Should I Start a Tube Site In 2014? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

bean-aid · 12-30-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

15K daily in organic traffic like that and I see a minimum of $3K monthly in sales and rebills from 50/50 subscriptions to underpromoted yet not micro-niched sites, generated from a one page wonder that offers very little free content.

Hard to keep the organic if focusing on a *one page wonder*. That's the problem.

Not many people use the tube and just make it a paysite.

ITraffic · 12-30-2013, 11:09 AM

plan your traffic strategy, without that you have nothing. get your seo / link building plan and budget in place and to grow it initially build it up with bought feeder and trading traffic like the scraper tubes do.

Far-L · 12-30-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420

I have a tubesite getting 15k hits daily, all SEO and bookmarks. I haven't been able to make it turn a profit yet, it's just one tiny little headache after another. In large part because of the reasons that Farrell outlined. It's not my core competence, it's a massive time drain on the staff I have left and the traffic management that I SHOULD be doing (but I'm not) boggles my mind anytime I allow myself to think about it. Anyone who considers themselves an expert and has a track record to prove it is welcome to hit me up and see if we can work something out.

And there you have it... a post not based on speculations and conjecture but on facts and first hand experience.

I would say in 2014 putting up a tube is not a "build it and they will come" proposition and to proceed with caution. Also, the effort and money might be better spent elsewhere to generate sales, imo,

12-30-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Let's hear your thoughts on whether it's worth it to launch a new tube site in 2014. I have a fantastic tube site domain name I've been sitting on for 3 years now but before now I was too busy with my paysite empire to focus on a tube of my own.

So is it still "worth it" to launch a tube in 2014? Almost everyone seems to have one.....and then I'm wondering if a Mech Bunny "template" site is the way to go or to really try a new design, something differant, to kick start the project. But first we need to determine if it's even worth the effort at this point.

Advice please?

Instead of launching a tube site with 3rd party content partners, why don't you:

buy a Mech Bunny license
brand this in your new tube domain
upload all of your own tube clips that you have edited over the years
use the banner space to advertise your own network pass membership and/or trials
promote your existing cam platform

Once the heavy lifting of site design and content uploading is done, then the daily maintenance would not take you the hours that running and managing a tube site, with a content partnership program, would. As/when your editors edit a tube clip, you simply upload this clip to your own tube as you currently do with YouPorn, PornHub etc etc.

You may only have 2-300 tube clips, and only edit 1 or 2 new tube clips a week, but this is not about quantity, its about showing the quality and true value of your network membership.

To generate traffic, serve pop unders to your non member exit traffic. After all, this traffic has visited your site because they showed an initial interest, but for what ever reason, didn't buy a membership. If you had a "tube" that only featured your content, your banners etc, then that user will see the sheer size of your library, and the real value of buying a network membership with you. You could run 30-50% first month discounts on the banners, or trials. Remember, this was exit traffic that didn't buy a membership, but were interested.

So, rather than launching a new "tube" per say, and trying to improve on the user experience of existing tubes, and have this take up so much of your time, with little, if any, chance of making money, why not use the "tube" platform to make a glorified extended tour? It will make great use of non member exit traffic that you may never see again...

Magnetron · 12-30-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Hard to keep the organic if focusing on a *one page wonder*. That's the problem.

Not many people use the tube and just make it a paysite.

I think there would be a nice compromise in giving tube surfers the option of voluntarily exiting through a handful of one page wonder sites loaded with alternative sponsors. I'd be willing to bet that this combo of diversity and no pressure sales tactic, enough surfers would discover something alternative worth buying.

I am very confident that if Porn Nerd ran just a 10K daily tube with his own content in this manner, he'd make his $500+ weekly goal between sales and rebills from his sites and others outside his network.

Porko · 12-30-2013, 01:36 PM

bean-aid · 12-30-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

I think there would be a nice compromise in giving tube surfers the option of voluntarily exiting through a handful of one page wonder sites loaded with alternative sponsors. I'd be willing to bet that this combo of diversity and no pressure sales tactic, enough surfers would discover something alternative worth buying.

I am very confident that if Porn Nerd ran just a 10K daily tube with his own content in this manner, he'd make his $500+ weekly goal between sales and rebills from his sites and others outside his network.

Maybe... I still believe the route is to make the tube site not look so much like a tube, but rather a tour which has the join page right on the tube tour. It is the 1000's of pages that *hopefully* will help get the traffic. Then getting that traffic to convert the quickest way possible.

That *one page wonder* could be the join page smack right there on the tube. Couple that with your own billing method (i.e. join/credit card page) on the tube/tour itself... maybe something is there.

fuzebox · 12-30-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Instead of launching a tube site with 3rd party content partners, why don't you:

buy a Mech Bunny license
brand this in your new tube domain
upload all of your own tube clips that you have edited over the years
use the banner space to advertise your own network pass membership and/or trials
promote your existing cam platform

Once the heavy lifting of site design and content uploading is done, then the daily maintenance would not take you the hours that running and managing a tube site, with a content partnership program, would. As/when your editors edit a tube clip, you simply upload this clip to your own tube as you currently do with YouPorn, PornHub etc etc.

You may only have 2-300 tube clips, and only edit 1 or 2 new tube clips a week, but this is not about quantity, its about showing the quality and true value of your network membership.

To generate traffic, serve pop unders to your non member exit traffic. After all, this traffic has visited your site because they showed an initial interest, but for what ever reason, didn't buy a membership. If you had a "tube" that only featured your content, your banners etc, then that user will see the sheer size of your library, and the real value of buying a network membership with you. You could run 30-50% first month discounts on the banners, or trials. Remember, this was exit traffic that didn't buy a membership, but were interested.

So, rather than launching a new "tube" per say, and trying to improve on the user experience of existing tubes, and have this take up so much of your time, with little, if any, chance of making money, why not use the "tube" platform to make a glorified extended tour? It will make great use of non member exit traffic that you may never see again...

Solid suggestion

The Porn Nerd · 12-30-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Instead of launching a tube site with 3rd party content partners, why don't you:

buy a Mech Bunny license
brand this in your new tube domain
upload all of your own tube clips that you have edited over the years
use the banner space to advertise your own network pass membership and/or trials
promote your existing cam platform

Once the heavy lifting of site design and content uploading is done, then the daily maintenance would not take you the hours that running and managing a tube site, with a content partnership program, would. As/when your editors edit a tube clip, you simply upload this clip to your own tube as you currently do with YouPorn, PornHub etc etc.

You may only have 2-300 tube clips, and only edit 1 or 2 new tube clips a week, but this is not about quantity, its about showing the quality and true value of your network membership.

To generate traffic, serve pop unders to your non member exit traffic. After all, this traffic has visited your site because they showed an initial interest, but for what ever reason, didn't buy a membership. If you had a "tube" that only featured your content, your banners etc, then that user will see the sheer size of your library, and the real value of buying a network membership with you. You could run 30-50% first month discounts on the banners, or trials. Remember, this was exit traffic that didn't buy a membership, but were interested.

So, rather than launching a new "tube" per say, and trying to improve on the user experience of existing tubes, and have this take up so much of your time, with little, if any, chance of making money, why not use the "tube" platform to make a glorified extended tour? It will make great use of non member exit traffic that you may never see again...

Thank You Robert - and Magnetron and Far-L, too - for some great advice. I actually think you may be hacking into my personal files there Robert because what you outlined is precisely what I have planned! LOL

When I say I want to start a tube it's understandable that people immediately think I'm going to try and compete with XHamster. But this is not my goal at all. I do not want a PornTube or a PornHub (mostly because of all the fantastic points laid out here in terms of time, expense and little chance of success). instead, I intend to make this an 'Art Tube', focusing on the erotic HD niche (a niche you know I know well Robert).

IF the tube grows "organically" and I see potential in opening it up to Content Partners then that's another thing. But for right now I want to simply promote my own network and a select few other "erotic art"-style websites as an affiliate. Then let's see what happens. You KNOW I am good at marketing/branding and I'm hoping the URL, design and overall presentation will go a long way. We will see.

Oh, and I currently have: 3,236 edited tube clips to populate my tube with, not counting any affiliate content, and edit about 60 new clips a week for my 32+ paysites. So there's a start.

12-30-2013, 02:53 PM

Actually, the ruseful nic is mine, JT, not Roberts

12-30-2013, 03:01 PM

And I am launching my own tube as I detailed to you. Our clips do well on the tubes

Check out the most popular sites of all time on youporn, I have 9 of the top 11!! www.youporn.com/channels/most_popular/alltime/

12-30-2013, 03:03 PM

Would you be open to each of us discussing our ideas? Skype me: shittingnora
JT

The Porn Nerd · 12-30-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Actually, the ruseful nic is mine, JT, not Roberts

Wow too much eggnog (or coding) for me! So sorry JT. LOL

So instead I will thank YOU for the great advice.

I am nothing if not realistic, in both reality (the marketplace, economic landscape) and my own strengths/limitations. So my expectations remain realistic, i think, and with what you outlined JT I think the 'heavy lifting' will be the most time-consuming but am hoping I can get some of my employees to help out with uploading, etc. Design always takes more focus for me.

Anyway, we will see how it all goes but thanks again for hitting a bulls-eye with what my intentions are.

The Porn Nerd · 12-30-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Would you be open to each of us discussing our ideas? Skype me: shittingnora
JT

Yes I would be open ti discussing many things with you. I believe I am already an affiliate so getting your clips onto my 'art tube' would be great for both of us. This week is insane (of course) with NYE tomorrow but later in the week I'll reach out.

(I had a feeling you would start your own tube eventually. LOL Great good luck with it!)

Oohh · 12-31-2013, 10:50 AM

yes you should, everything else suck

Far-L · 12-31-2013, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Instead of launching a tube site with 3rd party content partners, why don't you:

buy a Mech Bunny license
brand this in your new tube domain
upload all of your own tube clips that you have edited over the years
use the banner space to advertise your own network pass membership and/or trials
promote your existing cam platform

Once the heavy lifting of site design and content uploading is done, then the daily maintenance would not take you the hours that running and managing a tube site, with a content partnership program, would. As/when your editors edit a tube clip, you simply upload this clip to your own tube as you currently do with YouPorn, PornHub etc etc.

You may only have 2-300 tube clips, and only edit 1 or 2 new tube clips a week, but this is not about quantity, its about showing the quality and true value of your network membership.

To generate traffic, serve pop unders to your non member exit traffic. After all, this traffic has visited your site because they showed an initial interest, but for what ever reason, didn't buy a membership. If you had a "tube" that only featured your content, your banners etc, then that user will see the sheer size of your library, and the real value of buying a network membership with you. You could run 30-50% first month discounts on the banners, or trials. Remember, this was exit traffic that didn't buy a membership, but were interested.

So, rather than launching a new "tube" per say, and trying to improve on the user experience of existing tubes, and have this take up so much of your time, with little, if any, chance of making money, why not use the "tube" platform to make a glorified extended tour? It will make great use of non member exit traffic that you may never see again...

Going that route, imo, it is a great idea but then he might as well just set up a caged tour/trial so that the transition from outside member area to inside the member's area is seamless.

The Porn Nerd · 12-31-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Going that route, imo, it is a great idea but then he might as well just set up a caged tour/trial so that the transition from outside member area to inside the member's area is seamless.

Well, I had considered this but being a network of 32 individual Members Areas (and growing; I'm adding 7 new sites in 2014) not one I would think that would make things more confusing. Plus I'm launching an entirely new network (and affiliate program) in January so a tube would be great to promote all my properties.

Then again I'm sure I'm missing something here. NYE starting already for us New Yorkers. :D

Cheers everyone!!

KyleC · 01-01-2014, 09:28 PM

I don't think so.

INever · 01-01-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by celibado

I often read gfy and I see a lot of people arguing about the porn is dead, or the tubes has destroyed the porn industry. ¿Why we do not start a tube site together only for fun? Let's say gfytube.com for example. If they are profits, then we create a little company and share the profits together like opensource software.

If someone would like to start we can use Lean Startup method. I have a dedicated server with a fixed IPs that I can share.

So, volunteers? To get the videos we can get it through sponsors, and I have a tool to import massively that videos. I started TubeX that can be downloaded free and installed in a vps (under development): lavecinadel5.com (slash) tube (slash) TubeX-master if someone can have a look at the experiment is welcome. I can't write urls because I'm a new in porn, I have not reached 30 posts minimum.

The objective here is start a tube site with 0 investment, except server. The big problem: THE TRAFFIC.

Methods to get traffic:

1.- Uploading videos to tube sites like xvideos watermarking the gfytube.com inside.
2.- Buying it
3.- Link Building
4.- Sell the traffic to buy more traffic.
5.- Trading it
6.- ¿More ideas?

Interested people on that project can send me an e-mail to mariodi at gmail dot com . If we can reach 5 people, then, we create a thread on the forum to share our experience.

I hope you will have a happy new year.

Best regards, and sorry for my bad english, I'm from Spain.

Re:#4, what kind of traffic? ie; their niche/interest?

SlammedMedia · 01-02-2014, 08:44 PM

there will be no better time than now.

Godzy_87_USA · 01-03-2014, 03:22 AM

ya... why not?

HellOfaCock · 01-03-2014, 03:54 AM

mobile responsive!

Far-L · 01-03-2014, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Well, I had considered this but being a network of 32 individual Members Areas (and growing; I'm adding 7 new sites in 2014) not one I would think that would make things more confusing. Plus I'm launching an entirely new network (and affiliate program) in January so a tube would be great to promote all my properties.

Then again I'm sure I'm missing something here. NYE starting already for us New Yorkers. :D

Cheers everyone!!

Hope you had an excellent and safe new years!

To pick up where we left off, and continue playing devil's advocate, I have a couple questions.

How exactly can you assume a tube is going to be great if you haven't figured out the traffic part of the deal?

Since you won't be taking user submits, and are focusing on a niche that only a limited few can afford to be in, which is pretty highly visible already on other tubes, how will you set yourself apart?

sinilavali · 01-03-2014, 05:03 AM

Good luck.

The Porn Nerd · 01-03-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Hope you had an excellent and safe new years!

To pick up where we left off, and continue playing devil's advocate, I have a couple questions.

How exactly can you assume a tube is going to be great if you haven't figured out the traffic part of the deal?

Since you won't be taking user submits, and are focusing on a niche that only a limited few can afford to be in, which is pretty highly visible already on other tubes, how will you set yourself apart?

Happy New Year!

To answer your questions (if you want to call what I'm about to say an "answer" LOL):

1. Traffic IS the most important thing. There are only a few ways to get it (as you well know) so I intend to do a (limited) combination of traffic generation. A fair amount should come from SEO. The rest will come from Bookmarkers, traffic/link trades and a limited amount of traffic buys. I don't have the buget (or the inclination) to drop $100,000 on traffic to 'jump start' a project like this but can throw several thousand in targeted traffic at the new tube for six months to see if anything 'sticks'.

2. Design. Presentation is everything (well, a lot) and the problem I have with most tubes is the 'overwhelm' factor. All those (usually small) thumbs! That's why I liked the old RedTube (only 20 vids per Homepage) and YouJizz (BIG thumbs). So a combo of that with an eye towards 'less is more/quality is better'.

Also, the erotic niche sells, and I know that as well as anyone, so I'm sticking with a niche I know well and have had great success promoting for almost 4 years now. So we will see. Maybe I should start a cuckold tube instead. LOL

Socks · 05-28-2015, 09:28 PM

So what's the URL to the tube?

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