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Jim_Gunn · 02-26-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

While I think what happened here is a tragedy, one thing you need to understand is that most of the time the dispatch calls to the police are pretty vague. The call can simply say domestic dispute. My cop buddy has responded to that generic call many times and found everything from a guy holding his wife at gunpoint to a woman who was pissed at her teenage daughter for not cleaning her room and she wanted the police to make her clean her room.

So they show up at the scene most of the time with no idea who is involved and exactly what is going on. They are also lied to every day. Most domestics involve a woman and a man so it is fair for them to assume that it is he and the woman involved in this and that he might not be telling them the truth.

This doesn't mean that they have the right to kill him, but the police are in a situation where they often don't know what they are getting into when they roll up onto the scene so they have to expect the worst. If this guy resisted them they don't know if he is going to pull out a knife or a gun or if he just pissed off that they don't believe him.

I agree that the police have a tough job and that they are dealing with the worst aspects of humanity in the form of ignorant losers and criminals, people with an incentive to lie to get out of trouble, drunks, people high on drugs and the like.

But I can't ignore the daily videos I see and reports I read online of woeful misconduct that are practiced every day by law enforcement officers around the country. The whole police culture now in every agency is polluted with an "us against them" mentality that leads them to hyper aggressive over reaction to nearly every situation. They violate people's rights with impunity even for minor infractions, shoot and kill animals, shoot and kill people- sometimes people even sleeping in their owns beds- at the drop of a hat and there is no accountability or punishment for the criminal behavior except in the most egregious of cases.

The United Sates has become a Gulag nation with literally millions of people behind bars, many for things that shouldn't even be crimes, all for the sake of making money for the for-profit prison industrial complex. An American citizen in 2014 is far more likely to be killed by a police officer than he or she is by a terrorist.

I would be in favor of what some police agencies already do of mandating police officers wear those lightweight cameras to record their entire shift. Not only does it protect them from bullshit accusations by citizens, but more importantly it protects citizens from the police violating their rights or hurting people. Accountability is a good thing that would serve both sides.

dyna mo · 02-26-2014, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I agree that the police have a tough job and that they are dealing with the worst aspects of humanity in the form of ignorant losers and criminals, people with an incentive to lie to get out of trouble, drunks, people high on drugs and the like.

But I can't ignore the daily videos I see and reports I read online of woeful misconduct that are practiced every day by law enforcement officers around the country. The whole police culture now in every agency is polluted with an "us against them" mentality that leads them to hyper aggressive over reaction to nearly every situation. They violate people's rights with impunity even for minor infractions, shoot and kill animals, shoot and kill people- sometimes people even sleeping in their owns beds- at the drop of a hat and there is no accountability or punishment for the criminal behavior except in the most egregious of cases.

The United Sates has become a Gulag nation with literally millions of people behind bars, many for things that shouldn't even be crimes, all for the sake of making money for the for-profit prison industrial complex. An American citizen in 2014 is far more likely to be killed by a police officer than he or she is by a terrorist.

I would be in favor of what some police agencies already do of mandating police officers wear those lightweight cameras to record their entire shift. Not only does it protect them from bullshit accusations by citizens, but more importantly it protects citizens from the police violating their rights or hurting people. Accountability is a good thing that would serve both sides.

Corrupt police aren't new and not unique to America.

Jim_Gunn · 02-26-2014, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Corrupt police aren't new and not unique to America.

You're right, but I was limiting my discussion to the U.S. because the incident that started the thread occurred here. The technology of ubiquitous cell phones with video capability and easy publishing on Youtube, Live Leak and the internet in general are relatively new and powerful technologies that highlight all the problems, whereas years ago, it would just be the police's word against yours.

kane · 02-26-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I agree that the police have a tough job and that they are dealing with the worst aspects of humanity in the form of ignorant losers and criminals, people with an incentive to lie to get out of trouble, drunks, people high on drugs and the like.

But I can't ignore the daily videos I see and reports I read online of woeful misconduct that are practiced every day by law enforcement officers around the country. The whole police culture now in every agency is polluted with an "us against them" mentality that leads them to hyper aggressive over reaction to nearly every situation. They violate people's rights with impunity even for minor infractions, shoot and kill animals, shoot and kill people- sometimes people even sleeping in their owns beds- at the drop of a hat and there is no accountability or punishment for the criminal behavior except in the most egregious of cases.

The United Sates has become a Gulag nation with literally millions of people behind bars, many for things that shouldn't even be crimes, all for the sake of making money for the for-profit prison industrial complex. An American citizen in 2014 is far more likely to be killed by a police officer than he or she is by a terrorist.

I would be in favor of what some police agencies already do of mandating police officers wear those lightweight cameras to record their entire shift. Not only does it protect them from bullshit accusations by citizens, but more importantly it protects citizens from the police violating their rights or hurting people. Accountability is a good thing that would serve both sides.

I agree 100% that police officers should all be wearing those lightweight cameras that record their entire shift. I also agree completely that the justice system is broken. It is no longer about justice and hopefully rehabilitating criminals so that they might once again become productive members of society, it is about putting bodies in bunks so corporate owned prisons can cash in.

While there are a lot of videos online, I look at it like this: there are 330 million people in this country and over 1 million police officers. There are bound to be some shitty situations. If there are 10 videos posted online one day showing police acting inappropriately it seems like a lot. We don't see the other 600,000 incidents where the police were professional and did their job accordingly.

I also think they need to revise the review board process when there are complaints against police and incidents where people were hurt or killed. They also need to modify the union rules to make getting rid of those undesirable cops easier. There are far more people who want a career in law enforcement then there are available jobs. They can afford to be picky when it comes to who they hire. Sadly, it is a job where you never truly know how someone will do until they are in it and doing it. There needs to be a better process for weeding out those who clearly are not fit for the job, but end up in it forever because it is very hard to fire them.

dyna mo · 02-26-2014, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

You're right, but I was limiting my discussion to the U.S. because the incident that started the thread occurred here. The technology of ubiquitous cell phones with video capability and easy publishing on Youtube, Live Leak and the internet in general are relatively new and powerful technologies that highlight all the problems, whereas years ago, it would just be the police's word against yours.

Even limited to the US, corruption in police has been here since the very beginning, that's why hollywood loves it so, plenty of material to make movies with. I wouldn't bet that it's worse now than it's ever been.

mineistaken · 02-26-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

While I agree that you can't hold humans to a higher standard the humans are capable of, you can be diligent in finding a person with the right temperament and mentality to do a specific job. You would never hire a guy who says he hates the outdoors and physical activity to be construction worker. The same goes for cops. I am friends with and happen to know a lot of cops and 95% of them are good people who do their job well and actually do have other people's well being and safety in mind even when they are dealing with mopes that they have arrested a dozen times. However, there are some that the power corrupts and there are others that overreact. In many cases the overreaction comes from fear and a lack of training.

What makes it all worse is that once you become a cop, it is hard to get fired. One of my friends has outright told his superiors that there are two officers in his department that he will not work with because they can't be trusted. If things go bad they react badly to them. Several people in the department have said the same about these two. The department's reaction? Put those two together. So instead of getting them more training, putting them in a different job or just firing them, they teamed up two scared, incompetent cops. That is recipe for disaster.

Police is not an elite force and best people do not compete to join so it is impossible to have 100% good/quality cops and not 95% that you mention. That is life.
And as you say 95% are good so it is not justified to blame all cops as some people do. This is humanity, not robots.

JockoHomo · 02-26-2014, 04:13 PM

Scum of the earth psychos with savior complexes usually with subpar IQs and small cocks (nothing like a badge and a gun to make up for that).

Useless fucks

Rochard · 02-26-2014, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I agree that the police have a tough job and that they are dealing with the worst aspects of humanity in the form of ignorant losers and criminals, people with an incentive to lie to get out of trouble, drunks, people high on drugs and the like.

I have three friends who are police officers and they all tell me the same thing - They deal with the bottom 5% of society. They tell me every day they are kicked, punched, or spit on. Fuck that.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

But I can't ignore the daily videos I see and reports I read online of woeful misconduct that are practiced every day by law enforcement officers around the country. The whole police culture now in every agency is polluted with an "us against them" mentality that leads them to hyper aggressive over reaction to nearly every situation. They violate people's rights with impunity even for minor infractions, shoot and kill animals, shoot and kill people- sometimes people even sleeping in their owns beds- at the drop of a hat and there is no accountability or punishment for the criminal behavior except in the most egregious of cases.

Sure. But give some thought to the numbers. The US has some 734k police officers. Let's just say that 1% of them are scum sucking bottom of the barrel people who shouldn't be police officers... That's a lot of bad apples.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

The United Sates has become a Gulag nation with literally millions of people behind bars, many for things that shouldn't even be crimes, all for the sake of making money for the for-profit prison industrial complex. An American citizen in 2014 is far more likely to be killed by a police officer than he or she is by a terrorist.

Well yeah, the odds of them coming into contact with a real life terrorist is about 1 in ten billion while I see a police officer at least once a day or every other day.

But we should let the damn potheads out of jail. Save us some tax dollars.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I would be in favor of what some police agencies already do of mandating police officers wear those lightweight cameras to record their entire shift. Not only does it protect them from bullshit accusations by citizens, but more importantly it protects citizens from the police violating their rights or hurting people. Accountability is a good thing that would serve both sides.

I think I agree with this, but the downside is you'll see footage that the general public believes is horrible or criminal when it's really not. Remember that officer who pepper sprayed the college kids? That's a great example. Did he do something wrong, or was he doing his job?

_Richard_ · 02-26-2014, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

The technology of ubiquitous cell phones with video capability and easy publishing on Youtube, Live Leak and the internet in general are relatively new and powerful technologies that highlight all the problems, whereas years ago, it would just be the police's word against yours.

which explains the 80% prison minority rate

just a punk · 02-27-2014, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Not true.

Exactly! He was killed because was is a terrorist. If anybody think different - try to prove that he wasn't.

I'd call drones, but police officers did their job just perfect. Congrats

TampaToker · 02-27-2014, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Correct.

It does't matter if he was involved in the disturbance or not. Police rolled into a domestic, found him on the scene, and police started to question him. He was "uncooperative" - Either he was evasive, refused to answer questions at the scene of a crime, or tried to leave...

No matter how this played out, the bottom line is the police responded to a crime and questioned suspects. He was a suspect if only because he was there. There is no law saying you have to answer questions, but police can surely detain you until they believe you are not a suspect.

This person died because he refused to cooperate, plain and simple.

Sometimes you say some of the stupidest fucking things............

TampaToker · 02-27-2014, 01:15 AM

And to the Op your a blooming fucking idiot too. To go around and label a group based on actions of a few bad apples shows how ignorant you are.....

Best-In-BC · 02-27-2014, 05:56 AM

ROFL, anyone disagreeing is clearly a home rat or been on downers there hole life and never enjoyed it, cause cops, are fucking extortion experts focused on one goal and that's to imprison you and/or to fine your ass so they can get paid.

I Have Major respect for police on federal levels but the daily cop is a fucking joke, thats why there the daily cop you see.

georgeyw · 02-27-2014, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

Sometimes you say some of the stupidest fucking things............

I will help you learn a little English. Sometimes is not the same as always.

evy97 · 02-27-2014, 10:55 AM

Cop shoots 70 year old man reaching for cane
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-traffic-stop/

Cop killed a 17 year old after mistaking his Wii controller for a gun
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...awyer-alleges/

dyna mo · 02-27-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Cop shoots 70 year old man reaching for cane
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-traffic-stop/

Cop killed a 17 year old after mistaking his Wii controller for a gun
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...awyer-alleges/

this bolsters my earlier point-

peeps don't upload videos of

cops don't shoot 70 year old man

cops don't shoot 17 year old

there would be millions of those.

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JockoHomo "LIKE I GIVE A SHIT" Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Dark side of the moon Posts: 1,523	Scum of the earth psychos with savior complexes usually with subpar IQs and small cocks (nothing like a badge and a gun to make up for that). Useless fucks

02-27-2014, 10:55 AM	#65
evy97 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Slovakia Posts: 482	Cop shoots 70 year old man reaching for cane http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-traffic-stop/ Cop killed a 17 year old after mistaking his Wii controller for a gun http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...awyer-alleges/