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Old 01-27-2014, 10:11 AM   #101
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Children are not adults. Children are not responsible for their behavior and decisions and the outcomes of their decisions.. Their brains aren't even developed to the point that they can fully understand the concepts you are taking about... So no, it's not even remotely close to being the same. That's why children are treated as children until the age of 18.
well except when it comes to the death penalty ;)
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:13 AM   #102
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well except when it comes to the death penalty ;)
The death penalty for minors (which doesn't exist) has nothing to do with adults and their life choices.
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Then going by the definition of the American dream, several people in this thread are proving you are incorrect.
It's not about me, it's about history.
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How do you get elected without all that private money funding your election? Sure there is exceptions, but you have to make lots of promises to private interests to get there...
That's my point.

The Republican and Democratic parties have set up elections so that it's almost impossible for any candidate not working within their machine to even get on the ballot...much less get elected.

From everything I've seen in my lifetime...I'm firmly of the belief that the entire political game is designed to milk money from business and corporations.
As I said, if you are trying to play in the big leagues you MUST pay money to bureaucrats and politicians. On the local or national level.

Otherwise you are shut out.
That is our govt. doing that.
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It's not about me, it's about history.
No. It's about reality.
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The death penalty for minors (which doesn't exist) has nothing to do with adults and their life choices.
Being tried as an adult for choices made as a minor and sentenced to death certainly exists.
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It's not about me, it's about history.
You mean the "good old days" of the 1950's and 1960's?

I think a LOT of people (women, minorities, etc) would totally disagree with your assessment of the "good old days".

The work force was mostly white males back then. And blacks and women who could find work were horribly underpaid.

But keep on reminiscing! It's a great story!
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Being tried as an adult for choices made as a minor and sentenced to death certainly exists.
uhmmm... no. not in the US. and it has nothing at all to do with anything in the discussion of adults and the decisions they make as adults.
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That's my point.

The Republican and Democratic parties have set up elections so that it's almost impossible for any candidate not working within their machine to even get on the ballot...much less get elected.

From everything I've seen in my lifetime...I'm firmly of the belief that the entire political game is designed to milk money from business and corporations.
As I said, if you are trying to play in the big leagues you MUST pay money to bureaucrats and politicians. On the local or national level.

Otherwise you are shut out.
That is our govt. doing that.
Oh I understand what you are saying. Just for me personally I see it was politicians and bureaucrats getting manipulated by the private interests, not the politicians and bureaucrats manipulating the private interests.

But when I say that I am not referring to the guy who makes $200k, this is referring to the extremely wealthy corporations/individuals.

I mean fucking sheldon adelson basically let newt gingrich continue his campaign well past the expiration date simply cause he has unlimited money to do it.
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The references to kristallnacht he made are ludicrous, asinine and delusional.

Had he referenced the French First Republic that would have been apropos.


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uhmmm... no. not in the US. and it has nothing at all to do with anything in the discussion of adults and the decisions they make as adults.
Ah ok, seems the supreme court decided it was cruel and unusual in 2005 to execute minors. Sorry my last paper on the death penalty predated 2005
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Ah ok, seems the supreme court decided it was cruel and unusual in 2005 to execute minors. Sorry my last paper on the death penalty predated 2005
Haha.. no worries.
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The death penalty for minors (which doesn't exist Anymore in America) has nothing to do with adults and their life choices.

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if you are making money online you are dealing with the same economy that we all are but your living expenses are much much lower. its much cheaper to retire in the third world than the first.
most of my career online was under crippling sanctions , NO payment processing other than digital currency and western union to another country and then 6 hours by car every week...I could not legally possess hard currency (US$ Euro ect) in my country or open a bank account abroad...try spending most of your online career under such circumstances...


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as for your pack of cards theory, i can agree but shouldn't success be evaluated more based on where you started rather than where you end up? for someone who started in the gutter and ended up middle class, that is a success story for them but not to richie rich who may of started with connections, start up money and paid education. to him success is on a much higher level but also easier to achieve. look at someone privileged like george bush jr. ran multiple businesses into the ground, still got to live the good life and then became president. if he had been born into a one room shack in the swamps of louisiana he'd probably still be there.
on the other hand I was never poor, come from a banking family, private schools and foreign education but I never took a $ from my parents and made money with a 300$ zx spectrum pirating software and then producing it...stated at 15 and never got anything but my time wasted by my education other than the English language I must admit my english is above standard and this helped some...

I have done everything from smuggling cigarettes on donkey back across the border during the war to a relatively successful career in online dating and fitness products...cant say it was my education that made me what I am...never went to pick up my diploma...

as for middle class I can buy a huge mansion and sports cars I'm just a bike guy...do not care much about stuff...but I'm not middle class...

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Is it your contention that he just woke up one day and randomly owned a roofing business?
Well its a competitive but pretty easy business to start. All you need is a couple years experience (if that) and some good guys who know what they are doing to hire, some capital to start (as all businesses need) and some equipment. Now being successful is a whole other thing. I've noticed two main kinds of roofing companies. Quality ones who rely on word of mouth advertising. They might not make the most money or have the most crews but they can get away with charging a bit more. Then there are the 'wholesalers' who hire all kinds of people, some are good, some are not. They rely on buying advertising wherever they can and are more affordable to hire but they also make more money at the end of the day since they have a number of crews working and new jobs every day and typically use lesser quality materials.
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Well its a competitive but pretty easy business to start. All you need is a couple years experience (if that) and some good guys who know what they are doing to hire, some capital to start (as all businesses need) and some equipment. Now being successful is a whole other thing. I've noticed two main kinds of roofing companies. Quality ones who rely on word of mouth advertising. They might not make the most money or have the most crews but they can get away with charging a bit more. Then there are the 'wholesalers' who hire all kinds of people, some are good, some are not. They rely on buying advertising wherever they can and are more affordable to hire but they also make more money at the end of the day since they have a number of crews working and new jobs every day and typically use lesser quality materials.
Sounds like a great, easy business, for some of those that are struggling to jump right into.

Hopefully some of the thread readers take a minute to stop bitching at each other and read your post. Within a few years, they could be living the easy life like 12clicks. Who knows, maybe they can even start a cross sale scam business?
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Lies of Plutocracy: Exploding Five Myths that Dehumanize the Poor

If you believe that poverty is the domain of the comfortably poor, black, unemployed, unmotivated and uneducated among us, you have been sadly misled.

In 2010 the Census Bureau reported that 1 in 6 Americans (15 percent) are poor, a rate that was held steady in 2011.

Even these statistics disguise the real poverty numbers. A sampling of the existing poverty thresholds - boundaries separating the officially "poor" from the "non-poor" - are as follows: $11,704 for one-person households where the adult is under 65; $10,788 for those where the adult is over 65; $15,504 for households with one adult and a child; $18,106 for two adults and one child; $22,811 for two adults and two children; $30,056 for two adults and 4 children.

1. The Bootstrap Myth

Negative assertions about the poor are in part a product of the American bootstrap myth: Anyone who works hard enough in America will have a great life. And if you don't have a great life, then you lack the will, integrity or intelligence to succeed.

These kinds of concepts are what the late Australian philosopher Val Plumwood called "conceptual weapons." They work together to structure a system of thought that distorts, oversimplifies and ultimately fosters ignorance about, and shame amongst, oppressed groups of people.

2. The Poor Are Unemployed

The bootstrap myth works together with the stereotype that all poor people are unemployed. This thinking gives rise to the conclusion that the best way to address poverty is to get everyone a job. But these fallacious assertions gloss over the glaring fact that many poor people are working.

The Census reported that, in 2010, 7 percent of those aged 16 and older who worked some or all of the year were in poverty. And the Department of Agriculture reported that 30 percent of households receiving food assistance had earnings in 2010; 41 percent of food aid beneficiaries lived in a household with earnings from a job. Nearly a quarter - 21.8 percent - of non-elderly adult food stamp recipients were employed.

Of course none of this is surprising to those who know from experience what it means to work for $8 an hour. Working for 40 hours a week at that rate yields a $17,000 annual salary. Increasingly these poverty-level-wage jobs (retail, fast-food, etc.) are the most abundantly available to Americans. But with so many people out of work, even those jobs are hard to come by. And just as being poor is a source of shame for many Americans, so is being out of work, or working a low-end, thus devalued, job.

Who on earth doesn't know that many working people are poor precisely because of poverty-level wages from a job? In the January 23, 2012 Republican primary debate in Tampa, Florida, Mitt Romney touted his work creating "middle-income" jobs through his companies, like Sports Authority and Staples.

We helped start Staples, for instance. It employs 90,000 people. These are middle-income people. There are entry-level jobs, too. I'm proud of the fact that we helped people around the country - Bright Horizons children centers, the Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics, a new steel company. These employ people, middle-income people.

In a September interview, Mitt Romney responded to ABC News host George Stephanopoulos's question, "Is $100,000 middle income," with the reply: "No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 or less."

Putting these assertions together, one must ask: How many workers at Sports Authority and Staples are actually earning more than $100,000, let alone $200,000 to $250,000?

The reality, as so many retail workers know all too well, is that the majority of employees at these companies earn poverty-level wages, and only a relative few climb into the ranks of management and even begin to approach this mythical "middle-income" status.

Some will say Romney's ignorance about the poor is unique. Think again: On January 5, 2012, then-Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich blended racist and classist stereotyping, when he told an audience that he believes "the African-American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps."

A few days earlier, on January 1, rival candidate, Rick Santorum had said that he did not "want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money; I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money. And provide for themselves and their families." Both of these men's statements contain the logical implication that those receiving food assistance are not working.

3. Poor (i.e. lazy, uneducated etc.) Equals Black

You'll notice that Gingrich and Santorum exclusively concentrate on the black community's reception of food assistance. This not-so-subtle message is that black people are getting by on white America's dime. But the fact of the matter is that about 1 in 7 Americans are receiving food assistance, and most of them are white: 35.7 percent of head of households receiving food aid are white, 22 percent are African-American, and 10 percent are Hispanic.

This shows how racist and classist ideologies work together. Black and other people of color continue to be used as a symbol of impoverishment and all of its wretchedness: lazy, selfish, crude, ignorant, animalistic and so forth. Ben Adler writes that:

Veteran South Carolina politicos readily agree, off the record of course, that Gingrich is intentionally tapping into this long vein of racial animosity. In the years since the Civil Rights Act, white South Carolinians may have largely ceased pining for the days of segregated water fountains. And anyway no politician can call for returning to them. But they often resent African-Americans and social welfare programs that they view through a racial lens.

When politicians start declaring that they don't want to give black people welfare checks, but rather want to put them to work, poor whites have a decision to make: Challenge the lie that poor people are all lazy and not working, or direct their anger and frustration with their own conditions, all of the shame it brings them, at black people. Too often the latter is chosen.

This is "horizontal hostility," when oppressed groups turn on other disadvantaged groups rather than address the root causes of inequality. But these interlocking systems of inequality don't just hurt people of color. They also undermine the interests of poor conservative whites. When dominant culture promotes stereotypes that degrade the poor, it creates a rush to the exits of self-identifying as poor. This "internalized oppression" prevents the unification of the poor to realize common claims to dignity despite economic impoverishment.

By identifying poverty with people of color, the powerful manipulate those poor whites who are either outright racists or who unconsciously fear identification with the stereotyped character of non-whites.

Though aimed at people of color, the thinking that suggests the poor lack respectable work ethic and virtuous moral character becomes a conceptual lever that functions to induce shame that makes the poor easier to manipulate. This is why dominant culture works so hard to identify scapegoats (black people, undocumented workers, feminists, LGBTQ folks) to channel anger and self-hatred.
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Every business is "easy" in the mind of someone who has never started a business and made it successful.

Every boss is an incompetent asshole who knows nothing and does nothing and is just "lucky" in the mind of someone who will never be more than an employee.
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I'm sorry you had to work hard for 15 years doing two jobs. Clearly you should've been smarter at your approach to things.
My work ethic is why I made millions long after my competitors packed it in.
Your work ethic has you whining about your betters.

The difference between the successful and you has never been more clear.
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I apologize for not knowing your life story. I only know (some) of what you have done online. I doubt being a roofer for 15 had anything to do with your success online.
thats why you're not successful.
Being a roofer had EVERYTHING to do with my success online.
When I discovered that I could tap on a keyboard to make money instead of busting my ass, I worked my ass off online and built a multimillion dollar business.

When YOU discovered that you could tap on a keyboard to make money, you spent years being happy just making beer money.
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Every business is "easy" in the mind of someone who has never started a business and made it successful.

Every boss is an incompetent asshole who knows nothing and does nothing and is just "lucky" in the mind of someone who will never be more than an employee.
exactly.....
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4. The Poor Refuse to Work

A cornerstone in plutocratic mythology is that the poor just won't take responsibility for their lives and get to work! This belief is logically implied in Romney's now infamous remarks about the Obama-47 percent. In addition to inaccurately representing the political-orientation and make-up of those who pay no income taxes,Romney chastised poor welfare beneficiaries (many of whom turn out to be Republicans!) for refusing to take responsibility, but instead demanding government solve all of their problems and provide for their every need.

"I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," said Romney.

Such thinking speaks to a woeful ignorance about the fact many recipients of government assistance such as food aid are children, elderly, and/or disabled. According to the Department of Agriculture, "In fiscal year 2010, 76 percent of all SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled nonelderly person. These households received 84 percent of all SNAP benefits."

In fact, 46.6 percent of food stamp recipients are children, and another 7.9 percent are elderly. Add those together and you realize that the "just get a job" solution is inappropriate for upwards of half of all food benefit recipients. Of course, this figure does not even include those who are not children or elderly but who have a disability that either prevents them from working or limits their work options.

Equally interesting, those who are able to work, but are unemployed and receiving food aid account for less than 20 percent of all recipients. Only the most egregious classist thinking would confidently assume such persons are simply lazy, happily poor freeloaders.

The stereotype, that the poor and work-able lack the desire or self-respect to seek work is a product of genuine ignorance and class privilege. Those who know something about being poor, having a bad stroke of luck and generally lacking privilege know that this is a gross stereotype; something said by those who know the least about such circumstances.

5. Education Necessarily Remedies Poverty

Another plutocratic myth suggests that a lack of education is the root of poverty, and that education is the answer to poor people's plight. This is also an assertion many liberals like President Obama regularly make. Joining them are conservatives like Newt Gingrich who, in the lead-up to the South Carolina primaries, defended his earlier remarks about the poor and food stamps, stating: "I'm going to continue to find ways to help poor people learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job and learn some day to own the job."

These ways of thinking legitimize the plight of the poor, effectively blaming victims of exploitation: blaming low-income workers' conditions on their failure to possess a real job, which means a job that requires a degree.

When politicians of both dominant parties incessantly repeat the mantra that world-class education is needed to acquire good jobs, what does this say to farmworkers, retail workers, housekeepers, childcare laborers, and other so-called relatively "low-skilled" workers? The inescapable logical implication of these assertions is that they do not deserve to earn enough to sustain themselves and their families. This line of thinking is rendered absurd when we consider how essential such workers are in our economy and social structures.

The Coalition of Immokalee Workers (CIW) reports that Florida Tomato pickers have to pick more than two tons of tomatoes in grueling conditions to earn the equivalent of Florida minimum wage for a 10-hour workday. Workers make an average of 45 cents per 32-pound bucket of tomatoes, a rate that hasn't meaningfully changed since 1978.

CIW cites a 2008 USDA report indicating that farmworkers are "among the most economically disadvantaged working groups in the US" and "poverty among farmworkers is more than double that of all wage and salary employees."

Despite including sample wages from managers and supervisors, who make up just 21 percent of all farm workers, The National Agricultural Workers Survey (NAWS) shows that the average individual income is less than $13,000 and the average household income is less than $18,000.

But rather than addressing the unethical business practices of extracting wealth from workers' labor with less than subsistence-level wages, the "get an education" mantra tells the poor that they should only expect to be treated with dignity once they have earned a college-degree.

Both ignoring the working poor, and assuming the solution to the working poor's poverty is education, functions to disappear the routine, systematic exploitation of the poor for the benefit of CEOs and investors.

The rising number of impoverished graduate degree holders further demonstrates that the "education is necessarily the solution to poverty" mantra is a fallacious oversimplification that distorts reality.

As ABC News reported in May 2012, the number of people possessing a PhD who received some kind of public assistance increased more than three-fold between 2007 and 2010, and nearly the same for those with master's degrees.

Ironically many of these impoverished academics are engaged in full-time work at part-time pay in the institutions of higher education that are said to remedy the problem of poverty!

The exponential rise of poor graduate-level educated people is driven by the fact that non-tenured, part-time instructors - adjuncts - comprise nearly 70 percent of college and university faculties. In June 2012, the Coalition on the Academic Workforce (CAW) released a report, finding that the median adjuncts were paid for a standard college course was $2,700 in fall 2010, $2,235 at two-year colleges and $3,400 at four-year doctoral or research universities.

Conclusion

In "The Apology," Plato relayed Socrates' defense in court against charges that he was an atheist and corrupting the youth of Athens. Socrates argued that he was on trial because of his mission to expose the arrogance and the ignorance of the prominent, supposedly "wise" men of Athens.

The chief error of these men was that they thought themselves wise or enlightened when in fact their beliefs were superficial and often contradictory. This experience prompted Socrates to determine that: "Although I do not suppose either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing and thinks that he knows."

Putting it differently, the feminist poet Adrienne Rich wrote that "power seems to engender a kind of willed ignorance, a moral stupidity, about the inwardness of others, hence of oneself."

The immortal wisdom here is that despite the prominent suggestion that the powerful are better positioned to understand the goings on of our world, it is often those who lack such power, privilege and the ignorance-arrogance it breeds, that are better positioned to know and articulate the truth.


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thats why you're not successful.
Being a roofer had EVERYTHING to do with my success online.
When I discovered that I could tap on a keyboard to make money instead of busting my ass, I worked my ass off online and built a multimillion dollar business.

When YOU discovered that you could tap on a keyboard to make money, you spent years being happy just making beer money.
I may have not been successful (my definition of success is netting at least $500k a year) but making money online (for myself) has been my only source of income since i was 20 year old in 1998. I've been able to do all things the average person has, buy new cars, buy a house, etc but i am not rich.
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Sounds like a great, easy business, for some of those that are struggling to jump right into.

Hopefully some of the thread readers take a minute to stop bitching at each other and read your post. Within a few years, they could be living the easy life like 12clicks. Who knows, maybe they can even start a cross sale scam business?
no business is a good business for anyone struggling to get into. this is why so many people bitch, it takes time and money to start a business and much more time to become successful. people feel trapped in their current jobs and can't risk losing it.
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people feel trapped in their current jobs and can't risk losing it.
That's what holds a lot of people down all their lives: Fear.

It's people who are willing to take the risks that move ahead. And that takes a lot of nerve and balls to do. But it's what separates the winners and losers in life for sure.
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That's what holds a lot of people down all their lives: Fear.

It's people who are willing to take the risks that move ahead. And that takes a lot of nerve and balls to do. But it's what separates the winners and losers in life for sure.
are they really losers though? the average dad doesn't want to risk his family being put out in the street because his business didn't work out. that's not a loser, that's called taking care of your family.
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are they really losers though? the average dad doesn't want to risk his family being put out in the street because his business didn't work out. that's not a loser, that's called taking care of your family.
that's fine, nothing wrong with playing it safe...

but why should those that did take the risk to move ahead in life owe anything to do those that didn't?
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that's fine, nothing wrong with playing it safe...

but why should those that did take the risk to move ahead in life owe anything to do those that didn't?
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My work ethic is why I made millions long after my competitors packed it in.
Your work ethic has you whining about your betters.

The difference between the successful and you has never been more clear.
Haha I never said anything about myself.

You are the one making a fool of yourself stroking your ego over and over posting a message board. Seems like you have a lot of anger built up from all those years of hard work when you could've had it easy like real rich guys.
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I may have not been successful (my definition of success is netting at least $500k a year) but making money online (for myself) has been my only source of income since i was 20 year old in 1998. I've been able to do all things the average person has, buy new cars, buy a house, etc but i am not rich.
so you've managed to be average but want to explain to the successful how they just got lucky.
ok.
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Haha I never said anything about myself.

You are the one making a fool of yourself stroking your ego over and over posting a message board. Seems like you have a lot of anger built up from all those years of hard work when you could've had it easy like real rich guys.
thanks for explaining how the bottom sees it. I'd never get that take on things outside of GFY.

It explains a lot about the bottom.
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that's fine, nothing wrong with playing it safe...

but why should those that did take the risk to move ahead in life owe anything to do those that didn't?
its the "luck" argument. once trash like obama convince the lemmings that the only difference between them and the successful is "luck" its easier to demonize them and take what they've earned because they didn't really earn it, they got lucky.
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so you've managed to be average but want to explain to the successful how they just got lucky.
ok.
where did i ever say they just got lucky? my only point was its not as simple as people just being 'lazy'. there are so many other factors are play.
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thanks for explaining how the bottom sees it. I'd never get that take on things outside of GFY.

It explains a lot about the bottom.
anytime buddy. I'm quite far away from the top .001% just like you.
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where did i ever say they just got lucky? my only point was its not as simple as people just being 'lazy'. there are so many other factors are play.
none of which are the successful's fault or problem.
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anytime buddy. I'm quite far away from the top .001% just like you.
you're quite far away from the 1% too.
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that's fine, nothing wrong with playing it safe...

but why should those that did take the risk to move ahead in life owe anything to do those that didn't?
i am not saying anyone is owed anything to anyone else. i pointed out why people bitch. i am not justifying it. like i said in my first post in this thread, there is no denying where you come from plays a huge part on how easy/hard it will be to succeed. its much easier for a single white male to succeed than a white male with a family. its much easier for a white male in general to succeed than a black male. its much easier for someone who comes from a well to do family to suceed than someone who comes from generations of welfare, etc, etc, etc.

everyone wants to paint both sides into this little corner where no variables exist. only black and white, right and wrong but that's childish and simplistic.
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none of which are the successful's fault or problem.
i never said it was. in fact one of my previous replies in this thread says 'is it rich people's fault, no but to think that poor people are just lazy is ignorant and incorrect'.
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you're quite far away from the 1% too.
You do know 1% by income is only $344k a year?

1% by wealth is a little trickier, $15-19 million, you can thank the billionaires for that.

It is a shame you worked away all your youth roofing with your hard work when us "poors" were busy playing on the computer, traveling and having fun.
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yes. thats why I said you're nowhere near it.

anything else?
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the funny thing about the '1%'.. a lot of people who claim to be in the 1% aren't anywhere near it!

but yet, continue pretending anyway lol
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the funny thing about the '1%'.. a lot of people who claim to be in the 1% aren't anywhere near it!

but yet, continue pretending anyway lol
its not that hard to tell who's who.
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Of course, 1/2 of the entire nation is just are just crazy greedy lunatics ("them"/"evil"). The other 1/2 ("us"/"good") are righteous, good, caring, loving, kind, compassionate and the last bright beacon of light in a dying world and humanity's final hope.

Al Queda thinks in the exact same way and also see's the world in such incredibly overly simplistic, dichotomous terms. Creating an enemy and then dehumanizing them is the final jumping off point for insane people right before they do something unimaginably horrible, to the detriment of all. This is the exact turning point in thinking which enables entire nations to attack others and what allows people to carry out mass murder and genocides... while believing they are on the side of "good".
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You do realize you can change the name Koch to Soros on the hat and use the exact same graphic.
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You do realize you can change the name Koch to Soros on the hat and use the exact same graphic.
Tell it to Homeland Security.
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Of course, 1/2 of the entire nation is just are just crazy greedy lunatics ("them"/"evil"). The other 1/2 ("us"/"good") are righteous, good, caring, loving, kind, compassionate and the last bright beacon of light in a dying world and humanity's final hope.

Al Queda thinks in the exact same way and also see's the world in such incredibly overly simplistic, dichotomous terms. Creating an enemy and then dehumanizing them is the final jumping off point for insane people right before they do something unimaginably horrible, to the detriment of all. This is the exact turning point in thinking which enables entire nations to attack others and what allows people to carry out mass murder and genocides... while believing they are on the side of "good".
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Tell it to Homeland Security.
You don't think they read this board? They already have you pegged, Dr. Revolution!
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REVOLUTION!

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its not that hard to tell who's who.
yep, generally the ones who have to tell you are about as far as far can be

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