Lamis

What part of this phrase you can't understand?

"You cannot sell something that is available for free"


Really strange, that some naive people keep wondering about thir ugly ratios..

Surfers have been taught to get porn for free, for the last 3 years..

What part is hard to understand?

And no, don't come here and say that you ratio is better than ever, with a banner on your sig.

digitaldivas

we are in a depression also, that doesn't help things, see above thread

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SmokeyTheBear

people don't come to gfy to ask about slowly declining sales over the last 3 years , they come to ask when ratios drop 1:2000 to 1:30000 in one period..

what is hard to understand ?

You can get tap water for free , thus nobody should ever buy water by the bottle..

oh wait...

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Ratios are the only thing I am NOT complaining about.

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SmokeyTheBear

water is free , people sell it by the shitload due to marketing .. welcome to the internet

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I'm not complaining

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE

I used to complain about these sort of things...

SMALL HINT: stop sending traffic to old shit tours and programs that do not give a fuck and stop sending traffic to programs that do all kinds of fucked shit to consumers.

THIS INCLUDES: Programs that do Cross Sales, Programs that pop consoles on the tour, programs with fucking suck ass tours from the 90s. Programs that offer no support, retarded outdated video scroll tours pieced together with shitty content and even worse design. Sell only the shit you would buy.

Just throwing that out there...

My main sponsor on a CCBILL program I am 1 in 46.

SmokeyTheBear

then neither is internet porn.. electricity ,computer, internet etc etc..

i think your missing the idea behind an analogy.

p.s. air is not free , we pay taxes to maintain it..

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SmokeyTheBear

i was just looking at a ccbill program someone mentioned to try in a "shitty ratios" thread and many of the things you mentioned not liking is what i noticed..

The join form was straight out of the 90's ( default ccbill form ?) why the fuck would someone put blue form elements on a blue background , the site you are signing up to is mentioned in tiny text ccbill in huge text. wtf .. heh . those kinds of things

although granted ccbill sites come in all shapes and sizes.. please ccbill program owners, change the forms..

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Someone is mad. Or Paul Markham fake nick.

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Vjo

I totally get your analogy (and I totally dig your sig )

Point is guys in their 40's to 60's still buy porn but it has to be something special. A couple of memberships a month ($60) is nothing to many "older" people.

Proof: I have bought more porn site memberships the last two years than times I jerked at a tube.

Read it again. It's true. Some people want to own the content, mostly older guys and real conissoirs (sp) of porn. Or maybe just dont like all the ads and bs on tubes.

Popups to me are a slap in the face. Guess who has lots of popups.

But it does suck to lose a shitload of surfers to the tubes but then maybe most arent buying anyway.

I think a bigger problem may be what ThatOtherGuy eluded to. A LOT of stuff is boring or adds nothing new OR like some progs has become saturated.

Can only push the Hoover door to door so many times.

Yet very few new high end tours or new sites from the best progs, so it is catch 22.

Presnus

Times change, thats the way of life. Adapt or be dead

Vjo

One can adapt and still talk about the problems.

Just because someone complains doesnt mean someone doesnt adapt.

I think it is safe to say anyone still at GFY in June 2011 has adapted.

Maybe hanging on for dear life but "adapted". lol

What does "adapt" mean. Anyone want to tackle that one.

Suck the ass of pornhub or something I guess.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE

Well I am pretty sure that porn surfers that actually buy know what a CCBILL form is all about. But yeah it would be nice if CCBILL went and did some development on them damn things.


VJO- I think yer right about Tubes the video's are often pretty crunched up and thats the latest "Innovation" it makes zero sense to provide a top notch clip. Clips are compressed to be less than top quality on purpose and I also think many surfers that buy porn know that Tube videos are nothing compared to a pay video in a members site. Assuming they subscribe to a quality site.

Paul Markham

Stupid post.

Bottled water isn't given away in bottles in the quantities online porn does. Bottled water has professional people marketing it. Bottled water is a status symbol and part of the culture, like not paying for porn is. Tap water isn't free.

But above all who gives a flying fuck if people pay for bottled water. We earn our money selling porn.

The vast majority in online porn don't sell porn, they give it away in the hope that 1-1,000 will buy.

After 15 years of "marketing" porn ratios and sales are in the toilet. That's not marketing in anyones book. That's called "fucking your business".

I told you this would happen 10 years ago because as the village idiot I could see what was coming. It was clear and had already started with offline porn and was inevitable to happen to online porn.

Don't worry, Robbie made millions setting up a barrier between the customer and the seller. Of course the surfer was too stupid to find a paysite with affiliates there to guide them. How did they figure out how to find Robbie.

Smokey, you can't sell shit by marketing. Eventually the customer realises the marketing is bollocks and chooses not to buy.

If you guys had a clue about marketing sales and ratios would be better, not worse.

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There was a time when program owners would blame themselves if they failed to convert traffic. The old axiom was "if you haven't found the right way to convert the traffic then you can only blame yourself". A surfer, was a surfer, was a paying customer if you could only provide the right recipe for conversions... the right product, with the right text, and perfect image...

Now everyone wants to point blame on anything or any one other than his or her own shortcomings being the fault of low conversions.

Sex has been as free as water since the dawn of time... and that is why the sex biz is called "the world's oldest profession". Like water, people are always going to be willing to pay for service, quality, exclusivity, etc.

Paul, if you can't understand that then it is time for you to put the cap on the lens and hang it up for good.

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SmokeyTheBear

stupid reply

see how thats done..

maybe you don't understand how an analogy works..



bottled water is paysites , the tap is the tubes..


again i think you misunderstand the use of an analogy.


marketing didn't kill the pornstar.. marketing was working just fine

see water analogy above..

you JUST got finished saying that you can't sell stuff using marketing, now you are saying if we market better ratio's will be better..make up your mind

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SmokeyTheBear

i have no idea if this thread was started in direct response to my shitty ratio thread, but i should point out some facts here.

i was complaining about ratio's dropping from 1:2000 for over 5 years to 1:30,000 in one pay period.. it isn't the tubes, it isn't free content or my shortcomings ..

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travs

complaining is healthy. just let it out.

Cherry7

Please feel free to correct me I am wrong, but as I see it ratios have very little meaning.

They are about as relevant as the number of people that walk past a shop.

If the number of paying clients stayed the same ratios would be effected by the number of websites. eg if there was one big tit pay-site with a ratio of 1:500 if another big tit website opened up the ratio would fall to 1:1000, but the number of people buying porn would be the same.

Add a hundred other factors, where the traffic is from, have old the people, how many have CC etc....

The are many things a pay-site can offer that a free site cannot.

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I'm just building building building right now... conversions are brutal (but when USA pulls itself out of the slump in the next 1-5 years i'll be ready and waiting to cash in...

Oh yeah, think long term baby. Porn is an impulse buy... the first thing people do when they got other commitments is stop the impulse buying sprees and with most content freely available on torrents and filesharing sites, its easy for most consumers to stop billing and spend a few extra minutes looking for free content instead.

But make no mistake, once things improve, they'll be back - they want to pay for no hassle, good content.

seeandsee

i don't blame tube, i blame people jrking on low quality full clips

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fris

look at his thread history, always complaining cause he cant convert anything, others do just fine.

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adapt or cease to exist.

iamtam

gideon, did you get another nick?

candyflip

I just spent $200 buying bottle water.

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tony286

Porn isnt the same as water. Much smaller audience and tap in lots of places tastes like shit. Where free porn jacks just as good as bought porn.

SmokeyTheBear

the water bottle analogy is actually a great analogy..

water is free and most people don't buy it , but many people do , because it is "clean" , and "safe" , it is easy.and packaged nicely..

Most people can download mp3's for free , yet itunes is doing great.

porn is not dead it is just getting a makeover

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good god... was about to make some statements of my own but this topic brought out too many kooks out of the closet... no thanks

have at it..

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fris

if you do a search on Lamis nickname you will see he has made many threads about not being able to convert paysites or anything for that matter, just because he cant do it others are able to without problems, he just hasnt learnt how to adapt, hes from the tgp era, and doesnt know how to do any other type or promotion.

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Far-L

No, I hadn't seen that thread, but I don't see you pointing blame like so many others either. Sorry if it came off like I was tsk-tsking you personally.

However, on a side note... don't you think it is time to give Homegrown a try?

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Lamis

Yes, tell us what do you mean with "ADAPT".. because nobody ever says what they mean.

What do you mean with ADAPT? How did you adapt?

I think people don't really know what they mean whan they say this.

You adapted your TGP into a tube?

You stopped submitting galleries and now submit blogs?

You post links on extreme-board from oron.com?

You create model profiles on facebook and e-whore desperate guys??

Explain, because otherwise, people can understand anything.

Lamis

Excuse me, but are you really that bad in USA?

I don't live there, but I see new hollywood movies filmed every year with RECORD production costs.. 300 million dollars for a movie that does 1000 million worldwide..

is that bad?? lol..

I see all those artists making millions and millions every day..

Rihana, Beyonce, and all thsoe black rapers with strange names like 50 cent and such dudes. They make a killing.. is that bad??

Lamis

Lol man, and you say you are millionaire because you sell your worthless tubes?

lol.. anyone can build a tube, dude.. ort do you think that is a secret of NASA? you are so fucking funny, dude, you try to pretend to have a "secret".. anyone can set a wordpress blog with one click and build a tube. Don't try to fool people.. It's even easier to set a wp blog or a tube than it was to set a tgp back in the day.

I know you try to convince people that tubes are the new way to make millions, and trick them. It's complete bullshit.. Your tubes are worthless.

Or you forgot about thatrocks? Please, Christopher. Get real.

fris

yes, it was an actual revenue earner, thats the only tube i actually built, the guy that runs badassteens bought it for a good price.

why would anyone sell a site making no revenue? does that make any sense at all?

comon, ask him if you want.

yes its easier to set a blog up with 1 click, but from what I have seen from your "blog" it has zero traffic, so theirs a difference between having a blog with zero traffic like you do, and people that actually do have traffic and sales, that is why you are so upset, because you dont know how to gain traffic.

maybe this is why you havent posted stats for any program, you have nothing to show for your work.

if i am wrong, i will admit it, but until you do, you can keep going on how every program doesnt convert, when infact they do.

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Lamis

It's very funny that you say I have zero traffic in my blogs, when you have never ever seen my stats, haha. In fact I have some blogs with a lot of traffic, more traffic than any of your worthless sites. And Im talking about seo traffic, not shitty trading traffic. Oh, and adult is not my main business now. I sell mainstream stuff that people cannot get for free and it converts like mad.

The only poor loser with zero traffic here is you. That's why you try to hide your sites from most people here, you have been for years here and people hardly know any of your sites at all. Only someone who tries to hide something, don't show his sites.

And no, don't say because people can copy it.. you just have worthless blogs and tubes, there is nothing to hide, you don't have the secret nasa formula to make money.

Do you still eat bananas on camera? hahaha.

fris

then why do you have threads like this?

A lot of people dont post their sites, because they are paranoid. and thats ok.

squirtinghotbabes.com 5.6 million alexa rank
adulthugemovies.com 30 million alexa rank

wow that is some serious traffic, i have better traffic to development sites with dummy posts.

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Lamis

lol... man.. you are stuck on time.. adult ticket?? hahaha.. what are you checking? threads from year 2002?

haha, and those domains are not even mine anymore, I sold them..

man, try to get up to date. Its funny that you answer to my posts almost immediately, its obvious you have a lot of free time and you are stuned and care of what I do.. If you had work to do, you would not come to this forum and waste 6 hours per day here..

Keep selling your sig to get a few bucks and pay your bills, you are a broken dude with no money in bank left. Canadian expensive life muust be killing you, heh.

garce

Don't target people searching for free porn.

fris

yep sure is ;)

considering i have sold my sig to the same company for the past 4 years.

I would post stats, but I dont wanna feed your ego.

I will leave it at that, the day you post your stats, i will return the favour.

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NoWhErE

Actually, tap water is usually cleaner and/or the same quality as bottled water. Marketing has made us BELIEVE that bottled water is better. Our belief that its better has made it a "fact".

People believe the story and propogate the idea that bottled water is better for us. Thus marketing is done on itself and companies make a fortune selling something they can get for free.

Porn still sells. Those that have learned to tell a good story are making a killing.

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dynastoned

apples and oranges.....

at least people THINK bottled water is cleaner than tap water thus why they feel the need to buy it.

but whats the difference between jerking off to free porn OF ANY CATEGORY on a tube site and having to fork out your personal information, credit card number, and 10's of dollars for someones network of sites which might be limited to only a few niche's?

what are the benefits you tell me? oh you might get to watch them in HD? wooptyfuckingdoo!!!!!!!

i still watch tv in standard definition and i can see everything just fine. HD are for the connoisseur and those are the select few who do still fork out dough for porn.

simple fact is that a paid porn site doesn't offer much more if anything more than a free tube does.

advantage > free tube
it's free
no personal information
no getting ripped off and charged a million times with cross sales
don't have to worry about when to cancel memberships
unlimited amount of niches to choose from
don't have to sign in/log out
don't have to receive spam mails after signing up
don't have to worry about their emails being sold so they can get more spam
did i mention its free?
don't have to spend 15 minutes signing up and pulling out credit cards to get their jerk on
don't have to worry about the misses seeing their cc statement
on and fucking on

advantage > paid porn
HD porn (sometimes)
full length porn videos not cut off like tube sites sometimes do
able to save videos to computer in different formats
much more organized in terms of scene selection and whats the newest freshest content
photo sets (High res, video stills)
occasional live video sessions with models
occasional interactive chat sessions with models

i mean you do the math. it doesn't take a genius to see why tubes do so well and porn is in a huge recession and ratios are through the fucking roof.

tubes are anonymous they are free and they have want you want, something to jerk off to without the hassle.

dynastoned

not to mention a lot of these tubes are posting user generated videos. someone screen caps some chick on skype and posts it on the tube site. or some dude fucks his girlfriend and posts it on a tube site. or some guy screen caps a cam model on myfreecams.com and posts it. thats shits free, unique content, amateur, no documents required, no $$ and something a paid porn site can't provide. you guys are simply outmatched you can't compete you can only hope to hold on to a little tiny share of the traffic porn produces with old reliable customers that tube sites haven't corrupted yet.

it's fucking idiotic to think you guys have a chance to stay afloat in this business. all you have to do is type porn in google to see where this industry has gone. you think shap is fucking stupid? that guy built one of the biggest porn networks ever in this industry and he sold it without even blinking. take the money and run because this shit is done.

go look @ all the big tube sites they aren't selling porn on their ad spots. it's all fucking dating, penis pills, cams... because porn does't sell it doesn't convert at all. i don't even need to post stats you guys already know.

go sell hosting, go sell fucking dating, cams, acai berries, biz ops, debt consolidating or some shit because this just isn't working anymore.

mikesinner

Soon everyone will own an illegal tube and cam ratios will be 1:100,000

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Lamis

Perfect man, just perfect.

Its still a mistery why some people keep saying that adult is better than ever.

Any ideas? Im trying to figure out what hidden intention they have behind their fake premises.

For example when you check stupid fat guys like fris or other gay boytoys, you can see they keep saying that tubes are great and they convert like mad, and then you see them selling pre-build tubes, or tube scripts..

So you can see their intention. Too bad these assholes lie to the whole community saying that adult is better than ever, when you can see that all the forums are dead or there is no activity or sponsors close on a daily basis and don't pay.

I just can't stand how these assholes keep their lies all over the place when things are pretty obvious.

Or other idiots say: "adapt or die" and when you ask them "what do you mean with adapt or die?".. they just never answer.

Very strange.