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Kiopa_Matt · 01-31-2011, 03:40 PM

Why does every mainstream marketing landing page look EXACTLY the same? I guess the same goes for the majority within the porn industry as well. Really, it's always some unrealistic stock images with suitcases of cash, people throwing money around, mansions, luxury cars, or whatever. Then white background, large, bold blue & red text (sometimes green!), page is always centered, they all have lead capture forms to get a free gift, and they ALWAYS put about 15 pages of text on one web page (that's very annoying -- learn some organizational skills if you want to sell me on something).

Then you visit mainstream marketing forums, and you constantly see people complaining, "Well geez, I just don't understand, why aren't I rich yet? I'm doing everything right! I have found a ClickBank product to sell, have my Aweber account, some crappy & long-winded sales page with photos of cash, and an opt-in list. I followed everything that $7 eBook told me too, but I'm just not making any money! What am I doing wrong?"

FlexxAeon · 01-31-2011, 03:50 PM

seems like going 'mainstream' requires selling & reselling the same dream....

Fat Panda · 01-31-2011, 03:52 PM

gotta love SPAM

DVTimes · 01-31-2011, 03:53 PM

Nice spam for a load of junk.

CYF · 01-31-2011, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Why does every mainstream marketing landing page look EXACTLY the same? I guess the same goes for the majority within the porn industry as well. Really, it's always some unrealistic stock images with suitcases of cash, people throwing money around, mansions, luxury cars, or whatever. Then white background, large, bold blue & red text (sometimes green!), page is always centered, they all have lead capture forms to get a free gift, and they ALWAYS put about 15 pages of text on one web page (that's very annoying -- learn some organizational skills if you want to sell me on something).

Then you visit mainstream marketing forums, and you constantly see people complaining, "Well geez, I just don't understand, why aren't I rich yet? I'm doing everything right! I have found a ClickBank product to sell, have my Aweber account, some crappy & long-winded sales page with photos of cash, and an opt-in list. I followed everything that $7 eBook told me too, but I'm just not making any money! What am I doing wrong?"

Because it works. Coming from mainstream, it seems like all the porn landing sites all look really similar too

harvey · 01-31-2011, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Why does every mainstream marketing landing page look EXACTLY the same? I guess the same goes for the majority within the porn industry as well. Really, it's always some unrealistic stock images with suitcases of cash, people throwing money around, mansions, luxury cars, or whatever. Then white background, large, bold blue & red text (sometimes green!), page is always centered, they all have lead capture forms to get a free gift, and they ALWAYS put about 15 pages of text on one web page (that's very annoying -- learn some organizational skills if you want to sell me on something).

Then you visit mainstream marketing forums, and you constantly see people complaining, "Well geez, I just don't understand, why aren't I rich yet? I'm doing everything right! I have found a ClickBank product to sell, have my Aweber account, some crappy & long-winded sales page with photos of cash, and an opt-in list. I followed everything that $7 eBook told me too, but I'm just not making any money! What am I doing wrong?"

Because at some point it was exactly what was needed, there's a well thought marketing procedure behind that with lots of psychological techniques supporting it and as retarded/ugly/whatever it may look, it worked. Then the copycats tried to do the same and failed miserably while making the good ones fail by over-flooding the web with the same apparent marketing research, only that without the thinking process behind it. A clear example is the OP's site, he/she tried to copy what he/she thought would work and made all the newbie mistakes that shows he/she has not a fucking idea about the subject. Probably just copying pasting some freely available info in a .doc or .pdf and that's it.

Sorry to the OP to break your spam, but seeing how you failed on your own site, I call things like they're

lauralace · 01-31-2011, 04:45 PM

I hate the cookie cutter sales page myself, but I'm not my target audience

There is a reason why sites like this continue to convert at 1:25 or so.

When you want to sell mainstream, you have to recognize that the strategy and tactics we used in adult simply do NOT work for mainstream buyers.

Getting traffic is 1000% different, content that works is different. People actually read mainstream sites rather than just look at pictures.

There really is a reason why mainstream converts at 1:25 or so while adult doesn't even come close anymore.

The method I provide DOES work. Not just for me any times over, but for all of my students so far. I do welcome any actual reviews that say otherwise however.

HomerSimpson · 01-31-2011, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

seems like going 'mainstream' requires selling & reselling the same dream....

exactly...

and usually there's no real product...

lauralace · 01-31-2011, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

exactly...

and usually there's no real product...

That is true in many cases. But is there any real difference between selling an adult membership where they see the same pictures they could have gotten for free had they searched hard enough and selling an ebook that lays out a step by step method for improving your golf swing or better parenting?

In these days of digital technology, people seem to prefer ebooks to hard copy which is why the conversions rates are so awesome.

That said, my method will work for digital products as well as physical ones.

Young · 01-31-2011, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lauralace

I hate the cookie cutter sales page myself, but I'm not my target audience

So are the webmasters of GFY your "target audience"?

Not sure what the purpose of spamming GFY with this crap is. You don't have an actual product to sell and you're not looking for affiliates. So why push that Warriors Forum crap here?

lauralace · 01-31-2011, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young

So are the webmasters of GFY your "target audience"?

Not sure what the purpose of spamming GFY with this crap is. You don't have an actual product to sell and you're not looking for affiliates. So why push that Warriors Forum crap here?

Yes adult webmasters are the target audience which is why I've posted on adult forums I belong to. Unlike many of you, I've only been in adult a few years but I've been in mainstream for over 15 years and the differences in approach are so vastly different I decided it was a good idea to share them

Since my best conversion rate in adult is 1:1000 and my average mainstream conversion rate is 1:25 I thought there might well be other adult webmasters interested in diving in and making the attempt to succeed in mainstream.

This is an actual book, with a tried and tested method, charts, info, and even hand holding if needed, that WILL get you jump started making money in mainstream if you follow it.

gaffg · 01-31-2011, 05:15 PM

you are hitting the sales a little too hard

lauralace · 01-31-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gaffg

you are hitting the sales a little too hard

You're probably right hehe. It's just so exciting releasing your own product after being just an affiliate marketer for 15 years. I've spent 8 months writing and testing this thing and now I'm anxious to share it lol.

Thanks for the advice though

I'll let it sit awhile and see how it goes!

itto · 01-31-2011, 05:24 PM

mainstream marketing basic tip #1: if you post a banner somewhere, link it to your site.

Agent 488 · 01-31-2011, 05:36 PM

people are downloading it off my hotfile so there is a demand.

FlexxAeon · 01-31-2011, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lauralace

That is true in many cases. But is there any real difference between selling an adult membership where they see the same pictures they could have gotten for free had they searched hard enough and selling an ebook that lays out a step by step method for improving your golf swing or better parenting?

i see your point.

i just registered ebooktube.com

itto · 01-31-2011, 05:39 PM

mainstream marketing basic tip #2: the money's in the list.. give away your ebook for free and then create a strong sales funnel for your $xx/month membership site.

Vjo · 01-31-2011, 05:40 PM

So this is just another get rich quick if you buy my book. I actually thought you were going to educate us.

Silly me. Were not used to fellow members trying to pitch us books around here. I thougyht you were a kind philanthropist who wanted to hold hands and help us learn.

Interesting use of colors on your page made this thread worth reading tho.

Red text on a white page with a little blue accent. Aha! I have the secret now. Actually that does look like it would work. Mainstream pages must look patriotic and apple pie. Red, white and blue.

When I see a page like that I run for the hills so I doubt this pond of fish will bite much.

lauralace · 01-31-2011, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itto

mainstream marketing basic tip #1: if you post a banner somewhere, link it to your site.

or do what I did and link it right above the banner. So many people are banner blind these days that text links work much better than banner links

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo

So this is just another get rich quick if you buy my book.

Nah, unfortunately I don't know of any get rich quick methods that actually work. My method requires work and commitment and time.

But if you know of any for real quick methods I'd love to hear them!

and I live in Canada, so patriotic for me is maple leaf red :D

Vjo · 01-31-2011, 06:01 PM

Actually pages like that look like scams to anyone with a brain. They look like the 2011 online version of infomercials. Selling is about content and white happens to be a good color.

Still I concede that prob catches the most suckers. Because selling books online with a "page" in 2011 is about catching suckers.

Hey, whatever works. And I concede it works. But it is a bit tacky to come off as going to help then charge wm's $19.95.

And fuck your newsletter. Puhleese Billy.

Vjo · 01-31-2011, 06:26 PM

Actually in all fairness to Laura I did snow removal AGAIN

took a nap, got some "annies" stuck in my esophagous, couldnt sleep, went to GFY and Laura's was the first thread I read.

I was ready to learn from this nice girl named Laura.

Then I realized I was only another of her many bitches on chatboards all over the internet.

No offense and good luck. It's all about making $$ but not from wms. Isnt that an unwritten rule.

Think I'll go read more threads.

signupdamnit · 01-31-2011, 06:27 PM

I don't have anything personal against you but these posts always make me cynical. If you were doing great in mainstream you wouldn't be here trying to pitch an online book to a handful of adult webmasters for a petty $20. You'd be out making more money with your time. You wouldn't be giving out secrets to hungry potential competitors looking to make an exit from a struggling industry.

Vjo · 01-31-2011, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lauralace

and I live in Canada

All that matters is red white and blue. That is where the commerce is.

Yet, (not you) but everyone else around here is always bashing dumb Americans but then creating 100 threads on alt billers so they can get their money from the USA.

WHO has the commerce. WHO has the $$ you want. Who could of OWNED the world but didnt in 1946.

I'm still cranky. Snow will do that to you. No offense. You know I luv yas.

Does anyone edit more than me. lol "Damn it Jim, this is a chatboard not a pinball machine"

Star Date 5645-h Log 459rt_Laura

"Kirk here,

Working with a futuristic spammer named Laura. She seems very knowledgable.

Kirk out"

Agent 488 · 01-31-2011, 06:43 PM

a large market in mainstream is selling the dream to webmasters.

adapt or die.

Phoenix · 01-31-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

a large market in mainstream is selling the dream to webmasters.

adapt or die.

so true..it is all you see people doing it seems

Vjo · 01-31-2011, 07:11 PM

Anyhow "she" lauralace got us (or at least me) to hang out here and f off for an hour.

If her member name was "BrucePills" I prob wouldnt have posted.

We are all being "worked" to a degree just being on this board. Psychology all over the place. Kind of interesting.

Young · 01-31-2011, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

a large market in mainstream is selling the dream to webmasters.

adapt or die.

Over-saturated ... to death even.

It's a good way to make a living if you feel like circle jerking on WF.

Kiopa_Matt · 01-31-2011, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey

Because at some point it was exactly what was needed, there's a well thought marketing procedure behind that with lots of psychological techniques supporting it and as retarded/ugly/whatever it may look, it worked. Then the copycats tried to do the same and failed miserably while making the good ones fail by over-flooding the web with the same apparent marketing research, only that without the thinking process behind it. A clear example is the OP's site, he/she tried to copy what he/she thought would work and made all the newbie mistakes that shows he/she has not a fucking idea about the subject. Probably just copying pasting some freely available info in a .doc or .pdf and that's it.

I see your point, but that methodology is a little outdated, don't you think? It's like Sony sticking with good ole' fashioned black & white TVs, then getting all flustered as to why their sales are down.

lauralace · 01-31-2011, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo

Actually pages like that look like scams to anyone with a brain. They look like the 2011 online version of infomercials. Selling is about content and white happens to be a good color.

Yeah, I never read them, always scroll to the bottom for the summary lol. But it's been shown again and again they work so who am I to ignore a good thing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo

No offense and good luck. It's all about making $$ but not from wms. Isnt that an unwritten rule.

Absolutely

That's why I'm only trying to recoup my expenses from the web design and advertising. GFY isn't cheap ya know

I'm not going to be one of those assholes charging 100 bucks for an ebook when it only cost 1k to make

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You wouldn't be giving out secrets to hungry potential competitors looking to make an exit from a struggling industry.

There are billions upon billions of dollars to be made in mainstream. Unless you're silly enough to go for bad keywords like 'lose weight' or 'work at home' competition is hard to find

The fact is, you don't need my book to succeed in mainstream. All I've done is take my years of experience, cut out what didn't work well, write down what did, lay out how to do link wheels and keyword research and get traffic and put it all in one place. Then I went to a small adult forum and put the method up for free to make sure others could do what I did and succeed.

Lots of people wont be willing to spend 20 bucks to get all that info when they can just spend 15-20 hours doing all the research themselves, plus however long it takes them to commit that research to memory. And that is fine.

Others will decide that their time is worth more and grab the book. Either way it's win-win

CPA37710T · 01-31-2011, 09:54 PM

If you were really succesful on mainstream marketing, you wouldn't be advertising this at all on a forum, you would just keep the secret for yourself and you wouldnt be doing this

no offense, but instead of selling something in here like that, apply your knowledge in your own business

martinsc · 01-31-2011, 10:01 PM

$5 submissions · 01-31-2011, 10:03 PM

Where is the 800 number so I can order?

(wink)

Sausage · 01-31-2011, 11:58 PM

A lot of people are confused when going from adult where traffic is easy to generate into mainstream where it isn't so easy. Sure the ratios are nothing short of amazing... but it can be hard to figure out where to start.

If lauralace has thrown the info together into a nice package then all good for her for selling it. I would rather pay a few bucks for the info rather than having to scan a ton of boards for it and having to wade through all the misinformation out there.

Lamis · 02-01-2011, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Why does every mainstream marketing landing page look EXACTLY the same? I guess the same goes for the majority within the porn industry as well. Really, it's always some unrealistic stock images with suitcases of cash, people throwing money around, mansions, luxury cars, or whatever. Then white background, large, bold blue & red text (sometimes green!), page is always centered, they all have lead capture forms to get a free gift, and they ALWAYS put about 15 pages of text on one web page (that's very annoying -- learn some organizational skills if you want to sell me on something).

Then you visit mainstream marketing forums, and you constantly see people complaining, "Well geez, I just don't understand, why aren't I rich yet? I'm doing everything right! I have found a ClickBank product to sell, have my Aweber account, some crappy & long-winded sales page with photos of cash, and an opt-in list. I followed everything that $7 eBook told me too, but I'm just not making any money! What am I doing wrong?"

That's true.

But you need to identify between doing money with mainstream and buying false scam promises...

The same happens with FOREX. You can learn to trade forex on your own and with all the informations, the serious way.

or you can buy one of those SCAM robots in clickbank.

lauralace · 02-01-2011, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPA37710T

If you were really succesful on mainstream marketing, you wouldn't be advertising this at all on a forum, you would just keep the secret for yourself and you wouldnt be doing this

no offense, but instead of selling something in here like that, apply your knowledge in your own business

Actually, I outsource nearly all of my mainstream business. Now that I've finished writing the book, all I really do is marketing (which is fun) and playing video games (also fun). Spending some time on this forum was a nice change from world of warcraft

As I said, all my book does is put what works all in one place so that a new mainstream webmaster doesn't have to spend 20 hours tracking it all down and figuring it out for weeks or months of trial and error.

While I do teach you how to look for micro niches and to think outside the box to avoid saturated markets, since there are millions of niches and billions of dollars to be made, there isn't any competition. But that is also one of the biggest differences between adult and mainstream

Very little competition once you know what you're doing!

lauralace · 02-01-2011, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sausage

A lot of people are confused when going from adult where traffic is easy to generate into mainstream where it isn't so easy. Sure the ratios are nothing short of amazing... but it can be hard to figure out where to start.

If lauralace has thrown the info together into a nice package then all good for her for selling it. I would rather pay a few bucks for the info rather than having to scan a ton of boards for it and having to wade through all the misinformation out there.

That is the point of the book

To have what works all in one place!

TheDoc · 02-01-2011, 03:17 PM

Assuming the info isn't just another set overview articles, it's not badly priced.

For those of you that think those style of landing pages don't cut it.... split test them. You see this style because they work - far better than traditional styles, to such an extreme that when these landing pages fail, they still out perform the traditional styles, making it worth doing even if it sucks.

woj · 02-01-2011, 03:50 PM

lets see some pics of you holding some checks you made in mainstream...

atom · 02-01-2011, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sausage

A lot of people are confused when going from adult where traffic is easy to generate into mainstream where it isn't so easy. Sure the ratios are nothing short of amazing... but it can be hard to figure out where to start.

If lauralace has thrown the info together into a nice package then all good for her for selling it. I would rather pay a few bucks for the info rather than having to scan a ton of boards for it and having to wade through all the misinformation out there.

I agree 100%. Personally, making the transition from adult was tough. There are very few similarities between the 2 as far as traffic generation, site layouts, etc etc.

Once I started I spent months wading through bullshit info, trial and error, finding out what really worked and what was a complete waste of time. If 20 bucks were to save someone even 10 hours of time to give them a direction to hit the ground running, it would be worth it.

$5 submissions · 02-01-2011, 04:03 PM

Great thread, diversify your income

carzygirls · 02-01-2011, 04:42 PM

Is their also a recommendation on which merchant account providers to use and which to not?
Would have saved me $600 when I started mainstream.

Here is free info:
Don't use charge.com or cybersource.com. Do not use authorize.net who is also cybersource.com
Anybody who wants a good recommendation and knows how to get a hold of me can ;) That information I will provide for free and maybe the favor is returned one day

Oracle Porn · 02-01-2011, 04:57 PM

I'll take a review copy and promise to report back
icq is in sig or email me @ my nick name no spaces dot com

alias · 02-01-2011, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzygirls

Is their also a recommendation on which merchant account providers to use and which to not?
Would have saved me $600 when I started mainstream.

Here is free info:
Don't use charge.com or cybersource.com. Do not use authorize.net who is also cybersource.com
Anybody who wants a good recommendation and knows how to get a hold of me can ;) That information I will provide for free and maybe the favor is returned one day

Most people should probably use their local bank and a reputable gateway for hard goods.

Buzz · 02-01-2011, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Why does every mainstream marketing landing page look EXACTLY the same? I guess the same goes for the majority within the porn industry as well. Really, it's always some unrealistic stock images with suitcases of cash, people throwing money around, mansions, luxury cars, or whatever. Then white background, large, bold blue & red text (sometimes green!), page is always centered, they all have lead capture forms to get a free gift, and they ALWAYS put about 15 pages of text on one web page (that's very annoying -- learn some organizational skills if you want to sell me on something).

Then you visit mainstream marketing forums, and you constantly see people complaining, "Well geez, I just don't understand, why aren't I rich yet? I'm doing everything right! I have found a ClickBank product to sell, have my Aweber account, some crappy & long-winded sales page with photos of cash, and an opt-in list. I followed everything that $7 eBook told me too, but I'm just not making any money! What am I doing wrong?"

exactly my thought's when I've opened the link... well, not that extencive, but you've got the idea

lauralace · 02-01-2011, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

For those of you that think those style of landing pages don't cut it.... split test them. You see this style because they work - far better than traditional styles, to such an extreme that when these landing pages fail, they still out perform the traditional styles, making it worth doing even if it sucks.

Exactly.

lauralace · 02-02-2011, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom

I agree 100%. Personally, making the transition from adult was tough. There are very few similarities between the 2 as far as traffic generation, site layouts, etc etc.

Once I started I spent months wading through bullshit info, trial and error, finding out what really worked and what was a complete waste of time.

Yeah I've seen it again and again with people on other adult forums attempting to get into mainstream and having a hard go of it. The questions are always the same so I figured why not put it all in one place, make it easier for everyone

ristac · 02-06-2011, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom

I agree 100%. Personally, making the transition from adult was tough. There are very few similarities between the 2 as far as traffic generation, site layouts, etc etc.

Once I started I spent months wading through bullshit info, trial and error, finding out what really worked and what was a complete waste of time. If 20 bucks were to save someone even 10 hours of time to give them a direction to hit the ground running, it would be worth it.

+1

I have been a lurker here for a while but finally sent the email off to activate my account so I could post in this thread. I make a decent living from adult, not as great a living as I was 18 months ago so I started to dabble in mainstream in case things get worse.

I thought if you can do adult mainstream will be a breeze. After three months I started to see that it wasn't going to be the same, far from it.

lauralace ran a mainstream project at another forum where I am a member and I followed it to the letter to the end. I saw a big difference, I haven't seen the book but once I have done the rinse and repeat a few times I will purchase it.

If you haven't yet tried to make the switch from adult to mainstream don't knock it, my bet is it won't be anywhere near as easy as you will assume ;)

CaptainHowdy · 02-06-2011, 05:32 PM

You don't look healthy, Laura...

wehateporn · 02-06-2011, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

seems like going 'mainstream' requires selling & reselling the same dream....

Hit the Nail on the head

I actually like the way this guy explains things, but I find it hard to believe he would bother with this blog if he was really making as much with other projects as he claims http://www.smartpassiveincome.com/

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lauralace Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 138	I hate the cookie cutter sales page myself, but I'm not my target audience There is a reason why sites like this continue to convert at 1:25 or so. When you want to sell mainstream, you have to recognize that the strategy and tactics we used in adult simply do NOT work for mainstream buyers. Getting traffic is 1000% different, content that works is different. People actually read mainstream sites rather than just look at pictures. There really is a reason why mainstream converts at 1:25 or so while adult doesn't even come close anymore. The method I provide DOES work. Not just for me any times over, but for all of my students so far. I do welcome any actual reviews that say otherwise however. __________________ There are many differences between adult and mainstream. Learn how to make Mainstream Marketing work for you! FREE Marketing Course! Home Income Last edited by lauralace; 01-31-2011 at 04:47 PM..

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Kiopa_Matt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,448	Why does every mainstream marketing landing page look EXACTLY the same? I guess the same goes for the majority within the porn industry as well. Really, it's always some unrealistic stock images with suitcases of cash, people throwing money around, mansions, luxury cars, or whatever. Then white background, large, bold blue & red text (sometimes green!), page is always centered, they all have lead capture forms to get a free gift, and they ALWAYS put about 15 pages of text on one web page (that's very annoying -- learn some organizational skills if you want to sell me on something). Then you visit mainstream marketing forums, and you constantly see people complaining, "Well geez, I just don't understand, why aren't I rich yet? I'm doing everything right! I have found a ClickBank product to sell, have my Aweber account, some crappy & long-winded sales page with photos of cash, and an opt-in list. I followed everything that $7 eBook told me too, but I'm just not making any money! What am I doing wrong?" __________________ xMarkPro -- Ultimate Blog Network Management Streamline your marketing operations. Centralize management of domains, pages, Wordpress blogs, sponsors, link codes, media items, sales and traffic statistics, plus more! Last edited by Kiopa_Matt; 01-31-2011 at 03:43 PM..

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01-31-2011, 05:39 PM	#18
itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	mainstream marketing basic tip #2: the money's in the list.. give away your ebook for free and then create a strong sales funnel for your $xx/month membership site. __________________

01-31-2011, 05:40 PM	#19
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	So this is just another get rich quick if you buy my book. I actually thought you were going to educate us. Silly me. Were not used to fellow members trying to pitch us books around here. I thougyht you were a kind philanthropist who wanted to hold hands and help us learn. Interesting use of colors on your page made this thread worth reading tho. Red text on a white page with a little blue accent. Aha! I have the secret now. Actually that does look like it would work. Mainstream pages must look patriotic and apple pie. Red, white and blue. When I see a page like that I run for the hills so I doubt this pond of fish will bite much.

01-31-2011, 06:01 PM	#21
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	Actually pages like that look like scams to anyone with a brain. They look like the 2011 online version of infomercials. Selling is about content and white happens to be a good color. Still I concede that prob catches the most suckers. Because selling books online with a "page" in 2011 is about catching suckers. Hey, whatever works. And I concede it works. But it is a bit tacky to come off as going to help then charge wm's $19.95. And fuck your newsletter. Puhleese Billy. Last edited by Vjo; 01-31-2011 at 06:10 PM..

01-31-2011, 06:26 PM	#22
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	Actually in all fairness to Laura I did snow removal AGAIN took a nap, got some "annies" stuck in my esophagous, couldnt sleep, went to GFY and Laura's was the first thread I read. I was ready to learn from this nice girl named Laura. Then I realized I was only another of her many bitches on chatboards all over the internet. No offense and good luck. It's all about making $$ but not from wms. Isnt that an unwritten rule. Think I'll go read more threads. Last edited by Vjo; 01-31-2011 at 06:27 PM..

01-31-2011, 06:27 PM	#23
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	I don't have anything personal against you but these posts always make me cynical. If you were doing great in mainstream you wouldn't be here trying to pitch an online book to a handful of adult webmasters for a petty $20. You'd be out making more money with your time. You wouldn't be giving out secrets to hungry potential competitors looking to make an exit from a struggling industry.

01-31-2011, 06:43 PM	#25
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	a large market in mainstream is selling the dream to webmasters. adapt or die.

01-31-2011, 07:11 PM	#27
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	Anyhow "she" lauralace got us (or at least me) to hang out here and f off for an hour. If her member name was "BrucePills" I prob wouldnt have posted. We are all being "worked" to a degree just being on this board. Psychology all over the place. Kind of interesting.

01-31-2011, 09:54 PM	#31
CPA37710T business ready hit me up! Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Nearby Posts: 1,115	If you were really succesful on mainstream marketing, you wouldn't be advertising this at all on a forum, you would just keep the secret for yourself and you wouldnt be doing this no offense, but instead of selling something in here like that, apply your knowledge in your own business

01-31-2011, 10:01 PM	#32
martinsc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 27,047	__________________ Make Money

01-31-2011, 10:03 PM	#33
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Where is the 800 number so I can order? (wink) __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

01-31-2011, 11:58 PM	#34
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	A lot of people are confused when going from adult where traffic is easy to generate into mainstream where it isn't so easy. Sure the ratios are nothing short of amazing... but it can be hard to figure out where to start. If lauralace has thrown the info together into a nice package then all good for her for selling it. I would rather pay a few bucks for the info rather than having to scan a ton of boards for it and having to wade through all the misinformation out there. __________________ IW Skype : blance8888 Icq : 15567120

02-01-2011, 03:17 PM	#38
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Assuming the info isn't just another set overview articles, it's not badly priced. For those of you that think those style of landing pages don't cut it.... split test them. You see this style because they work - far better than traditional styles, to such an extreme that when these landing pages fail, they still out perform the traditional styles, making it worth doing even if it sucks. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-01-2011, 03:50 PM	#39
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	lets see some pics of you holding some checks you made in mainstream... __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

02-01-2011, 04:03 PM	#41
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Great thread, diversify your income __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

02-01-2011, 04:42 PM	#42
carzygirls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 857	Is their also a recommendation on which merchant account providers to use and which to not? Would have saved me $600 when I started mainstream. Here is free info: Don't use charge.com or cybersource.com. Do not use authorize.net who is also cybersource.com Anybody who wants a good recommendation and knows how to get a hold of me can ;) That information I will provide for free and maybe the favor is returned one day

02-01-2011, 04:57 PM	#43
Oracle Porn Affiliate Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Icq: 94-399-723 Posts: 24,433	I'll take a review copy and promise to report back icq is in sig or email me @ my nick name no spaces dot com __________________

02-06-2011, 05:32 PM	#49
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,190	You don't look healthy, Laura... __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!