Why online porn is a dying industry.

[Paul Markham]

Add to these the 100s of small ones. The value of this traffic is shit compared to 2005 or even 2000. Someone recently told us it was worth $10 for 20,000 could be him trying to sell his ad selling business model, could be true. What we do know is if all you can get out of 20,000 consumers is $10. Then the industry is fucked.

Someone can come in and take a stab at what these figures mean in real terms. Or poke fun or blame it on piracy. It is as it is and this is where porn is today.

And asking someone to change his business model and put his staff out of work to save your ass is pointless.

[vdbucks]

Instead of sitting around moping every day and screaming 'the sky is falling the sky is falling' how about doing something about it? Our sites get less than 20k uniques a day and we're making a shit load more than $10.

We made double in 2010 that me made in 2009. Then we doubled that in 2011. And we're projecting that we'll be making nearly double what we made in 2011 this year.

You know what we don't do? We don't sit around crying and moaning and bitching. Yes, things are harder now than they were in 2006 when we started. But that just means we work harder now. And the end result is that, even though things are more difficult now, we're making more money now than we ever thought possible in 2006.

Create a product worth paying for, and people will pay for it. Do everything you can to protect that product and minimize the effect piracy can have on your business, and make money.

Or, just sit around bitching and moaning every day about the sky is falling in the porn industry.

[wehateporn]

Don't be late Damian...

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Don't be late Damian...

Can I join in ?

[B.Barnato]

This is probably the best thread I have ever read.

Thank you Paul.

[jimmycooper]

There are other types of traffic which are more valuable.

[scuba steve]

the online porn expert, all your sites you run

[Wizzo]

Funny, to me those sites don't look like they are dying at all?

[Colmike9]

Learn how to 'sell' and you'll be fine....

[Sly]

$10 off of 20,000 impressions is $.50 cpm. Set up a leaderboard, maybe a text link, and a cube or two and you drop all the way to $.10-.20 cpm for a given ad. Traffic is selling for more than that.

Brokers… Feel free to correct my math!

[mmaisonet]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Learn how to 'sell' and you'll be fine....

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Can I join in ?

You'll need to ask Paul

[sperbonzo]

[Tijuana_Tom]

Well as wrong as he is about Online Porn being a Dying Industry he is right about the tube sites.

[Bugbee]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Instead of sitting around moping every day and screaming 'the sky is falling the sky is falling' how about doing something about it? Our sites get less than 20k uniques a day and we're making a shit load more than $10.

We made double in 2010 that me made in 2009. Then we doubled that in 2011. And we're projecting that we'll be making nearly double what we made in 2011 this year.

You know what we don't do? We don't sit around crying and moaning and bitching. Yes, things are harder now than they were in 2006 when we started. But that just means we work harder now. And the end result is that, even though things are more difficult now, we're making more money now than we ever thought possible in 2006.

Create a product worth paying for, and people will pay for it. Do everything you can to protect that product and minimize the effect piracy can have on your business, and make money.

Or, just sit around bitching and moaning every day about the sky is falling in the porn industry.

nuff said!

[DVTimes]

bump 4 paul .................................

[NerdScott]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And asking someone to change his business model and put his staff out of work to save your ass is pointless.

hilarious

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by jimmycooper

There are other types of traffic which are more valuable.

Where do you think this traffic came from?

That was my point, suppose I should of made it clearer.

No industry can lose that much traffic to free sites and not take a massive hit. Not just porn any product will see sales revenue plummet when 100s of millions can get it for free. These people used to buy porn, back in the day when 1,000 clicks on a link was worth $100s it's now worth $10. Assuming you can get that. I was using Nextri's figures which we might assume were him spamming his traffic. Maybe other traffic people can tell us what bulk traffic coming off a tube is worth.

And what's the chance of Mr average affiliate ever being able to afford to get into these levels of traffic? slim to none, the business has left a lot behind.

We always thought traffic was a bottomless pit and because of that the more traffic we got the more sales we made. Traffic from rich countries isn't bottomless, with buyers definitely we reached the bottom and now it's just a fight to get a sale off the other guy 99% of the time. Argue with 99% you still know what I mean.

We sell predominately to a limited number of countries. They have slowed down on new connections and most of them are not rushing online to buy porn today.

Originally Posted by NerdScott

hilarious

It would be if it wasn't heard every day and the only way for most to save their asses.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Don't be late Damian...

[epitome]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

the online porn expert, all your sites you run

Stop it. We all know Bang Bros is ran from a spare bedroom and not sweet offices on Washington in the heart of South Beach.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Don't be late Damian...

That is hilarious !!!

[nico-t]

Thanks for another repetitive thread Paul. Nobody has ever heard this same shit story before.

Are you getting senile or something? I think you just don't remember making 1000's of exactly the same threads and posts, because nobody can be this dense.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Where do you think this traffic came from?

That was my point, suppose I should of made it clearer.

No industry can lose that much traffic to free sites and not take a massive hit. Not just porn any product will see sales revenue plummet when 100s of millions can get it for free. These people used to buy porn, back in the day when 1,000 clicks on a link was worth $100s it's now worth $10. Assuming you can get that. I was using Nextri's figures which we might assume were him spamming his traffic. Maybe other traffic people can tell us what bulk traffic coming off a tube is worth.

And what's the chance of Mr average affiliate ever being able to afford to get into these levels of traffic? slim to none, the business has left a lot behind.

We always thought traffic was a bottomless pit and because of that the more traffic we got the more sales we made. Traffic from rich countries isn't bottomless, with buyers definitely we reached the bottom and now it's just a fight to get a sale off the other guy 99% of the time. Argue with 99% you still know what I mean.

We sell predominately to a limited number of countries. They have slowed down on new connections and most of them are not rushing online to buy porn today.



It would be if it wasn't heard every day and the only way for most to save their asses.

Traffic is not a bottomless pit. Not by any means. And I really don't give a fuck about what things were way back when. Totally irrelevant. What I do know is that in 2012 I can get a $30 cpm for some traffic, a $13 cpm for some traffic, and a $2 cpm for some traffic. So I just do what I need to do to make things be the way they need to be.

[Barry-xlovecam]

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So, Luke Pornwalker Tube Vader is right behind you ...

[BAKO]

STFU Paul, I make more money each year. Only idiots like u can't

[CPA37710T]

this subject is so boring already, it isnt dying, not at all... it is for those who thought their techniques were going to last forever, this is a fun business where you should stay creative all the way!

[Colmike9]

Some people think the industry is dying because the techniques and content from the 90s no longer draws in customers (except maybe micro niche..) and competition is harder..

"Adapt or die"

[AdultKing]

Paul Markham talking down the very industry that put food on his table. Who would have thought ?

[scuba steve]

Originally Posted by epitome

Stop it. We all know Bang Bros is ran from a spare bedroom and not sweet offices on Washington in the heart of South Beach.

its all smoke and mirrors

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Instead of sitting around moping every day and screaming 'the sky is falling the sky is falling' how about doing something about it? Our sites get less than 20k uniques a day and we're making a shit load more than $10.

We made double in 2010 that me made in 2009. Then we doubled that in 2011. And we're projecting that we'll be making nearly double what we made in 2011 this year.

You know what we don't do? We don't sit around crying and moaning and bitching. Yes, things are harder now than they were in 2006 when we started. But that just means we work harder now. And the end result is that, even though things are more difficult now, we're making more money now than we ever thought possible in 2006.

Create a product worth paying for, and people will pay for it. Do everything you can to protect that product and minimize the effect piracy can have on your business, and make money.

Or, just sit around bitching and moaning every day about the sky is falling in the porn industry.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by epitome

Stop it. We all know Bang Bros is ran from a spare bedroom and not sweet offices on Washington in the heart of South Beach.

Spare bedroom would be an upgrade. They are old-school.

[CaptainHowdy]

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Don't be late Damian...

[epitome]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

its all smoke and mirrors

Is this confirmation that Bang Bus isn't real?

Holy shit, this is HUGE!

[Jakez]

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Sly

Spare bedroom would be an upgrade. They are old-school.

I've heard that Jordan's office is in the second row and Steve's in the third. Amazing that together they can run so many sites.

And using Paul Markham logic, since they're the only two that pop into here, they must be the only one's in the company.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by epitome

I've heard that Jordan's office is in the second row and Steve's in the third. Amazing that together they can run so many sites from a shitty shared GPRS connection.

And using Paul Markham logic, since they're the only two that pop into here, they must be the only one's in the company.

Touched that up for ya

[Sly]

Originally Posted by epitome

I've heard that Jordan's office is in the second row and Steve's in the third. Amazing that together they can run so many sites.

And using Paul Markham logic, since they're the only two that pop into here, they must be the only one's in the company.

Of course, they don't even have a toilet.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Touched that up for ya

I was like ?????? and then I re-read it 3 times and was

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Sly

Of course, they don't even have a toilet.

Eukervoon or whatever his name is brings his girls by three times a day. They don't need a toilet.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by epitome

I was like ?????? and then I re-read it 3 times and was

I'm sneaky like that :P

[free6xtube]

I agree, stop fucking complaining and work harder, i work 16h per day 7 days aweek, i dont even have a social life and the little i have i try to relax as mutch as possible.
But I belive that there are money to make on porn, and as long people have a need for this product, then there will be money to make, just need to have a good product and they will pay.....

[Tijuana_Tom]

Originally Posted by epitome

Stop it. We all know Bang Bros is ran from a spare bedroom and not sweet offices on Washington in the heart of South Beach.

Bang Bros became a mainstream icon of the porn industry.

NOBODY has ever received that much publicity aside from Girls Gone Wild.

The content would have been extremely popular if launched today but i'd love to see and compare stats if that were to happen.

A LOT of companies who used to have badass offices have had to downscale, sell, or just shutdown.

You can't deny that.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom

Bang Bros became a mainstream icon of the porn industry.

NOBODY has ever received that much publicity aside from Girls Gone Wild.

The content would have been extremely popular if launched today but i'd love to see and compare stats if that were to happen.

A LOT of companies who used to have badass offices have had to downscale, sell, or just shutdown.

You can't deny that.

The only companies that had to do that are the one's that did not pay attention to their P&L or did not move with the market. There are companies growing and acquiring every single day and it's not just the Manwin's.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom

Bang Bros became a mainstream icon of the porn industry.

NOBODY has ever received that much publicity aside from Girls Gone Wild.

The content would have been extremely popular if launched today but i'd love to see and compare stats if that were to happen.

A LOT of companies who used to have badass offices have had to downscale, sell, or just shutdown.

You can't deny that.

Vivid. Easily the best company in the history of the industry.

[2MuchMark]

Online Porn is not dying at all. Check this out:



Go to http://google.com/trends and look up PORN or any other keyword.

In the screenshot above you can clearly see that more and more people are search for online porn.

So if more people are searching for porn, why are some people in the industry suffering?

- Tube sites and high distribution of pirated content?
- More competition?
- Poor quality content?
- Bad business practices / low personal motivation / laziness?

My guess is all of the above, and more. It's EASY to complain about the industry and easy to get discouraged, and harder to do something about it.

[scuba steve]

Originally Posted by epitome

I've heard that Jordan's office is in the second row and Steve's in the third. Amazing that together they can run so many sites.

And using Paul Markham logic, since they're the only two that pop into here, they must be the only one's in the company.

really sucks when our laptops die or the modem connection goes out. thank god miami beach has public wifi for us to do things on.

[videobunch]

Do the same thing for Adult DVD

Originally Posted by **********

Online Porn is not dying at all. Check this out:



Go to http://google.com/trends and look up PORN or any other keyword.

In the screenshot above you can clearly see that more and more people are search for online porn.

So if more people are searching for porn, why are some people in the industry suffering?

- Tube sites and high distribution of pirated content?
- More competition?
- Poor quality content?
- Bad business practices / low personal motivation / laziness?

My guess is all of the above, and more. It's EASY to complain about the industry and easy to get discouraged, and harder to do something about it.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

really sucks when our laptops die or the modem connection goes out. thank god miami beach has public wifi for us to do things on.

Laptops? Nice try. I know you two have to sit at the public library to update the sites.

The public library is no place for Internet porn. There. I said it. ... even First Amendment advocates are tired of seeing you update Haze Him from the library!

[nikki99]

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