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_Richard_

my logic?

by your logic, according to a free market, that's exactly what should happen

what blows my mind, is you think this is YOUR argument.

Captain Kawaii

- Americans always love a good rapist. Wak-Mart, Congress et al.

sperbonzo

How do you get that statement? By my logic, in a free market, I don't think that there should be a minimum wage at all..... but since there is one, and Walmart is complying with it, then what are they doing wrong? If you want everyone who is now getting government assistance to have a wage that doesn't qualify them for it, you need to raise that minimum to something about $17 per hour..... of course that will drive prices up, and then people will again demand more government assistance...

The whole "controversy" is a sham really. If people don't want to work there, then they don't have too. If people don't want to shop there then they don't have too. If Walmart wants to offer 10 cents per hour, and no one come to work for them, then that is their right also. If they want to only have people work for them who have PHDs, then this is also their right. The only thing that is being forced in this situation is that the government is forcing some people to give up their money in order to give it to other people. Mark my words, if the minimum wage was raised to $20 tomorrow, then the income level that was qualified for some type of government assistance would be raised to $60k per year next week.




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ThunderBalls

Give him a break, the Nile River didnt exist the first time he heard this expression.

_Richard_

i don't wanna interfere with your programming.

however, keep banging the libertarian party rhetoric, while you promote big business, no mimimum wage, working in finance.

L-Pink

Middle America is what pulls up low paid entry level workers not big business. And right now no one is hurting more than the middle class.

Rochard

It's not corporate welfare at all; It's a part time job. If you aren't making enough money at your part time job to make ends meet, you look for a better job.

If this is corporate welfare then nearly half of the businesses we use are guilty of this. I am friendly with the chick who works as a cashier - she's a single mother and doesn't make enough money working full time to make ends meet. Should I not buy gas there because they don't pay their employees enough? Should she go work at another gas station where they will pay her the same amount?

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baddog

You are wasting your breath with that bimbo.

_Richard_

ah, so you can't admit it's corporate welfare on the basis of how prevalent corporate welfare is?

odd.

the level of maturity i have come to expect from your generation.

thanks for not disappointing.

Rochard

So the sandwich shop down the street who hires people part time for the lunch rush and pay crappy wages is engaged in corporate welfare?

I'm not saying I agree with the way Wal Mart operates, but if you give them the option to get out of spending billions on healthcare this is what happens. If I had it my way, ALL employers would be required to carry full time health benefits for ALL employees, including part time.

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SilentKnight

Pupos grocery.

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sarettah

At least with Walmart that money is staying in the U.S. (I think Arkansas is still part of the U.S., isn't it? I always get confused about Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee)

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TheSquealer

They have 2.2 million employees

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Phoenix

walmart shoppers love meatspin

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sarettah

I must live in "Walmart Country"



Edited in: just for reference, I can generally drive east to west or north across that entire area in about a half hour. North or south, the same thing. So, I have 20 Walmarts available in a half hour drive from my house.

Don't know if that is good or bad.

sarettah

Growth of Walmart in the US from 1961 through 2010.



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qwe

as a customer I don't give a fuck as long as shit that I buy is cheaper... fuck mom and pops shops, they all used to charge way too much for products... why is everyone in love with mom and pops stores ? does everyone love to bend over and pay more ?

KillerK

The problem...

They come in and offer lower prices, then slow increase the prices after they've defeated the competition (which there isn't any because a roll of Bounty papertowels at warlmart will be like .99c where the mom and pop its $2). Then later the .99c deal becomes $1.79.

Phoenix

the issue is cheaper...means cheaper in every way.

garbage produced with who knows what from who knows where.

when i buy products especially stuff for my kids i like to know where it comes from and what is in it.

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L-Pink

Aren't you tired of limited selection and buying cheap crap that comes from china? Thank walmart.

Rochard

In this case the competition was defeated before WalMart got here. The Rainbow Market was the anchor of a small mall, and all of the other businesses went down with it - including our Taco Bell (fuck!).

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baddog

I presume you have examples of that happening in real life.

mikesinner

Right now they are hiring people and then laying them off after 3 months.

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120k here and we have 3

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Captain Kawaii

What you said plus also nice to know that children are not being chained inside factories or the paints are not radioactive...

The Walton heirs have a much wealth as 40% of the US population. 40%. That number may be low now.

There is an all out war against the middle and working classes and said classes are expected to pay for it.

sperbonzo

No one ever has examples of it..... because when if it was to happen, then another competitor would come along and undercut THEIR prices. People always seem to forget that if one can do it, so can another.

...but hey, it SOUNDS like a good "evil corporation" scenario, so people love to run with it.




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nico-t

I don't think anyone has more annoying comments on gfy than you. Congrats

_Richard_

walmart closes places like 'that sandwich shop down the street', and does so while posting huge profits and impoverishing everyone

the examples you are using are.. not accurate

sperbonzo

Walmart doesn't close down anyone.


Customer's choose to shop at Walmart over the other local businesses. If the customers did not get a greater benefit from shopping there, then they would just keep on shopping at the other stores.


Blame the customers if you wish.

If you offer a better value to your customers than the next guy, and more people come to you, does that mean that you are putting those other people out of business? Should your customers be forced to do business with your competitors, and not with you, because it's unfair that you offer better value?

How about we just force people to pay higher prices for the goods that they want and need, so that we can be "fair" to businesses that charge more?



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_Richard_

big box stores doesn't close down anyone? i just want to clarify this point

Rochard

The example I am using from is from my hometown here.

Our downtown area is really small, and was already dead before WalMart moved in. When the Rainbow Market closed, it took out the other three businesses in the small shopping center it anchored including a Taco Bell and a pizza place. The sandwich shops are still in place, as are the few smaller stores.

We were all pissed when we found out that Wal Mart was coming to our town. (It's a Wal Mart "Neighborhood Grocery" store really.) We thought Wal Mart would kill our downtown area, when it's done the direct opposite - it's given people a reason to shop downtown, because no one visited the old Rainbow Market.

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_Richard_

all the best to you guys. it will be that much harder for your kids to develop their own business and style.

you now have walmart.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz2brbm0TOS

KillerK

You argument is like which comes first the chicken or the egg.

Walmart affects the closure of stores nearby period. The # of business closures near a walmart is much higher then areas miles from one. (You can google this shit and find supporting facts)

Here's a link or 2 for Baddog

http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/03/25/...nt-compete-wi/

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/job...sinesses/3272/

_Richard_

http://www.nber.org/papers/w11782

"The employment results indicate that a Wal-Mart store opening reduces county-level retail employment by about 150 workers, implying that each Wal-Mart worker replaces approximately 1.4 retail workers. This represents a 2.7 percent reduction in average retail employment.""

TheSquealer

I like you, and please dont take this as an attack on you or your ideas. But the flaw in your arguments and has already been mentioned is that people are voting with $. If enough people felt that way, they would stop shopping there and stores would close.

Here is what i recall from my personal experience... when i was a child, i grew up in a tiny town in Alaska. Buying clothes or anything really meant mail order or driving 4hrs to Anchorage. Ones whole life revolved around wanting things that just weren't available. Music. Clothes. A fuse, a valve. A guage. Almost anything.

For much of my childhood, i remember endless discussion about fast food and big stores and why there were not more of them. For example, Anchorage at about 250,000 people had a few McDonalds at the time (3 i believe). No wallmart.

The position of Wallmart then was that it took a population of 500,000 to support one store (their belief/growth strategy at the time).

McDonalds, i remember from those who i knew owned some of the first fast food franchises in the state, wanted certain amount of car/foot traffic in front of the door and a population of at least 50,000 people.

Anyway, as you can guess, eventually Wallmart opened a store in Anchorage. Of course, there are tons of fast food places. They learned how profitable they could be in small markets and all that early thinking would seem draconian and absurd today.

I grew up outside of a town of less than 5,000 people. That town of 5,000 people now has a Wallmart, Home Depot, Costco etc. This seemed like an insane futuristic fantasy when i was little. I grew up with all the small stores, all the mom and pop stores. We always knew the families, everyone's kids always went to school together and grew up together and so on. The idea that somehow mom and pop stores are better is bullshit. They employ a handful of poorly paid people, customer service was almost always nonexistent and selection of course, was obviously next to nothing. Either you bought the spoiled fruit they had.. or you had no fruit.

In fact, with respect to customer service - people keep forgetting this is a relatively new thing. The small stores failed miserably at customer service. Yonger people have absolutely no clue how things were. There was the romanatic idea of a small town store that knew all the customers... but there was the reality that was that service sucked. Seriously... you are old enough to remember this....

Remember when every store or cafe or small business had this next the cash register?



Remember when every store or cafe or small business had something like this on the wall behind the counter?



Here is the part that no one seems to get. A town of 5,000 people now has a wallmart. This brings in 1000s of people from outside that town to spend money there. I could go on and on and on about the obvious benefits to all the truck drivers, freight managers, logistics teams, forklift drivers, shipping companies, printing companies, local banks, merchant banks, local business - restaurants, gas stations, tourist traps etc etc etc all obviously benefiting from the presence of these huge stores, but its going to fall on deaf ears.

What a Wallmart pays an employee is not directly tied to the full benefits of a small town seeing a massive rise in the number of visitors and turn over of goods - and that it means to the town.

And if no one liked Wallmart, they would stop shopping at Wallmart. There is ALWAYS a demand for alternatives. The simple truth is that the vast majority of people want the low prices of Wallmart, Target etc. If they didn't, they wouldn't be there. Wallmart is a fucking nightmare anywhere. Go to the one in Tampa on Dale Mabry (close to Kennedy) and you'll find yourself wishing you had a gun on you for protection. In fact, its scary just walking up to the front doors because of the crowd thats there. But even then, they thrive. The lowest common denominator of society is the market. The people that ONLY care about price. That is the business model. Tell a bunch of food stamp using, welfare mothers they now have to go to a little mom and pop store and pay more for a small selection and see how that goes, Obviously its not going to work.

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TheSquealer

This to me is actually an interesting point that no one really under 35/40 understands.

Customer service is new relatively idea.

Treating the customer right is a relatively new idea.

The understanding that its cheaper to keep customers than find new customers is a relatively new idea.

A whole revolution took place in retail to start putting the customer first. It WASN'T the mom and pop stores leading this charge. It was all the large companies you hate so much.

3 decades ago, a customer in almost any small business was looked at and treated as a nuisance.

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OldJeff

Looks like the spread of the zombie apocolypse

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sarettah

I am not under 35/40 and I completely disagree with you on this.

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TheSquealer

To be fair, you might be too old.

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sarettah

Was that a burn? I think that was a burn.



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tony286

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...two-years.html

and these guys are cheaper than walmart and pay their employees better. OMG it must be impossible
http://business.time.com/2013/08/07/...rst-nightmare/

tony286

Maybe where you come from. I was a service advisor over 20 yrs ago. And we were taught without the customer we are nothing. When I was a little boy there was a mom/pop grocer on the corner, Tom the owner knew all his customers by name and always had a big smile on his face.
Actually now they talk about it more and its just words but they treat people like shit.

_Richard_

back then it wasn't 'customer service'

it was doing your job.

qwe

right, and mom and pops stores had such a huge variety right?

qwe

you telling me mom and pops stores have super high quality products?

L-Pink

Some dedicated walmart customers here ………… wow ………. Favorite restaurant in the walmart lobby also?

qwe

more like smart people who don't like to bend over and overpay for stuff... there's one mom and pops store around my area selling anything from kitchen appliances to shavers, trimmers, blenders, etc... I can literally open up amazon and get it 20-30% cheaper with free shipping, boggles my mind who the fuck buys shit there, that's what mom and pops store is all about, over charging for shit

Phoenix

i choose where to buy products that matter

i dont know why you are stuck on the phrase mom and pop shops

how about shopping somewhere canadian?

products made in canada..or from reputable companies overseas?
German...swiss..italian...quality products

not some shit that has bad paint that poisons kids

it is 100% up to you...i have told my wife not to shop there....she doesn't for the most part...i try never to support them

it is not like the same products are in other stores..you know walmart dictates the price to the manufacturers because they buy in such volume. This forces them to go outside their normal chain and get it done cheaper.

enjoy your cheap products, i am not mad...i dont get why you are.

shop at walmart....do what you want
i care not about the minds of others anymore

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