dave90210

The new MacBook Pro starting at $2000 have no dedicated video memory!!! Can you fucking believe that? Actually all the new models have no dedicated video memory just the $2500 model it's the only one!

You can buy a $300 PC with 512 and they have PCs with over a gig starting at $500.

Last years Macs all had at least 512 dedicated now only one has and it's almost 3 thousand dollars after taxes wtf!!!

Markul

Don't but it then

But plenty will. For sure.

BAKO

All I know is I have made cash with my PC for years and I'm not about the switch it for no fucking mac lol

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Oh my, this should be a fun day.

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Apple hardware is always a rip off. That's what happens when you have a horde of users who just buy to buy, not really knowing or caring what they are spending their money on.

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dave90210

What allot of people don't realize Mac is a Linux based operating system making it appear faster than a PC. You can install Linux Ubuntu on a PC and get the same results for free!

Stacy Crak

Went to get my 3 year old (boosted) Mac Book Pro fixed... again. This time I was told it was vintage and it would cost me as much as getting a new one... so I should be spending 3500$ every 3 years?

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You don't understand. You should be honored that they allow you to overspend on their hardware. It's their software that you are paying for. Duh!

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dyna mo

that lack of fucntionality is offset by rounded corners. can't have all the apple hi-tech in 1 product

MPGdevil

You get what you pay for.
Except with Apple where you get less.

PuffyCash_Megan

I was so happy with my Quad core G5 that I probably would buy another mac, it lasted about 6 years then the processor died and it just wasn't worth fixing. PCs are better price Vs quality, but a mac is a dream to use

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_Richard_

don't worry tho. apple don't break.

2MuchMark

You dun goofed.


Read http://www.apple.com/ca/macbook-pro/specs-retina/


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MPGdevil

For the $2600 version.

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apple products are just a wealthier class of products, sadly

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ls101

Plenty of fool will buy that shit!

vdbucks

Unix, not Linux. Your point is more or less the same but there's a pretty big difference between Unix and Linux.

L-Pink

Mac haters crack me up

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2MuchMark

You're right. The 13" Macbook Pro includes the Intel Iris Graphics, while the 15" comes with Intel Iris PRO Graphics.

The 13" Macbook with Intel Iris Graphics DOES come with dedicated video memory. According to http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4776...mid-range-gpus its 128MB of embedded memory is supposed to equal the performance of the Nvidia GeForce GT 650MB card.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/....html#viewmore

According to CNET

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...h-macbook-pro/


I think they are the actual 'fanboys'.

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vdbucks

The Mac hardware is irrelevant. The components are all made by the same manufacturers that make PC parts.

Motherboards: Apple specific (Same way HP motherboards are) but last time i checked, made by FoxConn, who also makes PC motherboards. Same capacitors and components.
CPUs: Intel - Same exact CPU's found in Macs are found in PCs (or servers if using Xeon).
GPU: Intel/Nvidia/ATI - Same as above.
Ram - Same as above.
HDD/SSD -Same as above.

The only actual difference between PC hardware and Mac hardware is the firmware in some cases. Otherwise, it's exactly the same. There isn't some "special" bin of components, capacitors, or other parts that are only available to Mac.

I spent about $1,200 when i bought this system:
Gigabyte GA-Z77N-WIFI
Intel core i7 3770k - oh look, I can overclock. Macs can't.
Gainward Nvidia Geforce GTX 660 Ti Phantom
16GB DDR3
3x SSD's, 1 platter HDD
Bitfenix Prodigy Case, Black.

Clover UEFI Bootloader, my Hack works like a real Mac. Including the recovery partition, restoring from Time Machine, iCloud, Find My Mac, etc. Updates without breaking anything whatsoever.
Full CPU power management, speed step, etc.
Full GPU power management and performance.

There are a whole 5 steps that need to be taken to get it up and running fully.

1. Install OS X, obviously.
2. Install Clover UEFI Bootloader.
3. Extract DSDT and patch it with motherboard specific patches, made by people greater than me heh.
4. Generate a SSDT for speed stepping using script made by people greater than me.
5. Inject RealtekRTL81xx.kext and FakeSMC.kext and patch AppleHDA.kext at boot time. No kexts installed to S/L/E, so nothing broken after updates.

5 steps and what, an hour or so of setup time? I'll take that and the $1,500-2,000 I saved any day of the week.

As I said in another thread talking about Macs, it takes me less time to install OS X than it does to install any flavor of Windows.

I can also setup and install OS X to raid (0 or 1), fusion, etc., just like Macs can. In fact, the only thing I can't do is take it to Apple when something goes wrong. Which, being that I know exactly what is in my system and how it works, I would never need to anyway. If something dies and is no longer under warranty, I can simply replace it. I can also upgrade at will. Good luck replacing or upgrading anything in that new Diaper Genie Pro.


Oh and before anyone says the highest Mac Pro is better than my system because of the dual CPUs... I had a dual Xeon system before this one identical to the Mac Pro dual Xeon, and while it certainly had more processing capacity, it loses in actual processing power for most things.

As far as the operating system war goes, that I'll leave to the end user. Use what works best for you. OS X simply works best for my needs because it gives me everything I need - for the most part - from windows as well as Linux. Sure, I could install windows then run linux in a VM, which i used to do, but why bother when I get the best of both world from OS X.


Last but not least, for those who want to build their own Hack Pro but don't know where to start: http://www.tonymacx86.com/393-buildi...ober-2013.html

sandman!

and what all the linux fans seem to forget its bsd/unix based no Linux in a mac

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2MuchMark

It's very simple folks...

If you have some money and need a new computer, shop around. If you think that Macbook Pro's are too expensive but that a Macbook might do, go to an Apple store and test it for yourself.

Do you automatically by the car that has the biggest engine? Of course not. Apply the same thinking to buying your computer which is:

- Does it do what I want?
- Is it fast enough?
- If its a laptop, is the battery life long enough?
- Will I get good, fast, accurate customer support? (With only 1 phone call?)
- If its a laptop, is it light enough? Does it feel solid enough?
- Etc etc etc...

If you take everything above into account, no matter what computer you buy, it will be "The right one for you".

Personally, I don't edit video on my Macbook so I don't need a bazillion core cpu. I'm happy with the 9 second boot-up speed I use it for email and web surfing and site design and customer support and Skype, music, movies, FTP, etc. It's more than fast enough and the batteries last over 9 hours of real world use. It's the "right computer for me".

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Colmike9

Training new tech support agents at Apple that weren't Mac users was so fucking annoying. I'm having flashbacks...

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garce

What else would expect from Apple? Fuck them and their generic appliance fail computers.

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I always wonder about a bunch of adult forum guys sucking 'mac cock' when mac is anti adult.. . not really sure I would support anything trying to my take the food off my table

Grapesoda

off course, who wouldn't?

American Psycho

Macs are more expensive.
Macs products are better quality, better designed and better os than any other computer company I can think of.

They set design standards (which is not just making things look pretty) in the computrr imdustry and as such they are "cool" and the highest end of the market so with all that they chsrge a premium.

I have over 20 work stations and for all my main one I buy all refurb or 2nd hand mac and I pay less than buying an asus or another bloated window machine and I'm VERY happy that way.

For work that requires something cheap I buy cheap pcs.

End.

DeanCapture

me too!

They're happy to pay more money for a nice shiny sports car or luxury car because they want a certain experience when they drive.....but if you pay more for a computer because you want a certain experience when you compute - you must be a complete dumbass

Fuck the haters....and whiners....that's what I say

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crockett

How the fuck are you supposed to use that as a door stop when it breaks? It will just roll away..

kane

Just out of curiosity, what can a mac do that a PC can't. I have looked at macs and I can seem to see any real upside or how they will make my life easier or more productive.

Sly

On a serious note, is there any real purpose to the canister shape? Does it help with cooling at all? May allow for more surface area for better natural cooling?

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Is there any PC laptop that can compete with the retina display?

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When I see it I want to throw trash in it.

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American Psycho

better quality hardware means less hardware issues and better os with less viruses , bloatware etc which means more productivity.

To the guy that built his own do you not get that 99% of computer shoppers can't even consider doing that so have to hire somebody to do it thus which cost $ and is a pain when they could have it configured by Apple and working 100 percent and supported right out of the box.

when a media company for instance a post editing house wants 10 computers do you think they want to go through the bs and cost of spending their staff to build them or did they just go to Apple and order them?

Also video people buy mac because final cut is def the best editing software.

kane

[QUOTE=American Psycho;19848641]I guess, for me, it comes down to choice. I build my own PC's so I buy good stuff for them. I have only ever had one HD fail and 1 memory stick over all the years.

I have good anti virus and know how to avoid spyware ect.

That said, I understand I am not the typical user so someone who knows a lot less might benefit from a mac. For example my brother's wife's computer gets so full of spyware and viruses about every 4-6 months I end up fixing it because it is going so slow it takes 10 minutes to boot up.

American Psycho

[QUOTE=kane;19848643]
Exactly.
people who build computers underestimate just how difficult it is for somebody who has no clue what even a GB is.
Saying macs are expensive and you could build a chesper pc is like saying a Ferrari is expensive I could just build a fast car myself for less.

sure maybe that guy who is an expert mechanic can build a car and make it as fast as a Ferrari but the chances are it's not going to be as visually pleasing and it's going to take him a lot of time which most normal people who have money just go by the Ferrari which also happens to come with a logo saying Ferrari or a repair shop they can drop off repairs or support they call for help.

I know I can build PCs for a little bit cheaper but at the end of the day if I have to have my staff to do it it's just easier to buy a mac.

That said if I need a really fast machine im building a pc as a mac would cost a lot amd that savimg of $6k is worth it but not a few hundred on $3k machine.

But yea its also preferance .....but oh year in can run windows on my macs too when I need both os which I often do.

Its hard for any sane person to deny that macs are expemsive but its also hard to deny they are the best out of the Box computer on the market.

American Psycho

http://technologizer.com/2008/08/14/...e-and-for-all/

Here some proofs!

Also the op like most idiots complaining is likely
flat out wrong since it sounds inaccurate and I believe someone posted proof it was wrong

vdbucks

Umm, no.

Again, no. The software is less popular, thus is targeted less than Windows. If OS X, or Linux, or BSD, etc OS becomes the most popular OS in the world - like Windows is - then you can bet your ass they'd be targeted and exploited like Windows is now.

OS X has a shit load of security holes that aren't exploited simply because OS X isn't targeted.


While I agree that most people have no clue as to where to even begin when it comes to computer hardware -- like my partner heh -- arguing that only Macs come working out of the box is pretty ignorant. Again, PCs and Windows controls the market share for a reason.

This is not to say that Mac is bad, or OS X is bad -- obviously, I run OS X exclusively -- but arguing that Macs are better because they work out of the box is just... lol.

Again, Mac hardware and PC hardware are the same.

That intel processor in your mac is the same intel processor in my "hack"; whether it be the core i5, core i7, or xeon. They are 100% the same.

The HDD/SSD in your mac is made by Intel/Samsung/Toshiba/etc (whoever the lowest bidder is at the time). 2 of my SSDs are made by intel, one by corsair.

The ram in your mac is made by the lowest bidder. I believe that this latest line of MacBooks has ram made by Samsung. My Ram is made by corsair, and I'm pretty sure I could use these same sticks of ram in say, an iMac.

GPU - In macbooks, you start out with nothing more than the same built-in intel HD4000, HD5000, etc that is found in PCs with onboard video. The "advanced" graphics in Macs is Nvidia and ATI, and are the same as any gpu found in PCs of the same level (a 780m in a mac is the same 780m in a pc, etc). The HUGE difference between gpus in Mac and gpus in PCs are they perform about 20% WORSE in Macs.

Even the high-end GPU's that you can get in a mac pro, like nvidia quadro or amd firepro are equally available to pc.

Well, from the looks of it, most of them are buying PCs. There is a reason PCs and Windows still reigns supreme, and probably always will.

Maybe the old Final Cut Pro was back in it's heyday, but Final Cut Pro X? Don't make me laugh lol. You should have made that argument for Logic Pro X for audio people instead.


Also, don't get me wrong, I think Macs are great. Rather, I think OS X is great. I run it exclusively, but not because I think it's better than Windows because I don't. OS X just suits my needs better than anything else at this time.

I just don't see myself shelling out that much for a real Mac because I know that most of that money is for nothing more than the logo. It has nothing to do with whether I can afford it or not, because I can. I just like getting the most value for my money, and the best value for me would be to build 3 of the same systems as I have now for the cost of 1 Mac. And now I have 3 times the overall power and productivity capabilities that your 1 mac has.

I should also note that I don't skimp on my pc parts. I don't buy the cheapest shit, I buy the high end shit that's built to last. I do however cut costs for things I don't need, like buying a mini-ITX motherboard because I have no need for SLI or multiple PCI-e slots, and because it's smaller but still provides the power and features where I need it to. And if I needed more PCI-e slots or the like, I'd just buy a different motherboard that has what I need. That's the power of choice.

I also love to tinker, which I wouldn't be able to do in with a Mac.

vdbucks

When I built my first computer, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. You know how I solved that problem? I RTFM'd (Read The Fucking Manual). It is only "difficult" for people to understand because most people are too lazy to try and learn anything for themselves.

Oh, the dumb Mac = Ferrari vs PC = Hyundai analogy again. This analogy fails for so many reason. The primary reason being, Macs and the PC equivalent counterparts have the same hardware. Ferrari's and Hyundai's do not.

I find this statement funny, considering that you just tried to use the "Mac = Ferrari, PC = Hyundai" analogy just 2 short paragraphs ago. So are you now saying that a shitty little Hyundai has more power and speed than a top of the line Ferrari?

All hope apparently is not lost on you though. I for one was never talking about a difference in price of a few hundred bucks. But when it comes down to $3k for the basic model with less specs vs my $1,200 system...

American Psycho

Your are off on so many ways.
First
When debating Mac price don't talk about building a computer it holds ZERO RELEVANCE.
Does no one get that?

1. Who cares what the reason is mac get less viruses , THEY GET LESS VIRUSES! Less build in ads etc. I have a sony laptop and I watch Hulu and Comcast online and you know how many times I get a popup that takes my movie out of full screen and it drives me nuts and I have to go to disable it you never get that on a Mac ever

2. People prob buy more cheap toilet paper does that make the cheap sand paper stuff better? Nope. Makes it cheaper.

Consumers buy a superior package. Apple design, hardware , cloud , itunes iphone, included software , ease of use , the brandname , support and cool factor etc etc u simply DO NOT GET WITH ASUS OR HP ETC..

4. Ur are right about the os being a big part but u don't put a price on a superior os?
So ,people that want a better os amd don't build a whole computer are being ripped off

Furthermore ready link posted pcs not really cheaper anyways...

American Psycho

I realize what I said...i did say it.
I know how to build a computer most people don't. So it makes sense.

You are saying a average person with a non tech background is lazy cause they don't learn how to build a computer? That just dumb. Dude
I'm talkimg real world not tech geeks.

Also I didn't say Hyundai that would be stupid.
I said a skilled mechanic could build an equally fast car but its takes a lot of time , experience and it's likely not going to be as a visually pleasing and mising a few other key items like the apple package amd its just not an option for non geeks....

American Psycho

for all you tech geeks talking about building ur machine why don't you go bake all your bread cause you could probably do it cheaper and make it taste better.

and since there's people that know how to bake everyone who doesn't do it is getting ripped off and is lazy and stupid

vdbucks

Your argument was that OS X gets less virus' because it's a better OS when, in fact, that is not the reason. So to sit here and now say the reason doesn't matter after your previous argument was proven wrong is pure nonsense. If the day ever comes that OS X becomes the most popular OS, then it will become targeted like Windows is.

If the cheap toilet paper is virtually the same in every way imaginable, and even better than the expensive toilet paper, then yes, it would matter. You should stop trying to make analogies because you fail terribly at them.

That is the most ridiculous and ignorant thing I have ever heard.

Sure, I put a price tag on the OS. I paid $20 for Snow Leopard (iirc), $20 for Lion, $20 for Mountain Lion, and nothing for Mavericks.

The "superior OS" part of your argument holds no value or relevance because if it were truly superior then it would be the most popular. I mean, if you're trying to argue that people want and pay for the best, then why aren't more people paying for and buying Macs?

An outdated article from 2008 with a pretty obvious bias from a site I've never heard of. I wonder how hard you had to search before finding that 1 article.

L-Pink

Lol, Perfect!

American Psycho

Vdbuck ur vd has gone to ur head.

Yes ok ur right. Macs are overpriced because u can personally build one for cheaper. Kudos. and everyone who buys one is lazy cause the dont learn to build a computer by hand.

Personally I'd rather spend my time makimg money than playing lego with my computer hardware and getting the blue neons with liquid cooling.

ur most popular os argument nlah blah.
I guarantee you at least 50 percent of Microsoft users had the money they would buy an Apple.

Apple is the richest company in the world for a reason amd I guess its got nothing to do with the entire package that apple offers and it's because all apple users hate the ecosystem , feel apple ripped them off and they are just too lazy to build a custom pc.