North Carolina : Say goodbye to voting rights, thank republicans - GoFuckYourself.com

2MuchMark · 08-21-2013, 09:53 AM

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A new law rushed through by North Carolina Republicans contains a laundry list of measures brazenly designed to target Democratic voters. Jamelle Bouie on the bill so extreme Hillary Clinton is getting involved.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ng-rights.html

Sorry, black people and students.

ilnjscb · 08-21-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ng-rights.html

Sorry, black people and students.

Did you hear - Hillary Clinton is getting involved! I hope she's over the whole "Bros Befo HOs" thing and that rapper calling her a bitch.

TheSquealer · 08-21-2013, 09:58 AM

Crazy that people that are supposed to follow an extensive list of rules to qualify them as a voter has to actually verify citizenship/state of residence etc to vote.

Fucking moron.

You have to have ID to do anything else but vote. Makes total sense if you are a complete fucking idiot.

Oh... i keep forgetting by your non stop bullshit here that you're not even American.

Vendzilla · 08-21-2013, 10:02 AM

Of the four ID's they are asking for, I have 3, I don't see a problem here.
My daughter is a student in another state, she has 3 of those ID's they are asking for.

The democrats are all against this, but will ask for ID when Obamacare goes into effect.

They just want to make sure that people only vote once is what it looks like, I read some of the numbers from the last election, this is common sense.

Tom_PM · 08-21-2013, 10:04 AM

Thing is, there's a bunch of morons who will chime in agreeing that it's just common sense.

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The centerpiece of the law is a strict new mandate for voter identification, that?s more notable for what it bans than what it permits. Of the various forms of state-issued ID, only four are valid for voting: driver?s licenses, passports, veteran?s IDs, and tribal cards. Everything else is unacceptable. This includes college IDs, public or municipal employee IDs, ID from public-assistance agencies, and out-of-state driver?s licenses.

It?s no accident that those are the excluded categories. As with similar laws in other states, the restrictions target Democratic voters, from students and young people?who are more likely to rely on university-issued identification?to public employees and the poor. And of course, a large share of these voters are black and Latino. Overall, the state estimates that as many as 318,000 voters could lack (PDF) appropriate identification.

In NC you can be on public assistance from the state but can't use that card as identification. Common sense. For idiots.

woj · 08-21-2013, 10:05 AM

where exactly is the problem? or do you guys just see the keyword "Republican" or "Democrat" and jump to conclusions without even reading the article?

TheSquealer · 08-21-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Thing is, there's a bunch of morons who will chime in agreeing that it's just common sense.

In NC you can be on public assistance from the state but can't use that card as identification. Common sense. For idiots.

Right... same requirements for almost anything else. Try walking into a bar and proving you are 21 because you have a college id.

How fucking racist is it to suggest a black person can't get a state id card or that a black person won't have a drivers license and can't get one?

Tom_PM · 08-21-2013, 10:07 AM

We're not talking about going to a bar or driving. Try to pay attention, or like me, get back to work.

bronco67 · 08-21-2013, 10:15 AM

They're looking for a solution without a problem. There was no voter fraud in the last election.

High voter turnout usually favors Democratic candidates, so trying to knock minorities out of the process will ensure more Republican victories. Why is it that only Republican state governments are doing these kinds of things? They're afraid of black and young voters. They need old white people to get elected.

_Richard_ · 08-21-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Of the four ID's they are asking for, I have 3, I don't see a problem here.
My daughter is a student in another state, she has 3 of those ID's they are asking for.

The democrats are all against this, but will ask for ID when Obamacare goes into effect.

They just want to make sure that people only vote once is what it looks like, I read some of the numbers from the last election, this is common sense.

ok, lets talk about how many cases of voter fraud there has been

helps put all this into light.

woj · 08-21-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

We're not talking about going to a bar or driving. Try to pay attention, or like me, get back to work.

so wait a min, you are saying we need a driver's license to buy a pack of smokes.... but to vote something like a library card should be sufficient?

TheSquealer · 08-21-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

We're not talking about going to a bar or driving. Try to pay attention, or like me, get back to work.

Right.. just talking about who will run economies, push laws, agendas, programs and so on.

We are talking about a fucking democratic election in what is supposed to be the worlds shining example of democracy (you know, the one we keep trying to force on those who don't want it?)... the very fucking idea that somehow there is a problem with someone verifying their identity and that they are eligible to vote is totally insane.

How fucking idiotic are you people that you actually think an illegal Mexican drug cartel member and hitman with 50 murders under his belt should be able to walk into a San Diego voting booth and vote for the next governor of California?

How fucking racist are you that a black man getting a drivers license is an impossibility in your eyes?

Vendzilla · 08-21-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Thing is, there's a bunch of morons who will chime in agreeing that it's just common sense.

In NC you can be on public assistance from the state but can't use that card as identification. Common sense. For idiots.

And just how do they get public assistance without one of those ID's.

Please show me a list of adults that don't drive or drink in NC. Remember this is a NASCAR state. I'm sure a state ID card works as well.

TheSquealer · 08-21-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

so wait a min, you are saying we need a driver's license to buy a pack of smokes.... but to vote something like a library card should be sufficient?

He is saying that a 16 yr old runaway junkie and drug mule from Nicaragua should be able to vote for the governor of a state as they can now. And suggesting otherwise is just racist and undemocratic.

DWB · 08-21-2013, 10:32 AM

You should have to show a state or federal issued ID. That simple. No exceptions. Don't care what color you are.

If you need to show a valid ID to drive, buy booze, or buy a firearm, you should need to show one to vote. If voting means that much to you, get an ID so you can prove you who are.

signupdamnit · 08-21-2013, 10:45 AM

There is nothing wrong with requiring a high security ID to vote in itself. The problem is that the voting fraud it's trying to stop is extremely rare and in practice it will probably prevent 100 or 1000 people from voting for every 1 fraudulent vote it actually stops. Most people won't be stopped from voting due to it being impossible for them under the new requirements but rather because it increases the hurdles they have to face in order to vote.

It could backfire on the people who think it will mainly hurt the Democrats. Sometimes if certain groups perceive that you are trying to persecute them or prevent them from voting they end up turning up in record numbers. It's said this happened a bit last November. People waited up to 8 hours to vote in southern Florida last year when early voting was curtailed a bit and many polling places were closed. It only hardened their determination to vote.

FreeHugeMovies · 08-21-2013, 10:47 AM

BLK people and students can't get drivers license or valid ID? LOL

Grapesoda · 08-21-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ng-rights.html

Sorry, black people and students.

FYI: you have no voting rights in SC... you are NOT an America citizen... remember?

SuckOnThis · 08-21-2013, 10:48 AM

Apparently Republicans are the ones doing all the voter fraud....

Roxanne Rubin, Nevada Republican, Accepts Plea Deal After Committing Voter Fraud
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2566297.html

Florida finds evidence of voter fraud by GOP-tied firm
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/flor...p_tied_ firm/

Another Republican convicted of felony voter fraud
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...ny-voter-fraud

Virginia Republican pleads guilty to dozens of counts of voter fraud
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/1...f-voter-fraud/

Shocker: Republicans Account For Most Cases Of U.S. Voter Fraud
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06...-s-voter-fraud

TheSquealer · 08-21-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

BLK people and students can't get drivers license or valid ID? LOL

The party that brought you the the civil war, the KKK and racial segregation want you to know that its unfair to ask a black person to get a drivers license or state id card with the logic and reasoning that its just too difficult for him/her. Apparently, they want you to lower your expectations for black people to zero.

PR_Glen · 08-21-2013, 10:49 AM

i'm pretty sure you need photo id to vote in canada as well.

are we racist too?

purecane · 08-21-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

They're looking for a solution without a problem. There was no voter fraud in the last election..... They need old white people to get elected.

yep, judging by the outcome of the last two elections, there was no voter fraud,,,,because Obama is both young and white.

_Richard_ · 08-21-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Apparently Republicans are the ones doing all the voter fraud....

Roxanne Rubin, Nevada Republican, Accepts Plea Deal After Committing Voter Fraud
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2566297.html

Florida finds evidence of voter fraud by GOP-tied firm
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/flor...p_tied_ firm/

Another Republican convicted of felony voter fraud
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...ny-voter-fraud

Virginia Republican pleads guilty to dozens of counts of voter fraud
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/1...f-voter-fraud/

Shocker: Republicans Account For Most Cases Of U.S. Voter Fraud
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06...-s-voter-fraud

that's another funny thing

then there is gerrymandering

Sly · 08-21-2013, 10:59 AM

I have two photo IDs. I can't even drive!

Aim high. Aim high.

SuckOnThis · 08-21-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The party that brought you the the civil war, the KKK and racial segregation want you to know that its unfair to ask a black person to get a drivers license or state id card with the logic and reasoning that its just too difficult for him/her. Apparently, they want you to lower your expectations for black people to zero.

Just when I thought you couldnt say anything any more retarded you come up with this gem.

TheSquealer · 08-21-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Just when I thought you couldnt say anything any more retarded you come up with this gem.

I can't do anything about the public school system failing you. Take that up with them.

Otherwise, I get it, you are democrat. You are liberal. You're poor, you don't produce and you''ve convinced yourself the world owes you something and that nothing is your fault because that's how you learned to live with yourself... now your big concern is that a black guy is asked to get a valid id because that is just setting the bar too high... and you want everyone have appropriate and realistic expectations for what is being asked.

Grapesoda · 08-21-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You should have to show a state or federal issued ID. That simple. No exceptions. Don't care what color you are.

If you need to show a valid ID to drive, buy booze, or buy a firearm, you should need to show one to vote. If voting means that much to you, get an ID so you can prove you who are.

OR open a bank account...

Grapesoda · 08-21-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The party that brought you the the civil war, the KKK and racial segregation want you to know that its unfair to ask a black person to get a drivers license or state id card with the logic and reasoning that its just too difficult for him/her. Apparently, they want you to lower your expectations for black people to zero.

the democrats? Lincoln was the very first republican president

TheSquealer · 08-21-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the democrats? Lincoln was the very first republican president

Lincoln didn't make the decision to separate from the Union to preserve slavery.

purecane · 08-21-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

OR open a bank account...

you can open a bank account online with not one single document....i've done it before....ally bank.

RyuLion · 08-21-2013, 11:15 AM

Its only gonna get worst / strict..

Wizzo · 08-21-2013, 11:16 AM

Just a thought, maybe we shouldn't allow people to stupid to drive to pick our leaders...

Vendzilla · 08-21-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

ok, lets talk about how many cases of voter fraud there has been

helps put all this into light.

ok, according to true the vote

Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.

True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.

This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000

12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.

The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.

Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.

The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

True The Vote is Chuck Norris approved. I think that's funny!

Vendzilla · 08-21-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the democrats? Lincoln was the very first republican president

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Lincoln didn't make the decision to separate from the Union to preserve slavery.

With the election of Republican candidate Abraham Lincoln on November 6, 1860, South Carolina followed by six other states seceded from the Union. Even though his views about slavery were considered moderate during the nomination and election, South Carolina had warned it would secede if he won. Lincoln agreed with the majority of the Republican Party that the South was becoming too powerful and made it part of their platform that slavery would not be extended to any new territories or states added to the union.

purecane · 08-21-2013, 11:25 AM

what about Obama hiring George Soros' company to count all those fraudulent votes????? nobody wants to talk about that huh?

Captain Kawaii · 08-21-2013, 11:32 AM

Poor people in the south are often born at home and often do not get birth certificates. When they do, it is often handled by people who are barely literate themselves. Often, no one in the house is literate. This and the fact many are born with one name and go by another are pretty difficult for people with next to no education to get past and have proper ID.

When they do get education or assistance they slide because in small communities people slide as there are still "christians" with old time values who believe in helping people.

When I owned properties on the southeast coast I often had workers working for me who had only an x or a pretty unreadable signature.

Older people, those likely to vote, fall into this voting mess.

Personally I think people who have no ID and want to vote should be sorted out with the help of their churches or local councils.

I am all for keeping non citizens out of the voting process but this matter should be fixed.

US is a messed up country. This whole thing is a dog and pony show to distract people from the real problems.

L-Pink · 08-21-2013, 11:40 AM

Ahhh the simple days where you had to be a white male Protestant land owner to vote.

Actually, I think you should have to show "proper ID" as well as a copy of the previous years tax return to vote.

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ThunderBalls · 08-21-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

With the election of Republican candidate Abraham Lincoln on November 6, 1860, South Carolina followed by six other states seceded from the Union. Even though his views about slavery were considered moderate during the nomination and election, South Carolina had warned it would secede if he won. Lincoln agreed with the majority of the Republican Party that the South was becoming too powerful and made it part of their platform that slavery would not be extended to any new territories or states added to the union.

Did you vote for Lincoln or were you part of the southern state rights slavery thingy?

Trend · 08-21-2013, 11:52 AM

Mark, nice piece of trolling

kane · 08-21-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

BLK people and students can't get drivers license or valid ID? LOL

Until recently I would have agreed with you, but I have actually recently gone through this with my mom.

Here is the problem. The issue is one of photo Id and available documents and cost of getting said items.

My mom was born at home in Illinois in 1940. It wasn't intended that way, but her dad was at work, mom went into labor and by the time dad got home to take her to the hospital she was on the way so she was born in the living room. Since she was not born in a hospital there wasn't an automatic issuing of a birth certificate. When my mom was six months old her family moved to Florida and then they lived in a few different states over the next few years as her dad looked for work. Her parents finally filed to get her birth certificate, but had to do everything via mail and my mom really has no idea where they filed this. She has never had a copy of her birth certificate.

For 65 years everything was fine. She had gotten credit cards, bought houses, cars, had jobs, got a drivers license and lived a typical life with her social security card/number being enough ID. Recently her drivers license expired. A few years prior to this she had stopped driving all together so it wasn't a big deal. She is disabled and has a very difficult time getting around so the DMV sent her a form that will allow her to get a non-photo ID through the mail which she did.

Now, if this voter bill were to be passed in our state she would not be able to vote because she doesn't have the proper photo ID. She can't get a photo ID because the state will not issue one without seeing a birth certificate and she has no real idea where to go about getting that. I would imagine I could send emails and do some searching and eventually find where she could do this, but there is no guarantee. Even if I do find the place there will be costs. The ID in this state will cost her $45. It would likely cost about $20 for her birth certificate. So my mom will have to pay $65 or more for the sole purpose of having the proper ID to vote with. She has been voting since she was 20 years old, now suddenly, after 50 years she would have to pay for that right. For someone like her who is on medicaid and lives in an assisted living center, that is a lot of money. Sure, in her case my brother and I would pay it for her, but there are a decent number of people who don't have that option.

Voter fraud is almost non-existent in this country. These laws are strictly put in place by republicans to limit the number of votes cast which helps them win elections.

Sly · 08-21-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

ok, according to true the vote

Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.

True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.

This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000

12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.

The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.

Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.

The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

True The Vote is Chuck Norris approved. I think that's funny!

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Originally Posted by kane

Voter fraud is almost non-existent in this country. These laws are strictly put in place by republicans to limit the number of votes cast which helps them win elections.

Lots of "almost"?

TheSquealer · 08-21-2013, 12:18 PM

It is pure insanity that in a democracy - it is viewed as inherently unfair that having a valid ID to elect a lease is inherently unfair or racist.

Even more. It's pure fucking awesomeness that expecting a Mexican or black to get a valid ID in order to vote (same id's required to do a myriad of other things we all do) is just setting the bar too high and expecting far too much.

Grapesoda · 08-21-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by purecane

you can open a bank account online with not one single document....i've done it before....ally bank.

former GMC? pretty Cool... like a numbered account basically... how did the voting online work out?

Grapesoda · 08-21-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Until recently I would have agreed with you, but I have actually recently gone through this with my mom.

Here is the problem. The issue is one of photo Id and available documents and cost of getting said items.

My mom was born at home in Illinois in 1940. It wasn't intended that way, but her dad was at work, mom went into labor and by the time dad got home to take her to the hospital she was on the way so she was born in the living room. Since she was not born in a hospital there wasn't an automatic issuing of a birth certificate. When my mom was six months old her family moved to Florida and then they lived in a few different states over the next few years as her dad looked for work. Her parents finally filed to get her birth certificate, but had to do everything via mail and my mom really has no idea where they filed this. She has never had a copy of her birth certificate.

For 65 years everything was fine. She had gotten credit cards, bought houses, cars, had jobs, got a drivers license and lived a typical life with her social security card/number being enough ID. Recently her drivers license expired. A few years prior to this she had stopped driving all together so it wasn't a big deal. She is disabled and has a very difficult time getting around so the DMV sent her a form that will allow her to get a non-photo ID through the mail which she did.

Now, if this voter bill were to be passed in our state she would not be able to vote because she doesn't have the proper photo ID. She can't get a photo ID because the state will not issue one without seeing a birth certificate and she has no real idea where to go about getting that. I would imagine I could send emails and do some searching and eventually find where she could do this, but there is no guarantee. Even if I do find the place there will be costs. The ID in this state will cost her $45. It would likely cost about $20 for her birth certificate. So my mom will have to pay $65 or more for the sole purpose of having the proper ID to vote with. She has been voting since she was 20 years old, now suddenly, after 50 years she would have to pay for that right. For someone like her who is on medicaid and lives in an assisted living center, that is a lot of money. Sure, in her case my brother and I would pay it for her, but there are a decent number of people who don't have that option.

Voter fraud is almost non-existent in this country. These laws are strictly put in place by republicans to limit the number of votes cast which helps them win elections.

fraud hurts us all in many ways and it's always the least able that get hurt the most

Grapesoda · 08-21-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

so wait a min, you are saying we need a driver's license to buy a pack of smokes.... but to vote something like a library card should be sufficient?

blackmonsters · 08-21-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Of the four ID's they are asking for, I have 3, I don't see a problem here.
My daughter is a student in another state, she has 3 of those ID's they are asking for.

The democrats are all against this, but will ask for ID when Obamacare goes into effect.

They just want to make sure that people only vote once is what it looks like, I read some of the numbers from the last election, this is common sense.

I only have one of those ID's.
And the one I have is because I had access to a car to learn how to drive.
Poor MoFo's walking and not driving only have a "State ID" which is not a driver's license and this is no longer accepted under these new rules.

But people provide a Social Security card and birth certificate to get the "state ID" the same as the driver's license. The only difference in the two IDs is the ability to drive.

But it is a fact that minorities are the one's holding only state ids because of no car.
You can fool yourself about this all you want; but it's clear what the goal is.

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MK Ultra · 08-21-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ng-rights.html

Sorry, black people and students.

How dare a state require a Government issued ID to vote!

I mean... the very idea!

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Show one original piece of identification with your photo, name and address. It must be issued by a government agency.
Examples

Driver's Licence
Ontario Health Card
Note: Not all electors in Ontario will have cards with photo, name and address
Provincial/Territorial Identification Card for the provinces/territories of
Newfoundland and Labrador
Prince Edward Island
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick
Manitoba
Alberta
British Columbia
Northwest Territories
Nunavut

http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx...index&la ng=e

Look to your own house we'll take care of ours.

signupdamnit · 08-21-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

ok, according to true the vote

Here are the facts:

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True the Vote (TTV) is a conservative[1][2] non-profit[3][better source needed] vote-monitoring organization whose stated objective is stopping voter fraud.

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True the Vote's website portrays voter fraud as largely a Democratic party problem. It routinely runs stories on election fraud being perpetrated by "liberals,"[14] or "Democrats".[15]

Like many groups pushing for strict voter ID laws, True the Vote asserts that voter fraud is widespread and deliberate, and relies on reports of individual incidents to support this assertion.[16] True the Vote argues for stronger voter ID laws in every state, and resists attempts to relax or remove voter ID laws. On December 13, 2011, it held a rally in Austin, Texas to support a stricter ID law passed earlier that year.[17]

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On February 28, Walker called for the data gathered by the "Verify the Recall" effort to be used as an official challenge of the recall.[23] This information was gathered and compiled entirely by True the Vote. True the Vote's executive summary contended that only 534,865 signatures gathered during the recall effort were valid.[24] There is evidence that True the Vote used a flawed process to discount signatures on the ballot, and that most of the signatures it discounted are, in fact, accurate.[25]

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In October 2012, Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat initiated an investigation into alleged voter suppression by True the Vote. Cummings wrote a letter to founder Engelbrecht, raising questions about voter challenges in Ohio, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Maryland. He indicated that if the efforts to challenge voter registrations were "intentional, politically motivated and widespread across multiple states, they could amount to a criminal conspiracy to deny legitimate voters their constitutional rights."[31]

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In 2012, True the Vote applied to the Franklin County Board of Elections to place polling observers in Columbus area districts with large African-American populations. A November 6, 2012, news report in the Cleveland Leader stated that the FBCOE in Ohio had "determined" five of the six signatures on the application were likely forged.[32] Because this type of fraud is a fifth degree felony, the FCBOE declared that an investigation will be conducted after the election.[33]

Catherine Engelbrecht responded to the allegations by saying that the signatures on the initial form were genuine, and, following Franklin County instructions, were copied onto subsequent forms. She said that prior to the placement of observers, the candidates rescinded their approval following threats of lawsuits. She said that the allegation of forgery was "blatant slander", and that William Anthony, the director of the FBCOE, was formerly the chairman of the county Democratic Party. She requested that Anthony release the timeline of events surrounding the allegations and clarify whether there was any coordination with the Democratic Party.[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_the_Vote

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While she portrays True the Vote as nonpartisan, it grew out of a Tea Party group, King Street Patriots, that she founded in Texas. An examination shows that it has worked closely with a variety of well-financed organizations, many unabashed in their desire to defeat President Obama.

A polished and provocative video, circulating among Tea Party activists, seeks to raise a ?cavalry? to march on swing states and identifies True the Vote as a participant in the effort, called Code Red USA.

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But when True the Vote vetted petition signatures in Wisconsin?s recall election, the state?s Government Accountability Board reported that the process was ?at best flawed.? The group raised questions about thousands of signatures that the board deemed valid.

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Ms. Engelbrecht has said her goal was not to stop the recall election, which had been backed by labor unions, but to prove to those behind it ?that unions cannot strong-arm America.? She said thousands of volunteers helped enter petition signatures into a database, which was then analyzed by the group?s software. Of the one million signatures, True the Vote said 63,038 were ineligible, 212,628 required further investigation and 584,489 were valid.

The accountability board concluded that about 900,000 signatures were valid and, in a memorandum reviewing True the Vote?s work, criticized its methods.

For example: Mary Lee Smith signed her name Mary L. Smith and was deemed ineligible by the group.

Signatures deemed ?out of state? included 13 from Milwaukee and three from Madison.

The group?s software would not recognize abbreviations, so Wisconsin addresses like Stevens Point were flagged if ?Pt.? was used on the petition.

Signatures were struck for lack of a ZIP code.

While the board commended the group for encouraging ?a strong level of civic engagement,? it found that True the Vote?s results ?were significantly less accurate, complete and reliable than the review and analysis completed by the G.A.B.?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/us...anted=all&_r=0

blackmonsters · 08-21-2013, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

It is pure insanity that in a democracy - it is viewed as inherently unfair that having a valid ID to elect a lease is inherently unfair or racist.

You're right, it's not racist to require a driver's license, you just need a car to learn how to drive.

Has anyone checked to see if car loans discriminate against poor people?

kane · 08-21-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Lots of "almost"?

I am talking about actual cases of voter fraud. Not dead people still on the rolls or people who filled out a card improperly or who moved and filled out a new card for their new state yet remain on the rolls in their old state as well. Those are bookkeeping issues, not voter fraud. I am talking about actual physical voter fraud where someone tried to cast an illegal ballot.

Let's look at North Caroline.

In 2012 6,947,317 votes were cast in various election. There were 121 alleged cases of voter fraud that were referred to the appropriate district attorney's office for further review. That means the voter fraud rate was 0.00174 per cent

In 2010 when there was no presidential election there were 3.79 million votes cast and 27 cases of voter fraud turned over to authorizes. That year the voter fraud rate was 0.000738 percent.

Yeah, is a huge problem.

08-21-2013, 09:58 AM	#3
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,118	Crazy that people that are supposed to follow an extensive list of rules to qualify them as a voter has to actually verify citizenship/state of residence etc to vote. Fucking moron. You have to have ID to do anything else but vote. Makes total sense if you are a complete fucking idiot. Oh... i keep forgetting by your non stop bullshit here that you're not even American. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

08-21-2013, 10:02 AM	#4
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Of the four ID's they are asking for, I have 3, I don't see a problem here. My daughter is a student in another state, she has 3 of those ID's they are asking for. The democrats are all against this, but will ask for ID when Obamacare goes into effect. They just want to make sure that people only vote once is what it looks like, I read some of the numbers from the last election, this is common sense. __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

08-21-2013, 10:05 AM	#6
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	where exactly is the problem? or do you guys just see the keyword "Republican" or "Democrat" and jump to conclusions without even reading the article? __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

08-21-2013, 10:07 AM	#8
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	We're not talking about going to a bar or driving. Try to pay attention, or like me, get back to work. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-21-2013, 10:15 AM	#9
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	They're looking for a solution without a problem. There was no voter fraud in the last election. High voter turnout usually favors Democratic candidates, so trying to knock minorities out of the process will ensure more Republican victories. Why is it that only Republican state governments are doing these kinds of things? They're afraid of black and young voters. They need old white people to get elected. __________________

08-21-2013, 10:32 AM	#15
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	You should have to show a state or federal issued ID. That simple. No exceptions. Don't care what color you are. If you need to show a valid ID to drive, buy booze, or buy a firearm, you should need to show one to vote. If voting means that much to you, get an ID so you can prove you who are.

08-21-2013, 10:45 AM	#16
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	There is nothing wrong with requiring a high security ID to vote in itself. The problem is that the voting fraud it's trying to stop is extremely rare and in practice it will probably prevent 100 or 1000 people from voting for every 1 fraudulent vote it actually stops. Most people won't be stopped from voting due to it being impossible for them under the new requirements but rather because it increases the hurdles they have to face in order to vote. It could backfire on the people who think it will mainly hurt the Democrats. Sometimes if certain groups perceive that you are trying to persecute them or prevent them from voting they end up turning up in record numbers. It's said this happened a bit last November. People waited up to 8 hours to vote in southern Florida last year when early voting was curtailed a bit and many polling places were closed. It only hardened their determination to vote. __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want. Last edited by signupdamnit; 08-21-2013 at 10:49 AM..

08-21-2013, 10:47 AM	#17
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	BLK people and students can't get drivers license or valid ID? LOL

08-21-2013, 10:48 AM	#19
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Apparently Republicans are the ones doing all the voter fraud.... Roxanne Rubin, Nevada Republican, Accepts Plea Deal After Committing Voter Fraud http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2566297.html Florida finds evidence of voter fraud by GOP-tied firm http://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/flor...p_tied_ firm/ Another Republican convicted of felony voter fraud http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...ny-voter-fraud Virginia Republican pleads guilty to dozens of counts of voter fraud http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/1...f-voter-fraud/ Shocker: Republicans Account For Most Cases Of U.S. Voter Fraud http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06...-s-voter-fraud

08-21-2013, 10:49 AM	#21
PR_Glen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,058	i'm pretty sure you need photo id to vote in canada as well. are we racist too? __________________ webmaster at pimproll dot com

08-21-2013, 10:59 AM	#24
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,296	I have two photo IDs. I can't even drive! Aim high. Aim high. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available - just $50/mo Wanted: CCBill pay sites for sale

08-21-2013, 11:15 AM	#31
RyuLion ClubDomCash.com Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 32,186	Its only gonna get worst / strict.. __________________ Adult Biz Consultant A tech head since 1995

08-21-2013, 11:16 AM	#32
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Just a thought, maybe we shouldn't allow people to stupid to drive to pick our leaders... __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

08-21-2013, 11:25 AM	#35
purecane Annakin Skywalker Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: megaminds' secret lair Posts: 1,324	what about Obama hiring George Soros' company to count all those fraudulent votes????? nobody wants to talk about that huh? __________________ [email protected]

08-21-2013, 11:32 AM	#36
Captain Kawaii So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,748	Poor people in the south are often born at home and often do not get birth certificates. When they do, it is often handled by people who are barely literate themselves. Often, no one in the house is literate. This and the fact many are born with one name and go by another are pretty difficult for people with next to no education to get past and have proper ID. When they do get education or assistance they slide because in small communities people slide as there are still "christians" with old time values who believe in helping people. When I owned properties on the southeast coast I often had workers working for me who had only an x or a pretty unreadable signature. Older people, those likely to vote, fall into this voting mess. Personally I think people who have no ID and want to vote should be sorted out with the help of their churches or local councils. I am all for keeping non citizens out of the voting process but this matter should be fixed. US is a messed up country. This whole thing is a dog and pony show to distract people from the real problems. Last edited by Captain Kawaii; 08-21-2013 at 11:34 AM..

08-21-2013, 11:40 AM	#37
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Ahhh the simple days where you had to be a white male Protestant land owner to vote. Actually, I think you should have to show "proper ID" as well as a copy of the previous years tax return to vote. .

08-21-2013, 11:52 AM	#39
Trend Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mexico and Midwest Posts: 612	Mark, nice piece of trolling

08-21-2013, 12:18 PM	#42
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,118	It is pure insanity that in a democracy - it is viewed as inherently unfair that having a valid ID to elect a lease is inherently unfair or racist. Even more. It's pure fucking awesomeness that expecting a Mexican or black to get a valid ID in order to vote (same id's required to do a myriad of other things we all do) is just setting the bar too high and expecting far too much. Last edited by TheSquealer; 08-21-2013 at 12:19 PM..