2MuchMark

Just did, and yikes! Sucks to be a DVD distributor these days.

Online though is where its at. I almost never rent DVD's anymore, not even Blue Ray. I have satellite and watch crap on Netflix once in a while. The only disk watching I'll do might be complete seasons of TV shows, or first-run theatres (love the big screen & sound). If its a movie I'm really in love with (Star Wars, Star Trek, Transformers, etc) I will buy the Blu Ray for the superior image & sound (much better than netflix, yuck) and the extras.

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Paul Markham

Yes, 100 million are searching and finding free porn.

The real picture is easy to see.

The product creators are giving up and getting out.
Affiliates are giving up and getting out.
Site owners are giving up and getting out.
Designers are giving up and getting out.
Some sites have given up paying.
Some have given up updating.
Some have given up their affiliate program.
This board is grinding to a halt.

Why is the only question. Because as you point out those searching for porn are often landing on the sites in the two images I posted. From there if these people are converting click traffic anything like 2007, 2008, 2009 it's a miracle no one here has seen.

It's obvious why the little guys have gone and now the bigger guys are looking for an exit. They simply don't have any chance of getting enough traffic and when they do, conversions suck.

Tom is dead right, it would still be popular today, if they could afford to produce it, launch it, get the traffic and keep it off free sites. Pointing out the old boys as an example, is in itself proof of today's situation. Can anyone point to sites that launched since 2008 from the position BB was in 1998?

And pointing at their success doesn't pay your bills. It's the obese pointing to the fit as proof they could be the same, if only the world would change.

$30 per 1,000 clicked.

100,000 clicked = $3,000 If you do that a month you're on what a decent PA can earn.

If you do it a week, you're getting up to the wage of offline magazine shooters. Back in the day.

Then what are your expenses or was that clear money?

I'm not having a go, but quoting cpm means nothing.

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And in porn that means all the losses are confined to online porn only. The migration of buyers is over.

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Paul Markham

What are your plans on this subject?

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19019471&postcount=44

The same goes for MW if they're around.

Yes point out more big boys fighting for you guys.

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scuba steve

whats the plan on piracy? figure i'd hire you to take down all the illegal tubes, you're an expert from all the threads about whats wrong with the industry

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So you're doing nothing. Can you explain why a company like Corbin Fisher steps up to fight file lockers and Bangbros make a joke of piracy?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19020075#post19020075

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BAKO

You are the biggest troll ever

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Tijuana_Tom

I remember when "FREE PORN" was just a ploy to get you to their site.

jimmycooper

Sorry to break your heart, Paul, but they're not 'fighting piracy'. It's just a cash grab.

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Paul Markham

So grabbing cash off piracy sites isn't a good thing or hurting piracy?

It's a great thing and more should go this route, make piracy a cash cow for content owners.

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scuba steve

yeah i guess that whole dept we have dedicated internally just plays video games. i was always suspicious of them anyway. oh i should make sure we stop paying those two third party companies too, that must be a waste of money. more i can pay you with i guess when i hire you

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If you had not noticed these guys are doing more than sending DMCAs. They're dragging the pirates into court.

So are you doing anything else other than sending out DMCAs.

People are reading your posts.

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Retirement sounds like such fun

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scuba steve

Too lazy to find the Xbiz article. Search for how bangbros took over illegal tube site fapzap a year ago. Like always you're ahead of everyone else

And cool I'm glad they read my posts. But I'm done with this thread

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Paul Markham

Taking over an illegal Tube a year ago must of tired you out.

This guy still makes fun of it while others are carrying the fight to the enemy.

The plus side for them is it tells the pirates more than anything else will is Lay off stealing out content. If for no other reason this is a great reason to take them to court and remind them not to fuck with your property.

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epitome

Paul, why don't you take the people pirating your content to court?

(before anyone else says it, yes I know his content isn't worth stealing)

DamianJ

nonsense, look at this really natural scene:

fapdu.com/zuzana-drabinova-early-group

VicD

Paul Markspam still going strong, here's a bump

teennutsuckers

bizniz goes up and down it's life

Roald

Piracy is a cash cow for content owners for a while already

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Paul Markham

True. We just increased the down process for porn and told ourselves we were increasing the up process. Truth is clear to see now. The losses offline didn't come to online and now the losses online need not go elsewhere. The good thing is to see how many people like joking about it.

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smashits

I completely agree with Vdbucks, instead of crying we should work hard.
This economic downturn is not going to long last.

Good days will definitely come.

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Paul you are bombing gfy with your negative bullshit all the fucking time. This is now getting very annoying and I feel you are a cursed evil old energy-vampire and I kindly ask you to STOP with spreading the negative vibes. I am working hard for my money, my guys are working hard too, and what we really don't want to see is your non-stop whining about the industry you are not involved in at all anymore.

Fuck Off Paul

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My posts only balance all the positive everything is rosy in the garden, no need to change and we're making more money today than ever before posts. The real situation is which ones are right.

You're dead right, I'm retired and no longer need to work. Never worked hard because I was in a profession that was in demand by other sectors of porn and paid well. With a limited supply of people who could do the job. You have to work hard because you're in a profession that is saturated with people doing the same.

I'm no longer working for my money, except for processing the order from the stores. The sign ups I do nothing for.

Got anything to offer, other than working harder to earn the same as you did last year?

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DamianJ

Damn right, you've got your lovely and totally not paid for wife Eva out cleaning bogs to cover your rent, so it's all good!

you chose to break the law and produce illegal content when no one else was prepared to so you made a few bob which since then you lost gambling, or on sniff, or whores, who knows?

Matyko

Paul, maybe I am a Stahanovist Lame Ass Mofo but I am working since age 15 [no, not Instead of school], always worked hard and never regretted it. If in your age I would be able to say I've never had to work hard, than I won't be able to look in the mirror, man..

Yes, I need to work harder than in 2005-2006 [and it was not that easy in 2005-2006 at all!] but I make more and my eggs now are not in the same basket anymore so I am not worried about the changes in the game we are playing here. I am not afraid [WE are not afraid] to work harder for more money for me and my Crew here.

I really don't care how easy money you made back then, I am just saying your negative attitude is DISTURBING and I feel Deeply Disturbed now, because you can't stop posting negative shit and opening turn-off-threads that harm my Flawless Summer Spirit, this is why I kindly ask you to reconsider what you post.

There are smart and constructive posts from you, but they are getting overwhelmed by the negative shit.


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1) Corbin Fisher is just trying to get paid. He's not fighting piracy. Same with everyone else who files law suits against pirates. It's another income stream. Nothing more. If they really wanted to "fight piracy" they would hunker down and go the distance on one of these suits and not offer a settlement within a week or two of filing suit.

2) Doesn't BangBros own tubes full of user submitted content? Their reason is obvious. They are just getting theirs, like Corbin and everyone else is. "Adapt or die," I believe is the battle cry.

It boils down to this: Are you going to run an unethical business and stay in the game, or are you going to run an ethical business and die a slow and painful death? Very few are able to stay legit and achieve real growth. Big kudos to those who can.

Paul Markham

Put me on ignore then.

However there are ways to stay above the trend other than working harder. Working smarter. For content producers and buyers it's about investing in content that is better than the rest. Different, unique and still appealing.

For you it's also about cutting away from doing the same as everyone else. Look at ways of generating traffic in ways that have not been done to death. For this you'll need to look at who you promote because ultimately if they are the same as everyone else you're going to have problems convincing surfers today the site is special.

This business is no longer about working hard, it's about working smarter. Because maybe as few as 10 Tubes and some piracy sites have so much of the traffic and will keep getting. Hard work isn't good enough and a lot of others are also working harder to keep the money coming in.

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The more that do it, the less profitable piracy becomes. You would do the same.

Then people need to treat them with the same attitude they treat MW.

There will always be those online and porn who don't care about ethics and being legit. Put the two together and you have the perfect recipe for those who don't care.

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DWB

Less profitable is still very profitable.

Yea, if my entire content library was being repeatedly stolen like some of these guys, I would be suing them too, along with the uploaders.



Having a tube(s) and having a history of uploaders who are paid to steal and load content, two different monsters. If it was found out that BB did the same, I'm sure they would catch equally as much shit as Manwin does. But such proof does no exist, nor do the rumors of such behavior, so they are just another company running tubes. Only they know how the content really gets up there.


Most people don't care anymore and they know the laws favor them. They have all seen first hand where such unethical business models can take them, how they are glorified even, and the money they can make, so that is the road they choose now. That is the new business model. And with hosting being cheaper than ever and no shortage of billing companies who will bill for ANY content they have, it's a no brainer. Today's problems are much more than just "some people will do this and some people will do that." The dishonest business model IS the main business model of today.

potter

The online porn industry has grown every single year since 1995. The fucking end.

But we all know facts have no bearing in a Markham thread.

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Paul, you shot that? Nice body on her.

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The more people fuck with pirates the more they will make less profit. It takes time to win a war.
If you have proof that MW is paying for people to upload, use it.


It has been for years. I sold unlicensed porn videos in the UK, you shoot in a country where it's illegal.

The problem is no one cares enough to bring the billing to the notice of the public.Public shame is the only way to make this situation change. I'm trying something myself, others should try their own methods.

Prove it. Even give us indications why it's true.

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Yes, she was a very good money spinner for us.

This day we shot two multi girl scenes.

Another day another good earner.

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chaze

Yes tubes are hurting the industry, of course. But people are still making awesome money with little experience at it, just like before. I see it everyday.

I think eventually tube owners will wise up and stop wasting money for everyone.

crash_jackson

I used to be pessimistic too but after a lot of work tweaking designs, getting more and new promo materials up to match with affiliate's demands, and focusing on quality of the final product we have experienced a considerable bump in sales and conversions which gives me some hope for the future. The hard lesson to learn was it's not just about putting some porn up and expecting the sales, but really figuring out what people are willing to pay for and how you need to present the value of your website to them. With a new wave of technology and content we have releasing over the rest of 2012 I think it can get even better too

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You'd have to be some kind of fucking idiot to actually still pay for porn these days lol... I guess they still exist out there though somehow.....

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People with strange fetishes that you can't really find on tubes. They buy a lot of porn..

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And then other Tubes will open.

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correct. Many naive people jump in to see if they can make a buck. I've seen several producers that make 5-10 scenes for maybe 20 and somehow $10-50k was blown and they make almost nothing back.
A producer that is struggling uses a tubesubmitter and says he only sticks to alexa 100 because the other ones don't know how to last. People get a tubesite, think they're going to be millionaires and realize though cheap, Terabytes of bandwidth still costs money.

What makes you think extinguishing paypal will eliminate filehost incentives and so forth. Alertpay will step in and take over, it's just too much money to say no to. Margins are low and the fact that CCbill (which is large and significant) latched with the filehosts may implicitly mean that this is a sinking ship you are all riding down. There is a lot of mainstream but margins will continue to diminish.

CCbill most likely knew what they were doing with the filehosts, CCbill is very large and we don't have analytics to their revenue streams but I'm sure they've felt the pinch like everyone else. That's why they might have turned a blind eye (like paypal) and let all these filehosts sign up.
Who knows how much they made in the time they did that. I'm sure paypal has made hundreds of millions off of file lockers from their inception.


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johnnyloadproductions

Men are always seeking new partners internally, our biology makes us from all the generations of evolution. A man looks at porn no different. The free porn is more than enough to satiate this need though and no need to pay for it.
Also there is so much out there that you can cycle through it all and it's nearly new again.


I've been corrupted though, when I see a $29.95 paysite, unless it's something insanely remarkable, I won't sign up. Haven't signed up for about 1 year. It's funny that a lot of you out here have never payed for a site you just log in as an affiliate. I've spent probably $5k in my lifetime as a consumer to paysites over the years.

This video below is an analogy of corruption to the consumer, you've corrupted this generation of porn users. From 6:40 onward watch the daycare example and how there guilt was alleviated.
All the free porn doesn't make one feel guilty about stealing it and they expect it free.

johnnyloadproductions

Also when I was selling my content, one guy told me I was lucky he was even paying me $100 for a license as most people just steal content now and use that. With how many sites out there, all the confusion... as long as you don't post a full siterip with 100's of GB from a website that has a very powerful parent company, you'll probably stay under the radar.

...or you can just live in a certain area and avoid prosecution all together.

johnnyloadproductions

I'm being a bit of a blowhard but what makes you think tubes will wise up? If they have even a slight margin of profit and the tubeowner finds it fit. They're sticking around.

Tubes aren't going away.

Paul Markham

A major misconception in online porn is that we control traffic and what it does. Illogical to the extreme.

Traffic = Uniques = surfers = People with a free will. They determine what they do and unless you can sell them something they determine they want, you're fucked.

Proof of this is people who say they control traffic or have the control of x number of uniques or that they could put up words the content didn't back up. Or people thinking they control traffic and .5% or less convert and stay a couple of months.

If all the illegal loop holes are closed, expect the vast majority of surfers to go to legal Tubes. Maybe I should open a Tube with my 1,000 videos on it. Nothing new about this idea as PR have done it. My point here that opening a free tube just confirms to surfers that there is no need to pay for porn. https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19023497&postcount=299 Seems PR_Glen didn't get it.

Using porn to sell traffic is increasingly the best way to earn a living now. Or should that be the only way?

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Well, there is only so much advertising one can do before somebody needs to be able to make a sales that justify buying the advertisement. Ads on tubes with lots of traffic that has consumers that just want to watch videos isn't going to do well. The numbers are to ogle at but then reality hits as the traffic's value becomes apparent.

Even if I don't have immediate statics it's all implicit from people bitching about the lowered payouts on ads they use on networks, etc.