IS DMCA effective against content piracy? - GoFuckYourself.com

thecatwrites · 12-12-2014, 02:16 AM

Not sure if this was previously discussed on another thread but I just want to hear your thoughts on this topic. I'm still familiarizing with the details of protecting one's work against piracy and I would appreciate you sharing your experiences, thoughts, and such.

Also is there another way other than takedown request via DMCA? Thank you so much!

Freax · 02-01-2015, 07:57 PM

Its only effective if the copyright owner knows about the infringement (1st important point) and if he takes action (thats the 2nd)

Yes, you can do some more effective.

celandina · 02-06-2015, 07:09 AM

I am dealing with this almost daily.

To your question: " is there another way?" My experience is no, unless you have a relative from the Corleone family and give them an offer they cannot refuse, or see my comment in 3) below regarding Federal judgement.

To your question : Is it effective? My answer is yes, but with following caveats.

1) you need to have a proper takedown notice with ALL DCMA required info.

2) the site can be anywhere ( even in Russia) as long as the hosting company/ server is in USA or EU. They usually do not respond to the first take down notice, but once the hosting company is cc'd its gone the next day and on the next pass ( new pirated content) its usually quick. We have actually converted a couple of pirates into Affiliates.

3) unfortunately the biggest pirates in the world are ( and in this order): Amazon, E Bay and Youtube.... They ask for a Federal judgement or similar crap. Now tell me who out of adult producers can hire a law firm in Delaware to issue an injunction only to be appealed? Can you "spell" several 100's of thousand dollars per case?

A) with Amazon we threaten the suppliers to the Amazon retailers usually with 50/50 success/ failure rate.

B) E Bay ditto as Amazon

C) Youtube? No luck with their DMCA department, they will find an error with your form 1000x over, but just report the video to their "morality policing" department that the video exploits / insults women, African Americans, Jews etc....and its gone the next day...

WDF · 03-24-2015, 10:03 PM

Talk to JimmyStephans, a member here he has a success story. I believe he may have posted some about it here but it is both encouraging and insightful.

celandina · 03-25-2015, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

I am dealing with this almost daily.

To your question: " is there another way?" My experience is no, unless you have a relative from the Corleone family and give them an offer they cannot refuse, or see my comment in 3) below regarding Federal judgement.

To your question : Is it effective? My answer is yes, but with following caveats.

1) you need to have a proper takedown notice with ALL DCMA required info.

2) the site can be anywhere ( even in Russia) as long as the hosting company/ server is in USA or EU. They usually do not respond to the first take down notice, but once the hosting company is cc'd its gone the next day and on the next pass ( new pirated content) its usually quick. We have actually converted a couple of pirates into Affiliates.

3) unfortunately the biggest pirates in the world are ( and in this order): Amazon, E Bay and Youtube.... They ask for a Federal judgement or similar crap. Now tell me who out of adult producers can hire a law firm in Delaware to issue an injunction only to be appealed? Can you "spell" several 100's of thousand dollars per case?

A) with Amazon we threaten the suppliers to the Amazon retailers usually with 50/50 success/ failure rate.

B) E Bay ditto as Amazon

C) Youtube? No luck with their DMCA department, they will find an error with your form 1000x over, but just report the video to their "morality policing" department that the video exploits / insults women, African Americans, Jews etc....and its gone the next day...

.... And guess what ? They all process with PayPal the "emperor of thieves"

WDF · 03-25-2015, 09:46 AM

There is not much you can do about PayPal/Ebay Washington DC likes them, there are retribution alternatives though.

I think you know as well a I do the legal system's protection for you will not be inexpensive or swift if even just.

celandina · 03-28-2015, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WDF

There is not much you can do about PayPal/Ebay Washington DC likes them, there are retribution alternatives though.

I think you know as well a I do the legal system's protection for you will not be inexpensive or swift if even just.

Completely agree, when I tried to file about three years ago against an Amazon merchant ( Amazon was only listed as co conspirator) a copyright law firm in NY asked for $ 30,000 retainer and did not promise anything more then filling and attending the first hearing. The estimate with all of the potential appeals was over $ 500,000 ....Of course I have dropped it.

... I think a class action suit by ALL webmasters each chipping in a couple of grand is the ONLY way to fight these new Al Capones.

celandina · 05-12-2015, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celandina

Completely agree, when I tried to file about three years ago against an Amazon merchant ( Amazon was only listed as co conspirator) a copyright law firm in NY asked for $ 30,000 retainer and did not promise anything more then filling and attending the first hearing. The estimate with all of the potential appeals was over $ 500,000 ....Of course I have dropped it.

... I think a class action suit by ALL webmasters each chipping in a couple of grand is the ONLY way to fight these new Al Capones.

I guess not in my lifetime

cottonking · 10-13-2015, 11:40 AM

You can not fight Big Boys or hackers / content theft. You need to attack it at the heart with bad ass tactics. Think like a criminal and live like a king. Porn content theft is big business. Think Mindgeek. Ok enough. I have several threads on how I do this and a few secret sauce strategies that actually pay off.

12-12-2014, 02:16 AM	#1
thecatwrites Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 418	IS DMCA effective against content piracy? Not sure if this was previously discussed on another thread but I just want to hear your thoughts on this topic. I'm still familiarizing with the details of protecting one's work against piracy and I would appreciate you sharing your experiences, thoughts, and such. Also is there another way other than takedown request via DMCA? Thank you so much!

02-01-2015, 07:57 PM	#2
Freax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 191	Its only effective if the copyright owner knows about the infringement (1st important point) and if he takes action (thats the 2nd) Yes, you can do some more effective. __________________ We sell and buy Content, Domains, WebHosting VPS Servers Worldwide, WP Adult Design + Optimation, Bitcoin Payment Processing. SOCIALMEDIA MARKETING - FB FanPages, FB Groups & Advertising. EMAIL: freax(at)tutanota(dot)com

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WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	There is not much you can do about PayPal/Ebay Washington DC likes them, there are retribution alternatives though. I think you know as well a I do the legal system's protection for you will not be inexpensive or swift if even just. __________________ Please HELP

10-13-2015, 11:40 AM	#9
cottonking Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 57	You can not fight Big Boys or hackers / content theft. You need to attack it at the heart with bad ass tactics. Think like a criminal and live like a king. Porn content theft is big business. Think Mindgeek. Ok enough. I have several threads on how I do this and a few secret sauce strategies that actually pay off. __________________ 1. Make the Cam Models Money. 2. Create traffic storms. 3. And do it all over again. Contact: cottonking.defcon skype Contact Web: http://boompowerbang.com/ Out on my own. Left the Big Cam Sites for my own Cam Site....No personal promotion here.....If you make people a lot of money, you can position yourself to make a few bucks too.

02-06-2015, 07:09 AM	#3
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 11,442	I am dealing with this almost daily. To your question: " is there another way?" My experience is no, unless you have a relative from the Corleone family and give them an offer they cannot refuse, or see my comment in 3) below regarding Federal judgement. To your question : Is it effective? My answer is yes, but with following caveats. 1) you need to have a proper takedown notice with ALL DCMA required info. 2) the site can be anywhere ( even in Russia) as long as the hosting company/ server is in USA or EU. They usually do not respond to the first take down notice, but once the hosting company is cc'd its gone the next day and on the next pass ( new pirated content) its usually quick. We have actually converted a couple of pirates into Affiliates. 3) unfortunately the biggest pirates in the world are ( and in this order): Amazon, E Bay and Youtube.... They ask for a Federal judgement or similar crap. Now tell me who out of adult producers can hire a law firm in Delaware to issue an injunction only to be appealed? Can you "spell" several 100's of thousand dollars per case? A) with Amazon we threaten the suppliers to the Amazon retailers usually with 50/50 success/ failure rate. B) E Bay ditto as Amazon C) Youtube? No luck with their DMCA department, they will find an error with your form 1000x over, but just report the video to their "morality policing" department that the video exploits / insults women, African Americans, Jews etc....and its gone the next day...