Yanks_Todd

Care to share it? ;)

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Kafka

Think before you start. You must have massive amount of traffic.
Is it easy? No. Is it possible? Yes. Is it difficult? Yes Yes

THe biggest tubes are in the top100 most visited sites of the world.
It is like: I want to start a new searchengine to compete with Google.
Microsoft, not a small company, tries but fails.

The Porn Nerd

My thoughts exactly. LOL

CALLING Beeg 1...2...3...? Hello? We seek you! Get it? We SEEK you!

Oh I make myself laugh. :D

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happyending

Yes I want to see how it goes...

signupdamnit

The thing is typically you will get somewhere between $0.30 - $3 per 1k and that includes popunders, selling traffic, and paysites. Just doing paysites I would think it's going to be below 1/3 of that so maybe $0.10 - $1 per 1k. So between $10 - $100 a day for 100k. So between $70 - $700 per week.

But the real fun is going to be getting that 100k a day without it coming from your other sites or buying it. Especially if you are giving away less than everyone else.

If you think I'm full of it then you should try it. You'll either succeed or you'll have one hell of a learning experience! Good luck either way.

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The Porn Nerd

Oh I don't think you're "full of it" at all! LOL I agree with your numbers tho I think they may be on the low side. You see, I have bought traffic and have bought ads on tube sites. I also have an outstanding (and above Industry-wide average) CTR rate with my own videos on tube sites (2.5 - 3.0+) so I would tend to bump up your numbers a wee bit. But even if your figures hold true, an extra $100 a day would more than reach my stated Goal of an additional $500 in weekly revenue. $700 a week is many people's overall paycheck. That's 35k a year. Not bad for a limited tube site....

Getting the traffic WILL be the interesting part, yes. Learning curve here I come! LOL

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Yanks_Todd

The zero user submitted uploads would hurt you IMO. The reason xhamster does so well is the community they have built around their tube. I get why the "user submitted" uploads is in quotes, however it is that small percentage of REAL videos that only reside on your tube that would get the surfer to return.

Without those you will have the same content form partner accounts that everyone else has and much less of a back inventory then the large tubes. The end result would be that you can't compete.

I like the idea of a new tube though, this is just my opinion about that portion of your idea.

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The Porn Nerd

I agree with your thoughts but the problem with "real" user submitted videos is someone has to determine whether they are "real" or not. This destroys the 'safe harbor' provision in the DMCA law, as I understand things. So this is why anything and everything seems to get through on most tubes and stays up until they get a DMCA notice. I would like to avoid that game as much as possible.

Again, not looking to compete with big tubes (an impossibility in today's climate IMHO).

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Magnetron

Why not?

Let your affiliates hotlink to a limited amount of those videos. Then you won't have to be bothered with individual requests for content.

Have all the traffic currently coming in from *user* upload mega tubes redirected to your new tube to give it a jumpstart.

Post hardlinks to your best affiliates ( site of their choice ) at the bottom of the tube. The opportunity to get listed on your tube is the opportunity to make more sales for themselves from other sponsors using traffic from your network. Invigorate your affiliates into promoting PNN more with the incentive of being rewarded with traffic.

Affiliates these days are in need of traffic. While there is plenty of cheap traffic from brokers to purchase, it is mostly shit.

You help your affiliates thrive, they will help you thrive and perhaps in the end PNN can become independent of all other tubes.

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The Porn Nerd

EXCELLENT advice and Thank You very much for it.

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Lichen

there is no fucking way in hell you gonna make 30 sales off 100k visits

Lichen

Here, lemme fix it for you:

100k visits of GOOD traffic (decent mix of SE hits)
If you're lucky, 2% banner CTR = 2k to sponsor
If you're lucky, 1:600 = 3 joins

The Porn Nerd

But that's assuming all 100k hits go to Sponsers with good tours, etc. But generally I agree that the 30 joins a day is a tough Goal. Maybe if someone were to join the tube itself, on a trial basis, you could get 30 joins.

Then again, without cams, dating etc maybe the joins would go up. Who knows? Let's give it a try. LOL

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deloany4scott

2014 is for tube sites with mobile responsive design...

Magnetron

Sponsors rewarding their best affiliates with traffic was the next logical step in the evolution of the affiliate model. It is also a great incentive for signing up new affiliates.

I recall very few sponsors having attempted it. Can't think of any that do it now. Tubes came along and distracted everyone.

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adultmobile

Pasted your signature in his icq. he's away status.

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The Porn Nerd

Please do the same for my sig? I would love to speak with him via ICQ. Thank you!!

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Jel

I agree, that was to illustrate utopia really. The absolute best case dream scenario. 3 - 10 sales, depending on search terms, traffic source, etc. is far more realistic, and at the bottom end of those numbers too

cosis

Not much profit after hosting/time spent

adultmobile

Done, and gave him the link to this thread since I'm not his secretary

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Far-L

I would call that the next step in the devolution of the model.

Not counting any sort of recip arrangements with affiliates, there is a reason this idea has never taken off. Most programs realized the more work they had to do for the affiliate, the less the affiliate became necessary.

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I realize that so a giant THANK YOU for your efforts.

I (we) owe you one (or two).

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Magnetron

A few minutes per month identifying your best performing affiliates and installing a hard link to their sites as a reward.

Yeah, that sounds like sooooooooo much work.

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Far-L

You should re-read my post in its entirety because your attitude on top of the fact that you were oblivious to what I actually wrote just makes it worse.

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Porn Nerd - Roald is actually pretty spot on with his comment based on the information you provided in terms of your plans for execution, which btw was also purely based on some substantial speculations on your part. The most important issue, which I still don't see properly conjectured, is how you will generate the traffic. Considering how that will relate to what you can expect in terms of conversions, I would say thinking about the content and the template before determining the action plan for the traffic puts the cart before the horse.

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I agree, and I respect Roald's POV and his experience. But you are spot on, which is why I haven't executed on my plan for almost 2 years now. The design and building of the site is the "fun" part (meh) but the traffic is the hard part. Some organic SEO could be considered but mostly it would be through bought traffic, an initial push, to lure bookmarkers. Still working on that (obviously) but good job spotting the weakness in "the plan". LOL

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Far-L

Roald has a ton of experience and is generous with his wisdom, so I am always respectful of what juice he adds too.

Ok, with traffic in mind, I guess these are the questions I would be raising:

1. The best part of a tube can be the seo, but you seemed to be reluctant to deal with that aspect in a previous post. However, without a well executed seo strategy on the tube then you would be neglecting a key advantage to doing it in the first place imo. Are you considering that?

2. The traffic management of a tube is a very numbers driven and labor intensive endeavor, and you and I both know how time consuming just managing our partner accounts traffic can be. I would factor that in and double the projection based on the ramp up of learning curve to attain even a modest return. In other words, it is going to probably lose money for the first few months (if you are lucky it will not be longer), take your attention away from your core competencies, and strain production and customer services while you develop it. It is going to be a major investment to get going, Are you prepared to make that time, energy, cash commitment just to eventually find that $500 per week hopefully?

3. I seriously think some of the people posting "go for it" want you to just to see you fail and falter. Have you weighed that possibility?

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celibado

Good Afternoon,

How did you get the traffic? Buying it? if we start a tube site from zero, with no traffic, only organic traffic, how many UV we obtain in 6 month? I don't want to buy the traffic, is expensive and very difficult to monetize it in a tube site.

Best regards,

celibado

I often read gfy and I see a lot of people arguing about the porn is dead, or the tubes has destroyed the porn industry. ¿Why we do not start a tube site together only for fun? Let's say gfytube.com for example. If they are profits, then we create a little company and share the profits together like opensource software.

If someone would like to start we can use Lean Startup method. I have a dedicated server with a fixed IPs that I can share.

So, volunteers? To get the videos we can get it through sponsors, and I have a tool to import massively that videos. I started TubeX that can be downloaded free and installed in a vps (under development): lavecinadel5.com (slash) tube (slash) TubeX-master if someone can have a look at the experiment is welcome. I can't write urls because I'm a new in porn, I have not reached 30 posts minimum.

The objective here is start a tube site with 0 investment, except server. The big problem: THE TRAFFIC.

Methods to get traffic:

1.- Uploading videos to tube sites like xvideos watermarking the gfytube.com inside.
2.- Buying it
3.- Link Building
4.- Sell the traffic to buy more traffic.
5.- Trading it
6.- ¿More ideas?

Interested people on that project can send me an e-mail to mariodi at gmail dot com . If we can reach 5 people, then, we create a thread on the forum to share our experience.

I hope you will have a happy new year.

Best regards, and sorry for my bad english, I'm from Spain.

mamaliga

I would definetly NOT recommend starting a tube from scratch. Not yet.
I will start a tiered link building network at the begining with around 200 domains (may be high quality blogs as well,new design,logos and good looking). I have been testing for few months this strategy and seems most effective methods of link building at the moment. It offers a huge range of benefits which can help protect you from future Google Algorithm updates.
Second part of the process will be building the tube. Of course all tier 1 links from tiered link network point to tube site.

Huge

"only for fun?"

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Magnetron

Ummm, okay ............

The conclusion I draw each time I read your post is that sponsors began to ignore affiliates before ideas like traffic rewards were implemented, in favor of other means of making sales that didn't consume the resources that an affiliates base consumed.

To which I said

So, let's agree to agree that sponsors bailed on the affiliate model in favor of other means of making sales without affiliates, while the act of rewarding affiliates with traffic is not and never would have been a burden.

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Lichen

This noob is actually spot on.

How can you compete with the large tubes if they got most of the SE traffic cornered and can afford to spend tens of thousands of $$$ buying traffic from everywhere?

How do you plan to grow your new tube? Traffic has got to come from somewhere. You won't be getting any of the SE traffic. Are you prepared to spend $4 per 1k visitors?

mrpornoporn

you can do everything.....but NOT TUBES...if want to earn some money

Ovidius

To succeed in 2014 with a tube it/there must be "the one" .

The Porn Nerd

You got it.


I don't want to compete with big tubes.

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Far-L

Ok, sorry, I think we are just misunderstanding each other.

Most sponsors will give good affiliates a link to reciprocate some traffic and when there are seo advantages. I don't think beyond that though that sponsors really want to generate traffic for affiliates that they pay out 50+% to generate their own traffic. Why would a sponsor want to do that when they can send their own traffic to themselves?

Sponsors have not really bailed on affiliates - what they have done is learned to differentiate between what is profitable and what is not.

A lot of programs that ran essentially an all out "arms race" to embrace more and more affiliates back in the day created a non sustainable business proposition that was doomed to failure as soon as they couldn't add more affiliates and couldn't monetize with enough recurring to keep paying the burden that affiliates generated, especially in pps.

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Magnetron

I just think that nowadays with the bulk of SE traffic literally stumbling into the mega tubes, sponsors have the opportunity to light a fire under the asses of their affiliates who are struggling to get their own. They aren't converting 100% of their incoming from affs, tube channels, SEs, etc even if they have a network. They are sitting on a commodity that simply exits while affs are trying to convert shit purchased from brokers. It just makes sense even more so now than ever before to use some of it as an incentive for the entire aff base to step up its game. Not a carrot to dangle. It is a steak. It is a lobster. Damn, now I'm hungry.

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Nickatilynx

Wasn't this done with Einstein console (written by mike from gfy) and abc web with Robert Nixon?

A console that popped and not only sent traffic back but also credited you with sales made?

I may be wrong...

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celibado

Yes!! Porn is my hobye! I'm here only for fun! I dont hope earn money with porn Im learning a lot of seo, etc.

Far-L

I think the sort of traffic you are thinking, which is essentially the ultra filtered but still non-converting junk that won't wash into a sale is most likely going to sell through to a broker to generate some income or be used for a trade with a reciprocating affiliate... where and when I guess that sort of fits the bill of what you are suggesting.

Sort of a conundrum... the affiliate that gets too big starts his own sites and the program that gets too good at generating traffic starts losing affiliates.

But regardless, the issue of traffic is still going to be the biggest issue for a new tube.

I think the only way for Porn Nerd to even have a shot...

1. Microniche the content, but that requires having a solid understanding of the microniche and finding content for it can be tough, the plus side is he can more easily compete on purchasing traffic to jump start it.

2. Allow even the parts of tubes that he doesn't want to allow and even though that will add stress, work, and liability, user uploads are a necessary reality

3. Figure out how to enhance the user experience - and that has its own set of challenges depending on the software he goes with like mechbunny etc. but one of the biggest challenges is giving the site a personality/brand that people want to bookmark. Xhamster succeeds in this regard where others try hard but can't pull it off.

All of those actually represent steep challenging mountains to climb...

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Far-L

Spoken like a true historian of the evolution of affiliate marketing!

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What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done , there is nothing new under the sun. - Ecclesiastes 1.9

.....And Bible study

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Far-L

Thank G_d for that...

Amen!

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dig420

I have a tubesite getting 15k hits daily, all SEO and bookmarks. I haven't been able to make it turn a profit yet, it's just one tiny little headache after another. In large part because of the reasons that Farrell outlined. It's not my core competence, it's a massive time drain on the staff I have left and the traffic management that I SHOULD be doing (but I'm not) boggles my mind anytime I allow myself to think about it. Anyone who considers themselves an expert and has a track record to prove it is welcome to hit me up and see if we can work something out.

dig420

That was my idea too, but after seeing the tube they're not looking to buy memberships anywhere lol

BAKO

U should suck cock. Fucking fag

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Lichen

Advice from your whore mother?

Magnetron

15K daily in organic traffic like that and I see a minimum of $3K monthly in sales and rebills from 50/50 subscriptions to underpromoted yet not micro-niched sites, generated from a one page wonder that offers very little free content.

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