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Even more sad when it's the children who suffer, most wouldn't have even had any choice in the matter

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90L07H20130122

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...vaccine-report


"Emelie Olsson is plagued by hallucinations and nightmares. When she wakes up, she's often paralyzed, unable to breathe properly or call for help. During the day she can barely stay awake, and often misses school or having fun with friends. She is only 14, but at times she has wondered if her life is worth living.

Emelie is one of around 800 children in Sweden and elsewhere in Europe who developed narcolepsy, an incurable sleep disorder, after being immunized with the Pandemrix H1N1 swine flu vaccine made by British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline in 2009.

Finland, Norway, Ireland and France have seen spikes in narcolepsy cases, too, and people familiar with the results of a soon-to-be-published study in Britain have told Reuters it will show a similar pattern in children there.

Their fate, coping with an illness that all but destroys normal life, is developing into what the health official who coordinated Sweden's vaccination campaign calls a "medical tragedy" that will demand rising scientific and medical attention.

Europe's drugs regulator has ruled Pandemrix should no longer be used in people aged under 20. The chief medical officer at GSK's vaccines division, Norman Begg, says his firm views the issue extremely seriously and is "absolutely committed to getting to the bottom of this", but adds there is not yet enough data or evidence to suggest a causal link.

Others - including Emmanuel Mignot, one of the world's leading experts on narcolepsy, who is being funded by GSK to investigate further - agree more research is needed but say the evidence is already clearly pointing in one direction.

"There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Pandemrix increased the occurrence of narcolepsy onset in children in some countries - and probably in most countries," says Mignot, a specialist in the sleep disorder at Stanford University in the United States.

30 MILLION RECEIVED PANDEMRIX

In total, the GSK shot was given to more than 30 million people in 47 countries during the 2009-2010 H1N1 swine flu pandemic. Because it contains an adjuvant, or booster, it was not used in the United States because drug regulators there are wary of adjuvanted vaccines.

GSK says 795 people across Europe have reported developing narcolepsy since the vaccine's use began in 2009.

Questions about how the narcolepsy cases are linked to Pandemrix, what the triggers and biological mechanisms might have been, and whether there might be a genetic susceptibility are currently the subject of deep scientific investigation.

But experts on all sides are wary. Rare adverse reactions can swiftly develop into "vaccine scares" that spiral out of proportion and cast what one of Europe's top flu experts calls a "long shadow" over public confidence in vaccines that control potential killers like measles and polio.

"No-one wants to be the next Wakefield," said Mignot, referring to the now discredited British doctor Andrew Wakefield who sparked a decades-long backlash against the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) shot with false claims of links to autism.

With the narcolepsy studies, there is no suggestion that the findings are the work of one rogue doctor.

Independent teams of scientists have published peer-reviewed studies from Sweden, Finland and Ireland showing the risk of developing narcolepsy after the 2009-2010 immunization campaign was between seven and 13 times higher for children who had Pandemrix than for their unvaccinated peers.

"We really do want to get to the bottom of this. It's not in anyone's interests if there is a safety issue that needs to be addressed," said GSK's Begg.

LIFE CHANGED

Emelie's parents, Charles and Marie Olsson, say she was a top student who loved playing the piano, taking tennis lessons, creating art and having fun with friends. But her life started to change in early 2010, a few months after she had Pandemrix. In the spring of 2010, they noticed she was often tired, needing to sleep when she came home from school.

But it wasn't until May, when she began collapsing at school, that it became clear something serious was happening.

As well as the life-limiting bouts of daytime sleepiness, narcolepsy brings nightmares, hallucinations, sleep paralysis and episodes of cataplexy - when strong emotions trigger a sudden and dramatic loss of muscle strength.

In Emelie's case, having fun is the emotional trigger. "I can't laugh or joke about with my friends any more, because when I do I get cataplexies and collapse," she said in an interview at her home in the Swedish capital.

Narcolepsy is estimated to affect between 200 and 500 people per million and is a lifelong condition. It has no known cure and scientists don't really know what causes it. But they do know patients have a deficit of a brain neurotransmitter called orexin, also known as hypocretin, which regulates wakefulness.

Research has found that some people are born with a variant in a gene known as HLA that means they have low hypocretin, making them more susceptible to narcolepsy. Around 25 percent of Europeans are thought to have this genetic vulnerability.

When results of Emelie's hypocretin test came back in November last year, it showed she had 15 percent of the normal amount, typical of heavy narcolepsy with cataplexy.

The seriousness of her strange new illness has forced her to contemplate life far more than many other young teens: "In the beginning I didn't really want to live any more, but now I have learned to handle things better," she said.

TRIGGERS?

Scientists investigating these cases are looking in detail at Pandemrix's adjuvant, called AS03, for clues.

Some suggest AS03, or maybe its boosting effect, or even the H1N1 flu itself, may have triggered the onset of narcolepsy in those who have the susceptible HLA gene variant.

Angus Nicoll, a flu expert at the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC), says genes may well play a part, but don't tell the whole story.

"Yes, there's a genetic predisposition to this condition, but that alone cannot explain these cases," he said. "There was also something to do with receiving this specific vaccination. Whether it was the vaccine plus the genetic disposition alone or a third factor as well - like another infection - we simply do not know yet."

GSK is funding a study in Canada, where its adjuvanted vaccine Arepanrix, similar to Pandemrix, was used during the 2009-2010 pandemic. The study won't be completed until 2014, and some experts fear it may not shed much light since the vaccines were similar but not precisely the same.

It all leaves this investigation with far more questions than answers, and a lot more research ahead.

WAS IT WORTH IT?

In his glass-topped office building overlooking the Maria Magdalena church in Stockholm, Goran Stiernstedt, a doctor turned public health official, has spent many difficult hours going over what happened in his country during the swine flu pandemic, wondering if things should have been different.

"The big question is was it worth it? And retrospectively I have to say it was not," he told Reuters in an interview.

Being a wealthy country, Sweden was at the front of the queue for pandemic vaccines. It got Pandemrix from GSK almost as soon as it was available, and a nationwide campaign got uptake of the vaccine to 59 percent, meaning around 5 million people got the shot.

Stiernstedt, director for health and social care at the Swedish Association of Local Authorities and Regions, helped coordinate the vaccination campaign across Sweden's 21 regions.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) says the 2009-2010 pandemic killed 18,500 people, although a study last year said that total might be up to 15 times higher.

While estimates vary, Stiernstedt says Sweden's mass vaccination saved between 30 and 60 people from swine flu death. Yet since the pandemic ended, more than 200 cases of narcolepsy have been reported in Sweden.

With hindsight, this risk-benefit balance is unacceptable. "This is a medical tragedy," he said. "Hundreds of young people have had their lives almost destroyed."

PANDEMICS ARE EMERGENCIES

Yet the problem with risk-benefit analyses is that they often look radically different when the world is facing a pandemic with the potential to wipe out millions than they do when it has emerged relatively unscathed from one, like H1N1, which turned out to be much milder than first feared.

David Salisbury, the British government's director of immunization, says "therein lies the risk, and the difficulty, of working in public health" when a viral emergency hits.

"In the event of a severe pandemic, the risk of death is far higher than the risk of narcolepsy," he told Reuters. "If we spent longer developing and testing the vaccine on very large numbers of people and waited to see whether any of them developed narcolepsy, much of the population might be dead."

Pandemrix was authorized by European drug regulators using a so-called "mock-up procedure" that allows a vaccine to be authorized ahead of a possible pandemic using another flu strain. In Pandemrix's case, the substitute was H5N1 bird flu.

When the WHO declared a pandemic, GSK replaced the mock-up's strain with the pandemic-causing H1N1 strain to form Pandemrix.

GSK says the final H1N1 version was tested in trials involving around 3,600 patients, including children, adolescents, adults and the elderly, before it was rolled out."

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Imortyl Pussycat

holy crap...and i just posted on another board that i wanted to get a flu shot for the first time next year. F that

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ottopottomouse

1/37500 getting a bad reaction to something is very low.

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wehateporn

Keep clear, the Pharmaceuticals profit from you being sick, these vaccines are to increase their market size by making more sick people

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it is not if you are trying to scare people which is what ihateporn is trying to do

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wehateporn

They don't actually track what happens after vaccination, so the number will be a lot higher. The system has been designed so as not to show the real long term effects of vaccination.

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Markul

Unless you are as old as Paul M. or have a really poor immune system, there is absolutely no need to take a fucking flu shot.

wehateporn

Very true Markul

In the US the propaganda is at full force, they've even got Dr Oz and Piers Morgan involved, you might know that Dr Oz refuses to vaccinate his own children, but tells us that we should all vaccinate ours

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NALEM

I read the story you posted the other day. This is actually old news, but there is very little media attention give to it, and other matters similar to it. Sadly most people,especially Americans are complacent.

Markul you are 100% correct.

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_Richard_

with that logic the annual sacrifices back in the day was perfectly fine too

ottopottomouse

Well in this country if you go to the doctors after taking something and going wonky they send off an adverse drug reaction report to the pharmaceutical company making it and the MHRA. Doubt other countries are much different.

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BlackCrayon

supposedly its because his wife doesn't believe in the flu shot. would you even recommend pregnant women and the elderly not get flu shots either?

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_Richard_

would we recommend that pregnant women and elderly not infect themselves with a specific strain of flu.. when all science shows that 'run away' flu viruses require massive amounts of dead bodies sitting around during a war, mutating regular flu strains into something 'severe' enough to kill millions of people?

why would the old and pregnant infect themselves with 'regular' flu viruses?

BlackCrayon

well people do die every year from the flu, typically old people. they say pregnant women should get them because their immune system isn't as strong while pregnant. so i guess what you're saying is the flu shot will only protect against one strain when there are many out there. there seems to be a lot of the flu going around this year, emergency rooms packed with people who have the flu. studies done have shown pregnant women who get the flu shot typically have babies who have a healthier weight than those who don't. then you have those who say the flu shot can cause autism in babies who's mothers recieved the flu shot while pregnant.. though they have little to no proof this is true. there are also studies that say high fevers caused by the flu while pregnant could possibly cause autism in the child. i am not "pro flu shot" but there is a ton of conflicting info out there.

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_Richard_

but we let old people, women, and children die in the street every day

yet when it comes to a flu shot that, according to your own sentence: "there seems to be a lot of the flu going around this year, emergency rooms packed with people who have the flu. ", not only doesn't appear to work, but even expedites the problem, it's all 'are you really saying pregnant woman shouldn't help their already weak immune system'

remind me again.. even with insurance, a US citizen would still have to pay for the use of these 'packed emergency rooms'

yes?

BlackCrayon

im talking about canada, i don't know whats going on the US in terms of the flu. what percentage of the population gets vaccinated anyways? i had the flu shot once and don't know of anyone who gets it. my girlfriend is pregnant and her doctor wants her to get the flu shot but i am not crazy about the idea. i've done lots of reading on it and there is so much conflicting info, its ridiculous. i am not trying to make this some kind of debate about letting people die in the streets or US healthcare problems.

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newB

What?

Viruses do not live off dead bodies. Viruses cannot replicate on their own and instead make use of a living hosts replication/division mechanisms.

Also, viruses are highly mutable, so the more people who catch the flu results in even more variants - thus reducing the efficacy of any particular vaccine. Each year, the flu vaccine is a 'best guess' as to which strains are thought to pose the greatest risk.

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Klen

In last 5 years i only got sick when i took vaccine.

_Richard_

im not trying to make it a debate either. What i am trying to do is put a few things in perspective for you (what is and isn't important, and what is portrayed all your life via various media avenues that just ends up making certain people a lot of money)

in the US.. you can get a flu shot right at the airport, or CVS or any other random location and that isn't the case in Canada.. yet.

im not going to try and advocate against a doctors advice. What i will advocate however, is women have been giving birth for longer than we have had a species for, and if i were in your shoes i'd go with the 'expert opinion'

_Richard_

can you point out where i said they did when you have finished laughing?

then we can start talking about what i was really talking about and not what you gleaned from the quick read

wehateporn

Yep true, the Narcolepsy story has appeared before, it's good to see it getting more publicity, but still nowhere near as much as there should be. The story I posted the other day, I think that was the one from Chad, I see they're trying to cover it up already.

You're right, I see that most Americans seem to be almost religious with their trust of the pharmaceuticals, no matter what evidence one gives them it fall on deaf ears. Here in Britain people are trusting too, but not quite as bad. Fortunately vaccines are not pushed as strongly here as they are in the US.

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newB

So what were you really talking about?

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wehateporn

If the reaction happens right away, it will often be reported. Though there are still reasons why the doctor might try to avoid this e.g. avoid getting bad reputation.

The difficulty with vaccines is that you would have to study the patient for around 90 days to see if they were starting off with an autoimmune disease such as Diabetes Type 1, MS etc. If they go down with Cancer due to the vaccine, it could be years later. None of this is tracked. Too often we hear 'Genetics', while the vaccines are ignored. The system is designed to make this hard to spot. To make it worse, the vaccine studies do not include the unvaccinated, as a control they use the same ingredients but without the virus, so they still include the mouse brain, aborted fetus cells, formaldehyde, antifreeze etc. It is rare that you'll see a mid or long term study on a vaccine, so we don't know what happens to people after 5 years, 10 years or more. It's all based on a huge assumption that vaccines are safe.

It's a similar scam to what used to go on when cigarettes would be proven to be 'healthy'. It's corporate science with is effectively marketing, this is not real science. When a real scientist shows up and starts try to find the truth, they will have their funding pulled and their good name smeared.

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_Richard_

spanish flu kills 20-40 million people, and started in 1918

killing more people than the 'great war', or world war one, ending in.. 1918

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newB

Be that as it may, the virus still did not "require massive amounts of dead bodies" nor were said dead bodies responsible for the inherent mutability of the virus.

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_Richard_

are you sure? what other massive flu epidemics have we had?

in 1917 the world population was 1.8 billion people.. and somehow, in an area that had a bunch of dead bodies rotting in the mud, sparked a flu that killed off more people than the original war to begin with

now, we have 6 billion people, no massive trench wars, and yet, no massive flu. We have all the organizations of course, all the tax dollars going to pay these wonderful doctors and lawyers and politicians.. but.. no flu.

wehateporn

Dr Oz is very smart, unfortunately he's had to shill himself out a bit in order to stand where he does now. The anti-vaccine thing will definitely be him, and possibly his wife as well, but if he ever admitted that he'd have his career taken away from him in Andrew Wakefield style.

They used to say no vaccines for pregnant women, this was so as they didn't risk damaging the unborn baby. When the 'Swine Flu' program was launched, suddenly the rules of the game had changed; pregnant women were to be first. What's really going on here? It's female fertility that's being targeted. The Swine Flu vaccines had a warning on the package 'Has not been evaluated for impairment of fertility', this is their way of protecting themselves if proof ever comes out that their injection destroyed your fertility. Destroying fertility is one of the main objectives of the vaccine, the Pharmaceuticals know damn well what the injection will do.

There's also been a huge increase in miscarriages since they started vaccinating pregnant women, I strongly recommend any pregnant woman to stay well clear of vaccines, as the consequences of vaccine damage to their unborn would be tragic.

Massive increase in miscarriages from flu vaccine
http://www.examiner.com/article/mass...ne-ncow-claims

As for the elderly, their immune systems don't react much to vaccines at all, so it's a waste of time. However, there's another reason why these vaccines/injections are being given to the elderly, which some people will find difficult to accept. It all comes down to inheritance, it's something that really annoys the Elite; they want us to have need to submit for employment, but when we've just inherited the life savings of our parents, a lot of us won't have the same need to work. How to deal with this? You want the elderly to die in care, where they will have their life savings drained away at a rapid rate. To do this one has to target their brain without damaging their body. This is where what we know as 'The Old Persons Flu Shot' comes in, it's in reality an injection of aluminum, year after year it builds up in the brain, until eventually the recipient will go down with Alzheimer's/Dementia.

"Consider what Hugh Fudenburg, (www.nitrf.org/fudenberg.html), the world's leading geneticist with hundreds of original publications, has to say about the flu vaccine: "We have found that clinically normal individuals aged 60-65 who receive influenza vaccine three or four times during a five-year period, will five years later have an incidence of Alzheimer's disease 10-fold greater than age-matched individuals who did not receive it."
http://www.secondopinionnewsletter.c...s-Drugs-Do.htm


An important point to make is that if the 'Research' is from the corporations, it tends to be positive, whereas when it's independent, it's very often negative. The Pharmaceuticals like to do their own research, they keep it all secretly stashed away and we have to take their word for it. Our hopes are the universities, which are sometimes independent (dependent on who is funding) and also the likes of the independent internationally renowned not for profit Cochrane Collaboration. Here's one of their studies on flu vaccines. Here the Cochrane Collaboration warn that there are no studies showing that the flu vaccines are safe or effective http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/55507.php in their study they also point out that the Pharmaceuticals have clearly been manipulating the results of their own studies.

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This one's an interesting read _Richard_

THE SPANISH INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC OF 1918 WAS CAUSED BY VACCINATIONS
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html

" I WAS AN ON-THE-SPOT OBSERVER OF THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC

All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead the next. The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War 1. Practically the entire population had been injected "seeded" with a dozen or more diseases — or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic.

That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others, that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing disease.

When the flu was at its peak, all the stores were closed as well as the schools, businesses — even the hospital, as the doctors and nurses had been vaccinated too and were down with the flu. No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. We seemed to be the only family which didn’t get the flu; so my parents went from house to house doing what they could to look after the sick, as it was impossible to get a doctor then. If it were possible for germs, bacteria, virus, or bacilli to cause disease, they had plenty of opportunity to attack my parents when they were spending many hours a day in the sick rooms. But they didn’t get the flu and they didn’t bring any germs home to attack us children and cause anything. None of our family had the flu — not even a sniffle— and it was in the winter with deep snow on the ground.

When I see people cringe when someone near them sneezes or coughs, I wonder how long it will take them to find out that they can’t catch it — whatever it is. The only way they can get a disease is to develop it themselves by wrong eating, drinking, smoking or doing some other things which cause internal poisoning and lowered vitality. All diseases are preventable and most of them are cureable with the right methods, not known to medical doctors, and not all drugless doctors know them either.

It has been said that the 1918 flu epidemic killed 20,000,000 people throughout the world. But, actually, the doctors killed them with their crude and deadly treatments and drugs. This is a harsh accusation but it is nevertheless true, judging by the success of the drugless doctors in comparison with that of the medical doctors.

While the medical men and medical hospitals were losing 33% of their flu cases, the non-medical hospitals such as BATTLE CREEK, KELLOGG and MACFADDEN’S HEALTH-RESTORIUM were getting almost 100% healings with their water cure, baths, enemas, etc., fasting and certain other simple healing methods, followed by carefully worked out diets of natural foods. One health doctor didn’t lose a patient in eight years. The very successful health treatment of one of those drugless doctors who didn’t lose any patients will be given in the other part of this book, titled VACCINATION CONDEMNED, to be published a little later.

If the medical doctors had been as advanced as the drugless doctors, there would not have been those 20 million deaths from the medical flu treatment.

There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against. One soldier who had returned from overseas in 1912 told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why grown men should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine poisoning. Those at home didn’t get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918."

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_Richard_

thanks, ill read it tonight

what's concerning is the french/british/german dabbling in chemical and biological warfare during this war

NALEM

Back in November I flew into California just in time to vote. One of the Propositions on the ballot had to do with labeling foods as genetically modified when so. I was hoping for an outright ban of foods engineered. Figured labeling of it would be a no brainer, and the citizens would vote for the required labeling in. OMFG ... they didn't.

I do love this country ... but the people here need

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_Richard_

my understanding is it doesn't matter.. you have one crop of GMO and another with non GMO.. seeding happens..

PornoMonster

The Shot is Normally 1 to 3 of the most common strains going around. So the Shot will NOT protect you from all the strains.
The Shot is a DEAD Virus and you can NOT catch the Flu from it. Some people will feel sick for a day, because their bodies are making antibodies. This happens to me, and it is NOTHING compared to having full blown flu. I get my shot on a Friday ....

The Nasal Spray IS a Live Virus and should NOT be taken by the people that are at risk for lower immunity. They estimate this will be a record year for the Flu and deaths. But then again, it is an educated guess, that if they are wrong we are happy!

Hope this helps...

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wehateporn

The Fluoride plays it's part, but people are lazy too, people view these topics as boring and can't hold their attention onto them. It's getting harder to avoid the frankenfood, here it is labeled, but still difficult to avoid.

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Agreed

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wehateporn

This is a sure sign of check-book science, so somebody is paying for 'Results' not for 'Studies', it's generally whoever stands to make money out of it. In this case it's the Pharmaceuticals who will be paying for results, as there's no obvious rival product, at least not one which is seen as serious competition. The Pharmaceuticals are trying to drown out the real studies with their 'check-book' studies.

One of the main dangers for the unborn is that their blood-brain-barrier is not formed, this means it's a lot easier for substances to cross from their blood into their brain, if those toxic substances from the vaccine get inside the little unborn baby's brain, it's not a happy ending.

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newB

There have been several flu pandemics, but the Spanish flu was the most fatal in recorded history.

I would say the blame probably lies with the particular strain (H1N1), though other factors that reduced the populations ability to cope with infection (such as access to clean water and balanced nutrition) may certainly have played a role.

Just as this years flu appears to be more lethal than last years, though environmental factors appear to be relatively constant.

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wehateporn

Here's a fascinating change made to the plans to vaccinate pregnant women in Switzerland back in 2009; they removed some of the poisons.

Adverse effects of vaccine's adjuvant are leading to changes in Switzerland - pregnant women and children will get non-adjuvanted vaccine
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adverse12.html

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BlackCrayon, one more interesting story... from here http://www.whale.to/vaccine/pregnancy_vax_h.html

"[2009 June] In Memory of Marina McQuaig Marina passed away at the age of eight on November 26, 2008. Marina suffered from a severe seizure disorder precipitated by vaccination and re-vaccination.... "I was given a flu shot with thimerosal [a mercury-containing preservative] when I was eleven weeks pregnant with Marina.....I avoided using asthma medication because I didn't want to harm my developing baby, but then I had to use it because the flu shot gave me oculo-respiratory syndrome and I couldn't breathe.....Marina was born with cutis applaisia [improper skin development] on her hands and feet, which to me is an obvious result of the vaccine because the last layer of skin forms at around the eleventh week of pregnancy.
At two months she was diagnosed with epilepsy but she usually would never have more than one or two seizures a day. Because health authorities do not withhold vaccination for something they consider such a minor health problem [ie an evolving neurological condition], Marina was injected with all the usual infant vaccines on schedule at 2, 4, 6 and 12 months. Looking back, she did have reactions to most of the vaccines but we never linked it the way we should have.
At 18 months, Marina was due for the seven vaccines given then: diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, Haemophilus Infiuenzae B, chickenpox and meningococcus. She had been free of seizures for a year except for one possible seizure we didn't see but suspected two weeks behafore the 18 month vaccines.
We told our paediatrician and the health nurse about this but the nurse told me they changed the vaccine and it no longer affected seizures. At the time of the vaccines Marina had a cold. I kept asking the nurse if it was all right to go ahead. She said yes - just give Marina Tylenol for the next twenty four hours."
The result was: a two week stay at Children's Hospital with one week in the ICU; unremitting seizures followed by seizures almost daily, up to more than fifteen per day; Marina came close to death 60 hrs after the seven doses. Unbelievably, public health carried on as if nothing had happened."
.......because public health denies any connection, what's happened to Marina will not go to 'statistics' to help prevent the same thing happening again. I hope one day. if enough parents continue to tell their stories, our children will be protected."

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I noticed the other animals aren't getting the flu.

epitome

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

No flu shot and I've been sick since December 27th. I thought I was over it and a new icky thing happened a few days later.

wehateporn

The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

"CONCLUSION:

Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."

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DamianJ

Such ignorance in one thread. Congrats!

CrocMint

Flu vaccines are totally useless, because flu virus is different every time.
This all is big scam.
If your immune system is OK, you'll get fine in a few days. If not - flu shot is not gonna help.

Poor kids.. i hope in these countries vaccination is still not mandatory.

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_Richard_

uhuh

hmmm

actually this was a great read.. thanks

EonBlue

From the article you posted:

You didn't even read the article you posted?


How do you sleep at night posting such garbage?

EonBlue

Here's the kind of stuff that is happening because of fear mongering people like wehateporn:


Measles Returns: Many in U.S. at Risk From "Eradicated" Disease, Experts Warn


Polio Making Rapid Comeback, Poses Epidemic Risk, Scientists Say

_Richard_

wait.. wehateporn is the 'fear mongering' one..

and you're the one posting links about problems that 'could' exist or 'already exist'?

woj

I would add zinc as well:

"Zinc administered within 24 hours of onset of symptoms reduces the duration and severity of the common cold in healthy people. When supplemented for at least five months, it reduces cold incidence, school absenteeism and prescription of antibiotics in children."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21328251

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