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Old 01-13-2012, 08:16 AM   #1
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any one here with a NEW large LCD TV?

picked one up the other day and man it sure looks different.. way more depth. not so sure I like it... what are you seeing?
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We just got a new LED TV. Still getting used to the higher refresh rate.
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Watch it sober and get back to us. lol

I'm about to buy one myself, what exactly do you mean?

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I'm about to buy one myself, what exactly do you mean?

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kinda reminds me of the old 'beta cam' look from the 70's soap operas... not crappy like that but deff not a film look... seems like way more dimension. even with a small DOF the stuff close to the lens seems to almost, not sure how to say it.... it's not 3d but it doesn't seem like 2d either tho I know it is...
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They sure are coming down in price now. Waiting for Best Buy to have a fire sale.
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kinda reminds me of the old 'beta cam' look from the 70's soap operas... not crappy like that but deff not a film look... seems like way more dimension. even with a small DOF the stuff close to the lens seems to almost, not sure how to say it.... it's not 3d but it doesn't seem like 2d either tho I know it is...
That's the faster refresh rate these TVs have. It results in most TVs looking like Soap Operas.
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kinda reminds me of the old 'beta cam' look from the 70's soap operas... not crappy like that but deff not a film look... seems like way more dimension. even with a small DOF the stuff close to the lens seems to almost, not sure how to say it.... it's not 3d but it doesn't seem like 2d either tho I know it is...
I know exactly what you mean. It is almost as if the resolution is too high or something :S

It looks good but even new movies have an early 80's TV feel to them. For some reason Doctor Who comes to mind.
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what are you seeing?
MrMarxwell sees pixelation on all of them.
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what's better LED or LCD? and why do people ask me if I watch it in a dark room or if I watch it in daylight, I don't care!! Whats the newest and greatest technology??
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There is an actual term for that. Its called the "soap opera effect"

Took me a few days to get used to it. I have a pair of 55" Samsung Series 8 LED-LCD with 240Hz refresh.
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what's better LED or LCD? and why do people ask me if I watch it in a dark room or if I watch it in daylight, I don't care!! Whats the newest and greatest technology??
LED is the backlight source. LCD is the screen type.
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There is an actual term for that. Its called the "soap opera effect"

Took me a few days to get used to it. I have a pair of 55" Samsung Series 8 LED-LCD with 240Hz refresh.
so your seeing it as well on the 55 then? new technology?. i have a 65 plasma that doesn't have that effect, 3 years old though
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i am going to be getting one of these soon. finally decided to get rid of the trusty old tube tv when i move. is a higher refresh rate better? what are some things to look out for? will i have to sit directly in front of it to watch it properly?
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so your seeing it as well on the 55 then? new technology?. i have a 65 plasma that doesn't have that effect, 3 years old though
3 years ago most probably had a refresh rate of 60hz, now the low ends are 120hz, high end are 240hz and some of the plasmas have 600hz.
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70" in the living room and a 42 in the bedroom. Staying at Ceasars, TV looked small
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yeah the LED makes it look like everything is taken on a camcorder for a bit, everything looks so real
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lower the refresh rate, its too high for normal digital cable/sat. The only thing that would get the benefit from over 120hz is blu ray or a video game.
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i am going to be getting one of these soon. finally decided to get rid of the trusty old tube tv when i move. is a higher refresh rate better? what are some things to look out for? will i have to sit directly in front of it to watch it properly?
they are all pretty descent, just stay with a name brand you'll be fine...
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yeah the LED makes it look like everything is taken on a camcorder for a bit, everything looks so real
yeah that's kinda what I see on the new LCD
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lower the refresh rate, its too high for normal digital cable/sat. The only thing that would get the benefit from over 120hz is blu ray or a video game.
I watch BD
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You can turn it off. It's called True-Motion on Samsung and other makers have different names. Go into the settings and turn it off if you don't like it.

If you play games online, you need to turn all processing off because it causes too much input lag.
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You can turn it off. It's called True-Motion on Samsung and other makers have different names. Go into the settings and turn it off if you don't like it.

If you play games online, you need to turn all processing off because it causes too much input lag.
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just looked it up... the 'look' in not overly smooth... the depth is almost too much
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lower the refresh rate, its too high for normal digital cable/sat. The only thing that would get the benefit from over 120hz is blu ray or a video game.
I agree, only time I ever watch in higher than 60 Hz is Discovery/history type channels, or Sports or BluRay. I find that above that, it Ruins the movies, and makes them look like every show on the CBC or BBC. Like its shot without filters and you are watching the raw footage.
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so your seeing it as well on the 55 then? new technology?. i have a 65 plasma that doesn't have that effect, 3 years old though
The 50" Panasonic 1080p Plasma in my office doesnt do it. Only my Samsung TVs.
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The 50" Panasonic 1080p Plasma in my office doesnt do it. Only my Samsung TVs.
so it's an LCD thing?
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Costco just started carrying an 80inch tv. Not sure LED or what. Looks pretty good but you need a small movie theater to sit in.
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picked one up the other day and man it sure looks different.. way more depth. not so sure I like it... what are you seeing?
Do you have one of those high refresh rate TVs like mine? It's 240hz and when watching a movie it looks like super sharp video and is really freaky. You can go into the settings and turn that off if you like.

The first thing I watched in that 240 mode was Lord of the Rings on cable, and it looked like Gandalf was in my living room. I was tripping out on it.

Is that what you're talking about?
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Costco just started carrying an 80inch tv. Not sure LED or what. Looks pretty good but you need a small movie theater to sit in.
might as well just get a projector if you are going to go that big.
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kinda reminds me of the old 'beta cam' look from the 70's soap operas... not crappy like that but deff not a film look... seems like way more dimension. even with a small DOF the stuff close to the lens seems to almost, not sure how to say it.... it's not 3d but it doesn't seem like 2d either tho I know it is...

You are seeing a 120hz or higher screen refresh rate. Each TV brand has a different name for this such as "pure motion" or some such thing but its the refresh rate you are noticing. It makes things look very very sharp - too sharp for alot of people - and it is sometimes described as the "soap opera effect".

The high refresh rate is necessary for 3D but distracting for 2D. For this reason you can adjust the refresh rate of your TV in one of your menus somewhere. Look around then experiment for the rate you like the best.
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might as well just get a projector if you are going to go that big.
Don't bother. Projectors such. They aren't as bright, have lousy black levels, have noisy fans, require mounting and special cabling, need very careful placement, and require super bright light bulbs that burn out. It's an expensive and impractical way to get a shitty picture. Flat screen TV's kick ass.
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Do you have one of those high refresh rate TVs like mine? It's 240hz and when watching a movie it looks like super sharp video and is really freaky. You can go into the settings and turn that off if you like.

The first thing I watched in that 240 mode was Lord of the Rings on cable, and it looked like Gandalf was in my living room. I was tripping out on it.

Is that what you're talking about?
yeah I guess that's the deal for sure... weird isn't it?
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You are seeing a 120hz or higher screen refresh rate. Each TV brand has a different name for this such as "pure motion" or some such thing but its the refresh rate you are noticing. It makes things look very very sharp - too sharp for alot of people - and it is sometimes described as the "soap opera effect".

The high refresh rate is necessary for 3D but distracting for 2D. For this reason you can adjust the refresh rate of your TV in one of your menus somewhere. Look around then experiment for the rate you like the best.
thank you, I will.... it's a 2d set anyway
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I purchased a 42 inch one about 3 months ago and tbh I prefered our old flat screen Sony Trinitron TV. The pic on the old TV looked much better. The only thing i like about the LCD is its weight, nice and easy to carry if you move lol
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Don't bother. Projectors such. They aren't as bright, have lousy black levels, have noisy fans, require mounting and special cabling, need very careful placement, and require super bright light bulbs that burn out. It's an expensive and impractical way to get a shitty picture. Flat screen TV's kick ass.
yeah i was looking at the 92 dlp and went with the lcd...
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I've only noticed it on LCD screens. A friend of mine has a new Mitsubishi 92" rear projection DLP, and it doesnt do it either.
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I've only noticed it on LCD screens. A friend of mine has a new Mitsubishi 92" rear projection DLP, and it doesnt do it either.
how does that look, was going for that then changed to the 80 LCD
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I bought a 40" Samsung Smart LED TV the other day. It's very practical, it has a built in satellite tuner and you connect a hard drive to it for recording TV shows, you can stick USB sticks in the back and watch video clips like that. What I don't like are the colors and posterizing but this may be due to the heavy compression on satellite broadcasts, but when they broadcast older movies (60s, 70s) I usually do like the colors.
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I bought a 40" Samsung Smart LED TV the other day. It's very practical, it has a built in satellite tuner and you connect a hard drive to it for recording TV shows, you can stick USB sticks in the back and watch video clips like that. What I don't like are the colors and posterizing but this may be due to the heavy compression on satellite broadcasts, but when they broadcast older movies (60s, 70s) I usually do like the colors.
how is the BD? i like a big ass TV to watch when I'm not shooting and editing...
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I just picked up a brand new 46" Samsung LED and its amazing.....

Only 2 cm thick, uses 70 watts full out, and the sound is pretty decent too considering the older versions of thin TVs.
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so it's an LCD thing?
Yes, the 'soap opera effect' is a problem LCDs with motion interpolation ("perfect motion", "motion enhancement" etc) suffer from. Playing 24fps video on a 120hz screen means that every frame will be shown 5 times. When using motion interpolation, your LCD TV shows every frame once but generates the other 'intermediary' frames. So basically when playing video at 24fps on a 120hz screen with motion interpolation 4 out of 5 frames are not original frames but something your TV's processor generated.
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Note: Before you buy a new TV, check the audio output jacks. Many new TVs don't come with RCA audio L/R outputs, they have Digital Audio connections, Coax on left, Toslink Optical on the right. Digital Coax uses asingle orange color coded "RCA" connection. These support "AC3" Dolby Digital (5.1, etc.), DTS, S/PDIF.



The better TV's have more options, know what you want and check the back of the TV out.

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