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SKUP · 09-06-2012, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

I must say I'm getting confused. Some posts seems to be popping up where they did not appear before, and that last quote by Krylon seems to be a quote but I don't see where from.

Any way.

Regarding the whois information, I am able to speak for that also.

FileShoppe is owned by the same guys who own HostHongKong, which is owned by Clive Rand. Host Hong Kong is obviously a webhosting provide that also registers domain names.

That being said, we, and by we I mean Clive, HostHongKong, FileShoppe and Carrot have no connection to Pornbb.org. The only connection that may exist between Clive and other 'illicit' third parties may be that of PhazeDDL, which was hosted by HostHongKong around 7 years ago.

Host Hong Kong does not host warez sites, and you are encouraged to 'look it up' if you like.

Oh and you have probably already guessed that Clive and Ricky, are related.

And I belief in Santa

DWB · 09-06-2012, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SKUP

Pure accidently I came across a site called domaintools and I think this site must be fake. Why? Well look:

First I checked on carrot.org, Registrant name is Ricky Rand.
Then I checked on fileshoppe.net: Registrant name is Clive Rand.
Then my mouse went crazy and I ended up at pornbb.org: Registrants name is Clive Rand.

Well, this must all be some stupid coincidence. Don?t you think?

Owwwww btw. We have a dossier on pornbb.org and we noticed we have information from domaintools (taken in July 2012) which is now blocked. If you go to domaintools you won?t find Clive?s name. But we have a screenprint.

Owwwww btw.
Phone number of Clive Rand from fileshoppe.net is: + 852.26969244
Phone number of Ricky Rand from carrot.org is: : + 852.26969244

And: the domain pornbb.org is for sale (just like girlscanner.com a while back ;-).

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 03:23 AM

I really do not see the connection between Pornbb and Clive Rand/HostHongKong. They were never in business together... Unless the guys who owned PhazeDDL also owned PornBB?

In any case, the relationship with PhazeDDL was many MANY years ago! And said relationship was that of web hosting provider.

Besides, what difference does any of this make if FileShoppe is offering a facility to remove files from our servers for authorized anti-piracy organizations?

From what I gather, it is a problem in the entertainment industry, particular of adult nature. This facility will help resolve current problems and discourage further occurrences. I am here as a representative to inform you all that this facility is available should you need it. If it is no of interest to the members of this forum, that is fine. I will leave.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 03:31 AM

Let me pose another question.

Let us suppose a file host, which is used for share popular copyright material wants to turn a new leaf and TAKE DOWN PIRACY. Would you not want to be able to do so?

We strongly reject that our services are used for piracy, and our whole business model makes it unattractive to engage in such activities. But in anticipation of abuse of our services, and in order to preserve a reputation, such a facility is being available so that copyright holders need not worry that we are willing to cooperate to the fullest extent.

Why are people so sceptical? To what end would we do this if not to help?

notjoe · 09-06-2012, 03:41 AM

They couldn't care. They will target any file host they want whether they're legitimate or not. AK has previously stated that he would be going after those which provide incentives for people to upload pirated content (AKA Affiliate programs) but it looks like he has done another flip-flop.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 03:48 AM

Hello NotJoe,

That definitely seems to be the case here. No affiliate program, very little content (let alone copyright content) yet he targeted us just the same. And that of our payment gateway.

I thought coming here and offering cooperation would help alleviate some tension, but so far it seems mostly scepticism. Oh well. Will check back in a few hours. See what other say.

notjoe · 09-06-2012, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Hello NotJoe,

That definitely seems to be the case here. No affiliate program, very little content (let alone copyright content) yet he targeted us just the same. And that of our payment gateway.

I thought coming here and offering cooperation would help alleviate some tension, but so far it seems mostly scepticism. Oh well. Will check back in a few hours. See what other say.

Don't take my comment as meaning you haven't done anything wrong or that you don't upload content in-house to promote your site. I really don't know what he has found or the connections that have been made between companies but if everything is as you say it is then I'd disagree with his actions against your site. However, if you've been populating content yourself, in hopes to sell memberships, then you got what was coming.

AdultKing · 09-06-2012, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Hello AdultKing,

Would you care to enlighten us by providing us some links where copyright material can be downloaded?

Sure, hows this for starters ?

Anal Virgins 3 (2012) DVD Rip

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/d.../AV3.part1.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/u.../AV3.part2.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/8.../AV3.part3.rar

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Regarding the recruitment of loaders, WJunction is not an exclusively engaged in illicit activities. Not to mention, many web hosts (forget file hosts) advertise and promote their services there. They also have a number of representatives from respected legitimate payment gateways such as 2CO.

True but there are also an equal number of DDL sites, File Lockers, Piracy Sites, Warez Sites and so on.

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We have never solicited the use of our service to share copyright material, and we do not encourage it as is evident by the fact we DO NOT offer a reward program for sharing. We have no PPD or PPS and we have a clear take down procedure and E-Mail address of which to use. In the 14 months of opperation, we have received a total of 0 (yes ZERO) take down requests, because we are NOT used for file sharing. And why would we be used for file sharing? There's no reward for such use!

Completely untrue. Doesn't the uploader get a cut from each micropayment ?

That's financial incentive.

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And what 'Carrot arrangement' do you speak of exactly? And what other blow do speak of? Contacting paypal to report unrelated payapl accounts perhaps?

We don't reveal operational matters, you'll find out when everyone else in this thread does.

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Finally, in my E-Mail to you a few days ago, I offered you, and organizations that fight your cause, a system to remove content yourselves. We would be happy to authorize anti-piracy organizations and large copyright holders a facility to simply login and remove content.

Will you provide us with the full data set of uploaders found to be uploading infringing content so we can pursue them ?

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Your allegations are baseless. We have no interest in file sharing. We make no money from it, and encourage no one to do so. We only make money from sales of files.

Files like Anal Virgins 3 (2012) DVD Rip ?

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Finally, you have completely failed to address the questions regarding CarrotPay. What file host uses CarrotPay? Can you name one (and not us). I would bet you didn't even bother contacting them to query our account, or anyone else account (assuming there are any file hosts using them). File hosts sign up to paypal, 2co, and other merchant gateways all the time. Do you target all the gateways? I believe with paypal you contact them first do you not? Or are you hell bent on taking them down also?

Carrot.org has a whole different set of problems. Again, you'll find out what they are when action is taken.

krylon · 09-06-2012, 04:13 AM

notjoe, agree with you totally about the populating of content. But you're missing the point. According to him, his site doesn't sell premium accounts, nor offer an affiliate program for people to make money via pay per download or a pay per sale option. And he is stating that his site is not a filelocker, but only because he has a post at WJ, as do other payment processors 'paxum' and 'ccbill' included, he is being targeted. So I wonder, how AK is labeling him as a filelocker or a piracy site. Maybe he has done an investigation and found a lot of infringing content. Or maybe he's emailed them to takedown files, and they've ignored requests?

Not trolling you here AK, just an interesting read here.

sorry ak, guess this popped up right after you posted.

AdultKing · 09-06-2012, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

They couldn't care. They will target any file host they want whether they're legitimate or not. AK has previously stated that he would be going after those which provide incentives for people to upload pirated content (AKA Affiliate programs) but it looks like he has done another flip-flop.

Don't fall for FShoppe's legitimate business crap.

The fact is that the people who provide files on FileShoppe get a cut from the micropayment made. As one MicroPayment needs to be made per download of the content then the incentive for the uploader is significant for popular files.

Perhaps FileShoppe can show us links to original content uploaded by the rights holder ?

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Why are people so sceptical? To what end would we do this if not to help?

People are sceptical because you're lieing thieving fuck who's looking for his options to steal and to get away with it, such as allowing tons of copyrighted materials being uploaded and sold through your so called "digital distribution platform" while offering copyright holders to police your fucking site and to do your job for you.

1. Crowarez
http://www.crowarez.org

Piracy/warez site that is directly sponsored (probably owned too) by fileshoppe (banner at the top).

2. You said no infringements at your site? It is only used by legit copyright holders and you have all due diligence procedures in place to make sure there's minimal infringement that gets quickly taken care of? You only advertise at WJ because there are legit uploaders too? Well... I hope Disney, FOX and MGM are hanging around at WJ too, because:

Startgate Atlantis (all seasons)
http://forum.warez.ag/tv-series/1565...nk-dvdrip.html

Toy Story (all 3 parts)
http://www.rsmoviedownloads.com/HTTP...k_8497005.html

The Simpsons (all seasons)
http://booknis.org/tvshow/the-simpso...link-t676.html

3. Never knew that 21sextury is hanging around at WJ looking for hosts to upload, but if you say so...

http://www.warezhud.com/full-movies/...-3-2012-a.html

So what we have here: recruiting uploaders at WJ, heavy presence at piracy/warez sites, easy availability of the pirated content through popular search engines, direct sponsorship/ownership of piracy/warez sites, and (most likely) not having a proper repeat infringer policy in place.

Sounds like a legit "digital distribution platform" to me. Yeah... Now I wonder why Paypal terminated the fuck out of you. They must be so wrong. You're of course legit and only suffered because of that evil guy AK sending bogus reports on you.

AdultKing · 09-06-2012, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by krylon

So I wonder, how AK is labeling him as a filelocker or a piracy site. Maybe he has done an investigation and found a lot of infringing content. Or maybe he's emailed them to takedown files, and they've ignored requests?

Not trolling you here AK, just an interesting read here.

sorry ak, guess this popped up right after you posted.

No worries.

We have done a thorough investigation in addition to receiving a significant amount of material from a confidential source.

I could keep posting links to infringing content on FileShoppe.net all night if necessary. There's a lot of it.

notjoe · 09-06-2012, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by krylon

notjoe, agree with you totally about the populating of content. But you're missing the point. According to him, his site doesn't sell premium accounts, nor offer an affiliate program for people to make money via pay per download or a pay per sale option. And he is stating that his site is not a filelocker, but only because he has a post at WJ, as do other payment processors 'paxum' and 'ccbill' included, he is being targeted. So I wonder, how AK is labeling him as a filelocker or a piracy site. Maybe he has done an investigation and found a lot of infringing content. Or maybe he's emailed them to takedown files, and they've ignored requests?

Not trolling you here AK, just an interesting read here.

sorry ak, guess this popped up right after you posted.

I agree with some of the things you've said but it really does have an affiliate program.

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/makeMoney.php

They still pay a commission for the "paid download". It might be packaged differently but at the end of the day that is still what it amounts to.

AdultKing · 09-06-2012, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

I agree with some of the things you've said but it really does have an affiliate program.

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/makeMoney.php

They still pay a commission for the "paid download". It might be packaged differently but at the end of the day that is still what it amounts to.

You're right, just because it doesn't fall into the traditional file locker model we are used to seeing doesn't mean that it's not incentivised piracy.

It's very much incentivised and many posts on WJunction and elsewhere laud the money making opportunity FileShoppe presents.

krylon · 09-06-2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

No worries.

We have done a thorough investigation in addition to receiving a significant amount of material from a confidential source.

I could keep posting links to infringing content on FileShoppe.net all night if necessary. There's a lot of it.

no need to man. seem's he was outed fair and square.

AdultKing · 09-06-2012, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

AdukltKing maybe you should take him up on his offer he seems to be willing to work with you which is at least something considering most of them dont care This could be used as a way to getting some filelockers legit

It's a ruse.

We have had such offers before.

Firstly, these sites want rights holders to do the job of managing their site. They don't want to do the work themselves.

Secondly, why should rights holders have to log in to 1000 different systems on 1000 different file lockers or tubes to remove their content which has been stolen ? It's bullshit and unacceptable.

If a universal standard was implemented then perhaps it would be ok, however there isn't one and it isn't ok. The responsibility for not distributing infringing content is on the site owner not on the content producer who's work is being stolen and monetized.

Furthermore the file lockers we have engaged in dialogue with all ended up having systems that just renamed files on removal allowing the uploader to re-enable them with different links thereby making a removal process useless.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

I do not like filelockers at all and I do not know the full story between you and Adultking but if you are willing to work to stop copyright content from being uploaded it is at least a start.

Don't fall for that crap that pirates are trying to feed you. Offering some content removal system is nowhere near a start, for reasons see AK's post above. The real start will be when they stop violating the law and start looking for ways to create legitimate services where the overwhelming majority of users are either legit copyright holders or fair use.

What this guy is trying to do is to simply redress the traditional file lockers model to claim "we're not one of them", but no matter how you put it it is still an incentivized piracy where uploaders get their cut while not having to provide any proof whatsoever they own copyrights to the materials they upload.

He wants copyright holders to police his site because he can claim "we're cooperating, we're legit, we're providing take down accounts" while keeping to recruit new uploaders at WJ knowing full well what they're going to upload, while turning a blind eye to sources of where his traffic is coming from, while not investigating on DMCAs and not taking action to cut sources of infringement, while not removing the master file and only deleting a generated link to it (which will be replaced tomorrow), while paying piracy sites to promote him, while probably owning piracy sites directly too. And of course he knows full well that even by providing take down accounts he's not going to hurt his library of copyrighted works uploaded illegaly which is the main source of his income - he just thinks that he'll silence some copyright holders who're the most proactive about piracy while keeping to profit from stealing from other copyright holders (actually, even those copyright holders who do have take down accounts will still be unable to stop infringements completely so he'll profit from them too, just a bit less).

That is his plan. It's no different from what the rest of the bunch is up to. Takedown accounts or not, it is impossible to stop piracy when a service is knowngly engaged in it and provide "roof and shelter" for their illegal uploaders. You can talk about take down accounts only with a service that is actually legitimate, really has a market outside of piracy, has the overwhelming majority of legitimate users and really serious about stopping infringement. If you settle for merely a take down account with the likes of fileshoppe, you're just giving up to your future role as a "delete monkey", but there's still no hope - upload monkeys will outpace you and you'll not be able to stop illegal distribution of your content. Only maybe to slow it down a bit.

For the likes of fileshoppe we as a community should only have two options - either go legal or go fuck yourself.

SKUP · 09-06-2012, 05:57 AM

These guys only know the meaning of the word legal because somebody once told them how to make money by not acting legal. So it has to be the last option.

notjoe · 09-06-2012, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Don't fall for that crap that pirates are trying to feed you. Offering some content removal system is nowhere near a start, for reasons see AK's post above. The real start will be when they stop violating the law and start looking for ways to create legitimate services where the overwhelming majority of users are either legit copyright holders or fair use.

Technically, according to the DMCA and Safe Harbor, they are within the law. Of course this varies country to country. American Law != World law.

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

What this guy is trying to do is to simply redress the traditional file lockers model to claim "we're not one of them", but no matter how you put it it is still an incentivized piracy where uploaders get their cut while not having to provide any proof whatsoever they own copyrights to the materials they upload.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

He wants copyright holders to police his site because he can claim "we're cooperating, we're legit, we're providing take down accounts" while keeping to recruit new uploaders at WJ knowing full well what they're going to upload, while turning a blind eye to sources of where his traffic is coming from, while not investigating on DMCAs and not taking action to cut sources of infringement, while not removing the master file and only deleting a generated link to it (which will be replaced tomorrow), while paying piracy sites to promote him, while probably owning piracy sites directly too.

That is a lot of assumptions you've made. Why don't you stick to the facts.

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

And of course he knows full well that even by providing take down accounts he's not going to hurt his library of copyrighted works uploaded illegaly which is the main source of his income - he just thinks that he'll silence some copyright holders who're the most proactive about piracy while keeping to profit from stealing from other copyright holders (actually, even those copyright holders who do have take down accounts will still be unable to stop infringements completely so he'll profit from them too, just a bit less).

That is his plan. It's no different from what the rest of the bunch is up to. Takedown accounts or not, it is impossible to stop piracy when a service is knowngly engaged in it and provide "roof and shelter" for their illegal uploaders. You can talk about take down accounts only with a service that is actually legitimate, really has a market outside of piracy, has the overwhelming majority of legitimate users and really serious about stopping infringement. If you settle for merely a take down account with the likes of fileshoppe, you're just giving up to your future role as a "delete monkey", but there's still no hope - upload monkeys will outpace you and you'll not be able to stop illegal distribution of your content. Only maybe to slow it down a bit.

For the likes of fileshoppe we as a community should only have two options - either go legal or go fuck yourself.

I couldn't be bothered to read the rest of your post. I just don't care enough and am a little hungover ;)

RegUser · 09-06-2012, 06:32 AM

Another good job by AK
It looks almost all file sharing sites are now unable to use paypal which was the single most used billing processor for stolen content.
Awesome job indeed.
If only we can see another 20 sites lose all billing processord and bite the dust, this fight can be considered truly over.

adultmobile · 09-06-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Hello AdultKing.
I tried sending and E-Mail via your form on your website (SFL), but sadly had no reply.

Such form does not work in most cases, I told this a few times already

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 08:26 AM

Hello all,

I can see in the few hours I was gone, there has been much chit chat!

First of all, many of those links that you posted were already dead. I have already stipulated to the fact that our service can be abused, but that is not to say it is common place.

That being said, we have already gone through the links listed above and found most them belonging to a handful of up loaders and we have gone ahead and removed all their files for breach of our AUP.

This is not too dissimilar to a NORMAL hosting provider. I'm sure the mighty Hostgator has had infringing content on their servers too, but they are not responsible to police every single file that comes in. They need to be informed and take action once done.

In any case, I am confident that all the above files (and more) have been removed. Including the first example offered by AdultKing, which appears to be the only one pornographic in nature.

But AdultKing

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I could keep posting links to infringing content on FileShoppe.net all night if necessary. There's a lot of it.

Please feel free to keep it coming. You can send us an E-Mail if you like. You have yet to send us even 1. As I said earlier in this thread, we have NEVER received a take down request.

Regarding our business model, perhaps we could change it to make it even LESS appealing to copyright infringer. Any suggestions? We already provide no rewards scheme such as PPS and PPD. What else would you like? Perhaps we could get rid of the share of paid downloads of free files? But in our experience, few people bother to pay when you can download for free. And we don't put ads on our site either so we make no money from hits. So really, we make NOTHING from people sharing.

We would only make money from people selling files.

Really, I would like to know what more we could do.

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He wants copyright holders to police his site because he can claim "we're cooperating, we're legit, we're providing take down accounts" while keeping to recruit new uploaders at WJ knowing full well what they're going to upload, while turning a blind eye to sources of where his traffic is coming from, while not investigating on DMCAs and not taking action to cut sources of infringement, while not removing the master file and only deleting a generated link to it (which will be replaced tomorrow), while paying piracy sites to promote him, while probably owning piracy sites directly too.

Why would we do that? We make no money from SHARED files. This is a baseless claim. I too can make outrageous claims regarding your business. Perhaps you are engaged in human trafficking in order to secure cheap sex workers for your pornographic material which you peddle as legit stuff. I don't know. I just made that up. But then again, so did you, didn't you?

One of the reasons I have decided to come on this forum is to cooperate with those who may be adversely affected. I don't believe we have contributed to ANY of your problems (unless one of you happen to own AV3??) but in the event that our service is used to host your content illegally, do you not want cooperation?

Seriously guys, whats going on?

Dirty F · 09-06-2012, 08:34 AM

Adultking had a really rough childhood. Clearly he's been bullied a lot at school.

SKUP · 09-06-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Hello all,

I can see in the few hours I was gone, there has been much chit chat!

First of all, many of those links that you posted were already dead. I have already stipulated to the fact that our service can be abused, but that is not to say it is common place.

That being said, we have already gone through the links listed above and found most them belonging to a handful of up loaders and we have gone ahead and removed all their for breach of our AUP.

This is not too dissimilar to a NORMAL hosting provider. I'm sure the mighty Hostgator has had infringing content on their servers too, but they are not responsible to police the very single file that comes in. They need to be informed and take action once done.

In any case, I am confident that all the above files (and more) have been removed. Including the first example offered by AdultKing, which appears to be the only one pornographic in nature.

But AdultKing Please feel free to keep it coming. You can send us an E-Mail if you like. You have yet to send us even 1. As I said earlier in this thread, we have NEVER received a take down request.

Regarding our business model, perhaps we could change it to make it even LESS appealing to copyright infringer. Any suggestions? We already provide no rewards scheme such as PPS and PPD. What else would you like? Perhaps we could get rid of the share of paid downloads of free files? But in our experience, few people bother to pay when you can download for free. And we don't put ads on our site either so we make no money from hits. So really, we make NOTHING from people sharing.

We would only make money from people selling files.

Really, I would like to know what more we could do.

Why would we do that? We make no money from SHARED files. This is a baseless claim. I too can say make outrageous claims regarding your business. Perhaps you are engaged in human trafficking in order to secure cheap sex workers for your pornographic material which you peddle as legit stuff. I don't know. I just made that up. But then again, so did you, didn't you?

One of the reasons I have decided to come on this forum is to cooperate with those who may be adversely affected. I don't believe we have contributed to ANY of your problems (unless one of you happen to own AV3??) but in the event that our service is used to host your content illegally, do you not want cooperation?

Seriously guys, whats going on?

What is going on? We are exposing some content thieves, that's going on.

We (and I am speaking about the ACIUF) found links at some big pirates and they could be downloaded at fileshoppe.net, so keep your fairytales for yourself.

Let's make it simple: hand over all information of uploaders that upload stolen content. Put that in your TOS and live up to it.

That might change my mind just a very little bit.

notjoe · 09-06-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SKUP

What is going on? We are exposing some content thieves, that's going on.

We (and I am speaking about the ACIUF) found links at some big pirates and they could be downloaded at fileshoppe.net, so keep your fairytales for yourself.

Let's make it simple: hand over all information of uploaders that upload stolen content. Put that in your TOS and live up to it.

That might change my mind just a very little bit.

And you seem to think you matter why?

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 08:46 AM

What information about uploaders would you like? And how useful would it be if the information does not contain physical mailing address or telephone number? What is stopping them from uploading with fake details?

In order to make use of CarrotPay, you need to sign up. There has only been 3 ways of withdrawing funds from CarrotPay. Paypal, 99Bill (China Debit Card thing) and Bank Transfer. So we don't keep the particulars of financial information. And if you want to know their CarrotIDs, this is not a secret. Information is available on the download page.

In any case, did you actually check those links? Most were inactive any way. I believe ALL are inactive now.

What else can be done?

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 08:51 AM

If we were not diligent in taking down material that infringes someone copyrights, why is it we have yet to receive a single take down request by E-Mail. And what other adult content can you find?

SKUP · 09-06-2012, 08:52 AM

We have a few that are still working and for now we like to keep it that way.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SKUP

We have a few that are still working and for now we like to keep it that way.

I'm sorry, who is this directed at?

Gozarian · 09-06-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Adultking had a really rough childhood. Clearly he's been bullied a lot at school.

What's your excuse?

AndyA · 09-06-2012, 09:29 AM

Thanks for the advice

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 09:50 AM

Paramount seem to be uploading to fileshoppe all day long:

Startrek (all seasons)
http://w2.megarapid.net/forums/t/380531.aspx

Fox just LOVE fileshoppe and they uploaded American Dad's entire season to this fantastic "digital distribution platform":
http://www.legendarydevils.com/tv-sh...eason-5-a.html

Axeman · 09-06-2012, 12:42 PM

Good job guys! Keep up the great work.

Captain Kawaii · 09-06-2012, 12:45 PM

Great Job, AK and friends!!

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 01:00 PM

These links have already been removed. They were removed long before you posted it here. Perhaps you should actually check?

Anyone can post links. It doesn't mean you can actually download anything.

What are we supposed to do about links that have already been dealt with?

SKUP · 09-06-2012, 01:05 PM

leaf the links for what they are. Just close shop and go back home.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 01:10 PM

I think some of you people need to be a little more objective and take a look at what is actually going on before making grand claims and accusations.

I have already stipulated to the fact that our system is open to abuse, but as is any hosting providers system. There is NOTHING stopping you from opening an account at any webhost, including HostGator, GoDaddy, BlueHost and uploading copyright content. All the host can do, is remove the content once they find out.

We are just like any other host and we have indeed diligently removed files that were infringing copyright content as well as removed files under the same account as per our terms and conditions.

Anyone could quite easily claim sites such as GFY, StopFileLockers, and any of your sites offer copyright material, child pornography and other ilegal material while posting links. What most people would find however, is that such content is not accessible at said link.

Some, such as a few who have participated in this thread, will just believe anything they read without actually checking first. I encourage you all to review the links before claiming we host copyright material.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 01:13 PM

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leaf the links for what they are. Just close shop and go back home.

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I do not understand. Leaf the links? Close shop and go back home? Is there some hidden meaning in this because I don't get it.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

This is not too dissimilar to a NORMAL hosting provider. I'm sure the mighty Hostgator has had infringing content on their servers too, but they are not responsible to police every single file that comes in. They need to be informed and take action once done.

So let me get this straight. You run a site that boast an impressive Alexa rank of ~880 000, meaning you get a couple of hundreds clicks a day, and have a coupla dozens of uploaders at most. And you compare yourself to Hostgator? You need to be notified of infringement when you only have one page of stats to look at where you clearly see who your uploaders are and what they are up to?

Hostgator is not simply bigger. They can show gazillion of legit uses for any occassionally found infringement. Can you show us those legit uses that outweight the reported infringements by far? Why is that you're the only one complaining about termination of your "digital distribution platform"? Where are the copyrighted holders who're using your platform for digital distribution of their products, where are all those infuriated people that got their solid (and legit of course) income stream interrupted because of AK's bogus infringement reports?

I'm surprised that AK didn't (at least to my knowledge) get angry letters from such a world famous companies who're partners of fileshoppe such as Sony Music for example:
http://www.blackmetisplanet.com/vide...wnload-ft-rick

They must be happy with the royalties you're paying them on each of their songs that you sell at $0.3 at fileshoppe. Where's their angry letter?
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/k..._Rick_Ross.mp3

Why aren't the heirs of Henry Hay outing AK's evil plan to stomp over their legitimate commerce through fileshoppe?
http://beta.mercury.fileshoppe.net/f...3B+photo.pd f

Oh wait, maybe that's because they're selling that book at $49.90 through Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Amateur-Ma.../dp/0785802045

But no, that can't be. They must be selling millions of copies at $0.37 through fileshoppe and that justifies such a significant reduction of price. So where is the letter?

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 01:49 PM

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You run a site that boast an impressive Alexa rank of ~880 000

We have a low Alexa rank because we do not allow copyright content on our servers. If we find it, we remove it. That makes for a very unpopular file locker (for copyright infringement any way).

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Why is that you're the only one complaining about termination of your "digital distribution platform"?

I am not complaining. Our business has yet to be affected given the majority of our downloads comes from HK and China where funding by bank transfer and 99Bill are preferred over Paypal. We NEVER accepted Paypal, so the actions of AdultKing have had virtually no effect on us. Therefore, not too many complaints as of yet, and as mentioned before, my participation in this forum is not to get you guys off our back, but to offer a means of contact should such problems arise. Let me put it this way. If adult content is uploaded, how are we to know if it is authorized or not? There are some things which are obvious. TV Shows, movies and the like. And we take care of those pretty quickly. But some random mp3 file. Are we to assume that all mp3 files are copyright? How about images? We get hundreds of photos uploaded, mostly, I assume as a means of transferring them from A - B.

It is unreasonable to expect us to check every single file that gets uploaded, particularly the very small ones. We rely on people to report such abuse. And the abuse that goes on at Hostgator and other large hosts is far less easy to detect given the websites are cloaked behind their domain.

How do you suggest we police the tiny files? How do you suggest we check for copyright infringement for things that are not obvious?

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 01:52 PM

Why not criticize you tube for the mounds of music uploaded illegally?

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 02:10 PM

Regarding the Jeniffer Hudson mp3, it does not appear that the uploader EVER had sales or downloads using our system so this has gone undetected. In any case, the user has been terminated. Thank you for letting us know!

(You see, it works. We take things down. Just let us know!)

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

But some random mp3 file. Are we to assume that all mp3 files are copyright?

I feel your pain. You know, there's that little known obscure website, also a digital distribution platform of a sort, but of course it is of no match to fileshoppe:

http://www.spotify.com

I've never heard of any infringement at Spotify. But it must be easy for them because they only have 200 000 of artists and labels signed up and recieving royalties from them. 200K uploaders is a joke and compliance can be easily enforced upon them. But I cannot even imagine what giant sites like fileshoppe can do to keep their billions of uploaders under control.

What I can imagine however is what will happen if AK will take their (Spotify) processing down because of a dozen of ramdomly found infringing songs. 200K people and organizations not geting their paycheck with legit royalties... Well, I wouldn't want to be in AK's shoes when all the hell will break loose upon him.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 02:30 PM

Hi Nautilus,

If there is material offered at spotify illegally, I'm sure people report it. Why is it unreasonable for a host to expect others to report abuse?

It's not a question over size.

If FileShoppe was big, would that be an excuse to let copyright infringement run wild? I think not. But we are small. We do not wish our system to be abused so we go ahead and take things down when we find out. I'm not sure what more you want from such a service?

Please, do offer your suggestions as to how to deal with these things? Do you have any ideas at all?

halfpint · 09-06-2012, 02:51 PM

Im sorry to have to say this but I am now very baffled at the way stopfilelockers is working. You guys are trying to stop copyright infringment right ? By taking away mainly paypal which is not actully stopping filelockers from proccesing so its not stopping copyright infringment.

Here you have a guy who is willing to work with you and you snub him all the way ? Its a no wonder that us porn pushers are so hated and laughed at if this is the way you are going to treat filelocker owners who are trying to work with you guys.

I originally thought that this would do some good but its starting to look like more of a vendetta than actully helping to stop copyright infringement. It normally works better if you work with website owners who are trying to work something out to stop the uploading of copyright content. Jeese the mind bogles at some of the replys here

Dirty F · 09-06-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

I originally thought that this would do some good but its starting to look like more of a vendetta than actully helping to stop copyright infringement.

Actually it looked like that from day 1. It's clear there is something else going on than just trying to stop copyright infringement.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

If there is material offered at spotify illegally, I'm sure people report it. Why is it unreasonable for a host to expect others to report abuse?

It is not unreasonable for a host to expect others to report abuse. It is unreasonable to ONLY expect others to report abuse. You need to also have your own procedures in place to deal with infringements proactively, such as using DFP for example like Youtube does.

And I repeat what you seem to have missed - 200 000 (!) artists and labels are getting royalties from Spotify. That amounts to probably half if not more of all people who own rights to music in the entire world. That's what you call the overwhelming majority of non-infringing uses. For any infringing song that may occasionally slip through every now and then, they can show that staggering number of legit "uploaders".

The question is, what you can show in the way of legitimate uses of your service? Just show us legit users who're uploading materials that they own, it shouldn't be that hard to find them if what you tell about the nature of your service is true. I tried to find something that may appear to be legit at fileshoppe through Google but failed. But maybe I did it wrong?

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 03:17 PM

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And I repeat what you seem to have missed - 200 000 (!) artists and labels are getting royalties from Spotify. That amounts to probably half if not more of all people who own rights to music in the entire world. That's what you call the overwhelming majority of non-infringing uses. For any infringing song that may occasionally slip through every now and then, they can show that staggering number of legit "uploaders".

We DO pro actively remove content. Hence most of the links posted here were already dead. And now they are ALL dead thanks to the reports some of you had made.

As I said, it is OBVIOUS that certain material is infringing on someone elses copyright. If we see 'STAR TREK EPISODE 1' or 'EXPENDABLES 2', and notice the LARGE file size, this of course rings alarm bells and we remove them. This discourages people from uploading further material hence the small number of files actually hosted on our servers, and the low traffic rank on Alexa. If we were hosting files available for downloads, do you not think we would get more hits?

But we're not going to check every little MP3 file. Particularly if they are never or rarely downloaded, or have an obscure file name. Take that AV3 file for example. How are we to know what it is? It has an obscure file name... do you want us to download it, extract it, view it, track down the creator, and ask if the person who uploaded is authorized to do so? I don't think that's reasonable. If someone finds it, they should report it. Simple as. If you can't be bothered to report these things, then you are just as responsible! If you can't be bothered to protect your own content, why should anyone else?

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The question is, what you can show in the way of legitimate uses of your service? Just show us legit users who're uploading materials that they own, it shouldn't be that hard to find them if what you tell about the nature of your service is true. I tried to find something that may appear to be legit at fileshoppe through Google but failed. But maybe I did it wrong?

We host files, not websites. We don't note down the websites of which their content is sold. But here is a list of files from one of our bigger users.

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mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/UBUcqwNdWpvgbv10m4O-wPo/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+1+Track+01.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/3OCCVIUxiIC6bzdb*TqMcMU/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+1+Track+02.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/3OCCVIUxiIATEDh2uDnKdsQ/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+1+Track+03.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/E1z7gKFoSesBFPYubzQ4j8c/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+1+Track+04.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/E1z7gKFoSes0z-o9FfjRB8Y/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+1+Track+05.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2UHIxmYL*aDEKu07FztTzcE/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+1+Track+06.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/7HTeAZZGmdMPRVpIjJVu9sc/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+1+Track+07.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2dD77OP9nnQ-dLNQJOvdpG0/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+2+Track+02.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2dD77OP9nnQ-dLNQJOvdpG0/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+2+Track+03.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/cQYdHBaJ51SZZ0kr4LzRH2w/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+2+Track+04.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/WdccgGA8wJRkXutZy2oAfNg/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+2+Track+01.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/cQYdHBaJ51TTPtWSWtKWMQA/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+2+Track+05.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/ZC9kl9jeVNTT7SK6dI9MHwM/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+2+Track+06.mp3
mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/LqYd*UzPYtfnoSA*2z2TWw4/%E7%A6%AA%E7%87%88Disc+2+Track+07.mp3

Their website is dbi.org.hk/web/index.htm

They have hundreds more if you like.

Like I said, most of our users are in HK and China so you may have difficulty finding links in Chinese.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 03:18 PM

I do apologize for the way in which I have posted the links. As I am a new user, I am restricted from posting URLs.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

We have a low Alexa rank because we do not allow copyright content on our servers...

...How about images? We get hundreds of photos uploaded, mostly, I assume as a means of transferring them from A - B.

Now about those 2 little gems.

So you believe high traffic sites can only be infringing? And it is also impossible to make sure the overwhelming majority of images that you sell are not infringing?

OK here is one more little known obscure website for you which is dragging far behind fileshoppe with a laughable Alexa rank of ~400:

http://www.istockphoto.com

They're also "digital distribition platform" of a sort. Millions of photos, ~50K of "uploaders". No serious infringement issues. Barely any, actually. And they also sell videos, templates, vector graphics and some other digital stuff, and again with little to no infringement problem.

Here is another one, very similar in terms of traffic, number of photos and "uploaders":

http://www.shutterstock.com

Only occasional infringement issues that get dealt with quickly.

Some more legit digital distribition platforms for you:

3Dmodels
http://www.renderosity.com

Tutorials
http://www.digitaltutors.com

Special effects
http://www.digitaljuice.com

Web templates
http://www.templatesmonster.com

09-06-2012, 05:57 AM	#2568
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09-06-2012, 08:34 AM	#2573
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09-06-2012, 09:50 AM	#2582
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09-06-2012, 02:51 PM	#2595
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	Im sorry to have to say this but I am now very baffled at the way stopfilelockers is working. You guys are trying to stop copyright infringment right ? By taking away mainly paypal which is not actully stopping filelockers from proccesing so its not stopping copyright infringment. Here you have a guy who is willing to work with you and you snub him all the way ? Its a no wonder that us porn pushers are so hated and laughed at if this is the way you are going to treat filelocker owners who are trying to work with you guys. I originally thought that this would do some good but its starting to look like more of a vendetta than actully helping to stop copyright infringement. It normally works better if you work with website owners who are trying to work something out to stop the uploading of copyright content. Jeese the mind bogles at some of the replys here __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net Last edited by halfpint; 09-06-2012 at 02:55 PM..

09-06-2012, 03:23 AM	#2553
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	I really do not see the connection between Pornbb and Clive Rand/HostHongKong. They were never in business together... Unless the guys who owned PhazeDDL also owned PornBB? In any case, the relationship with PhazeDDL was many MANY years ago! And said relationship was that of web hosting provider. Besides, what difference does any of this make if FileShoppe is offering a facility to remove files from our servers for authorized anti-piracy organizations? From what I gather, it is a problem in the entertainment industry, particular of adult nature. This facility will help resolve current problems and discourage further occurrences. I am here as a representative to inform you all that this facility is available should you need it. If it is no of interest to the members of this forum, that is fine. I will leave.

09-06-2012, 03:31 AM	#2554
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	Let me pose another question. Let us suppose a file host, which is used for share popular copyright material wants to turn a new leaf and TAKE DOWN PIRACY. Would you not want to be able to do so? We strongly reject that our services are used for piracy, and our whole business model makes it unattractive to engage in such activities. But in anticipation of abuse of our services, and in order to preserve a reputation, such a facility is being available so that copyright holders need not worry that we are willing to cooperate to the fullest extent. Why are people so sceptical? To what end would we do this if not to help?

09-06-2012, 03:41 AM	#2555
notjoe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 5,599	They couldn't care. They will target any file host they want whether they're legitimate or not. AK has previously stated that he would be going after those which provide incentives for people to upload pirated content (AKA Affiliate programs) but it looks like he has done another flip-flop.

09-06-2012, 03:48 AM	#2556
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	Hello NotJoe, That definitely seems to be the case here. No affiliate program, very little content (let alone copyright content) yet he targeted us just the same. And that of our payment gateway. I thought coming here and offering cooperation would help alleviate some tension, but so far it seems mostly scepticism. Oh well. Will check back in a few hours. See what other say.

09-06-2012, 04:13 AM	#2559
krylon Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 225	notjoe, agree with you totally about the populating of content. But you're missing the point. According to him, his site doesn't sell premium accounts, nor offer an affiliate program for people to make money via pay per download or a pay per sale option. And he is stating that his site is not a filelocker, but only because he has a post at WJ, as do other payment processors 'paxum' and 'ccbill' included, he is being targeted. So I wonder, how AK is labeling him as a filelocker or a piracy site. Maybe he has done an investigation and found a lot of infringing content. Or maybe he's emailed them to takedown files, and they've ignored requests? Not trolling you here AK, just an interesting read here. sorry ak, guess this popped up right after you posted.

09-06-2012, 06:32 AM	#2570
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	Another good job by AK It looks almost all file sharing sites are now unable to use paypal which was the single most used billing processor for stolen content. Awesome job indeed. If only we can see another 20 sites lose all billing processord and bite the dust, this fight can be considered truly over.

09-06-2012, 08:46 AM	#2576
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	What information about uploaders would you like? And how useful would it be if the information does not contain physical mailing address or telephone number? What is stopping them from uploading with fake details? In order to make use of CarrotPay, you need to sign up. There has only been 3 ways of withdrawing funds from CarrotPay. Paypal, 99Bill (China Debit Card thing) and Bank Transfer. So we don't keep the particulars of financial information. And if you want to know their CarrotIDs, this is not a secret. Information is available on the download page. In any case, did you actually check those links? Most were inactive any way. I believe ALL are inactive now. What else can be done?

09-06-2012, 08:51 AM	#2577
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	If we were not diligent in taking down material that infringes someone copyrights, why is it we have yet to receive a single take down request by E-Mail. And what other adult content can you find?

09-06-2012, 08:52 AM	#2578
SKUP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 400	We have a few that are still working and for now we like to keep it that way.

09-06-2012, 09:29 AM	#2581
AndyA So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl. Posts: 1,670	Thanks for the advice

09-06-2012, 12:45 PM	#2584
Captain Kawaii So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,748	Great Job, AK and friends!!

09-06-2012, 01:00 PM	#2585
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	These links have already been removed. They were removed long before you posted it here. Perhaps you should actually check? Anyone can post links. It doesn't mean you can actually download anything. What are we supposed to do about links that have already been dealt with?

09-06-2012, 01:05 PM	#2586
SKUP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 400	leaf the links for what they are. Just close shop and go back home.

09-06-2012, 01:10 PM	#2587
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	I think some of you people need to be a little more objective and take a look at what is actually going on before making grand claims and accusations. I have already stipulated to the fact that our system is open to abuse, but as is any hosting providers system. There is NOTHING stopping you from opening an account at any webhost, including HostGator, GoDaddy, BlueHost and uploading copyright content. All the host can do, is remove the content once they find out. We are just like any other host and we have indeed diligently removed files that were infringing copyright content as well as removed files under the same account as per our terms and conditions. Anyone could quite easily claim sites such as GFY, StopFileLockers, and any of your sites offer copyright material, child pornography and other ilegal material while posting links. What most people would find however, is that such content is not accessible at said link. Some, such as a few who have participated in this thread, will just believe anything they read without actually checking first. I encourage you all to review the links before claiming we host copyright material.

09-06-2012, 01:52 PM	#2591
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	Why not criticize you tube for the mounds of music uploaded illegally?

09-06-2012, 02:10 PM	#2592
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	Regarding the Jeniffer Hudson mp3, it does not appear that the uploader EVER had sales or downloads using our system so this has gone undetected. In any case, the user has been terminated. Thank you for letting us know! (You see, it works. We take things down. Just let us know!)

09-06-2012, 02:30 PM	#2594
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	Hi Nautilus, If there is material offered at spotify illegally, I'm sure people report it. Why is it unreasonable for a host to expect others to report abuse? It's not a question over size. If FileShoppe was big, would that be an excuse to let copyright infringement run wild? I think not. But we are small. We do not wish our system to be abused so we go ahead and take things down when we find out. I'm not sure what more you want from such a service? Please, do offer your suggestions as to how to deal with these things? Do you have any ideas at all?

09-06-2012, 03:18 PM	#2599
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	I do apologize for the way in which I have posted the links. As I am a new user, I am restricted from posting URLs.