way to protect children from guns is to teach them gun safety and lock up guns whenever it is practical to do so. "Ignorance is best" is the old argument against sex-education, reworded by the same people who ridiculed it when it was used by sex-education opponents. With more than 250 million guns in the USA, children will encounter one sooner or later, especially if they live around police, security guards, hunters, or the military.

MYTH: Trigger locks are the best protection against unauthorized gun use.
FACT: The best protection against unauthorized gun use is to keep guns in a child-proof burglar-proof safe whenever they are not being used for hunting, self-protection, or target-shooting. Trigger locks do not protect guns from being stolen, and an improperly-installed trigger lock can cause a gun to fire accidentally, especially if the gun is dropped.

MYTH: The politicians who talk loudest about "gun-control" work hard to prevent gun violence.
FACT: After demanding passage of the Brady Law, the Clinton-Gore administration prosecuted fewer than 5 out of every 100 convicted felons who violated the law. In 1998 only 102 out of 90,000 were federally prosecuted.
Source: U.S. Department Of Justice - Bureau of Justice Statistics, courtesy of US Congressman John Dingell

MYTH: If guns were illegal, criminals would not have guns.
FACT: Guns are readily available in China, Eastern Europe, and illegal-drug-producing countries such as Mexico and Columbia. Criminals smuggled 690,000 pounds of cocaine into the USA in the first 6 months of 2000. Thousands of guns can be hidden in 690,000 pounds of cocaine.
Source: USA Today newspaper, 28 September 2000, page 3A

MYTH: Mandatory gun registration means all guns must be registered.
FACT: Because it is already illegal for convicted felons to own guns, the Fifth Amendment protects felons from being forced to incriminate themselves by registering their guns. Any criminal can easily avoid gun registration by committing a felony and getting probation, or by storing his guns at the home of a convicted felon. If his existing guns are confiscated, he can buy more from any drug dealer.
Source: Fifth Amendment To The Constitution Of The United States and the US Supreme Court ruling Haynes Versus United States

MYTH: "Gun-control" organizations are run by dedicated volunteers.
FACT: The president of Handgun Control Incorporated (HCI) makes more than $150,000 per year from gun violence.
Source: HCI financial filings

MYTH: The National Rifle Association (NRA) is evil.
FACT: For several decades the NRA has been working to reduce gun deaths. Their "Eddie Eagle" videos teach young children that when they encounter a gun they should: "Stop! Don't touch. Leave the area. Tell an adult." The NRA's magazines are full of advertisements for child-proof burglar-proof gun safes. The NRA-supported Project Exile has reduced gun deaths in Richmond, Virginia by strongly punishing criminals who use guns in crimes. The NRA has selfish reasons to fight gun violence: More gun deaths means more votes for anti-gun politicians and more money for multi-million-dollar "gun-control" businesses such as Handgun Control Incorporated.
Source: NRA "Eddie Eagle" videotape and American Rifleman magazine

MYTH: "Gun-control" laws worked in England.
FACT: After more than fifty years of "sensible gun-control laws," English criminals have more than three million illegal guns, twice as many as ten years ago.
Source: The Sunday Times newspaper, 16 January 2000, Killings rise as 3m illegal guns flood Britain and The Guardian newspaper, 23 October 2000, US-style gun law comes to Britain

WarChild

I know and you know she's ridiculous. She just can't grasp the facts and is left grasping at straws.

More people are killed by guns in the United States each year on a per capita basis, by a whopping margin, than any other industrialized nation. I say that's a fantastic statistic. The answer is clearly not less guns, it's more guns. I think every Sally Rand should have at least one gun, as much ammunition as she needs and the right to think she's going to be Rambo.

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WarChild

Here we are talking about facts, and Sally's arguing politics. How ass backward and American of her! Nobody's talking about gun control or new gun laws, or even prosecuting more, or any other bullshit she's rambling on about. There's no ending the gun culture in the United States. Grab a can of Bud, lock and load and yee haw let's stop us some crimes.

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Coup

and getting shot by criminals with guns stolen from right-wingers like vendzilla is.. the american way.

WarChild

No man you got it all wrong, Sally Rand would still be there to save the day!

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quiet

i am just hoping sally will post more of her brillant cartoon gif's at this point.

Vendzilla

•44,000 to 98,000 deaths annually from medical errors (Institute of Medicine)
Read more at http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/mistak...ktrack=kcplink

Should we ban doctors?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Amputate Your Head

they should have to go through full body scans before entering the hospitals.

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Vendzilla

I've been thru enough low level radiation, I don't want to go thru more, LMAO

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

WarChild

Don't be a fucking idiot it's unbecoming of you. You can't dismiss one set of facts with another. Thinking you can is its self ridiculous, but the counter-example you used is so absolutely absurd it should be beaneath anyone. Especially you.

Let's forgive just for a second that one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other and indulge your need to change the subject away from the facts and illustrate for you just how absurd it is.

Medical Science saves more lives every year, by an enormous margin, than they accidentally kill. The evidence for this is clear. People in the United States are living longer and fuller lives and that is of an almost direct result of Medcial Sciences.

I defy you to show me any statistic that says Doctors do more harm than good. You can't. Further, you already know that if you'll just be honest with yourself. For example, we know that you have at least one child. Clearly you love your daughter, you post about her with a sense of pride. Was she ever sick as a child and required a doctor? Was she born in a Hospital? If she were in a car accident in front of you, would you have her rushed to an ER? See you already know your argument is silly because of course you would seek medical help for your child! This alone proves you're not ACTUALLY worried that Doctor's are more dangerous than they are helpful.

On the flipside, if we take out suicides and assume they'll happen either way, and look at only homicides and accidents involving firearms, that's still some 17,000 or so deaths a year in the US alone. Do you think you can find more than even say 100 examples of firearms in the hands of citizens saving lives? Of course not.

Let me head you off at the pass before you bring up deaths caused by automobile accidents and just remind you again that one thing has nothing to do with the other.

Finally, I'm not actually advocating for any more gun control in the United States. You have a culture of guns there, for better or for worse, and it is what it is. I'd just like you to be honest about the facts though. Your gun deaths per capita puts you closer to being on par with African nations than it does most developed Western Nations.

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Quagmire

Yeah, it is truly a sad state of affairs. I am not all about the 'touchy feely' solution to the crime problem where everyone just needs a hug, but how do you punish the poor when they have nothing but their freedom to take away?

Throwing everyone in cells certainly isn't the answer and more effort needs to be put in to programs. It is just too bad that the government manages to spend insane amounts on worthless studies that end up telling us nothing and solving nothing.

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Vendzilla

To me, a gun is a tool, people die all the time from accidents from tools. They handle them in a stupid way and they die, I have no remorse.
I grew up with guns, never an issue because like all tools, I was trained in how to use them, I trained my daughter and she has a carry permit. I have guns that are over 100 years old, I can hunt, shoot and self protect. It's my right and one I cherish.
My daughter grew up in a house that had many guns in it, she visited her grandma that had even more guns. And her grandfather has more guns than that. Yet no one got hurt, because we handle them responsibly

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

WarChild

Hey, like I said I'm not even advocating for you to lose your right to own guns. It's interwoven in US culture right from the very foundation documents. Who knows, it is even possible that sometime in the future the people will have had enough and even rise up to put the goverment back in its place with those very same guns. Wouldn't that be something?

I think it's important to be honest though. United State's citizens, in general, are not MORE safe because of their culture of gun ownership. They are in fact LESS safe. It's simple to see. Well, unless of course there's that revolt thing I mentioned. In which case ... Viva la revolucion!

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Vendzilla

Many people thing thats a very good point, is in case we need a revolution.
Most accidents that happen are from homes that don't practice safe gun procedures, they load them and throw them in a drawer with their socks and forget about it, then their kid gets in there and boom.
Then someone that has never fired a gun gets the parents in front of the TV cameras advocating gun control when it's the parents that should go to jail for being idiots and causeing the death of the kids.

At 12 years old, my daughter was shooting a M1 carbine and was a very good shot. She's out of the navy now and going to school in Washington state. They have pretty good laws there for guns so I gave her my S&W 40 for protection.
As her parent, I will always feel better if in some way I can help in protecting her, like any good parent should feel!!

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

WarChild

More scary statistics:

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Amputate Your Head

Bring on the guns and the Budweiser! Yeeeeeeeehah!

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Vendzilla

Stats really don't have anything to do with it. If someone is going to kill them selves, there are other ways. You know how easy it is to get a bottle of pain pills.
Personally, If I was going out like that, high speed chase comes to mind! LOL

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

Yeah, seen too much of that. When I went hunting as a kid, we hunted in the morning and the drinking by the adults was done in the evening.
As an adult, I would never drink and go shooting. I wouldn't use a chain saw either

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

grumpy

my daughter is just doing fine without a gun.

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Agent 488

america needs more guns not less. the armed citizen may be the last wall of defence against barack hitler.

Amputate Your Head

so is mine.

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Vendzilla

So you don't feel like you want to protect her? It's more than guns.

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think about that

dyna mo

he's already said here that he wouldn't even call the police if she were kidnapped.

Amputate Your Head

i don't speak for grumpy, but my daughter is a grown woman, and capable of taking care of herself.

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grumpy

thats the reply only a idiot can give

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Vendzilla

When in Rome

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think about that

papill0n

you must live in one helluva shithole man if your 12y0 daughter needs to be carrying a firearm. where we talking here? Gaza strip ? Mogadishu ?

Vendzilla

No, I live in an area where you can leave your keys in the car to get out and get a beer at the store and your car will still be there when you get back.
I just started training her with firearms at an early age so that she wouldn't do anything stupid with firearms in our home. If more people did that, less kids would die from shooting themselves

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

PR_Glen

I think there are more than two sides with this issue... not everyone who believes that they should have the right to own a gun in their home believes that EVERYONE should have one.

I'd say most gun owners are completely content with others who choose not to take up arms to defend their homes, they just don't want those same people to decide for them whether they should be able to or not. Guns don't deter crime.. never have never will no matter if there are none or everyone is armed, but if you know how to shoot, and shoot responsibly it can definitely protect you, there is no question about that.

If you shoot to kill anyone coming on your property? No warning, either verbally or shooting in the air first? You should be locked up, robbery or not you are a murderer and need to be taken away from the general public. Finding an excuse to kill someone is psychopathic behavior, defending your life or the life of others is not.

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