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150 Voter Suppression Laws


Robbie, I do know that to my satisfaction. Regardless, I think we're actually discussing 2 different things.

1) Requiring an ID - i don't necessarily agree or disagree on this point.
2) Intent - This is the key thing. The intent of these laws is blatantly, painfully obvious: nullify the votes of those who would vote against the party spearheading these laws.

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trevesty

Correct. Democrats practice gerrymandering, but the Republicans have it mastered. It's pretty common knowledge among every political scientist ever that this is true.

ThunderBalls

It is the height of stupidity to think someone that is another country illegally is going to risk exposing themselves by attempting to vote in an election that they could care less about, doesnt effect them and have nothing to gain by doing it. And yes they do mark your name off the list when a registered voter votes otherwise this whole voter ID debate would not be the issue.

adendreams

WOW - you have really drank the coolaid - ITS A FICTIONAL NON-PROBLEM CREATED BY GUYS LIKE YOU WHO DONT WANT MINORITIES, STUDENTS, AND SENIORS TO VOTE.

One question though - do you really believe the Fox News garbage your brain is filled with or do you knowingly support these immoral and illegal (in most cases) voter suppression tactics so that "White and Right" people like you can continue to rule the world?

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TheSquealer

So what if everyone agreed on the intent. That's understood. However, there is zero argument for not requiring a valid id to vote, establishing identity, residence and ones qualification to vote in the first place.

Seems like that would be an obviously important thing to do in a place that prides itself on being the worlds example of democracy.

It's the arguments that are retarded. There are none. Why should someone not be allowed to drink, drive, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, buy a gun etc etc etc etc etc without a valid government id... but anyone should be able to vote without one.

Furthermore, why is it so OK to Democrats to stick to an argument that black people just can't be expected to get any form of real ID? Thats the most insanely racist thing i've heard in a while.

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Vendzilla

The Modern definition of "Racist" is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal

Remember Acorn?
Or do you have the memory the size of a peanut?

Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html

People thinking that there is not any voter fraud out there are really not remembering the history of the past decade

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think about that

_Richard_

Acorn.. isn't that the situation that ended up getting an Attorney General fired, because he wouldn't fabricate evidence?

or are you referring to the 'real' scandal of Acorn.. that video tape the pimp and ho, who were actually reporters for breitbart?

Rochard

Once again, leave it to Vendzilla to cute and paste some stupid nonsense.

This means that people die and are not taken off the voter rolls, nothing else.

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Vendzilla

I don't remember everything about acorn, but that they lost in court and went bankrupt over the fraud

I personally don't think there is a lot of voter fraud, but I also don't think Eric Holder gives a rats ass about it by the way he handled the new Black Panthers.

I'm still waiting to hear a list of people that can't vote because they can't get one of the ID's listed.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

I posted something I found, come back with proof that it's wrong!

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

You really don't much do you, what about sanctuary cities where they won't prosecute illegal aliens, in Los Angeles , if they are pulled over without a license and they are illegal aliens, they won't even tow their car!

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

kane

Acorn's main problem was voter registration fraud. They hired people to go out and register new voters. The problem is that they paid per new voter registered. So, some of these people just went home and started filling out voter registration cards with fake names and addresses so they could get paid for them.

As those fake cards made their way through the system they were found to be fake and eventually it bit Acorn in the ass.

So there were never fraudulent votes cast, they just tried to submit fake registrations.

Vendzilla

Yeah, registration fraud, not voter fraud.

Just something to throw in the conversation. But again, I see no problem with asking for an ID. Even the supreme court said Illegal aliens can vote.
I want to know why the democrats are so passionate about this.

Ok, to put it another way, what countries don't require you to carry an ID?

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think about that

kane

The democrats are passionate about it for two main reason.

The are passionate about the ID law because there was a story a while back about how roughly 10% of those people who are likely to vote democrat (this was from the proposed law in Pennsylvania in 2012) lacked the proper ID that would allow them to vote. Yes, they could get those ID, but many likely wouldn't for numerous reasons which means it would be lost votes for them.

The second thing they are passionate about is the reduction in early voting days. The numbers show that in all but a few states democrats take advantage of early voting days more than republicans. In many states it was a 10% or greater edge for democrats. They feel less early voting days will cause them to potentially lose votes and I think they are correct.

adendreams

ACORN??? A total non-story trumped up by Fox News - damn you really have got your brain washed sparkling clean Vendzilla

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ilnjscb

Not condescending, you don't speak for the south. Do you honestly believe those people went their whole lives not being counted in any way? Sorry, all that shit is tracked, just like school children are tracked. People in the south are no more likely to be born "off grid" than any other part of the USA - you are the one condescending to the place you supposedly call home.

TheSquealer

Obviously...


"New election-fraud charges against employees of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in Wisconsin are a helpful reminder that the scandal-prone, far-left liberal group remains as determined as ever to cause trouble come election time.

In Milwaukee, Maria L. Miles and Kevin L. Clancy stand accused of felony election fraud for reportedly repeatedly registering the same individuals on voter-registration forms. Both face up to three years? imprisonment and a $10,000 fine. Milwaukee ACORN canvasser Latoya Lewis already was convicted of election fraud in October. All three cases arise out of the 2008 presidential election cycle.

But ACORN isn?t worried. To the nationwide network of hundreds of tax-dollar-devouring nonprofit affiliates, it?s business as usual: another day, another vote-fraud scheme. Doing voter registration right is unimportant to ACORN because accuracy takes a back seat to volume.

ACORN routinely tempts fate by recruiting the dregs of humanity for its voter drives, often placing felons - including identity thieves - in positions of authority. It views the inevitable attacks from Republicans that follow its voter-drive free-for-alls as positive events to be used in direct-mail solicitations. ACORN views such attacks, in the vocabulary of social science, as encouraging cohesion within the group. In other words, volleys from rancorous Republicans boost morale within the group and help it get leftist charities such as
Baltimore?s Annie E. Casey Foundation to keep writing big, fat checks.

And ACORN doesn?t mind offering up the poor, ignorant and gullible as cannon fodder in the class struggle. To ACORN, there are always more would-be voter-registration canvassers where they came from.

The new charges in Wisconsin are merely the tip of the iceberg for ACORN and its voter-registration arm, Project Vote, which used to employ President Obama.

In Miami, 11 ACORN workers are charged with falsifying voter registrations, and in

Pittsburgh, five ACORN workers are charged with the same.

In Nevada, former Las Vegas field director Christopher Edwards pleaded guilty to conspiracy to provide unlawful financial bonuses to ACORN canvassers who gave incentives to ACORN workers to provide false registrations. Mr. Edwards has turned state?s evidence and will testify against his superior, Amy Busefink, who was Project Vote?s national voter registration director. Ms. Busefink and ACORN itself are also charged in the conspiracy. Jury selection begins in July.

Investigations into ACORN?s voter-drive shenanigans are also pending in Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina and Orlando and Brevard County, Fla., according to an internal ACORN legal memo I obtained last year.

Meanwhile, ACORN is hoping its latest public-relations ruse may give it an opportunity to take in untold millions of taxpayer dollars under cover of darkness just in time to influence upcoming elections.

The ruse consists of ACORN?s effort to pass off various state chapters as supposedly new groups independent of ACORN. In this rebranding charade, state chapters are pretending to break away from the national ACORN group and reincorporate themselves as independent organizations.

At least four dummy nonprofit corporations have emerged from the rebranding process in recent months.

They are the Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment, New York Communities for Change, New England United for Justice (Massachusetts) and Arkansas Community Organizations. All four groups operate out of ACORN offices and are run by ACORN staffers. The president of New England United for Justice, Maude Hurd, just happens to be the 20-year national president of ACORN.

A senior ACORN staffer acknowledged the scam in an e-mail leaked to me:
?The truth is that it is hard for us to forsee [sic] any scenario where ACORN continues beyond the end of 2010 and some of us think it might not last that long,? writes Nathan Henderson-James, director of ACORN?s online campaigns, in an apparently authentic Feb. 22 e-mail.

?Last one to leave turn out the lights and wipe the server,? he writes at the end of the message.

The message from Mr. Henderson-James was forwarded to me by various sources who obtained it from the Google listserv Townhouse, an invitation-only discussion forum run by Matt Stoller, senior policy adviser to progressive hero Rep. Alan Grayson, Florida Democrat.
My sources advise me that the hundreds of high-level Democratic operatives, liberal activists and journalists who subscribe to the listserv are furious that Mr. Henderson-James? e-mail was leaked. Listserv members are said to be angrily accusing each other of being the leakers. This breach of security could be the end for Townhouse, one of the members reportedly said.

ACORN Housing Corp., the best-funded of ACORN?s affiliates, is also participating in the rebranding effort aimed at duping high-dollar charities and the public and allowing ACORN to continue eating your tax money. ACORN Housing has opted simply to change its name to Affordable Housing Centers of America Inc."

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2ckLlxnEs

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Democrats are split on how to deal with Acorn, the liberal "community organizing" group that deployed thousands of get-out-the-vote workers last election. State and city Democratic officials -- who've been contending with its many scandals -- are moving against it. Washington Democrats are still sweeping Acorn abuses under a rug.

On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

Acorn spokesman Scott Levenson calls the Nevada criminal complaint "political grandstanding" and says that any problems were the actions of an unnamed "bad employee." But Catherine Cortez Masto, Nevada's Democratic Attorney General, told the Las Vegas Sun that Acorn itself is named in the criminal complaint. She says that Acorn's training manuals "clearly detail, condone and . . . require illegal acts," such as requiring its workers to meet strict voter-registration targets to keep their jobs.

Other Democrats on the ground have complaints. Fred Voight, deputy election commissioner in Philadelphia, protested after Acorn (according to the registrar of voters and his own investigation) submitted at least 1,500 fraudulent registrations last fall. "This has been going on for a number of years," he told CNN in October. St. Louis Democrat Matthew Potter, the city's deputy elections director, had similar complaints.

Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007. The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn's practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.

The stink is bad enough that some congressional Democrats have taken notice. At a March 19 hearing on election problems, Michigan Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, pressed New York Rep. Gerald Nadler, chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, to hold a hearing on Acorn. He called the charges against it "serious." Mr. Nadler agreed to consider the request.

Mr. Nadler's office now says there will be no hearing on Acorn because Mr. Conyers has changed his mind. Mr. Conyers's office released a statement on Monday saying that after reviewing "the complaints against Acorn, I have concluded that a hearing on this matter appears unwarranted at this time." A Democratic staffer told me he believes the House leadership put pressure on Mr. Conyers to back down. Mr. Conyers's office says it is "unaware" of any contacts with House leaders.

Then there's Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. Last month, he voted for a committee amendment (to the Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act) by Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R., Minn.) to block groups indicted for voter fraud from receiving federal housing or legal assistance grants. Identical language was passed into law in the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. Mr. Frank now says he "had not read [the amendment] carefully" before backing it. He gutted the amendment on Thursday, claiming that the language Congress passed just last year is "a violation of the basic principles of due process."

A lot of money is at stake. In the stimulus bill passed by Congress, Acorn is eligible -- along with other activist groups -- to apply for $2 billion in funds to redevelop abandoned and foreclosed homes. Meanwhile, public records show that last spring the IRS filed three tax liens totaling almost $1 million against Acorn, most of which concerned employee withholding.

All of this infuriates Marcel Reid, who, along with seven other national Acorn board members, was removed last year after demanding an audit of the group's books. "Acorn has been hijacked by a power-hungry clique that has its own political and personal agendas," she told me. "We are fighting to take back the group."

Bertha Lewis, the head of Acorn, told me last year before their ouster that the "Acorn Eight" were "obsessed" and "confused." But Anita MonCrief, an Acorn whistleblower, says the problems run deep. Ms. MonCrief worked at Project Vote, an Acorn affiliate, in late 2007. She says its development director, Karen Gillette, told her she had direct contact with the Obama campaign and also told her to call Obama donors who had maxed out on donations to the candidate but who could contribute to Acorn. Project Vote calls her charges "absolutely false." (Ms. Gillette has declined comment.)

Acorn's relationship to the Obama campaign is a matter of public record. Last year, Citizens Consulting Inc., the umbrella group controlling Acorn, was paid $832,000 by the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote efforts in key primary states. In filings with the Federal Election Commission, the campaign listed the payments as "staging, sound, lighting," only correcting them after reporters from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review revealed their true nature.

Mr. Obama distanced himself from the group's scandals last year, saying "We don't need Acorn's help." Nevertheless, he got his start as a community organizer at Acorn's side. In 1992, he headed a registration effort for Project Vote, an Acorn partner at the time. In 1995, he represented Acorn in a key case upholding the new Motor Voter Act -- the very law whose mandated postcard registration system Acorn workers use to flood election offices with bogus registrations.

But Acorn's registration tricks may soon be unnecessary. Congressional Democrats are backing a bill to mandate a nationwide data base to automatically register driver's license holders or recipients of government benefits.

This "would create an engraved invitation for voter fraud," says Hans von Spakovsky, a former Federal Election Commission member, who points out that these lists are filled with felons and noncitizens who are ineligible to vote. Ironically, in light of its troubles with the law, Acorn was selected in March to assist the U.S. Census in reaching out to minority communities and recruiting census enumerators for the count next year.

As for the Nevada indictment, Acorn isn't worried. "We've had bad publicity before, and all it does is inform the community that we're here working for the community," Bonnie Greathouse, Acorn's head organizer in Nevada, assured the Las Vegas Review-Journal this week. "People always come forward to our defense. We're just community organizers, just like the president used to be."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/

SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.

"I regret it. I paid the price for it," he said.

Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.

Today, he lives with his wife and two boys, ages 3 and 1, in a small apartment in suburban Seattle, Washington. Mitchell said he scammed the system because, "I needed money; I had to support my family and I was new to the area. It was the only job I had."

Mitchell said ACORN threatened to close the office if he and his team didn't meet their quota to register 13 to 20 voters a day. So, without consulting their supervisors, he said, they came up with a plan.

"We came up with the idea: Let's make fraudulent cards. I tell my crew, 'I don't care how you get 'em, just get 'em,' " Mitchell recalled. Video Watch Mitchell explain how they created voters »

They took addresses from homeless shelters, used fake birthdays and Social Security numbers and took names from baby books to create voters out of thin air.

"Every day I'd go to the library and get a newspaper," Mitchell said. "I had one guy who'd go to the phone book. Everyone had different methods."

The secretary of state called it "the worst case of voter registration fraud in the history of the state of Washington." ACORN was fined $25,000 and ordered to improve its oversight.

The group is under investigation in 10 states for voter registration fraud, and Republican presidential candidate John McCain's campaign has accused ACORN of trying to rig the election for Democrats.

But University of Washington law professor Eric Schnapper says the idea of fake cards turning into real votes is a myth.

"There are no known instances of fictitious people actually voting," Schnapper said. "You look at some of the names: Mickey Mouse. Dr. Seuss. Mickey Mouse only votes in Disneyland. He's not going to show up at a critical precinct in West Virginia or North Carolina."

Schnapper said that if anyone should be upset, it's ACORN.

"The victims of this are the people who paid these workers $8 an hour to go out and find legitimate voters, and ... they didn't get their $8 worth; they put down phony names," Schnapper said.

Schnapper said he's worked on Republican and Democratic campaigns and has paid people to hand out leaflets or register voters. He said some of the workers do their jobs and some don't.

Threats of criminal prosecution may scare some groups into closing voter registration drives, according to Schnapper. It could scare actual voters away from the polls as well, he said, "and that really does affect the outcomes of the election."

A report from the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University Law School supports his claim. Researchers reviewed voter fraud claims across the country and found that most were caused by technical glitches, clerical errors or mistakes made by voters. One other finding: A person is more likely to be struck by lightning than to impersonate another voter at the polls.

ACORN has recently released a video on the Internet called "Fight Back: The Truth About ACORN." It uses a mix of interviews and video to fight what the group calls Republican efforts to suppress voter turnout.

CNN asked Clifton Mitchell whether he and his team, at any point, got together to try to rig the election.

"When I did it, when my team did it, it wasn't to steal any election," Mitchell said. "They're just trying to keep a job. But understand, I blame myself. I can only blame myself."

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-again/?page=1

ACORN pleaded guilty to unlawful “compensation” for registration of voters, a felony under Nevada law. The plea came after senior ACORN executives Amy Adele Busefink and Christopher Howell Edwards were convicted of providing cash bonuses to voter-registration canvassers for exceeding daily registration quotas. Campaign workers received cash if they registered 21 voters or more. Fittingly, the Las Vegas-based program was called Blackjack.

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A Nevada judge on Wednesday gave ACORN, the defunct grass-roots community organization, the maximum fine for its illegal voter-registration scheme in that state.

District Court Judge Donald Mosley was blunt and unsparing in his criticism of the discredited activist group. Citing the long history of voter registration fraud allegations that engulfed ACORN across the country, he slapped the group with a $5,000 fine for violating Nevada election law during the 2008 presidential election.

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kane

It can be done, but not easily.

A friend of mine worked at a grocery store for about 15 years. She started there in high school then worked there until she was in her early 30's before leaving and going back to school.

There was a woman that worked there that got arrested shortly before my friend quit. This woman had been working there for 20 years. She got arrested for getting into a fight with another woman. As it turns out this lady who was arrested was from Mexico and was living in the US illegally. She was using a made up SSN and for 20 years she held a job, rented places to live, was a member of the union the store was a part of, raised two kids and was well known and liked in the community. Nobody had any idea she was illegal.

When she was arrested her story about who she was started to come apart. They looked into her and she finally got caught.

The funny thing was, had she not gotten drunk and gotten into a fight with this other woman she likely would have gone on living under the radar. The IRS hadn't caught her, nobody was any the wiser.

TheSquealer

It's important to draw a distinction here. She was working illegally because the employer allowed it. Not because any person can just be hired and give a fake SS#. Employers are required to have valid forms of ID on file of the employee to establish identity, eligibility and legal status and there are substantial penalties for failing to do so.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf (example of what is required today.... but these / similar requirements have existed for as long as I can remember)

The employer was breaking the law as well as the employee.

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kane

She gave a fake SSN and had a state ID card that she got using the the fake SSN. The company filed the tax forms on her every year, withheld taxes from her check and treated her just like any other employee. They had no knowledge that she was illegal.

As I said, she was a member of a union, she rented houses, bought cars etc. You would think the IRS would catch that when they got the company files and her SSN didn't match up to things they had on file, but it never happened.

So in this case the company had no idea she was illegal.

bronco67

No one is saying both parties aren't capable of bad stuff, but for every one democratic shenanigan you can find many more on the Republican side.

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TheSquealer

To be fair, i suppose 20-30 years ago, it was easy to acquire a whole new identity. Basically, you could use simple things like a utility bill and lease or something to get a state id card, then a state id card and utility bill to get a drivers license.. then id card/drivers license to apply for a ssn etc etc etc. I can't remember how it used to work, but I know growing up it was only a few steps to create a whole new identity with birth certificate/passport/ssn.

I met a sportscaster for espn in 1989 that was covering a world cup ski race and staying at my friends house and we were complaining about our speeding tickets and insurance rates (we were 18) and he laughed and said "just do this" and pulled out his wallet and he had at least 20 drivers licenses from different states - he did it because he was traveling non stop and basically could give a random license and get out of any ticket. Of course, laws were passed against that a couple years later and now all states databases are tied together.

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Vendzilla

Yeah I read about that, it was in an article that also touched on the lack of rules for mail in votes and how they have increased by large numbers recently

Crawl back under your rock troll, you offer nothing to the conversation as I'm sure you offer nothing to society. You are limited in your facts as you offer none, you're on my ignore list, because well, you just don't matter.... You say Acorn isn't a story, yet there has been convictions of voter registration fraud. Go post somewhere else where you might actually matter, because you don't here.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

They both do the same things, the democrats just whine more.
Neither side cares about the public, just getting all they can get and keep getting re-elected by the fools that believe them.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

kane

To be fair this was in the 80's and into the 90's so computer systems and tracking weren't nearly as sophisticated as they are today.

adendreams

I shoot a lot of content for some quality companies (18 plus years experience) so I do matter to them, not sure what your role, if any, you play in this biz. But one thing is certain: If you think that a few instances of voter fraud per year (something like 0.0001 percent of votes cast) is just cause for enacting MASSIVE VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT to the point where literally MILLIONS of FULLY ELIGIBLE VOTERS (Mostly Democrats) are suddenly UNABLE TO VOTE then you have taken the Fox News bait hook line and sinker. Your brain is fully programmed by the right hate machine and you really need to go and sit under a peaceful tree somewhere and think about this shit for a long...long time.

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kane

Vote by mail is the way to go. Easy for the elections board to track, easy for voters to vote, encourages turnout. I think the only reason most states don't go to it is for political reasons.

zuffa

And your's is equally brainwashed by the left. I spend a substantial amount of time at my NC residence. This is LONG overdue.

All we have here is a concerted effort on behalf of the left to divide the country along racial lines.

Rochard

But that's all you do... Is you quote the same sites.

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Rochard

What makes it "massive voter disenfranchisement"?

Is having a government issued ID too much?

EVERYONE in the US has to have one....

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baddog

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Like I said before, he isn't the shiniest tool in the shed.


At least reported on GFY

Vendzilla

I quote a very wide array of sites, sites that bring up facts, you just give your opinion that they are wrong. I haven't given too much opinion lately. So having people attack my point of view is rather funny.

So go ahead, post proof!

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

I agree voting by mail is a good thing, I would just want to see a voter database that used updated voters by state and SSN so that when they moved and when they died, that was tracked. It's something that could be done very easily.

If that was done, using a secure connection, voting could be done online. For the poor, it could be done at a voting station with a few laptops. Everyone could have an account and could check on what they voted on.

We bank online, so I see no reason for not voting online

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Vendzilla

Richard, here's something good to read to show why I have so much against the Barry Administration

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...heat%2 0Sheet

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think about that

Phoenix

I don't understand how you could have been allowed to vote without proper Id before.
For the Canadians here, We have to have id. In fact I'm pretty sure you are legally bound to carry proper id at all times once you are an adult.

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kane

I would imagine fairly soon there will be some kind of database that allows them to easily keep voter records updated. One of the problems is that right now we have different states handling things in different ways. It wouldn't be hard to believe if I moved to a different state or even county within my state I would end up being on both voter rolls for a little while.

A nationwide database could easily solve that issue and could make things run smoothly and allow for online voting or vote by mail that was easy to process/count.

Nikki_Licks

I doubt they even know how many there have been, I would go as far as to say there are a 1000's.

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Robbie

So basically...what Democrat politicians are saying is that black people are too dumb and lazy to get an ID?

And they also seem to be saying that they have a large contingent of their voters who are illegally in the U.S.?

And also that a big percentage of Democrat voters are very, very old and live in the mountains and "ain't never been to the big fancy town"

How insulting...

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kane

In a nutshell yes. There are always people who are outside the stereotype. For example, my mom no longer has a picture ID, but she could get one, it would just take some work to figure out how and where to get her birth certificate from so she could get it. That said, many of these people are either too lazy or just unwilling to get an ID.

The democrats love the nanny state so they need to appeal to those who are either on/in the system or to those who want the government to take care of them in some way.

A lot of these people are also just young people that have no ambition and desire. My nephew will be turning 20 next month. He doesn't have a drivers license or an ID card of any type. He also doesn't have a job. He just hangs out living off his parents and his friends. He doesn't have these ID's because he has never needed them. If he ever gets a job he will, but that doesn't seem to be about to happen anytime soon.

Robbie

Not to be insulting...but it's best your nephew (and people like him) do NOT vote.

Once he grows up a bit then he will get an ID, etc. and MAYBE vote. But at least then he will be a bit more qualified to vote.

Last thing this country needs are people who are so dependent on others going in to vote for a party (Democrat) whose only objective these days seems to be making people rely on the govt. (which makes the govt. more and more powerful).

I just don't think it's setting the bar too high to require people to have a govt. issued picture ID to vote.

We SHOULD be giving them a freakin' test at the polling center to determine if they are knowledgeable about the issues before voting. But then there would be all hell raised because apparently Democrats are all on the govt. dole and have no ID (that's what the Democrats themselves are saying when they claim that requiring ID will "help" the Republican party beat them).

EDIT: The irony of this all is that there are tens of millions of ELIGIBLE voters who DO have ID's and can go to the polls on the actual election day...but choose not to vote at all.

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ThunderBalls

Its called a poll tax and it violates the 24th Amendment of the Constitution.

And you're telling others they shouldn't be voting? Fucking classic.

kane

In the last election my state had a 63% voter turnout and that was about 8 points higher than the national average.

It amazes me that 45% of the population is able to vote, has everything they need to vote, in my state they even have the ballot mailed to them, and they still can't be bothered to vote. It takes a few hours of your life every few years it isn't like it is a major commitment.

Robbie

How is having an ID a "poll tax"? Because it costs money to get one?

Okay, I'll play...it also costs money to get to a polling station. Is that a "poll tax"?
It also costs money to have clothes to wear to the polling station.
Etc., etc.

As for "fucking classic"...my point was that if a person is uninformed and lazy as kane's nephew is (at this point in his life)...then all he will do is vote Democrat to get as much big govt. as he can.

I didn't "tell others they shouldn't be voting". I'm saying that being able to vote is a pretty big deal. But YOU and others like you apparently don't take it very seriously.

Of course he CAN vote even though he is a person with literally no knowledge of WHAT he is voting for.
I simply said, he probably won't vote and it's a good thing for what's left of the country.

I'm trying to contribute an honest opinion in this conversation. If you don't agree with what I'm saying then give yours instead of your drive by acerbic comments on what I said. You are contributing nothing intellectual to this.

Does having a picture ID = a polling tax? I guess you could extrapolate to that. But it's really, really grasping at straws. Especially since (as you know) EVERYBODY has to have an ID to do just about anything in life. (unless they are a homeless bum living on the streets).
Just getting your electricity turned on, for instance, requires an ID and a credit check for God's sake.

Getting an ID is essential to be a functioning citizen in 2013. And has been for decades.

BUT...let's use your extrapolation and pretend that all Democrats are too stupid, lazy, poor, and/or illegal aliens and just can't get themselves an ID.

Alrighty then!
Seems to me that if the Democrat party is so worried about it, then let's pass a law making a govt. issued picture ID...FREE.
No, not your drivers license, but a picture ID.

Now there would be no excuse.

But guess what? I'll bet that the Democrat Party would STILL be whining. Because it would disrupt their "ground game" where their local chapters ARE committing voting fraud and getting away with it undetected.

And by the way...Dems aren't the only ones.

For all you Democrats whining and saying that Voter Fraud doesn't exist: Just ask Al Gore what happened in 2000.
There's more than one way to fix an election. And both parties are experts.

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kane

My nephew currently cares about three things: hanging out with his friends, smoking weed and getting laid.

If he were to support a political candidate he would likely either vote for whoever a friend or someone he liked told him to vote for or he would vote for anyone that supported legalizing pot.

So likely democrat.

Which is why you can see why the democrats don't like these vote ID bills. They want as many people as they possibly can get to the polls out and voting. The more votes that are cast the better chance they have of winning even if a decent chunk (maybe as much as 10% are from people who don't contribute anything worthwhile to society.

adendreams

Voter ID is just one of the torpedos the Republicans are using to stop literally millions of US Citizens from voting in the coming election cycles. Dig a little deeper into this topic and you will find that its an all out voter suppression assault from the right. Some of the other despicable tactics:

Ending same day voter registration.
Shortening and in many cases ending early voting.
Disallowing students from voting where they live for school.
Challenging millions of votes and invalidating for bogus technicalities.
Mass closures of polling places with redistricting.
Passing state legislation to unduly purge voter roles.
New limitations on absentee ballots.

Placing severely expensive burdens on millions of seniors by making it much more expensive to vote (New ID, Travel to get that ID, longer travel to polling stations)

I could go on and on.

This voter suppression shit is the most disgusting thing I have witnessed in a long line atrocious behavior from the right.

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directfiesta

Those " recruiters - salespersons" of Acoirn are paid by form submitted and they obviously do submit forms tha are fraud to be paid .

But do you think these dead, non-existent people actually vote ????

I dont think so ...

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