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Old 05-09-2011, 06:30 PM   #51
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Old 05-09-2011, 06:36 PM   #53
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You don't understand why people might leave a job for a better position? Not every company is as progressive as topbucks or has the money behind them that topbucks does. Also, since when do you own topbucks?
she doesn't. she's a yappy, board whore. she knows it all, yet still knows absolutely nothing.
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Old 05-09-2011, 06:51 PM   #56
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We've worked together and no issues I'm just passing along sediments of what I've heard from several others that have been around this industry for 6plus years.
sentiments rocket scientist.
don't let the skirt get you all riled up, it's pretty common knowledge around the biz how annoying her know it all attitude is on the boards.
don't let it bother you know. everyone thinks what you wrote any how.
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Ding! Ding! Ding!

I start my affiliate guys at $22k plus commission. If you have experience, good contacts, good rep we will always work with the person to find a happy salary for both parties. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

We also provide health, dental and vision insurance, 401k, FSA, Vacation/PTO, and iPads.

Commission is $1 per join with a monthly quota of 500 sales. My guys blow this out of the water, so there is still plenty of money to be made as a rep.

That's why I never got the constant job jumping, Sly and Nadya have been with us for four years and I don't think plan on leaving any time soon. I hope not at least.
Any rep that can bring in 500+ sales a month ( GAY ) I will give you a big raise from topbucks. Hit me up
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:06 PM   #58
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Well you mentioned when you start "your" affiliate guys. Would that be not kevins employees?

Lighten up Captain Emo. She might just be the affiliate managers manager who is in charge of them...
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Any rep that can bring in 500+ sales a month ( GAY ) I will give you a big raise from topbucks. Hit me up
im with you on that
topbucks has gay sites? I didnt even know about that
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:57 PM   #61
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topbucks has gay sites? I didnt even know about that
Yeah, we worked with another person at hahaha get the gay xsales setup back in the LB days.

Barebacked, don't steal Sly, but he has one WM who does 20 gay sales/day, mobile though.
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:58 PM   #62
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Yeah, we worked with another person at hahaha to get the gay sales setup back in the LB days.

Barebacked, don't steal Sly, but he has one WM who does 20 gay sales/day, mobile though.
Sly is a good man, used to be on board with us as well
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sentiments rocket scientist.
don't let the skirt get you all riled up, it's pretty common knowledge around the biz how annoying her know it all attitude is on the boards.
don't let it bother you know. everyone thinks what you wrote any how.
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You probably have no idea.... collegefuckfest rebills are like.... uhmmm the best?
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You probably have no idea.... collegefuckfest rebills are like.... uhmmm the best?
i have plenty of ideas and you are definitely not in any of them.
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Bryan, I think it's quite obvious Kristin's comments were directed at those who change rep job every 3 months like clockwork; I can't see why you'd even remotely be offended and so defensive unless you're insecure...

Here is my (generalized) breakdown on why reps change companies (breakdown doesn't include reps who keep their jobs long-term):

75% - Hired based on promises of affiliates/sales/rolodex they bring with them. Fail to deliver. Moves on to the next company who buys their "hard sell". Rinse and repeat.

10% - Can deliver, but are loyal only to the almighty dollar and will move along for a few extra bucks. Often backfires on them when leaving a stable company, for a fly-by-night operation throwing cash around.

5% - Company folds, usually not directly related to rep's performance but due to mismanagement and overall short-sighted business sense.

5% - Decide to start their own company/venture. Some succeed, most fail. After failure, they are back to begging for a rep job.

3% - Deliver, but are not kept happy where they are. Differences in company vision, conflict with ownership, failure of management to get stuff done rep requires to do his job, lack of growth, no support/tools/conversions, etc...

2% - Other.

Seriously, if the first kind of people sold their product a tenth as well as they sell themselves when seeking a new job, they would all be rich
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Small base salary ( 12k-24k a year ) plus a %

I personally enjoy a flat out %
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Having ran entire teams, departments, and subsidiaries I'm with Kristin when I say my employees have always been MY employees- even before I was the one signing the checks.

Just because someone doesn't run the entire show doesn't mean that person isn't somebody's boss. My guys are my guys, always. They perform to my satisfaction and it's my job to keep the machine well oiled, running smoothly and profitably to my employer's satisfaction. I keep them in line, keep them motivated and make sure their needs are met. If you don't feel a sense of ownership over your team in my opinion you can't be a good leader- their success is your success, their failure is your failure.

That said, I also feel where Bryan is coming from on one's company longevity. There are alot of factors that come into play when it comes down to it that are out of an affiliate manager's contol. Especially in this economic landscape longevity with a company isn't always possible. Alot of companies have closed their doors or gone through major management changes, ownership changes, mergers, downsizing, etc.

Having a long track record with one company is awesome, but especially these days it's more of a luxury than an accomplishment. Not to take that away from anyone- because having a long history with one company certainly is awesome and does say good things about both the employee and the employer- but when looking at an individual a solid track record with one employer isn't as big of a factor in an employees track record overall.
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Kristin and others: how does a company go from $1 million in yearly gross revenue to the size of a TopBucks? When I think of how many sales/rebills you guys must require to keep 40 employees, etc etc etc my head spins.

Also Bryan: anyone's who's been around for years gets the benefit of being a "know-it-all" and "whore" is a dirty word (no offense to sex workers).
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Kristin and others: how does a company go from $1 million in yearly gross revenue to the size of a TopBucks? When I think of how many sales/rebills you guys must require to keep 40 employees, etc etc etc my head spins.
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Kristin and others: how does a company go from $1 million in yearly gross revenue to the size of a TopBucks? When I think of how many sales/rebills you guys must require to keep 40 employees, etc etc etc my head spins.

Also Bryan: anyone's who's been around for years gets the benefit of being a "know-it-all" and "whore" is a dirty word (no offense to sex workers).
I don't think it is about how many you are but how professional your team is. It is hard to find good and professional staff to work in adult, so when i find good one, i tease and tie him/her up with good payout. Our smallest salary in the company is $54k and biggest is $276k. I've converted most of the guys from mainstream good positions. You get what you pay for and you can run everything with 10 staff member than.
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Just take the average of dwreck's last 6 positions and that should give you a good idea.
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You don't understand why people might leave a job for a better position? Not every company is as progressive as topbucks or has the money behind them that topbucks does. Also, since when do you own topbucks?
Are we a little butthurt? Maybe just a little bit?
Isn't GTS Ads like the third company you represent in a year or so Bryan?
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Note that if you spell my name wrong in the email, you are automatically disqualified.
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No hard feelings but you come across sometimes that you're better than everyone else that basically does the same job as you. I did the same as you at PB. obviously PB went a different direction than TB did. You're right when you say TB is stable and that is exactly my point. You work for a company that is stable and extremely progressive. How many affiliate companies that were massive back in the day are still standing? We've worked together and no issues I'm just passing along sediments of what I've heard from several others that have been around this industry for 6plus years.
Well, I know for a fact that Kristin is good at what she does. I may not have been with TB for that long, but Kristin is great to work for/with.
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Kristin and others: how does a company go from $1 million in yearly gross revenue to the size of a TopBucks? When I think of how many sales/rebills you guys must require to keep 40 employees, etc etc etc my head spins.

Also Bryan: anyone's who's been around for years gets the benefit of being a "know-it-all" and "whore" is a dirty word (no offense to sex workers).
Find good, smart people and keep them happy. And of course all of your usual... good product, etc.

I think that too many employers underestimate the importance of having a team that "clicks" and ensuring that they continue to "click."
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Do people even call themselves affiliate reps or webmaster support anymore? It's become a job title like a janitor or a secretary--the job still exists we just call it something else. ;)

I haven't had any hold ups about the title myself. I still take pride in it. Dave treats all his employees, including me, extremely well and because of this we have a large staff that has many veterans who have been around for a long time.

Dave doesn't claim ownership of anyone, he has never needed to. Leadership is only obtained by people who are willing to get their hands dirty not by claiming them. If you just walk around and point fingers and lurk over shoulders all day your people wont respect you, no matter what your title is. Dave is knee deep in it with the rest of us and is respected around here because of it--Phil too.
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Perhaps consider a marketing director that can manage affiliates and do promotions and internal marketing for 'typein' sales that help sustain your company. They don't come cheap but having someone with both technical and marketing skills comes in pretty handy. Be aware though, not all marketers are "sales people" so you really need to consider what you want - a front person or a someone who can build a solid foundation that doesn't just only rely on affiliates for joins, such as by building up commission free traffic sources and support affiliates as needed and do the usual PR stuff. Marketing directors do not usually take a commission but require a higher base salary. Good luck.
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Dave doesn't claim ownership of anyone, he has never needed to. Leadership is only obtained by people who are willing to get their hands dirty not by claiming them. If you just walk around and point fingers and lurk over shoulders all day your people wont respect you, no matter what your title is. Dave is knee deep in it with the rest of us and is respected around here because of it--Phil too.
If this is in response to my comments I think you're looking at it in a way other than how I meant it. It's not really about ownership the way your looking at it but more about onus. Not about owning a person, it's about owning responsibility.

My team is my team, no matter where I am or who I work for, myself or someone else. I treat them the way I would want to be treated, I never throw them under the bus and I make sure their needs are met before my own. Everyone who works for me now worked for me before somewhere else, if I wasn't good at what I do or if I didn't treat them right they wouldn't have left other companies to work for me.
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:51 AM   #91
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Perhaps consider a marketing director that can manage affiliates and do promotions and internal marketing for 'typein' sales that help sustain your company. They don't come cheap but having someone with both technical and marketing skills comes in pretty handy. Be aware though, not all marketers are "sales people" so you really need to consider what you want - a front person or a someone who can build a solid foundation that doesn't just only rely on affiliates for joins, such as by building up commission free traffic sources and support affiliates as needed and do the usual PR stuff. Marketing directors do not usually take a commission but require a higher base salary. Good luck.
Hello Cyndalie,

Stories traffic rings a bell.... Who started that back in the day? http://nats.storiestraffic.com/exter...contact&code=9 I went to the contact page to see if a name would ring a bell but nothing showed up.
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:31 AM   #93
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:31 AM   #94
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Just go bigger.
lol exactly. Im waiting for your email!


I always used to add the company name in front of the affiliates manager his/her name in icq. I stopped bothering as I got sick and tired of changing it.

Not many good reps in the biz left anymore imo, lots of "bla bla let me get back to you later bla bla". Im not missing the days 5 reps from the same company would hit me up with the same questions lol
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lol exactly. Im waiting for your email!


I always used to add the company name in front of the affiliates manager his/her name in icq. I stopped bothering as I got sick and tired of changing it.

Not many good reps in the biz left anymore imo, lots of "bla bla let me get back to you later bla bla". Im not missing the days 5 reps from the same company would hit me up with the same questions lol
Throughout my life in this industry I have always worked with 1 rep as much as possible as an affiliate. If a second or third person from the same company messaged me I'd say I was already working with "Blah" but thanks for getting in touch. I've been lucky that most companies I worked with over the years have been pretty steady. None more so than who I am employed with now, PimpRoll.

Glen is approaching 10 years here, I don't think there is someone in his position who has been at the same company as long. Nor will there be many who have brought to a company what he has to PimpRoll. Can't wait for his 10 year party!
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:42 AM   #96
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Kristin and others: how does a company go from $1 million in yearly gross revenue to the size of a TopBucks? When I think of how many sales/rebills you guys must require to keep 40 employees, etc etc etc my head spins.
We also have more overhead as a larger company. All the employee's insurance, bonuses, perks, hell our electricity bill can hit $10k/month sometimes. A few years ago we noticed we were still in the trend of just throwing money at things without evaluating where trimming back could be done. Little things helped, we made it mandatory to shut down computers at night, made a conscious effort to go more green, etc.

At one point we had five products and 140 employees that occupied to the max both buildings. We trimmed huge and canned all but the mobile and we are stronger since we narrowed our focus.

So if you are clearing a million each year with just a few employees, that's not bad. A bigger operation isn't always the best thing. I know TheDoc can't have employees.
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A few years ago we noticed we were still in the trend of just throwing money at things without evaluating where trimming back could be done. Little things helped, we made it mandatory to shut down computers at night, made a conscious effort to go more green, etc.
Less air conditioning, more flip flops.
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Less air conditioning, more flip flops.
Exactly why I sit around naked here at home all day working.

Pure bliss. And saves electricity!
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Find good, smart people and keep them happy. And of course all of your usual... good product, etc.

I think that too many employers underestimate the importance of having a team that "clicks" and ensuring that they continue to "click."

Well said. A team that clicks is a lot more productive and supportive than one that has drama and time is spent dealing with that drama. Yet like any relationship, you have to work at it on an ongoing basis from all ends.
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with a monthly quota of 500 sales
What does it mean - not more, or not less than 500?
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