Killing off File Lockers - Page 19 - GoFuckYourself.com

seeandsee · 07-07-2012, 08:52 AM

#901 file lockers going down

longdongsilver · 07-07-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Depositfiles are removing content within minutes of receiving DMCA notification and terminate uploader accounts.
They are also working close with content producers, giving them the means to remove uploaded content.

It's a pretty good start.

Really???? and yet the are the number 1 recommended host at planetsuzy???

trust me if they were really doing these things they would not be there.

They either all have to go or forget about it all. Can't create special rules for the big ones i'm afraid. They need to lose their billing like the rest.

No excuses for not taking these big ones out or the entire excercise is pointless, even if they did bring in some measures like this they soon get slack when the spot light is not on them any longer.

This still only works for the dmca files that are discovered and reported. That is probably around 20% or less.

19teenporn · 07-07-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

onthecrack??

What are you talking about? Just visited depositfiles and tested it out.

1. their paypal is working fine
2. they seem to have introduced extra billing options?

The other big ones seem to be working totally fine too??

How did bitshare come back?? how can you lose PP and then get it back??

When the biggest have fallen then get back to me with some crow on the menu. Until then stfu.

If they are all there in 6 months working as usual then you will get used to the notion that the big players get to do wtf they want whilst the medium to small people get crushed out. This is true in the real world and on gfy.

I get that starting with the little easy targets is good fun and seems to deliver some satisfaction, and perhaps you can set some precedents. The danger is that i guess all the traffic just flocks to the biggest ones and makes them even more of a money mine for paypal and less reason incentive close them down than ever. Also they are preparing and opening new billing options.

Fine, yes i understand it may take longer to take some of the larger ones down, but don't start with the eating crow shit until something has happened to one of them.

DF is on the radar for ak now so i would put full resources into that one, that will show there is some hope to getting rid of these lockers.

Girl, just relax. It's jun been a week!

AdultKing · 07-07-2012, 09:10 AM

@LongDongSilver. As you are obviously doing nothing yourself, stop criticizing those who are. It's been repeated over and over that we have a methodology and are following it. You are just fishing to find out, on behalf of who knows who, what we're targeting and why. Sorry dude, you are on the outside of this industry - never even heard of you before this thread - until you're on the inside then fuck off with your long rants and stupidity.

@EveryoneElse: As for donors, some people have made significant donations, I thank them, others have made smaller donations and I thank them too. Even just a word of support in this thread is enough to keep this alive.

As I have said, we're setting up a collaboration system so more people can get involved, easily report sites, help us prioritize targets, develop new strategies, manage take downs and fix phoenix sites that pop up with the same or a new processor.

Different people will have different levels of access, so we can keep top level strategy secure, people will be able to participate in their own and shared workspaces and full reporting will be available.

Initially it is invite only and some people have already offered to help, more will be needed so if you're interested fill the contact form out on www.stopfilelockers.com

We're readying for a big week this week as we have a larger number of sites ready to target and just waiting for normal business hours to resume to get the processors going on their own investigations based on the information we supply.

If file lockers thought this last week was unpleasant then next week will be pure hell for some of them

Thanks to all for the support and thanks to trolls like LongDongSilver for further motivating me. If his aim is to derail things then he's having the total opposite effect.

[As for the question of how sites get Paypal or other payment systems back the answer is simple, they just set up a new account with changed or false details. These will be killed instantly on Monday]

Far-L · 07-07-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

And meanwhile, fuck everyone else over.

I'd much prefer that Oron be dead. But then again, that's how I feel about your so called legal tubes with their legal 10 minute clips

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I wrote that before seeing the Settlement letters and I agree that pretending that Oron is legit as part of settlement is completely wrong and unethical and bad; it is wrong on so many levels and if I were a judge I would be very skeptical of CF's intentions, as that is very troll like behavior.

However, not being happy about ten minute clips posted by legit content owners is just something for you to bitch about since it is an easy way to justify your own shortcomings.

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_Lush_ · 07-07-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

these kind words.....let me have a guess...

"here is some more cash (0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the money i make from illegal files in one day) to take out my competition.. i want every last drop of traffic and you are just the moron i need to help me with that.... by the way reach under and stroke my balls whilst i push it deep in like that....thats better good boy.

the cause??????????? what is this cause?????? take down all of his sites that would be the best thing he can do for the cause i'm interested in. His cause is 'his cause' nothing more that is blindingly obvious to anyone.

Filerose?????????.... yeah quick can't let that one survive that's killing the industry. You are a shill for these big tube owners i can see this clearly now.

Thanking the flabby pest whom has nearly taken every drop of adult traffic through the use of illegal scenes playing all over his tubes and running after some nothing site.???

That fat turd owes me 700 bucks, i literally smashed my laptop into pieces after watching his keynote speech.

We didn't want to remove all the illegal full scenes from our tubes because the traffic would just go elsewhere" and then we could not profit from it

SO WE KNOW THERE ARE TONS OF ILLEGAL FULLS SCENES THAT WE COULD REMOVE AT ONCE....BUT WE WILL NOT DO IT. EVEN FILE LOCKERS CANT GET AWAY WITH SAYING THIS KIND OF SHIT.

i then expected all hell to break loose on the video... what happen next ...nothing a bunch of quivering fucking pussies sitting there being told i am choosing to butt rape you because it benefits me - so there eat shit suckers.

You are thanking the person that said that AK where are your fucking high morals now??? you total moronic fool. You would love to be a bro, your boasting about being part of this old school tie network is just the sort of thing a bro wanna be would say.

AK --- you are the either the most fucking stupid deluded tool on this planet else a shill for these tube owners. There are only 2 possibilities.

You HATE the owners of these tiny file lockers and thank the person whom has gained most from ripping other adult sites and webmasters off on this board. You have a bunch of fucking morons following you but i will not be one of them i will continue to post here with the real the real issue, this is a red herring thread to the real issues. I LOVE filelockers compared to tubes, i fucking enjoy the fact entire brazzers site rips can be found on there. If every file locker just did brazzers site rips i would have posters of file lockers logos on my bedroom walls.

People on here are gutless and moronic. Flabian and the bro's run this show, 90% on this thread are probably in their pockets.

I will not be sit here and watch the biggest culprits of copyright theft get thanked and other get on their high horse about shitty little filelockers i don't care at all that people here want to shut me up talking about tubes. I will mention them at every opportunity and insist focus upon the largest lockers cos i know these ppl will only be running those ones at the very top. File fucking rose is not one of them.

In fact any large filelocker you don't put on your site is probably one they own.

I challenge one person here to tell me that flabian and the huge tube network he runs has done less damage that fucking file rose or any other fucking file locker.

I will not praise him for helping at all. I assumed him or some other person of this ilk would be behind this entire thing anyway.

AK i was hoping to give you some kind of break , your initial self important bullshit annoyed me but then i though perhaps you had some high moral code to go with that so perhaps you were not so bad. Now with your latest post i see you have no moral code and are what i first thought, either a total self important moron or a shill for the tube bro's.

I will not let you use these people for others selfish gain. I will try to wake them up at every opportunity. I care not that they will hate me for it.

I'm sorry for my language but seriously there is something very strange and wrong with the way ppl think in this place.

+1
I could not have said this better myself. Since I started reading this escapade a week ago I was sceptical of what the real motives behind this jihad are. My personal opinion is AK is a hatchet man for a large commercial interest in this particular segment of the industry

ZeroHero · 07-07-2012, 09:45 AM

nice job sir , good luck with that !

DWB · 07-07-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

We're readying for a big week this week as we have a larger number of sites ready to target and just waiting for normal business hours to resume to get the processors going on their own investigations based on the information we supply.

I'll be stocking your cooler with Gatorade. Looking forward to another week of Hurricane AK47.

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Originally Posted by Far-L

I wrote that before seeing the Settlement letters and I agree that pretending that Oron is legit as part of settlement is completely wrong and unethical and bad; it is wrong on so many levels and if I were a judge I would be very skeptical of CF's intentions, as that is very troll like behavior.

That's where I'm at on this as well. Everyone has a right to settle for anything they want, but flat out lying to your own industry on behalf of a site that is involved in blatant illegal activity, looks really bad for Mr. Fisher, and as you said, his true intentions.

I had him pegged as one of the good guys.

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

Really???? and yet the are the number 1 recommended host at planetsuzy???

trust me if they were really doing these things they would not be there.

They either all have to go or forget about it all. Can't create special rules for the big ones i'm afraid. They need to lose their billing like the rest.

No excuses for not taking these big ones out or the entire excercise is pointless, even if they did bring in some measures like this they soon get slack when the spot light is not on them any longer.

This still only works for the dmca files that are discovered and reported. That is probably around 20% or less.

Relax, hot pants.

You're turning into another troll with all of your negative posts about AK's efforts. Please participate in a positive manner or pipe down. AK has a plan, and while I may be incorrect in thinking this, I am pretty sure he's not going to tell you what it is. So why don't you stop busting his balls and let him do what he has set out to do. Every minute he has to reply to one of your negative posts is a minute that could be used against the lockers, perhaps even used against some of the big ones you are crying about.

AdultKing · 07-07-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by _Lush_

+1
I could not have said this better myself. Since I started reading this escapade a week ago I was sceptical of what the real motives behind this jihad are. My personal opinion is AK is a hatchet man for a large commercial interest in this particular segment of the industry

I am beholden to nobody. All donations have come with no strings attached. The only promise I make is to tackle file lockers with fervor and relentless dedication.

Not a single person, Nathan/Fabian included, has provided me with any conditions upon which support was offered.

If you look at the start of this thread I was refusing financial support, I said at the time there would be accusations and look here they are. It's completely baseless that I am working for anybody.

My goal is to kill off illegal filelockers, I started a week ago and removed most funding from 21, a couple have returned with new Paypal accounts or new billers and these will be dealt with on Monday.

My longer term plans are to work on other forms of infringement. For now it's File Lockers and this will not happen overnight, some will rise again like the Phoenix from the ashes, this is why we're going to relentlessly pursue their funding and where possible upstream connectivity. It's going to take time but it's going to be done.

Three.Thousand · 07-07-2012, 10:01 AM

I couldn't care less if he has alternate motive, someone backing him, doing it for profit, yada yada, whatever.

Regardless of if it makes a tiny dent, or a massive dent, in the illegal file sharing industry, is still positive.

Anyone seeing what he does as negative, surely are on the other side of the game.

DWB · 07-07-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

these kind words.....let me have a guess...

"here is some more cash (0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the money i make from illegal files in one day) to take out my competition.. i want every last drop of traffic and you are just the moron i need to help me with that...

If you mean Manwin's donation, lets look at a few facts:

1) Manwin is not going ANYWHERE. They are only expanding. Not you or anyone else is going to stop that from happening.

2) Manwin already owns a large percentage of the online porn industry. With or without the file lockers closing, Manwin will continue to own this large percentage.

3) If Manwin donates to help rid the internet of their competition, so be it. What do you care? At least then we will only have Manwin to deal with and not 1000s other pirates.

So you are left with two options:

A) An industry where Manwin owns a large percentage of it AND we have 1000s of other pirates to deal with.

B) An industry where Manwin owns a large percentage of it and there are very few smaller pirates to deal with.

As much as I'm not a Manwin fan, I choose B. Anyone else who is a long term thinker will probably choose the same, because Manwin is here to stay.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. If that means Manwin is used to help fund the destruction of the file lockers, or even their tube competition, as fucked as a position that may be, I support it.

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

i then expected all hell to break loose on the video... what happen next ...nothing a bunch of quivering fucking pussies sitting there being told i am choosing to butt rape you because it benefits me - so there eat shit suckers.

And you did what? Cry on GFY about it? Well done mate. You sure showed them.

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

AK --- you are the either the most fucking stupid deluded tool on this planet else a shill for these tube owners.

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

I will not be sit here and watch the biggest culprits of copyright theft get thanked and other get on their high horse about shitty little filelockers i don't care at all that people here want to shut me up talking about tubes. I will mention them at every opportunity and insist focus upon the largest lockers cos i know these ppl will only be running those ones at the very top. File fucking rose is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

AK i was hoping to give you some kind of break , your initial self important bullshit annoyed me but then i though perhaps you had some high moral code to go with that so perhaps you were not so bad. Now with your latest post i see you have no moral code and are what i first thought, either a total self important moron or a shill for the tube bro's.

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

I will not let you use these people for others selfish gain. I will try to wake them up at every opportunity. I care not that they will hate me for it.

Looking forward to your ban. I have a feeling it's coming soon.

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Originally Posted by _Lush_

+1
I could not have said this better myself. Since I started reading this escapade a week ago I was sceptical of what the real motives behind this jihad are. My personal opinion is AK is a hatchet man for a large commercial interest in this particular segment of the industry

AK is not a hatchet man for anyone. He's just doing what should have been done a long time ago. Any one of you are free to do the same thing he is doing. So put up or shut up.

AdultKing · 07-07-2012, 10:06 AM

I just want Monday to come so I can kill off more of these sites payment processing!

DWB · 07-07-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Three.Thousand

I couldn't care less if he has alternate motive, someone backing him, doing it for profit, yada yada, whatever.

Regardless of if it makes a tiny dent, or a massive dent, in the illegal file sharing industry, is still positive.

Anyone seeing what he does as negative, surely are on the other side of the game.

Brilliantly said.

19teenporn · 07-07-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I just want Monday to come so I can kill off more of these sites payment processing!

Can't wait!

Support 100% unconditional

johnnyloadproductions · 07-07-2012, 10:15 AM

I'm curious at this and maybe one of you can answer.

So I went to check out how the file lockers are doing and what they were doing for the site pornrip.org (now site-rip.org) and found that all the links redirect to the sign up for a premium, of course under the referral of the infringer. It never said if the files were available or not it just redirects to sign up. I registered a free account for extabit and it did the same thing when logged in, still tells me to sign up for premium.

Both netload.in and extabit.com are doing this.

so...

Does this mean they're preventing any DMCAs from occurring and only letting premium members see links?

They are doing everything they can right now to get a few sign ups apparently.

_Lush_ · 07-07-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I am beholden to nobody. All donations have come with no strings attached. The only promise I make is to tackle file lockers with fervor and relentless dedication.

Not a single person, Nathan/Fabian included, has provided me with any conditions upon which support was offered.

Well human nature makes it inherently difficult to go against others who are in support of us. When corporations make huge donations to political candidates they overtly do so with no strings attached but both parties know what time it is and those companies usually get favors or special treatment in return.

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

If you look at the start of this thread I was refusing financial support, I said at the time there would be accusations and look here they are. It's completely baseless that I am working for anybody.

I never stated I knew for a fact that is the case. I just stated that my gut is telling me that this thing seems curious and I am at this time sceptical at the very least.

After reading MikeSouths blog this morning I suppose if you openly went after uploading.com(if they are violating copyrights) with as strong a fervor as you have against some of these sites nobody has heard of I would change my opinion.

longdongsilver · 07-07-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

If you mean Manwin's donation, lets look at a few facts:

1) Manwin is not going ANYWHERE. They are only expanding. Not you or anyone else is going to stop that from happening.

2) Manwin already owns a large percentage of the online porn industry. With or without the file lockers closing, Manwin will continue to own this large percentage.

3) If Manwin donates to help rid the internet of their competition, so be it. What do you care? At least then we will only have Manwin to deal with and not 1000s other pirates.

So you are left with two options:

A) An industry where Manwin owns a large percentage of it AND we have 1000s of other pirates to deal with.

B) An industry where Manwin owns a large percentage of it and there are very few smaller pirates to deal with.

As much as I'm not a Manwin fan, I choose B. Anyone else who is a long term thinker will probably choose the same, because Manwin is here to stay.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. If that means Manwin is used to help fund the destruction of the file lockers, or even their tube competition, as fucked as a position that may be, I support it.

And you did what? Cry on GFY about it? Well done mate. You sure showed them.

Looking forward to your ban. I have a feeling it's coming soon.

AK is not a hatchet man for anyone. He's just doing what should have been done a long time ago. Any one of you are free to do the same thing he is doing. So put up or shut up.

Well, i care nothing about your desire for my ban.

You choose B - WHY??

It makes no sense at all, infact i hate B the most. I'd rather some poor indians have some of it if their share is only going to go to a huge company that has already caused so much damage.

The fact you support this even though you know it to be fucked up is a insane thing to say.

It is much easier to smash a bunch of little players than one big one. Since when they are big they make the rules and act for themselves only there efforts are obviously in sync because they act for 1 interest only.

These little shits act individually have no coordinated efforts and don't get to make the rules.

The reason the big players dont like these litlte shits is cos it's gradually eating them away the only way possible to take them down a peg or two.

Your reasoning is not something i can follow. I do not dislike you but i do think you should stfu about me getting banned just because i don't agree with letting a 1000lb gorilla turn into 2000lb gorilla like you obviously do.

Why should i be banned for telling truth? I care not about sugar coating this for you to read.

I have only just reached my breaking point over this shit, and yes i was not at keynote, however at least i am saying now on this board that i am sick and tired of this shit, and i fucking accept that we have been beaten by these ppl. HOwever fuck off will i sit here and let them be praised and come here spouting bullshit about helping us and how bad others are that do less harm are.

If you want to shut me up then i want you to explain in a coherent way why i should and so far i do not accept your reasons. Option B is not one i will vote for sorry.

inthecrack · 07-07-2012, 10:33 AM

AK you are obviously going after the file lockers that have CP and affiliate programs because these are the easiest to catch. Just curious to know if we can reasonably expect that you can cut off other file lockers that only have tons of copyright content and no affiliate program?

AdultKing · 07-07-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by inthecrack

AK you are obviously going after the file lockers that have CP and affiliate programs because these are the easiest to catch. Just curious to know if we can reasonably expect that you can cut off other file lockers that only have tons of copyright content and no affiliate program?

As I keep saying until I am blue in the face, I'm not giving away who will or will not be targeted. The bad guys are reading this thread.

I will say this, a site without CP and without affiliates will be targeted if it does not have adequate processes and timely takedown action implemented.

People keep focussing on the CP. It's largely co-incidental that the ones we looked at first had CP , so we used that. It was never a deliberate strategy to get attention. We have focussed as much on pirate software and porn.

Paul Markham · 07-07-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Clearly Oron's legal team sees differently, otherwise they would never sign on to this agreement.

The real question is what will hold more weight in the eyes of a future jury, Corbin Fisher's original allegations, or their post settlement sweet talk?

That is where things will get real interesting.
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Will the information be only for Corbin Fisher's use or will it be for anyone to use?

I agree with you about the value of the information, far better than a settlement. No more relying on only an IP address.

Some people will be getting some interesting letters in the future.

Now the question is, when this is shown to work profitably who else will start looking at it as a cash cow? Like so many say, rinse and repeat.

I have something I'm doing on the side and away from AK47's approach and yes donated.

FoxtrotAlpha · 07-07-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I will say this, a site without CP and without affiliates will be targeted if it does not have adequate processes and timely takedown action implemented.

What do you class as 'timely'? Because every single filehost has some crappy DMCA page they copy-pasted and never read. They will all take down files which get reported.

The ones which don't pay uploaders aren't so bad, they are professional corporations which follow the law strictly and remove all reported content. Every filehost which pays, however, should be removed indefinitely.

AdultKing · 07-07-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotAlpha

What do you class as 'timely'? Because every single filehost has some crappy DMCA page they copy-pasted and never read. They will all take down files which get reported.

The ones which don't pay uploaders aren't so bad, they are professional corporations which follow the law strictly and remove all reported content. Every filehost which pays, however, should be removed indefinitely.

Timely is 24 hours or less in my opinion. Every file host that pays is being targeted without discrimination. Nobody will download 1000 copies of my mothers birthday party video but they will download thousands of copies of Avatar, so if you're an uploader what do you upload ? Avatar of course. Those sites suck and can be whacked in my opinion.

There's a deliberate strategy in place and while some people may say why not go after site xyz, we might be going after site xyz already but I'm not going to comment on it.

All strategy and targets will remain confidential. Targets will be revealed post action in most cases. Some serious offenders are publicly identified on the blog prior , but again with a strategy in mind that I am not going into here.

DWB · 07-07-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

Well, i care nothing about your desire for my ban.

You choose B - WHY??

It makes no sense at all, infact i hate B the most. I'd rather some poor indians have some of it if their share is only going to go to a huge company that has already caused so much damage.

The fact you support this even though you know it to be fucked up is a insane thing to say.

It is much easier to smash a bunch of little players than one big one. Since when they are big they make the rules and act for themselves only there efforts are obviously in sync because they act for 1 interest only.

These little shits act individually have no coordinated efforts and don't get to make the rules.

The reason the big players dont like these litlte shits is cos it's gradually eating them away the only way possible to take them down a peg or two.

Your reasoning is not something i can follow. I do not dislike you but i do think you should stfu about me getting banned just because i don't agree with letting a 1000lb gorilla turn into 2000lb gorilla like you obviously do.

I choose B because no matter what you do, Manwin still exists. They win either way and they have set themselves up in a position to come out on top. So I choose to have LESS pirates, even if it means it's partially (or even fully) funded by another pirate.

To choose A means you want more pirates. Because Manwin will not be going anywhere. So AK can either take their money to help kill off some of the other pirates, and Manwin wins. Or he doesn't take their money, and Manwin wins. Like I said, I'm for whatever option gets the job done and gets rid of the most pirates. That choice is B.

And you KNOW we're in a serious quagmire for me to choose to stand by Manwin when it comes to fighting piracy. But that's the position we are in.

In regards to it being easier to deal with all the little shits, you are wrong. I've been dealing with the little shits for years, and it's whack a mole. You take a large one down and all the little ones get their traffic and customers. So you have to get rid of the little guys first, and that is what AK is going, which is something none of us have been able to do before in such numbers. It also hones his skills to be better at taking on larger ones.

He is not a shill for anyone. If anyone is a shill, it is the organization the industry has been pumping money into for years with no return on their investment. Target them if you want to fuck with someone, but leave AK, he is making real progress, even if you are unable to see the large picture.

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Originally Posted by longdongsilver

Why should i be banned for telling truth? I care not about sugar coating this for you to read.

No one should ever be banned for telling the truth. But the truth is not what you are telling, and you're trying to derail and discredit AK.

Start your own thread about it if you must. Open it to a new debate. But intentionally fucking with AK and these threads is just the wrong thing to do.

If you are trying to cause problems for the only guy who is making ANY real progress against piracy, then you should be banned. If you want to have an intelligent conversation like the rest of us, please do so. But your posts in this thread are not very helpful or positive, and it seems you are set on trying to harm AK's efforts.

longdongsilver · 07-07-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I choose B because no matter what you do, Manwin still exists. They win either way and they have set themselves up in a position to come out on top. So I choose to have LESS pirates, even if it means it's partially (or even fully) funded by another pirate.

To choose A means you want more pirates. Because Manwin will not be going anywhere. So AK can either take their money to help kill off some of the other pirates, and Manwin wins. Or he doesn't take their money, and Manwin wins. Like I said, I'm for whatever option gets the job done and gets rid of the most pirates. That choice is B.

And you KNOW we're in a serious quagmire for me to choose to stand by Manwin when it comes to fighting piracy. But that's the position we are in.

In regards to it being easier to deal with all the little shits, you are wrong. I've been dealing with the little shits for years, and it's whack a mole. You take a large one down and all the little ones get their traffic and customers. So you have to get rid of the little guys first, and that is what AK is going, which is something none of us have been able to do before in such numbers. It also hones his skills to be better at taking on larger ones.

He is not a shill for anyone. If anyone is a shill, it is the organization the industry has been pumping money into for years with no return on their investment. Target them if you want to fuck with someone, but leave AK, he is making real progress, even if you are unable to see the large picture.

No one should ever be banned for telling the truth. But the truth is not what you are telling, and you're trying to derail and discredit AK.

Start your own thread about it if you must. Open it to a new debate. But intentionally fucking with AK and these threads is just the wrong thing to do.

If you are trying to cause problems for the only guy who is making ANY real progress against piracy, then you should be banned. If you want to have an intelligent conversation like the rest of us, please do so. But your posts in this thread are not very helpful or positive, and it seems you are set on trying to harm AK's efforts.

Well, let's just agree to disagree then. I want the truth nothing more.

I think B is worse, if you have all the traffic from lockers flooding to tubes and a few remaining lockers in the hands of one group or select group i see no advantage.

I just see them becoming more untouchable. Whack a mole gives some satisfaction, whack a 2000lb gorilla and see what happens.

Also these little ones do eat away at the power of one big one eventually and have no singular interest.

Of course all of them gone would be best.

I will not post here again for some time, let's see what happens like you say.

If AK finishes this job and starts stopthetubes i will eat crow even feast upon it gladly.

If he turns out in long run to be a shill then i'll be far more sorry - you can be sure.

AdultKing · 07-07-2012, 11:36 AM

4.30am here. I'll be back online during tomorrow. We'll keep working on the collaboration system tomorrow and have announcements regarding the hotline early next week.

There are a stack of reports and reviews of sites who have re-instated Paypal against the Paypal TOS which will be sent off Monday. We're also sending a stack off to Mastercard/Visa for compliance action.

See you all in about 8 hours.

edit: If you've emailed, submitted on the website form or ICQ'd and I haven't got back to you yet please be assured that I will. I've been bombarded with mails and took most of Saturday off.

FoxtrotAlpha · 07-07-2012, 12:00 PM

From the point of view of a content owner, it makes sense to want all the small ones gone, even if that increases the power and size of the 'big fish'. It sounds logical because you'd have removed many, many filehosts.

However, having such logic means you're completely ignoring the fact that the already-large ones will become even larger, even harder to take down and even more full of pirated content.

In which case, was it really worth removing only the small ones and allowing the big ones to grow?

Why not put all effort into removing the larger filehosts instead?

The rest will panic and hide, removing all of their affiliate programs, slowly dying off. The exact same thing happened when megaupload was taken down, all of the paying filehosts immediately stopped all payments and eventually died off.

CurrentlySober · 07-07-2012, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxtrotAlpha

Why not put all effort into removing the larger filehosts instead?

Cause its a marathon - Not a sprint.

AlexShark · 07-07-2012, 12:15 PM

Seriously I wanna know... has any one seen an increase in sales (other than the resellers of the file hosting sites that lost their PayPal) ?

RegUser · 07-07-2012, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexShark

Seriously I wanna know... has any one seen an increase in sales (other than the resellers of the file hosting sites that lost their PayPal) ?

baby, the party has just begun!

FoxtrotAlpha · 07-07-2012, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Cause its a marathon - Not a sprint.

Indeed, I don't disagree with that, well said.

I just think it could be a better idea to concentrate efforts on at least the 'medium fish' rather than the 'small fish' (e.g. rapidgator.net, not filerose.com).

To be honest though, I want them all dead so I guess the order is irrelevant.

AlexShark · 07-07-2012, 12:34 PM

Mediafire CP

Mediafire Warez

Mediafire Porn

Rapidshare CP

Rapidshare Warez

Rapidshare Porn

They supposed to be the serious ones I guess

AlexShark · 07-07-2012, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RegUser

baby, the party has just begun!

Keep dreaming

Slappin Fish · 07-07-2012, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxtrotAlpha

Indeed, I don't disagree with that, well said.

I just think it could be a better idea to concentrate efforts on at least the 'medium fish' rather than the 'small fish' (e.g. rapidgator.net, not filerose.com).

To be honest though, I want them all dead so I guess the order is irrelevant.

Some of these "medium fish" have lost their paypal too (e.g. Extabit)

mikesouth · 07-07-2012, 01:01 PM

From a tactical standpoint going after the pawns first is the smarter move targeting a big battle without first winning some smaller ones is just a hail mary move.

yes it may sometimes work but Sun Tzu wouldnt recommend it ;)

Keep doing what yer doing AK

Fabian...pay attention son....

FoxtrotAlpha · 07-07-2012, 01:04 PM

Oh I didn't realise extabit lost their paypal, that's excellent news.

It would be extremely nice to see rapidgator go down though, they are one of the big 'medium fish', the one most uploaders use to earn from.

As for the 'serious ones', AlexShark:

Largest = the professionals, e.g. rapidshare, filefactory, mediafire, they all have actual corporations behind them and lawyers. These deal with piracy as required and do not fund pirates.

Largest Paying = rapidgator.net, fiberupload.com, shareflare.net, extabit.com, letitbit.net (owns shareflare) and a few more. They are run by unprofessional individuals or shady partnerships. Some in the past have ended up being owned 'secretly' by legitimate internet companies.

Going after the professionals would be pointless, they aren't really causing as much damage actually, they know about the piracy and work to remove it. The unprofessional ones, the paying ones, directly advertise to pirates and pay them.

So yeah, go after the paying hosts.

Slappin Fish · 07-07-2012, 01:09 PM

Another biggie who lost their paypal is Turbobit, at one point along with DF they were the ones whose links I came across the most.

19teenporn · 07-07-2012, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxtrotAlpha

Why not put all effort into removing the larger filehosts instead?

Why don't you do it?
Go ahead, kill the larger ones yourself and show us how big of a smatass you are.

Or STFU and go back to wjunction.

FoxtrotAlpha · 07-07-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Why don't you do it?
Go ahead, kill the larger ones yourself and show us how big of a smatass you are.

Or STFU and go back to wjunction.

No need to get hostile or insult me, I was just wondering.
Just trying to discuss here, they were only suggestions/questions.

I apologise if I came across negatively, I didn't mean to...

DWB · 07-07-2012, 02:16 PM

Content owners, would you rather send DMCAs to 100s of sites, or just a few?

I'd rather centralize and compartmentalize piracy so I can knock out what I have to do faster, instead of chasing down resellers and tons of little piss ant sites.

DWB · 07-07-2012, 02:20 PM

And honestly, who are any of us to try to tell him how to do anything? He's getting shit done and some of you are just complaining about it.

Unless someone is willing to step up and do the same as he is (aint gonna happen), we should just let him do what he is doing.

CurrentlySober · 07-07-2012, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

And honestly, who are any of us to try to tell him how to do anything? He's getting shit done and some of you are just complaining about it.

Unless someone is willing to step up and do the same as he is (aint gonna happen), we should just let him do what he is doing.

Amen......

FoxtrotAlpha · 07-07-2012, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

Content owners, would you rather send DMCAs to 100s of sites, or just a few?

I'd rather centralize and compartmentalize piracy so I can knock out what I have to do faster, instead of chasing down resellers and tons of little piss ant sites.

True, you have a good point there, a very good point.

Also, in terms of actual take downs, if anyone wanted to drastically reduce worldwide spam, piracy and hacking, just take down ecatel. Almost every large piracy-related site hosted in the netherlands is hosted with ecatel and most of their IPs are spamlisted. The smaller ones and others go with leaseweb.

Ecatel are very well known for claiming to be a 'bulletproof provider', just like mccolo was before it got taken down.

19teenporn · 07-07-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

And honestly, who are any of us to try to tell him how to do anything? He's getting shit done and some of you are just complaining about it.

Unless someone is willing to step up and do the same as he is (aint gonna happen), we should just let him do what he is doing.

Exactly. Ain't gonna happen.

There's actually ONE guy who does something, and his posts get bombarded with assholes insulting him, making fun of him, telling him how to do things and more.

And they are all his colleagues, who all the time are crying about piracy..

Fucking pathetic motherfuckers...

pr0phet · 07-07-2012, 04:30 PM

I do see the slippery slope but jesus christ he is doing something at least

AdultKing · 07-07-2012, 06:40 PM

Good morning all, it's 11.30am here and I had a bit of a sleep in, bless!

I've read through the questions and comments.

I started this a little over a week ago now, 5 business days in fact. In that time I have been learning as I went. Now all the procedures are in place, other people are helping and contributing and precedents have been set then we can go after larger ones.

However understand this. It is probably around 20 man hours of work to compile an adequate report for the card companies on a big site, whereas for a smaller one it's about 6 hours on average.

What you see on Stop File Lockers is a small peephole into the evidence we collect, then have to analyse, collate and then report on. It's a time intensive task.

Visa and Mastercard will not deal with 'hey this site contains this go get em'. We need comprehensive evidence and then when they get that evidence they do their own investigations.

Paypal are a bit easier and quicker because they have full control over all aspects of their system, they also do their own thorough investigations which are much more comprehensive than anything we do. Paypal are acting really quickly considering the work involved in shutting down a non complying merchant.

I guess the point I am making is that this is a time intensive task to do properly. We cannot afford to fire and miss. We have to be sure that we are on target every time. So we do comprehensively gather details and report them as much as we can. Then it's ultimately up to the processors to investigate and make their own decisions.

Paypal, Mastercard, Visa and all the other processors DO NOT share customer information with us. It's one way all the way. They accept our information, thank us and then that's it.

On the subject of Paypal......

Just an update (on a Sunday no less) three file lockers which re-instated Paypal with new accounts or accounts they had on ice just in case are now in the process of having those accounts terminated again. We do keep an eye on them once terminated and are quick to deal with them.

Thanks everyone for your support and thanks to the haters for encouraging us to work even harder.

AdultKing · 07-07-2012, 07:54 PM

Updates. FileRose.com and FileDefend.com switched in new Paypal accounts for premium membership payments. We killed them too. On a Sunday!

FileDefend Update:

http://stopfilelockers.com/filedefen...soft-software/

FileRose Update:

http://stopfilelockers.com/filerose-...ell-so-good-2/

anexsia · 07-08-2012, 12:07 AM

It's fucking hilarious reading some of the comments on the articles at http://stopfilelockers.com, the people defending the file lockers can't even write a coherent sentence.

"Thank you for the suggestion will the best therapy for me is to see my fist in ur eyes and to see this crap you have maked go down I didn?t play Football or Games I Play always Bodybuilding so don?t ever let me catch u on the street if u understand !"

lol what?????

Nautilus · 07-08-2012, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Updates. FileRose.com and FileDefend.com switched in new Paypal accounts for premium membership payments.

Your "pals" at filemates did that too.

AdultKing · 07-08-2012, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Your "pals" at filemates did that too.

Yep, we're working on it.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-08-2012, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anexsia

It's fucking hilarious reading some of the comments on the articles at http://stopfilelockers.com, the people defending the file lockers can't even write a coherent sentence.

"Thank you for the suggestion will the best therapy for me is to see my fist in ur eyes and to see this crap you have maked go down I didn?t play Football or Games I Play always Bodybuilding so don?t ever let me catch u on the street if u understand !"

lol what?????

Upload monkeys aren't exactly known for their literary skills.
.

07-07-2012, 08:52 AM	#901
seeandsee Check SIG! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe (Skype: gojkoas) Posts: 50,945	#901 file lockers going down __________________ BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year Contact here

07-07-2012, 09:10 AM	#904
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	@LongDongSilver. As you are obviously doing nothing yourself, stop criticizing those who are. It's been repeated over and over that we have a methodology and are following it. You are just fishing to find out, on behalf of who knows who, what we're targeting and why. Sorry dude, you are on the outside of this industry - never even heard of you before this thread - until you're on the inside then fuck off with your long rants and stupidity. @EveryoneElse: As for donors, some people have made significant donations, I thank them, others have made smaller donations and I thank them too. Even just a word of support in this thread is enough to keep this alive. As I have said, we're setting up a collaboration system so more people can get involved, easily report sites, help us prioritize targets, develop new strategies, manage take downs and fix phoenix sites that pop up with the same or a new processor. Different people will have different levels of access, so we can keep top level strategy secure, people will be able to participate in their own and shared workspaces and full reporting will be available. Initially it is invite only and some people have already offered to help, more will be needed so if you're interested fill the contact form out on www.stopfilelockers.com We're readying for a big week this week as we have a larger number of sites ready to target and just waiting for normal business hours to resume to get the processors going on their own investigations based on the information we supply. If file lockers thought this last week was unpleasant then next week will be pure hell for some of them Thanks to all for the support and thanks to trolls like LongDongSilver for further motivating me. If his aim is to derail things then he's having the total opposite effect. [As for the question of how sites get Paypal or other payment systems back the answer is simple, they just set up a new account with changed or false details. These will be killed instantly on Monday] Last edited by AdultKing; 07-07-2012 at 09:11 AM..

07-07-2012, 10:33 AM	#918
inthecrack Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 533	AK you are obviously going after the file lockers that have CP and affiliate programs because these are the easiest to catch. Just curious to know if we can reasonably expect that you can cut off other file lockers that only have tons of copyright content and no affiliate program? __________________ High on crack. www.inthecrack.com

07-07-2012, 11:36 AM	#925
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	4.30am here. I'll be back online during tomorrow. We'll keep working on the collaboration system tomorrow and have announcements regarding the hotline early next week. There are a stack of reports and reviews of sites who have re-instated Paypal against the Paypal TOS which will be sent off Monday. We're also sending a stack off to Mastercard/Visa for compliance action. See you all in about 8 hours. edit: If you've emailed, submitted on the website form or ICQ'd and I haven't got back to you yet please be assured that I will. I've been bombarded with mails and took most of Saturday off. Last edited by AdultKing; 07-07-2012 at 11:38 AM..

07-07-2012, 12:15 PM	#928
AlexShark Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 476	Seriously I wanna know... has any one seen an increase in sales (other than the resellers of the file hosting sites that lost their PayPal) ? __________________

07-07-2012, 09:45 AM	#907
ZeroHero So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Westbahnhof Posts: 15,336	nice job sir , good luck with that !

07-07-2012, 10:01 AM	#910
Three.Thousand Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 287	I couldn't care less if he has alternate motive, someone backing him, doing it for profit, yada yada, whatever. Regardless of if it makes a tiny dent, or a massive dent, in the illegal file sharing industry, is still positive. Anyone seeing what he does as negative, surely are on the other side of the game.

07-07-2012, 10:06 AM	#912
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	I just want Monday to come so I can kill off more of these sites payment processing!

07-07-2012, 10:15 AM	#915
johnnyloadproductions Account Shutdown Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Gone Posts: 3,611	I'm curious at this and maybe one of you can answer. So I went to check out how the file lockers are doing and what they were doing for the site pornrip.org (now site-rip.org) and found that all the links redirect to the sign up for a premium, of course under the referral of the infringer. It never said if the files were available or not it just redirects to sign up. I registered a free account for extabit and it did the same thing when logged in, still tells me to sign up for premium. Both netload.in and extabit.com are doing this. so... Does this mean they're preventing any DMCAs from occurring and only letting premium members see links? They are doing everything they can right now to get a few sign ups apparently.

07-07-2012, 12:00 PM	#926
FoxtrotAlpha Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 104	From the point of view of a content owner, it makes sense to want all the small ones gone, even if that increases the power and size of the 'big fish'. It sounds logical because you'd have removed many, many filehosts. However, having such logic means you're completely ignoring the fact that the already-large ones will become even larger, even harder to take down and even more full of pirated content. In which case, was it really worth removing only the small ones and allowing the big ones to grow? Why not put all effort into removing the larger filehosts instead? The rest will panic and hide, removing all of their affiliate programs, slowly dying off. The exact same thing happened when megaupload was taken down, all of the paying filehosts immediately stopped all payments and eventually died off.

07-07-2012, 12:34 PM	#931
AlexShark Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 476	Mediafire CP Mediafire Warez Mediafire Porn Rapidshare CP Rapidshare Warez Rapidshare Porn They supposed to be the serious ones I guess __________________

07-07-2012, 01:01 PM	#934
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	From a tactical standpoint going after the pawns first is the smarter move targeting a big battle without first winning some smaller ones is just a hail mary move. yes it may sometimes work but Sun Tzu wouldnt recommend it ;) Keep doing what yer doing AK Fabian...pay attention son.... __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz. Last edited by mikesouth; 07-07-2012 at 01:02 PM..

07-07-2012, 01:04 PM	#935
FoxtrotAlpha Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 104	Oh I didn't realise extabit lost their paypal, that's excellent news. It would be extremely nice to see rapidgator go down though, they are one of the big 'medium fish', the one most uploaders use to earn from. As for the 'serious ones', AlexShark: Largest = the professionals, e.g. rapidshare, filefactory, mediafire, they all have actual corporations behind them and lawyers. These deal with piracy as required and do not fund pirates. Largest Paying = rapidgator.net, fiberupload.com, shareflare.net, extabit.com, letitbit.net (owns shareflare) and a few more. They are run by unprofessional individuals or shady partnerships. Some in the past have ended up being owned 'secretly' by legitimate internet companies. Going after the professionals would be pointless, they aren't really causing as much damage actually, they know about the piracy and work to remove it. The unprofessional ones, the paying ones, directly advertise to pirates and pay them. So yeah, go after the paying hosts.

07-07-2012, 01:09 PM	#936
Slappin Fish Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,512	Another biggie who lost their paypal is Turbobit, at one point along with DF they were the ones whose links I came across the most.

07-07-2012, 02:16 PM	#939
DWB Giggity Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: S.E. Asia Posts: 31,779	Content owners, would you rather send DMCAs to 100s of sites, or just a few? I'd rather centralize and compartmentalize piracy so I can knock out what I have to do faster, instead of chasing down resellers and tons of little piss ant sites.

07-07-2012, 02:20 PM	#940
DWB Giggity Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: S.E. Asia Posts: 31,779	And honestly, who are any of us to try to tell him how to do anything? He's getting shit done and some of you are just complaining about it. Unless someone is willing to step up and do the same as he is (aint gonna happen), we should just let him do what he is doing.

07-07-2012, 04:30 PM	#944
pr0phet Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,041	I do see the slippery slope but jesus christ he is doing something at least __________________ Pr0phet

07-07-2012, 06:40 PM	#945
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	Good morning all, it's 11.30am here and I had a bit of a sleep in, bless! I've read through the questions and comments. I started this a little over a week ago now, 5 business days in fact. In that time I have been learning as I went. Now all the procedures are in place, other people are helping and contributing and precedents have been set then we can go after larger ones. However understand this. It is probably around 20 man hours of work to compile an adequate report for the card companies on a big site, whereas for a smaller one it's about 6 hours on average. What you see on Stop File Lockers is a small peephole into the evidence we collect, then have to analyse, collate and then report on. It's a time intensive task. Visa and Mastercard will not deal with 'hey this site contains this go get em'. We need comprehensive evidence and then when they get that evidence they do their own investigations. Paypal are a bit easier and quicker because they have full control over all aspects of their system, they also do their own thorough investigations which are much more comprehensive than anything we do. Paypal are acting really quickly considering the work involved in shutting down a non complying merchant. I guess the point I am making is that this is a time intensive task to do properly. We cannot afford to fire and miss. We have to be sure that we are on target every time. So we do comprehensively gather details and report them as much as we can. Then it's ultimately up to the processors to investigate and make their own decisions. Paypal, Mastercard, Visa and all the other processors DO NOT share customer information with us. It's one way all the way. They accept our information, thank us and then that's it. On the subject of Paypal...... Just an update (on a Sunday no less) three file lockers which re-instated Paypal with new accounts or accounts they had on ice just in case are now in the process of having those accounts terminated again. We do keep an eye on them once terminated and are quick to deal with them. Thanks everyone for your support and thanks to the haters for encouraging us to work even harder.

07-07-2012, 07:54 PM	#946
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	Updates. FileRose.com and FileDefend.com switched in new Paypal accounts for premium membership payments. We killed them too. On a Sunday! FileDefend Update: http://stopfilelockers.com/filedefen...soft-software/ FileRose Update: http://stopfilelockers.com/filerose-...ell-so-good-2/

07-08-2012, 12:07 AM	#947
anexsia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,735	It's fucking hilarious reading some of the comments on the articles at http://stopfilelockers.com, the people defending the file lockers can't even write a coherent sentence. "Thank you for the suggestion will the best therapy for me is to see my fist in ur eyes and to see this crap you have maked go down I didn?t play Football or Games I Play always Bodybuilding so don?t ever let me catch u on the street if u understand !" lol what?????