Originally Posted by papill0n

yeah good job paul you have unconvered yet another mystery of porn

old men like young girls! who knew!

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Yes, almost two years of free tips, ideas and practical advice over at www.adultmarketing.co.uk.

Do you have anything positive to offer? Or are you just saying the same old shit you always say about wishing it was 10 years ago and free porn is bad? (That was rhetorical, clearly you never say anything positive and just moan and whine like a little girl).



I don't think you even know what a troll is, do you? Which is probably why you are proud of winning effectively "Dick of the year".

What I am doing is mocking you. For saying the same old shit you always say. That is not trolling. Trolling is posting deliberately provocative statements for the sake of annoying people.

HTH.

Big hugs

D

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18458018&postcount=165

Yes mock someone who has been pointing out the problem and solution for 10 years. A problem that's just got worse. Because no one wanted to hear about a solution, just too busy making the problem worse.

Thanks for the bump.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

So dumb, you have to think he's kidding. But not smart enough to pull off such an elaborate plan to look so dumb all the time... so he you're thinking that he can't be kidding. Then you think back quite a few years and you're thinking "yeah, actually he was always like this but it was just about other shit like politics, it was only after all his business completely tanked did he start babbling about tubes and why porn is a dead business and only he knows how to make money in porn".

He's always saying shit that no sane person can believe and so clearly speaking about things he knows nothing about, so you even though you know better, you still keep thinking "no one is this stupid"... but he's clearly not intelligent enough to pull off such an elaborate plan to consistently look so retarded just to wind people up, so you know that logically, he has to be this stupid... but its a sort of stupid that's just so deep, so profound and so unwavering no matter what facts are presented, that you are still thinking he can't be serious even as you start to realize he actually is.

The guy comes here to this forum to beg for money, admits his wife has to work to help pay the bills, his business is a joke, he lives off the government/pensions, not porn... but lectures non stop about how to make money in porn.

Such an epic mind fuck from the best accidental troll ever. A troll that's so dumb, he doesn't even know he's trolling... he actually thinks he's proving points and making sense. It's a stupid that runs so deep, a stupid that's so pure, that you kinda have to admire it in a way.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes mock someone who has been pointing out the problem and solution for 10 years.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18458018&postcount=165

Yes mock someone who has been pointing out the problem and solution for 10 years. A problem that's just got worse. Because no one wanted to hear about a solution, just too busy making the problem worse.

Thanks for the bump.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Will give people some ideas later.

Originally Posted by michael.kickass

Interesting poll.

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Why?

It's just people talking out of their arses and guessing.

It's about as interesting as a billing seminar.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How do you know?

You don't.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Online paysites sell monthly memberships. So do Webcams and Dating. Getting people into the site is a tough job today. Getting them to stay has to be number 1.

Will give people some ideas later.

Originally Posted by Qbert

When push comes to shove it really doesn't matter what age group is most common for a particular site, they're all buying because they want to see more of what you've shown them on the site tour. Whether they are 18 or 80 their money is worth the same.

There may be some difference in how tech savvy younger buyers are compared to older buyers, and in how comfortable they may be with certain payment options, but it's relatively easy to make enough options available to appease most everyone.

Besides, trying to pin down accurate age demographics for porn site buyers is pretty tough since that info is only available if the customer volunteers that info.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you don't know who you're selling to, you're shooting blind.

A 18 year olds taste in porn is going to be very different from a 50 year olds. They might like the same niche, but the packaging and style of the product has to be tempered to fit the different ages.

Yes it's tough to pin down, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done and can't be. Yes they need to volunteer it, we should still be learning.

Damian's skills are totally lost if he doesn't know who he's talking to. Try talking to an 18 year old lie you would a 50 year old and you lose a sale. And the other way around.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A 18 year olds taste in porn is going to be very different from a 50 year olds.

Originally Posted by Qbert

Do you have data to back this up, or are you just stating personal opinion?

Big tit lovers are big tit lovers whether they're 18 or 50. Same goes for most other porn niches.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you understood porn you would of known this right off the bat.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's very often the way the Big Tits are presented that influences the choice of an 18 year old different from a 50 year old. Not every time as the lines are blurred.

Put simply, an 18 year old might like the 21st Century presentation of porn better than the 20th Century presentation. And the other way around for the older guy. Think in terms of Playboy and Ex Gf, both big tits. Yet presentation is totally different.

If you understood porn you would of known this right off the bat.

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

We have a variety of people join our websites from 18 to 80 and both female & male.

Originally Posted by Qbert

Paul, you have no fucking clue who I am, how long I've been in this biz, or how much I do or don't know about porn.

Trust me, I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. I'm currently in my 50's, started in the biz in my 30's. You do the math.

What you're saying only applies if you're talking about a niche where the overwhelming majority of your customers are within a single age group. There are damn few of those.

This biz has always been a matter of trial and error, repeating what works and dropping what doesn't, the trying something else. By marketing to a specific age group you risk alienating the others, and you simply can't get reliable data on surfer ages to know just how large a factor that really is.

You're just guessing. I don't make those kinds of major site changes based on guesses.

Originally Posted by DamianJ

How do you know?

Liar.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Any business that relies on trial and error, needs a lot of luck. Because guessing what works, doesn't work very often.

If you were 50 and been in business for very long, you would know that. Trial and error is useless offline. It will send you bankrupt.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Any business that relies on trial and error, needs a lot of luck. Because guessing what works, doesn't work very often.

Originally Posted by Qbert

BULLSHIT! You try something you think will increase sales, track the results to see if it really does, then take further action based on those results. No guessing involved at all since long term actions are based on tracked results.

You're guessing because there is no reliable way to track the age of all visitors to your site.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

EVERY business is trail and error....

Trial and error is useless offline? So trying to market new ideas is useless? Seeing if a new product might work, is useless? Trying something new like groupon to see if it drives in more customers, is useless? So if it doesn't work fully the first time, and you adjust, and get it to work the second time, did they not just do trial and error to make it work?

If you have no trial and error, how do you learn, adapt, and change with or beat out your competition? Exactly...

I'm starting to think you've never owned a business, but rather ALWAYS worked for someone else while pretending you ran a business.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

So dumb, you have to think he's kidding. But not smart enough to pull off such an elaborate plan to look so dumb all the time... so he you're thinking that he can't be kidding. Then you think back quite a few years and you're thinking "yeah, actually he was always like this but it was just about other shit like politics, it was only after all his business completely tanked did he start babbling about tubes and why porn is a dead business and only he knows how to make money in porn".

He's always saying shit that no sane person can believe and so clearly speaking about things he knows nothing about, so you even though you know better, you still keep thinking "no one is this stupid"... but he's clearly not intelligent enough to pull off such an elaborate plan to consistently look so retarded just to wind people up, so you know that logically, he has to be this stupid... but its a sort of stupid that's just so deep, so profound and so unwavering no matter what facts are presented, that you are still thinking he can't be serious even as you start to realize he actually is.

The guy comes here to this forum to beg for money, admits his wife has to work to help pay the bills, his business is a joke, he lives off the government/pensions, not porn... but lectures non stop about how to make money in porn.

Such an epic mind fuck from the best accidental troll ever. A troll that's so dumb, he doesn't even know he's trolling... he actually thinks he's proving points and making sense. It's a stupid that runs so deep, a stupid that's so pure, that you kinda have to admire it in a way.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He phoned them both up. One was a confused 18 year old guy and the other his granma trying to find out what he was banging her card on.

Originally Posted by Qbert

BULLSHIT! You try something you think will increase sales, track the results to see if it really does, then take further action based on those results. No guessing involved at all since long term actions are based on tracked results.

You're guessing because there is no reliable way to track the age of all visitors to your site.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

That works if you're an affiliate whose bills are being paid by sponsors. Then you can keep guessing.

Those of us in business for real can't afford to do this, We need to make decisions calculated on experience, knowledge and skills.

So a sponsor gets a bunch of models, shoots them, shoves up a site and then waits to see if it works. If it doesn't he gets a different bunch of models, shoots them and puts them into the same site. If that doesn't work he gets the first set of models, lets his mate sh ........................

Had to stop the bank phoned and told me I'm broke testing and trying different ways.

Yes that was an extreme joke. But it's true, you can't keep "relying on trial and error" when each trail and error is losing you money.

Yes you're guessing, you're putting something up "relying on trial and error" to see if it works. You don't know what to put up before the results come in. Then you can try another guess to see if it works. With no way of knowing what will sell and to who it will sell. you don't even know where to start.

Can you tell us who you are, with some proof and show me this method works please.

I can prove it doesn't and we rarely made a guess when shooting girls, how to shoot them, who to sell it to and a few other things. Couldn't afford to do all the "trial and error" before we found a good one.

Do you want to send traffic to a sponsor whose "relying on trial and error" with your traffic. Or do you prefer to send it to a guy who knows what he's doing?

Now you can come back with a jibe and ignore the truth.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Exactly... that's why he twisted his words to say "offline" when we're all talking about online.

He learned the "split testing" word and what it means from Damian, but he still doesn't understand what it really means or all the various ways you can use it.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

That works if you're an affiliate whose bills are being paid by sponsors. Then you can keep guessing.

Those of us in business for real can't afford to do this, We need to make decisions calculated on experience, knowledge and skills.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

That works if you're an affiliate whose bills are being paid by sponsors. Then you can keep guessing.

Those of us in business for real can't afford to do this, We need to make decisions calculated on experience, knowledge and skills.

So a sponsor gets a bunch of models, shoots them, shoves up a site and then waits to see if it works. If it doesn't he gets a different bunch of models, shoots them and puts them into the same site. If that doesn't work he gets the first set of models, lets his mate sh ........................

Had to stop the bank phoned and told me I'm broke testing and trying different ways.

Yes that was an extreme joke. But it's true, you can't keep "relying on trial and error" when each trail and error is losing you money.

Yes you're guessing, you're putting something up "relying on trial and error" to see if it works. You don't know what to put up before the results come in. Then you can try another guess to see if it works. With no way of knowing what will sell and to who it will sell. you don't even know where to start.

Can you tell us who you are, with some proof and show me this method works please.

I can prove it doesn't and we rarely made a guess when shooting girls, how to shoot them, who to sell it to and a few other things. Couldn't afford to do all the "trial and error" before we found a good one.

Do you want to send traffic to a sponsor whose "relying on trial and error" with your traffic. Or do you prefer to send it to a guy who knows what he's doing?

Now you can come back with a jibe and ignore the truth.