Killing off File Lockers - Page 53 - GoFuckYourself.com

AdultKing · 09-06-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

These links have already been removed. They were removed long before you posted it here. Perhaps you should actually check?

Anyone can post links. It doesn't mean you can actually download anything.

What are we supposed to do about links that have already been dealt with?

No they weren't, we sampled them, don't assume that we haven't done extensive investigation into your site, because we have. We know much more than we have published.

You can't come here with half baked excuses and expect them to fly, we are not amateurs, we forensically investigate sites and ensure that all of our reports will stand up to the scrutiny of legal teams if necessary.

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

I think some of you people need to be a little more objective and take a look at what is actually going on before making grand claims and accusations.

I have already stipulated to the fact that our system is open to abuse, but as is any hosting providers system. There is NOTHING stopping you from opening an account at any webhost, including HostGator, GoDaddy, BlueHost and uploading copyright content. All the host can do, is remove the content once they find out.

The difference between your operation and the operations of these major web hosting companies is that they do not incentivise their hosting, so people can't get paid to download from the host by the host. They also do not have a majority of infringing content.

I would like you to show us a list of examples of original files, uploaded by their creator and being monetized. Show us examples of rights holders using your system to earn money for their work. I'm pretty sure you have very few examples compared to the thousands of examples of infringement that we have.

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

In order to make use of CarrotPay, you need to sign up. There has only been 3 ways of withdrawing funds from CarrotPay. Paypal, 99Bill (China Debit Card thing) and Bank Transfer. So we don't keep the particulars of financial information. And if you want to know their CarrotIDs, this is not a secret. Information is available on the download page.

In any case, did you actually check those links? Most were inactive any way. I believe ALL are inactive now.

What else can be done?

Does Carrot still accept Paypal ?

I'll tell you what more can be done. Immediately institute a policy making it an AUP violation to post any link to any warez or piracy forum, blog or index and accept reports from us and delete all of those links.

Provide us with complete back end access to your systems and allow us to audit your whole operation at random times.

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

If adult content is uploaded, how are we to know if it is authorized or not? There are some things which are obvious. TV Shows, movies and the like. And we take care of those pretty quickly. But some random mp3 file. Are we to assume that all mp3 files are copyright? How about images? We get hundreds of photos uploaded, mostly, I assume as a means of transferring them from A - B.

If you're accepting Paypal directly or indirectly then adult content is not allowed.

Yes there are things which are obvious, however there are also patterns which are obvious too. Do you run fingerprinting technology on all media uploads ?

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Im sorry to have to say this but I am now very baffled at the way stopfilelockers is working. You guys are trying to stop copyright infringment right ? By taking away mainly paypal which is not actully stopping filelockers from proccesing so its not stopping copyright infringment.

Here you have a guy who is willing to work with you and you snub him all the way ? Its a no wonder that us porn pushers are so hated and laughed at if this is the way you are going to treat filelocker owners who are trying to work with you guys.

I originally thought that this would do some good but its starting to look like more of a vendetta than actully helping to stop copyright infringement. It normally works better if you work with website owners who are trying to work something out to stop the uploading of copyright content. Jeese the mind bogles at some of the replys here

Halfpint, I know from the sidelines it looks like we are giving FileShoppe a hard time but you don't know what we know about them. We're more than willing to work with the management of file locker services to bring them into compliance, however in this case FileShoppe is being disingenuous and appealing for public sympathy with lies.

FileShoppe was set up with the intention to make money from the booming market for western copyright material in China. By using a micropayment system, Carrot, they thought they could take small micro payments for individual files rather than an outright membership fee for a period of unlimited downloading.

Unfortunately because our operations against FileShoppe are still ongoing I cannot add more, except to say that FileShoppe has already demonstrated considered willingness to knowingly profit from infringing content and this belief extends beyond Stop File Lockers but also other rights holder groups and payment processors.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 03:53 PM

What are you talking about?

Most images are not sold. They are made available for free downloads. Mostly they seem to be the kinds of photos you stick up on places like Facebook.

Some photographers use our system to sell their photos too but as I said, mostly are just personal photos and we are being used as a means of file transfer/storage.

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So you believe high traffic sites can only be infringing? And it is also impossible to make sure the overwhelming majority of images that you sell are not infringing?

I did not say that, or mean anything remotely close to it. What I was saying is, if we truely were encouraging the use of our services to infringe copyright, I would imagine our traffic rank would be much higher. We are small fry. Perhaps we should just let users upload whatever they want and ONLY act in cases of take down requests. As it stands, we pro actively take down files that we can identify easily. Perhaps this is a bad idea for us? Maybe we should just let infringers upload and get our traffic up? Oh wait, no we don't do that. We have ethics. Do you? Does AdultKing?

FileShoppe isn't just a hosting service provider. We implement our content protection system into other systems too. For example, vectorious.net. They sell many vector graphics and have started to sell individual vectors for $0.99 each using the CarrotPay system. If it is indeed SFL that is responsible for taking away Paypal from Carrot, then they have effectively prevented Vectorious from conducting such sales and can only continue using the original Paypal subscription method. Nice collateral damage don't you think.

Why do you like to post links not relevant to this topic? They do not offer the same system as we do. But if you are into posting irrelevant links, here's some for you

google.com
yahoo.com
facebook.com
aol.com

They all have MANY users... not sure why this is relevant but I thought you might like to know it just the same.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Please, do offer your suggestions as to how to deal with these things? Do you have any ideas at all?

Of course I have ideas. Well, one idea. It's what we old school guys call actually working on your damn site. Such as, for example, if your site is a digital distribution platform, addressing professional communities of people who create those digital goods to promote your site, and not WJ crowd.

You've been given a dozen of examples of legit digital distribution platforms. They're all very successfull high traffic websites that manage to keep 99+% of their files non-infringing despite having thousands and in some cases even hundreds of thousands of "uploaders". Learn how they do it, redress your business model accordingly, and then maybe you can have your Paypal account back.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Perhaps we should just let users upload whatever they want and ONLY act in cases of take down requests.

Or perhaps you should develop a business model that actually has a market outside of piracy/warez scene. That is, if you want to accept credit cards or Paypal for payments.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 04:19 PM

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No they weren't, we sampled them, don't assume that we haven't done extensive investigation into your site, because we have. We know much more than we have published.

I find that hard to believe. You don't seem to know much at all. And those links were mostly dealt with before. They are certainly all dealt with now!

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You can't come here with half baked excuses and expect them to fly, we are not amateurs, we forensically investigate sites and ensure that all of our reports will stand up to the scrutiny of legal teams if necessary.

You certainly sound like a lot of bark, but where's the bite. All words but no substance.

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The difference between your operation and the operations of these major web hosting companies is that they do not incentivise their hosting, so people can't get paid to download from the host by the host. They also do not have a majority of infringing content.

You do realize that FileShoppe is a digital sale platform? The whole point is for content providers to sell their stuff in order to MAKE money right? We don't incentivise file sharing. We encourage file selling. Selling files is the only way we can make money. And we take a very reasonable fee, unlike many other providers offering 'similar' services.

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I would like you to show us a list of examples of original files, uploaded by their creator and being monetized. Show us examples of rights holders using your system to earn money for their work. I'm pretty sure you have very few examples compared to the thousands of examples of infringement that we have.

This is a bit of a joke. I have already answered this and provided a number of links showing original content being sold. As for your claim of THOUSANDS of examples of infringing content, please do share it. I'de like to see how many files you can actually find still on our system.

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Does Carrot still accept Paypal ?

No they do not.

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I'll tell you what more can be done. Immediately institute a policy making it an AUP violation to post any link to any warez or piracy forum, blog or index and accept reports from us and delete all of those links.

We already have an AUP that prohibits the use of our service for copyright infringement, and the point of my coming to this forum is to inform you all how to contact us, and cooperate to the fullest extent.

As links being posted on 'warez' forums, how exactly do you suggest we police this? Through reports? And why not let a copyright owner post their own links/content on Warez forums if the result is they get paid for what is theirs.

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Provide us with complete back end access to your systems and allow us to audit your whole operation at random times.

Who is 'us'? You? I'm sure we can arrange some read only access to what information we do have for auditing purposes. But it certainly won't be to you. Perhaps an organization with actual authority. Or a person who has a little more respect for others. Besides, you claim to know a lot but I'm not seeing evidence of such. And if you had access to our back end, you probably wouldn't believe what you saw.

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Halfpint, I know from the sidelines it looks like we are giving FileShoppe a hard time but you don't know what we know about them. We're more than willing to work with the management of file locker services to bring them into compliance, however in this case FileShoppe is being disingenuous and appealing for public sympathy with lies.

We're not appealing for public sympathy. We are here in a show of good faith so that if our services result in your copyright material being illegally shared, we are here to take it down. You haven't once contacted us to take down any material. In fact, NO ONE HAS. Just ask us to remove content if you find it, and it will be done. Don't believe me, TRY IT! What do you have to lose? Your dignity for totally screwing up? Don't worry, you didn't have much to begin with (but I'll give you some for at least TRYING to fight the good fight).

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FileShoppe was set up with the intention to make money from the booming market for western copyright material in China.

Untrue but actually an excellent idea!

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By using a micropayment system, Carrot, they thought they could take small micro payments for individual files rather than an outright membership fee for a period of unlimited downloading.

If you look at other systems that small content producers have to sell their goods like Chrome store, iTunes, or whatever else is available, the fees they charge are enormous. CarrotPay is designed for SMALL transactions. We created a store to sell files of small value. What's nefarious about that?

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Unfortunately because our operations against FileShoppe are still ongoing I cannot add more, except to say that FileShoppe has already demonstrated considered willingness to knowingly profit from infringing content and this belief extends beyond Stop File Lockers but also other rights holder groups and payment processors.

I'll be surprised if you know where our servers are hosted, much less anything of actual interest. Why are you so against requesting files to be taken offline? If this is your attitude towards file hosts THAT DO what you are saying, it's no wonder they are still operating, since they aren't getting any take down requests.

I'm sorry but you're loosing the good fight. Take a page from Nate Glass. He boasts sending out many a take down request, and I believe with some success. You should try it!

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

But we're not going to check every little MP3 file. Particularly if they are never or rarely downloaded, or have an obscure file name.

That's why you're not going to have your Paypal account back. Because in order to accept Paypal/CC you need to run your service clean of infringement. How you do it is your problem.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 04:25 PM

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and then maybe you can have your Paypal account back.

We never had a Paypal account. You claim to know a lot about us but you don't even know we don't use Paypal. And we never have! We simply can't afford to use them. Their fees are way too high. Not to mention, we need CarrotPay's split payment facility. It is through the split payment facility the content provider get's paid. We don't pay anyone anything.

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Or perhaps you should develop a business model that actually has a market outside of piracy/warez scene. That is, if you want to accept credit cards or Paypal for payments.

We do not market to piracy/warez. As pointed out, many hosting providers and payment gateways have representatives on operating on WJunction. Are they all criminals? It's a general web master place. It seemed like a decent place to have a rep.

On a more positive note:

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Of course I have ideas. Well, one idea. It's what we old school guys call actually working on your damn site. Such as, for example, if your site is a digital distribution platform, addressing professional communities of people who create those digital goods to promote your site, and not WJ crowd.

Please share those ideas. They are very welcome.

Marketing isn't our strong point :-). We are software developers, not marketers. Any recommendations?

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 04:26 PM

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That's why you're not going to have your Paypal account back. Because in order to accept Paypal/CC you need to run your service clean of infringement. How you do it is your problem.

How many times do I have to tell you. We have never used Paypal. Ever! How is you think you know so much when you don't even know that we don't use Paypal, and therefore was never taken away!

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 04:27 PM

Oh I apologize Nautilus, , I forgot I wasn't talking to AdultKing any more.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

We have never used Paypal. Ever!

You used it indirectly through carrot.org and now you lost it.

FShoppe · 09-06-2012, 04:48 PM

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You used it indirectly through carrot.org and now you lost it.

We have not seen any reduction in sales of files as a result of Carrot no longer supporting Paypal.

In any case, nothing we do can get Paypal to give back the account to Carrot. I don't think you realized this early, but I'm glad you understand now.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Please share those ideas. They are very welcome.

Marketing isn't our strong point :-). We are software developers, not marketers. Any recommendations?

I just did in the post you quoted. Promote your service to the professional communities such as photographers, 3dmodelists, musicians etc. If they'll find your monetization scheme attractive, then maybe you'll finally have some substantial legit users base at your service. But you'll need to study their needs first and to redress your service accordingly if you expect it to succeed at any market other than piracy/warez.

I searched Google again and was still unable to find anything legit being sold through fileshoppe.

Java tutorial sold at $.025 through fileshoppe:
http://3dgfxstuff.info/onlinetutoria...ng-series.html
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/l...J2EE.part1.rar

Official price $549:
http://www.erpgreat.com/java/training/apj2ejav2ene.htm

Some more random examples:
http://www.desidownloads.me/threads/...12-bdrip.1928/
http://www.3gpto.com/madonna-release...gone-wild.html
http://freewarez.biz/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=641109

So far you've shown us only one example of what was probably a legit use, and that page was in Chinese. 100% of what I find in English is infringing.

Nautilus · 09-06-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

In any case, nothing we do can get Paypal to give back the account to Carrot. I don't think you realized this early, but I'm glad you understand now.

I didn't mean it literally.

hdbuilder · 09-06-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

We have not seen any reduction in sales of files as a result of Carrot no longer supporting Paypal.

In any case, nothing we do can get Paypal to give back the account to Carrot. I don't think you realized this early, but I'm glad you understand now.

So why are you bitching here so much? Go away!

hdbuilder · 09-06-2012, 05:35 PM

Great job AK!!

I have been following this thread for a while but never said anything. Since you started SFL I have been visiting WPj once a day just to read the new posts from upload monkeys, I am now sure to get a good laugh at least once a day.

Some file hosts usually respect the model of adding new PayPal accounts they had on ice when theirs is cut, then add more weird processors on the long term afterwards. Now FShoppe is just wiser than the others, he created a different type of model, backed by a micropayment system rewarding a PPD scheme, but he got cut. That's it That's all. He may be more imaginative but at the end it's the same, how to make money with infringement content...

krylon · 09-06-2012, 06:26 PM

hdbuilder, love your avatar.

AdultKing · 09-06-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

We have not seen any reduction in sales of files as a result of Carrot no longer supporting Paypal.

If that's true then you wouldn't be complaining in this thread about being targeted. Regardless, Paypal is not the only payment system we communicate with.

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

I find that hard to believe. You don't seem to know much at all. And those links were mostly dealt with before. They are certainly all dealt with now!

Well it appears you have missed some.

Anal Virgins 3 (2012) DVD Rip

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/d.../AV3.part1.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/u.../AV3.part2.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/8.../AV3.part3.rar

The files above, which I have posted in this thread earlier are still there.

I would expect that if a file was no longer available that your system would say so and would NOT offer a monetization or sign up option. By providing a monetization or sign up option you're still monetizing piracy.

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You certainly sound like a lot of bark, but where's the bite.

If there's no bite then why are you complaining ?

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You do realize that FileShoppe is a digital sale platform? The whole point is for content providers to sell their stuff in order to MAKE money right? We don't incentivise file sharing. We encourage file selling. Selling files is the only way we can make money. And we take a very reasonable fee, unlike many other providers offering 'similar' services.

You can call it what you like, the fact remains people can upload infringing content and take a monetary payment per download, you also profit for each download. If the content is infringing then you're profiting for piracy and we will work to shut you down.

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This is a bit of a joke. I have already answered this and provided a number of links showing original content being sold. As for your claim of THOUSANDS of examples of infringing content, please do share it. I'de like to see how many files you can actually find still on our system.

These for example, still there after you knowing about them for 24 hours.

Anal Virgins 3 (2012) DVD Rip

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/d.../AV3.part1.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/u.../AV3.part2.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/8.../AV3.part3.rar

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We already have an AUP that prohibits the use of our service for copyright infringement, and the point of my coming to this forum is to inform you all how to contact us, and cooperate to the fullest extent.

As links being posted on 'warez' forums, how exactly do you suggest we police this? Through reports? And why not let a copyright owner post their own links/content on Warez forums if the result is they get paid for what is theirs.

Let's get real. Rights holders don't post content that has cost large amounts of money and creative effort to piracy forums and blogs in the hopes of making a few cents per copy sold.

Rights holders will not support a system which engages in ripping them off all day every day.

You're living in fairy land, we have heard these arguments before however have never managed to find one software company, one film studio, one record producer that uses piracy sites or infringing file locker services as a distribution platform.

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Who is 'us'? You? I'm sure we can arrange some read only access to what information we do have for auditing purposes. But it certainly won't be to you. Perhaps an organization with actual authority. Or a person who has a little more respect for others. Besides, you claim to know a lot but I'm not seeing evidence of such. And if you had access to our back end, you probably wouldn't believe what you saw.

Of course when push comes to shove you won't allow audit of your systems and processes, you want to be selective about who you provide it to, you wouldn't want to give it to and organization like Copy Control because Copy Control would insist you take effective measures to minimize and prevent piracy.

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We're not appealing for public sympathy. We are here in a show of good faith so that if our services result in your copyright material being illegally shared, we are here to take it down. You haven't once contacted us to take down any material. In fact, NO ONE HAS. Just ask us to remove content if you find it, and it will be done. Don't believe me, TRY IT! What do you have to lose? Your dignity for totally screwing up? Don't worry, you didn't have much to begin with (but I'll give you some for at least TRYING to fight the good fight).

Good faith would be not having the bulk of infringing content that your sites currently has available, you have been provided with many examples in this thread. Even content which you have been told about in this thread is still there.

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If you look at other systems that small content producers have to sell their goods like Chrome store, iTunes, or whatever else is available, the fees they charge are enormous. CarrotPay is designed for SMALL transactions. We created a store to sell files of small value. What's nefarious about that?

Apple iTunes have proper legal agreements with content producers, distributors and rights holders to distribute content in accordance with such agreements with audited processes and reporting in place. In many cases they have exclusive or semi exclusive agreements.

Please name the rights holders who have signed up with FileShoppe. How many are there.

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I'll be surprised if you know where our servers are hosted, much less anything of actual interest. Why are you so against requesting files to be taken offline? If this is your attitude towards file hosts THAT DO what you are saying, it's no wonder they are still operating, since they aren't getting any take down requests.

Without proper verification we can't know if a file is removed or simply the link is deleted. Going by the examples I gave above which remain it seems that taking content down is not something you do very reliably.

AdultKing · 09-06-2012, 09:34 PM

FileShoppe had this to say on another forum about Paypal on 2nd September.

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Hello all,

How many people here have had their Paypal accounts limited, seemingly for no reason.

I recently had my Paypal account limited, supposedly for violating the AUP but I fail to see how. The business of which that Paypal account is setup for has been running for almost 10 years and is not in any way involved with illegal, or even questionable activity. (No it is not related to file hosting).

The E-Mail received simply said the account was permanently limited and did not say which term/policy was violated. Further more, the two 'related' transactions appear to be okay without so much as a charge back/dispute raised.

Given it is Sunday and out of office hours, I have not been able to contact them yet, but what can be done in such a situation? This happen to anyone else? Does anyone else really HATE paypal?

anexsia · 09-06-2012, 09:37 PM

I talked to Paypal tonight on the phone about a recent transaction on my account and like always they were super nice, solved my problem, and spoke English. I love Paypal and I'm glad they're taking down these people that are using their accounts for copyright infringement. I see lots of people talk shit about Paypal but I've had less problems with them then with my own damn bank account.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 02:04 AM

AdultKing, you really a showing how foolish you are. You cannot download anything from those links you provided. If you can't be bothered to do a simple 1 minute check, that's not really my fault or my problem. The pages are generated on the fly. If downloads are not possible, you simply will NOT see the 'Download' buttons.

Seriously, I would encourage anyone who believes AdultKing to simply check! I have even offered AdultKing a cash reward if he can find any real number of copyright infringing links.

We have already taken down what we can obviously see is copyright infringing. But as I said, if people cannot even be bothered to let us know of an abusive client, then that's really not our problem.

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I would expect that if a file was no longer available that your system would say so and would NOT offer a monetization or sign up option. By providing a monetization or sign up option you're still monetizing piracy

No where do we offer signups. And unless a file is downloadable, there is NOTHING to buy. If you know so much about us, how can you not know the most basic things about us. The ONLY way we can make money is through sales of individual files. We do not sell memberships, we do not sell credit. How can we monetize it?

And I repeat, THE FILES WERE REMOVED LONG AGO. Just check!

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Of course when push comes to shove you won't allow audit of your systems and processes, you want to be selective about who you provide it to, you wouldn't want to give it to and organization like Copy Control because Copy Control would insist you take effective measures to minimize and prevent piracy.

I don't know who copy control are, but if they are a responsible and proper authority, then I'm sure we can grant them full read access. Just not you :-). You've already proved you're not a reasonable person by continuing to post inactive links claiming they are active.

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Good faith would be not having the bulk of infringing content that your sites currently has available, you have been provided with many examples in this thread. Even content which you have been told about in this thread is still there.

You can say this as many times as you like. It doesn't make it true. The files are not accessible.

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Without proper verification we can't know if a file is removed or simply the link is deleted. Going by the examples I gave above which remain it seems that taking content down is not something you do very reliably.

Yet more evidence of you knowing very little about our system.

The pages are generated on the fly. We do not rely on a database back end and therefore it is not a simple matter of deleting a record from the database. There are an infinite number of download pages now if you can work out the encoding mechanism we use to generate URLs. But this does not mean that file exists or has ever existed on our servers. Our system was built like this so we do not have a single point of failure and so that our files can be distributed throughout our CDN with having to deal with some silly file management system.

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FileShoppe had this to say on another forum about Paypal on 2nd September.

Yes, a Paypal account unrelated to FileShoppe was suspended. Paypal unsuspended it on September 3rd.

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Thank you Paypal

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According to the folks at WJ, most likely you (or whoever else at SFL) had something to do with it. But that's just forum gossip.

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talked to Paypal tonight on the phone about a recent transaction on my account and like always they were super nice, solved my problem, and spoke English. I love Paypal and I'm glad they're taking down these people that are using their accounts for copyright infringement. I see lots of people talk shit about Paypal but I've had less problems with them then with my own damn bank account.

I agree. They were nice! They did resolve the problem quickly (24 hours). They did speak English, despite having an HK based Paypal account. And indeed they are doing the right thing by terminating the Paypal accounts of users who engage in Copyright Infringement. But many people talk s*** about Paypal because their fees are high, they provide virtually no seller protection, and they make all kinds of mistakes on a regular basis without having any sort of compensation. The stamp on merchants because they can. So as a consumer, Paypal is great! As a merchant, not so great, particularly if you are involved in selling services.

And I repeat, FileShoppe never used Paypal, and actually it doesn't fit our business model.

AdultKing · 09-07-2012, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

AdultKing, you really a showing how foolish you are. You cannot download anything from those links you provided. If you can't be bothered to do a simple 1 minute check, that's not really my fault or my problem. The pages are generated on the fly. If downloads are not possible, you simply will NOT see the 'Download' buttons.

What I see is a file name, file size, Price then a banner beneath the heading "Premium Mirrors" which says Try Premium for Free, which then opens up a Carrot Pay wallet pop up window.

So you certainly give the impression the file is there and provide the opportunity to sign up. This brings you benefit fom the infringing link to infringing content.

You can paint this however you like, there is NO CLEAR INDICATION the file does not exist!

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Seriously, I would encourage anyone who believes AdultKing to simply check! I have even offered AdultKing a cash reward if he can find any real number of copyright infringing links.

We'll post a nice long list.

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We have already taken down what we can obviously see is copyright infringing. But as I said, if people cannot even be bothered to let us know of an abusive client, then that's really not our problem.

Wrong. What you host is your problem whether it's reported to you or not. You are solely responsible for what is on your servers. You blaze attitude to this part of the underlying problem. You simply show no concern about profiting from piracy.

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No where do we offer signups. And unless a file is downloadable, there is NOTHING to buy. If you know so much about us, how can you not know the most basic things about us. The ONLY way we can make money is through sales of individual files. We do not sell memberships, we do not sell credit. How can we monetize it?

So the banner we see which takes us to Carrot ewallet is just a figment of our imagination ?

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And I repeat, THE FILES WERE REMOVED LONG AGO. Just check!

As stated above we can't tell when you offer file name, file size and price.

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I don't know who copy control are, but if they are a responsible and proper authority, then I'm sure we can grant them full read access. Just not you :-). You've already proved you're not a reasonable person by continuing to post inactive links claiming they are active.

Copy Control is the organization which runs the Stop File Lockers campaign.

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You can say this as many times as you like. It doesn't make it true. The files are not accessible.

You're entirely missing the point, if you're offering people the chance to sign up from the file page rather than simply displaying a message saying the file does not exist then you are benefiting from piracy. The file was there, people link to it on pricy sites and you get sign ups as a result.

Yet more evidence of you knowing very little about our system.

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The pages are generated on the fly. We do not rely on a database back end and therefore it is not a simple matter of deleting a record from the database. There are an infinite number of download pages now if you can work out the encoding mechanism we use to generate URLs. But this does not mean that file exists or has ever existed on our servers. Our system was built like this so we do not have a single point of failure and so that our files can be distributed throughout our CDN with having to deal with some silly file management system.

With no database back end you're going to have a lot of trouble handling infringements aren't you ? How do you prevent repeat I infringement ? How do you track anything with no database back end ?

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And I repeat, FileShoppe never used Paypal, and actually it doesn't fit our business model.

You accepted Paypal via Carrot for Micropayments.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 02:56 AM

Oh yes, to address this

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Please name the rights holders who have signed up with FileShoppe. How many are there

As I have already mentioned, we do not know where the files are sold in most cases since we do not ask users to let us know WHERE they publish each and every link.

But I have already provided an example of one our bigger users. BDI in Hong Kong represent about 1 10th of all of our files stored.

Most uploads are anonymous and are simple personal files or what I suspect to be used for one off sales.

You can have a look for yourself. Maybe then you may understand why the links are not widespread. It is obvious the copyright material is more easily found.

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/m...paiting003.png
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/9...paiting004.png
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/L...paiting005.png
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/r...paiting010.png
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/3...*4_/pandas.png
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/O...k1920x1080.jpg
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/O...e1920x1080.jpg
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/m...n3872x2581.jpg
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/e...r1920x1080.jpg

And as you can see, THESE are active!

SKUP · 09-07-2012, 03:07 AM

Hey Fshoppe. Can you pleasse open your own thread and stop polluting this one. Thank you.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 03:12 AM

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What I see is a file name, file size, Price then a banner beneath the heading "Premium Mirrors" which says Try Premium for Free, which then opens up a Carrot Pay wallet pop up window.

The file name size and price are all encoded directly into the URL.

The 'Try Premium for Free' is a promotional offer where we GIVE away US$1 to spend on our site. It is not a chancel to pay for anything. I'm sorry you do not see this.

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So you certainly give the impression the file is there and provide the opportunity to sign up. This brings you benefit fom the infringing link to infringing content.

There is no download button. And we do not have a signup process for downloaders. So where is the benefit? We don't sell anything on the page. The promotional $1 is a free GIFT we give away, not some sneaky way of getting their money. And even if they completed a Top-Up at Carrot, FileShoppe would not benefit at all from that.

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You can paint this however you like, there is NO CLEAR INDICATION the file does not exist!

The files is not available in any shape or form. We have absolutely no way of monetizing this. What exactly are we doing wrong?

Oh check out what I found on the StopFileLockers Website. You did not tell me you were into Child Porn? Look, a page offering child porn. You show the price and file size! OH DEAR OH DEAR.

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As stated above we can't tell when you offer file name, file size and price.

Those who WANT to download it will notice I'm sure.

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You're entirely missing th point, if you're offering people the chance to sign up from the file page rather than simply displaying a message saying the file does not exist then you are benefiting from piracy. The file was there, people link to it on pricy sites and you get sign ups as a result.

Again, how do we benefit from piracy? What sign up? FileShoppe doesn't HAVE a sign up process.

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With no database back end you're going to have a lot of trouble handling infringements aren't you ? How do you prevent repeat I infringement ? How do you track anything with no database back end ?

We have a database that allows us to track downloads. But the database is not integral to the system. If our database goes down, we continue to function. We have a highly redundant and scalable system.

We can disable user accounts to prevent uploads via FTP. We can trace files back to specific users and remove them.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 03:14 AM

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Hey Fshoppe. Can you pleasse open your own thread and stop polluting this one. Thank you.

I would but their is too much BS in this thread and I'm not going to let a child pornographer sully our good name :-)

Paul Markham · 09-07-2012, 03:14 AM

FShoppe unless someone permanently checks every upload, you don't know what you are supplying and billing via Paypal.

Could be pirated, porn, cp, illegal in any way or just breaking Paypal's Terms and Conditions.

Welcome to the real world.

If every file on your server is checked, how did these get through?

These for example, still there after you knowing about them for 24 hours.

Anal Virgins 3 (2012) DVD Rip

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/d.../AV3.part1.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/u.../AV3.part2.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/8.../AV3.part3.rar

SKUP · 09-07-2012, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

I would but their is too much BS in this thread and I'm not going to let a child pornographer sully our good name :-)

Who are you calling a child pornographer?

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 03:26 AM

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FShoppe unless someone permanently checks every upload, you don't know what you are supplying and billing via Paypal.

We do not supply billing via Paypal. FileShoppe has been around for around 14 months and we have always used CarrotPay exclusively. CarrotPay has not had Paypal for very long. We had hoped that Paypal would increase our market appeal. I guess we'll never know.

And no we do not check every single upload. That would not be reasonable.

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Could be pirated, porn, cp, illegal in any way or just breaking Paypal's Terms and Conditions.

Indeed pirates material is against our TOS. Technically adult content is not strictly forbidden, but would it become the policy of CarrotPay that adult material is not allowed, we would certainly comply.

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If every file on your server is checked, how did these get through?

We do NOT check every file. This particular set of files are not obvious cases of copyright infringement. First, they have reasonably obscure file names. Second, there are 3 parts. It is unreasonable to expect a host to inspect individual files and then combine!

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These for example, still there after you knowing about them for 24 hours.

They were online yesterday. We were informed and they were removed mere hours after being informed via this forum. They are NOT there now.

SKUP · 09-07-2012, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SKUP

Who are you calling a child pornographer?

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 03:30 AM

That would be AdultKing and the good folks at StopFileLockers

Just see the link I posted above clearly showing a page advertising they sell Child Porn.

Paul Markham · 09-07-2012, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

We do not supply billing via Paypal. FileShoppe has been around for around 14 months and we have always used CarrotPay exclusively. CarrotPay has not had Paypal for very long. We had hoped that Paypal would increase our market appeal. I guess we'll never know.

And no we do not check every single upload. That would not be reasonable.

Indeed pirates material is against our TOS. Technically adult content is not strictly forbidden, but would it become the policy of CarrotPay that adult material is not allowed, we would certainly comply.

We do NOT check every file. This particular set of files are not obvious cases of copyright infringement. First, they have reasonably obscure file names. Second, there are 3 parts. It is unreasonable to expect a host to inspect individual files and then combine!

They were online yesterday. We were informed and they were removed mere hours after being informed via this forum. They are NOT there now.

Sorry I read this and thought you did bill via Paypla.

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Hello all,

How many people here have had their Paypal accounts limited, seemingly for no reason.

I recently had my Paypal account limited, supposedly for violating the AUP but I fail to see how. The business of which that Paypal account is setup for has been running for almost 10 years and is not in any way involved with illegal, or even questionable activity. (No it is not related to file hosting).

The E-Mail received simply said the account was permanently limited and did not say which term/policy was violated. Further more, the two 'related' transactions appear to be okay without so much as a charge back/dispute raised.

Given it is Sunday and out of office hours, I have not been able to contact them yet, but what can be done in such a situation? This happen to anyone else? Does anyone else really HATE paypal?

Did CarrotPay allow any of the things I mentioned? "pirated, porn, cp, illegal in any way"

Having it against your TOS. Means nothing, you should know that.

It's like someone selling a gun and saying "You should not use this to kill anyone."

Or like someone selling a computer and saying "You should not use this to pirate content."

Who is a child pornographer?

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 03:35 AM

Look, let me know show you what I mean about pages being generated on the fly.

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2...t_King_GFY.avi

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2...ed_by_SKUP.avi

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2..._OWN_TEXT_HERE!

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 03:44 AM

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Did CarrotPay allow any of the things I mentioned? "pirated, porn, cp, illegal in any way"

These are of course against CarrotPay's AUP. So no.

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Having it against your TOS. Means nothing, you should know that.

We are aware that people may ignore the TOS, but it needs to be said just the same. And we do proactively remove content, but we are not able to check every single file. Like I said, if an episode of "House' is uploaded, it's a lot easier to identify as copyright infringement than say a PDF file labelled "And Eye Witness Account.pdf" or "A23.p1.rar". So those may slip through the nets.

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Who is a child pornographer?

I do not seriously believe AdultKing or the folks at SFL to be child pornographers. But AdultKing and a few others are mindlessly posting links that are not active and using it against us as 'proof' that we host copyright content, despite the fact that you CANNOT download anything from those links.

I can make text appear on the SFL website through URL manipulation

stopfilelockers.com/?s=Enter_Text_Here

This is at least partially true with FileShoppe

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2...NTER_TEXT_HERE

The fact a link loads a page doesn't mean you can download anything.

Posting links means nothing because you can manipulate our download pages through the URL. In that way, you can make it look like we've hosted all kinds of garbage.

See: mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/JAUxBDkzUqn92xp2fIEaf7M/Change_This_Part_Ghost_In_the_Machine.avi

See the part: Change_This_Part_ ?

Change that to whatever you want and it will show up as the file name. The file size and other pertinent information is stored in the the jiberish part of the URL. It's long because it contains the user's merchant ID.

RegUser · 09-07-2012, 03:53 AM

Gentlemen
Enough of this BS chatter. Lets come down to meat of the matter.
It is FRIDAY so its time for the grim reaper's bounty count of the week.
AK
Any recent terminations? Or have they all been terminated already so pickings are rather slim **cackle**

AdultKing · 09-07-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

The file name size and price are all encoded directly into the URL.

The 'Try Premium for Free' is a promotional offer where we GIVE away US$1 to spend on our site. It is not a chancel to pay for anything. I'm sorry you do not see this.

There is no download button. And we do not have a signup process for downloaders. So where is the benefit? We don't sell anything on the page. The promotional $1 is a free GIFT we give away, not some sneaky way of getting their money. And even if they completed a Top-Up at Carrot, FileShoppe would not benefit at all from that.

The files is not available in any shape or form. We have absolutely no way of monetizing this. What exactly are we doing wrong?

You should return a clear message stating that the file has been removed.

The $1 promotional offer is not out of the goodness of your heart, it is to generate business via new users. At some point you would expect these users to pay for content, so you *are* benefiting from piracy in the case of someone signing up after following a pirate link.

You should display a plain message indicating that the file has gone, without offering a chance to sign up to your system that says Premium Mirrors above it, it gives the impression the file can be downloaded.

As for your othe points, you claim we have had no impact on your business so what we do does not concern you, so there's not much point you continuing your rants. You do what you do but don't be surprised that we hall do what we do.

SKUP · 09-07-2012, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

Look, let me know show you what I mean about pages being generated on the fly.

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2...t_King_GFY.avi

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2...ed_by_SKUP.avi

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2..._OWN_TEXT_HERE!

We already knew you are good at changing links. That is your business. Bravo.

Paul Markham · 09-07-2012, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

These are of course against CarrotPay's AUP. So no.

Then you have no way to comply with the contract you signed with CarrotPay. Odds are you knew that and ignored.

Now moaning because it bit you in the ass. Be thankful you were able to break the contract for so long and earn.

The rest of what you post is therefore meaningless.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 04:18 AM

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You should return a clear message stating that the file has been removed.

I'll recommend it to the developer. But you know you should make suggestions like this instead of make FALSE claims as you have.

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The $1 promotional offer is not out of the goodness of your heart, it is to generate business via new users. At some point you would expect these users to pay for content, so you *are* benefiting from piracy in the case of someone signing up after following a pirate link.

I'm struggling to understand your inability to understand. Of course we want people to try our services, so we give away $1 to see how easy it is and how well it works. This is the same as any host offering a 15 day free trial. But ultimately, we cannot make any money if the file is not for sale. So we cannot benefit if the file is gone.

If anyone benefits from piracy, it's anti-piracy companies that take a fee to submit take down requests. Why don't you go pick on them? Or are you one of them? Your site exists only because piracy exists. You accept paypal and actively encourage people to donate to you. So you benefit from piracy in the same way we 'benefit'. FileShoppe is not a profit making business so really we see no benefit.

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You should display a plain message indicating that the file has gone, without offering a chance to sign up to your system that says Premium Mirrors above it, it gives the impression the file can be downloaded.

Will take your suggestion to display a message under advisement. However, even IF we did benefit from people signing up to Carrot (which we DONT), what would the big deal be. All that would happen would be a criminal (someone who wants to get cheap content illegally) loses some money. If anything, that's the biggest deterrent to use our system for piracy.

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As for your othe points, you claim we have had no impact on your business so what we do does not concern you, so there's not much point you continuing your rants. You do what you do but don't be surprised that we hall do what we do.

Well you are spreading lies about us and our payment gateway. You are affecting everyone that takes CarrotPay as a payment method (assuming you are responsible for getting their Paypal taken down). And if yo are responsible for taking down that Paypal account mentioned on WJ that is NOT used with FileShoppe, then your actions are affecting another company which is engaged in purely legal activities.

You care not for the innocent people you adversely affect (I'm not talking about FileShoppe) under the guise of anti-piracy.

But what surprises me most, is your gloating over how 'much' you know and that you cannot disclose it until the operation is over. What a bunch of BS. You know jack-all! FileShoppe is a tiny TINY unknown service provider. If you really have some complex operation and diverting resources to 'take us down' you are wasting what little resources you have available. If you really knew anything about us, you would know we are not worth pursuing. But be my guest. Pursue all you like.

What bothers us is that you are spreading lies about us which may prevent legitimate use of our services. And your public declarations of us being a safe harbour for copyright content will only encourage MORE uploaders to upload that kind of content to us.

Makes no sense to me.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 04:25 AM

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We already knew you are good at changing links. That is your business. Bravo.

You too must be a retarded child pornographer. The point of that post was to show that ANYONE, including an idiot like you, can change the links to show the filename you want.

Changing the file name in the URL will result in download buttons NOT being generated.

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Then you have no way to comply with the contract you signed with CarrotPay. Odds are you knew that and ignored.

This is untrue. Look at 2CO for example. Technically, under the terms and conditions of their service, they 'resell' the products of their users and pay their users via bank transfer/payoneer. 2CO have no way of complying with Paypal if their users break the law. All they can do terminate the account that violates their policies.

Likewise, a user can sign up to Amazon and sell illegal goods. But they will likely find their account terminated once they are discovered.

Webhosts accept all number of payment gateways but they cannot police their user's content. And the gateway would not hold the host responsible for user's actions. Just look at MediaFire and RapidShare!

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Now moaning because it bit you in the ass. Be thankful you were able to break the contract for so long and earn.

You guys must think FileShoppe is a well endowed money making machine. Given we do not allow pirate material, we are actually a loss making business, subsidized by another company.

You people need to look past your preconceptions. Open your eyes a little.

Paul Markham · 09-07-2012, 04:26 AM

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So you were selling download connections to content that was probably 80% pirates and you knew it. And paying others to upload content you had no way of knowing (this is a lie as you could for just done a search for pirated content and seen when your site popped up) and now moaning you got caught.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. You know exactly what that means as it's not literal.

DWB · 09-07-2012, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

AdultKing, you really a showing how foolish you are. You cannot download anything from those links you provided. If you can't be bothered to do a simple 1 minute check, that's not really my fault or my problem. The pages are generated on the fly. If downloads are not possible, you simply will NOT see the 'Download' buttons.

Seriously, I would encourage anyone who believes AdultKing to simply check! I have even offered AdultKing a cash reward if he can find any real number of copyright infringing links.

AK doesn't have his finger on the nuke button. He provides billing companies with links that are questionable. The billing companies conduct their own independent investigations and determine if the links are infringing or not. AK doesn't make that call.

You need to take your issue up with whatever billing company dropped you, because they are the ones who did their own investigation and found your links to be infringing and your site in violation of their terms.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 04:36 AM

You know what guys. It's no wonder piracy is running rife. You point the finger left right and centre but you fail to actually do anything about it.

The whole reason why piracy is 'bad' is because it is supposed to mean 'less revenue' for the copyright holders. But the actions of SFL have likely affected business for legitimate users of CarrotPay and FileShoppe. Essentially those actions have the same effect as what pirates do!

Meanwhile, pirate sites are still free, and I suspect because you lot are sitting on your hands and not doing anything about it.

FileShoppe pro actively deletes files, and we have come here to cooperate with you people. But you snub your noses at us. If this is how you treat file hosts, it's no wonder they don't cooperate with you lot.

And as for the links provided by members here, they are ALL inactive now, and most were inactive yesterday. Just because the people who posted them were too stupid, or too lazy to check that the files were not actually available, isn't really an excuse for spreading lies.

I'm sure if a campaign were to be organized, attacking SFL, there would be many a pirate willin to participate and make outrageous baseless claims, posting links and other manufactured 'evidence' to show that SFL is actually a criminal organization engaged in all manor of criminal activity.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 04:37 AM

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AK doesn't have his finger on the nuke button. He provides billing companies with links that are questionable. The billing companies conduct their own independent investigations and determine if the links are infringing or not. AK doesn't make that call.

You need to take your issue up with whatever billing company dropped you, because they are the ones who did their own investigation and found your links to be infringing and your site in violation of their terms.

We have not had our gateway dropped. Transactions are still possible.

SKUP · 09-07-2012, 04:46 AM

[QUOTE=FShoppe;19175109]You too must be a retarded child pornographer. The point of that post was to show that ANYONE, including an idiot like you, can change the links to show the filename you want.

It always ends up like this. When we sent the DMCA's guys like you are always friendly. After sending a few thousands you get the creeps. After that you start throwing names and come up with funny accusations. 9 out of 10 times shortly after that the concerning domain is offered for sale

DWB · 09-07-2012, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FShoppe

We have not had our gateway dropped. Transactions are still possible.

So then what is all this hoopla about?

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 04:55 AM

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It always ends up like this. When we sent the DMCA's guys like you are always friendly. After sending a few thousands you get the creeps. After that you start throwing names and come up with funny accusations. 9 out of 10 times shortly after that the concerning domain is offered for sale

We haven't received ANY take down requests as of yet.

Name calling is reciprocal. That means BOTH ways.

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So then what is all this hoopla about?

If we expect to grow and be used by legitimate users, we can't very well have a reputation for supporting the sharing of copyright material now can we!

These accusations just make it more likely we will be used by the WRONG kind of people.

On a side note, love the word hoopla! Not sure why :P

AdultKing · 09-07-2012, 04:56 AM

FileShoppe, are you willing to allow Copy Control access to your back end and audit your operation for piracy ? If not your offering cooperation is meaningless.

notjoe · 09-07-2012, 05:12 AM

2651 Infractions noted!

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Having it against your TOS. Means nothing, you should know that.

So, Paypal having a AUP means nothing? Users of Paypal generate infractions and are thus terminated. How is this guy's AUP any different (assuming he follows his AUP).

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's like someone selling a gun and saying "You should not use this to kill anyone."

The above happens all the time. Many guys are bought and sold with the implication you should not be using it to kill people...then again that is what we have a law for.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Or like someone selling a computer and saying "You should not use this to pirate content."

What a person does with their own computer is their own business as long as it is within the law of their location.

You seem to be confused (no big surprise there). Let me explain to you how things work. Any AUP is only as enforceable as the law allows it to be. For example, someone can sell me a gun and tell me that I can go kill someone if I want but that doen't make it legal or right to do. It's the same thing with an AUP. It can define what I am allowed to do and not do with their service but still needs to fall under the constraints of the law.

FShoppe · 09-07-2012, 05:16 AM

If by copy control, you mean YOU? Then no. What's their website? Who are they run by? Are they a recognized organization? Are they sanctioned by any authorities? Will happily give access to organized groups.

But if you are an unrecognised, unregulated, unauthorized independent group, god no! As far as we know, you could be working for the likes of RapidShare or MediaFire looking to squash the competition. If you have COMPLETE unrestricted access to our database, you can fabricate or modify entries to distort the truth.

AdultKing · 09-07-2012, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FShoppe

If by copy control, you mean YOU? Then no. What's their website? Who are they run by? Are they a recognized organization? Are they sanctioned by any authorities? Will happily give access to organized groups.

But if you are an unrecognised, unregulated, unauthorized independent group, god no! As far as we know, you could be working for the likes of RapidShare or MediaFire looking to squash the competition. If you have COMPLETE unrestricted access to our database, you can fabricate or modify entries to distort the truth.

Just the answer I was expecting. Thank you.

09-06-2012, 05:35 PM	#2615
hdbuilder Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,338	Great job AK!! I have been following this thread for a while but never said anything. Since you started SFL I have been visiting WPj once a day just to read the new posts from upload monkeys, I am now sure to get a good laugh at least once a day. Some file hosts usually respect the model of adding new PayPal accounts they had on ice when theirs is cut, then add more weird processors on the long term afterwards. Now FShoppe is just wiser than the others, he created a different type of model, backed by a micropayment system rewarding a PPD scheme, but he got cut. That's it That's all. He may be more imaginative but at the end it's the same, how to make money with infringement content... Last edited by hdbuilder; 09-06-2012 at 05:41 PM..

09-07-2012, 03:14 AM	#2626
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	FShoppe unless someone permanently checks every upload, you don't know what you are supplying and billing via Paypal. Could be pirated, porn, cp, illegal in any way or just breaking Paypal's Terms and Conditions. Welcome to the real world. If every file on your server is checked, how did these get through? These for example, still there after you knowing about them for 24 hours. Anal Virgins 3 (2012) DVD Rip http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/d.../AV3.part1.rar http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/u.../AV3.part2.rar http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/8.../AV3.part3.rar __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-06-2012, 04:27 PM	#2609
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	Oh I apologize Nautilus, , I forgot I wasn't talking to AdultKing any more.

09-06-2012, 06:26 PM	#2616
krylon Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 225	hdbuilder, love your avatar.

09-06-2012, 09:37 PM	#2619
anexsia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,735	I talked to Paypal tonight on the phone about a recent transaction on my account and like always they were super nice, solved my problem, and spoke English. I love Paypal and I'm glad they're taking down these people that are using their accounts for copyright infringement. I see lots of people talk shit about Paypal but I've had less problems with them then with my own damn bank account.

09-07-2012, 03:07 AM	#2623
SKUP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 400	Hey Fshoppe. Can you pleasse open your own thread and stop polluting this one. Thank you.

09-07-2012, 03:30 AM	#2630
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	That would be AdultKing and the good folks at StopFileLockers Just see the link I posted above clearly showing a page advertising they sell Child Porn.

09-07-2012, 03:35 AM	#2632
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	Look, let me know show you what I mean about pages being generated on the fly. http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2...t_King_GFY.avi http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2...ed_by_SKUP.avi http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/2..._OWN_TEXT_HERE!

09-07-2012, 03:53 AM	#2634
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	Gentlemen Enough of this BS chatter. Lets come down to meat of the matter. It is FRIDAY so its time for the grim reaper's bounty count of the week. AK Any recent terminations? Or have they all been terminated already so pickings are rather slim cackle

09-07-2012, 04:36 AM	#2642
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	You know what guys. It's no wonder piracy is running rife. You point the finger left right and centre but you fail to actually do anything about it. The whole reason why piracy is 'bad' is because it is supposed to mean 'less revenue' for the copyright holders. But the actions of SFL have likely affected business for legitimate users of CarrotPay and FileShoppe. Essentially those actions have the same effect as what pirates do! Meanwhile, pirate sites are still free, and I suspect because you lot are sitting on your hands and not doing anything about it. FileShoppe pro actively deletes files, and we have come here to cooperate with you people. But you snub your noses at us. If this is how you treat file hosts, it's no wonder they don't cooperate with you lot. And as for the links provided by members here, they are ALL inactive now, and most were inactive yesterday. Just because the people who posted them were too stupid, or too lazy to check that the files were not actually available, isn't really an excuse for spreading lies. I'm sure if a campaign were to be organized, attacking SFL, there would be many a pirate willin to participate and make outrageous baseless claims, posting links and other manufactured 'evidence' to show that SFL is actually a criminal organization engaged in all manor of criminal activity.

09-07-2012, 04:46 AM	#2644
SKUP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 400	[QUOTE=FShoppe;19175109]You too must be a retarded child pornographer. The point of that post was to show that ANYONE, including an idiot like you, can change the links to show the filename you want. It always ends up like this. When we sent the DMCA's guys like you are always friendly. After sending a few thousands you get the creeps. After that you start throwing names and come up with funny accusations. 9 out of 10 times shortly after that the concerning domain is offered for sale

09-07-2012, 04:56 AM	#2647
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	FileShoppe, are you willing to allow Copy Control access to your back end and audit your operation for piracy ? If not your offering cooperation is meaningless.

09-07-2012, 05:16 AM	#2649
FShoppe Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	If by copy control, you mean YOU? Then no. What's their website? Who are they run by? Are they a recognized organization? Are they sanctioned by any authorities? Will happily give access to organized groups. But if you are an unrecognised, unregulated, unauthorized independent group, god no! As far as we know, you could be working for the likes of RapidShare or MediaFire looking to squash the competition. If you have COMPLETE unrestricted access to our database, you can fabricate or modify entries to distort the truth.