9/11 True or False?

[BFT3K]

Do you believe the official government account regarding 9/11 was TRUE or FALSE?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q#t=213

[DBS.US]

That video sums in up just right

[Rochard]

Every year this comes up. Same old story.

It's very simple. Two large airplanes full of fuel sliced through two tall towers. The combination of the impacts, the fact that they sliced the support holding up the upper floors, and the resulting fire caused the supports to fail, causing the floors above to pancake down.

And every item the so called "truthers" come up with can be quickly dismissed.

[PR_Glen]

a better question is do you really believe that the government, or any governing body would disclose weaknesses, acts of incompetence or ever admit they don't know all the answers themselves along with all the full details?

[j3rkules]

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

a better question is do you really believe that the government, or any governing body would disclose weaknesses, acts of incompetence or ever admit they don't know all the answers themselves along with all the full details?

This is it, it would have to be covered up, it would take a revolution to bring out the truth

[BFT3K]

All stories are believable, if you want them to be...



Take religion, for example...

[bronco67]

It's not a matter of believing the government or not. It's about having common sense.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Every year this comes up. Same old story.

It's very simple. Two large airplanes full of fuel sliced through two tall towers. The combination of the impacts, the fact that they sliced the support holding up the upper floors, and the resulting fire caused the supports to fail, causing the floors above to pancake down.

And every item the so called "truthers" come up with can be quickly dismissed.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

All stories are believable, if you want them to be...

Take religion, for example...

Like Andy Dick, this statement swings both ways.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

I've watched all of the videos; This morning on Netflix I watched "9/11 Science And Conspiracy". It's the same shit over and over again. Every last one of these items can be quickly dismissed.

"There was bangs in the basement before the tower fell". YOU THINK? Fireballs traveled down elevator shafts and exploded in the lobby. Didn't entire elevators crash down into the basement? Wouldn't it be strange if there wasn't "loud bangs" in the basement that day?

[Joshua G]

if the next president lets ISIS run wild like obama is, there will be another 911 attack on USA guaranteed. already happened when clinton was taking BJs under the desk while osama declared war on us.

all of this is hilarys fault.

[fitzmulti]

This shit again?
Why didn't you just bump one of the other old ass threads?
Pathetic.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

if the next president lets ISIS run wild like obama is, there will be another 911 attack on USA guaranteed. already happened when clinton was taking BJs under the desk while osama declared war on us.

all of this is hilarys fault.

If only she would have sucked some D!

[Miguel T]

Oh no... not again :|

[DBS.US]

[wehateporn]

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Every year this comes up. Same old story.

It's very simple. Two large airplanes full of fuel sliced through two tall towers. The combination of the impacts, the fact that they sliced the support holding up the upper floors, and the resulting fire caused the supports to fail, causing the floors above to pancake down.

And every item the so called "truthers" come up with can be quickly dismissed.

Same "old story" because you can't change reality unless you simply make the choice to not see it!

Of course it's all "OLD NEWS"...because it's been out there for a decade and yet people like you want to keep their heads in the sand about it.

It's much too terrifying for most people to think that their own government would do something so evil and manipulative to them...much like a child who can not even entertain the idea that their parent is not actually there to protect them unconditionally.

Simple cognitive dissonance on a national scale.

[billywatson]

My only issue is what I call the "Payne Stewart argument": in '99, pro golfer Payne Stewart's private jet ran into problems, and (I'll leave technical details out), within 10 minutes, F-16's were scrambled to see what was going down and to accompany the jet until it ran out of fuel and crashed.

How do commercial airliners, two years later, pull 180's and head back to major urban areas after being in the air for 45+ minutes and not one single jet is dispatched?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Same "old story" because you can't change reality unless you simply make the choice to not see it!

Of course it's all "OLD NEWS"...because it's been out there for a decade and yet people like you want to keep their heads in the sand about it.

It's much too terrifying for most people to think that their own government would do something so evil and manipulative to them...much like a child who can not even entertain the idea that their parent is not actually there to protect them unconditionally.

Simple cognitive dissonance on a national scale.

You've summed that up rather well indeed

[Sly]

Originally Posted by billywatson

My only issue is what I call the "Payne Stewart argument": in '99, pro golfer Payne Stewart's private jet ran into problems, and (I'll leave technical details out), within 10 minutes, F-16's were scrambled to see what was going down and to accompany the jet until it ran out of fuel and crashed.

How do commercial airliners, two years later, pull 180's and head back to major urban areas after being in the air for 45+ minutes and not one single jet is dispatched?

I remember when this happened but don't know the full details of that flight, but this is talking about an hour and 20 minutes. It's also saying that there was failure to respond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payne_Stewart#Death

The pilot did not respond to air traffic controllers, an hour and 20 minutes later they were being escorted.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by billywatson

My only issue is what I call the "Payne Stewart argument": in '99, pro golfer Payne Stewart's private jet ran into problems, and (I'll leave technical details out), within 10 minutes, F-16's were scrambled to see what was going down and to accompany the jet until it ran out of fuel and crashed.

How do commercial airliners, two years later, pull 180's and head back to major urban areas after being in the air for 45+ minutes and not one single jet is dispatched?

To add to this, both United Flight 175 and American Air Flight 11 intersected directly over Stewart Air National Guard Base at nearly the exact same time. This is AFTER the transponders were turned off and a "hijack" was declared by the NTSB. They both flew over an Air National Guard base where they have planes and probably equipment to shoot down planes. Why didn't they do something then?

The evidence is quite damning and if you watch some of the documentaries, it's pretty damn obvious this wasn't done by some whack job terrorists. Who did it? We will probably never know, but it wasn't who they said it was, that's for damn sure. And I'm about the furthest you can get from a "Conspiracy Theorist". I'm just a critical thinker and don't accept what they try to spoon feed me.

Social cognitive dissonance is right, to a degree I've never, or most people here have ever witnessed. I've seen people damn near get into fist fights defending the government story. Even though anyone with half a brain can see right through it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Same "old story" because you can't change reality unless you simply make the choice to not see it!

Of course it's all "OLD NEWS"...because it's been out there for a decade and yet people like you want to keep their heads in the sand about it.

It's much too terrifying for most people to think that their own government would do something so evil and manipulative to them...much like a child who can not even entertain the idea that their parent is not actually there to protect them unconditionally.

Simple cognitive dissonance on a national scale.

I've read everything and researched everything. I must have a dozen books about this. I have a physical copy of the 9/11 Commission report and so many others. There is NOTHING that cannot be explained by simple common sense.

"But why did WTC7 fall? It wasn't even hit". REALLY? Two large towers fell right in front of WTC. Just for a moment let's set aside the fact that this was like two strong earthquakes back to back.... They couldn't in or or out of WTC7 because there was so much debris that it completely blocked the exists on the sides closest to the two towers that fell. Hundreds of millions of tons of debris just fell at the foot of WTC7, pushing it completely off it's foundation. When the towers fell, they pretty much destroyed the entire side of WTC7. From the pictures it looks perfectly normal, but the pictures and video are from the far side because no one was on top of the debris taking pictures of the damage.

[BFT3K]

This one was just published (uploaded) today...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA

[wehateporn]

I've been noticing quite a few non-"Conspiracy Theorist" critical thinkers like yourself coming onboard the 9/11 Truth movement in the last couple of years

Originally Posted by Rob

To add to this, both United Flight 175 and American Air Flight 11 intersected directly over Stewart Air National Guard Base at nearly the exact same time. This is AFTER the transponders were turned off and a "hijack" was declared by the NTSB. They both flew over an Air National Guard base where they have planes and probably equipment to shoot down planes. Why didn't they do something then?

The evidence is quite damning and if you watch some of the documentaries, it's pretty damn obvious this wasn't done by some whack job terrorists. Who did it? We will probably never know, but it wasn't who they said it was, that's for damn sure. And I'm about the furthest you can get from a "Conspiracy Theorist". I'm just a critical thinker and don't accept what they try to spoon feed me.

Social cognitive dissonance is right, to a degree I've never, or most people here have ever witnessed. I've seen people damn near get into fist fights defending the government story. Even though anyone with half a brain can see right through it.

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I've read everything and researched everything. I must have a dozen books about this. I have a physical copy of the 9/11 Commission report and so many others. There is NOTHING that cannot be explained by simple common sense.

"But why did WTC7 fall? It wasn't even hit". REALLY? Two large towers fell right in front of WTC. Just for a moment let's set aside the fact that this was like two strong earthquakes back to back.... They couldn't in or or out of WTC7 because there was so much debris that it completely blocked the exists on the sides closest to the two towers that fell. Hundreds of millions of tons of debris just fell at the foot of WTC7, pushing it completely off it's foundation. When the towers fell, they pretty much destroyed the entire side of WTC7. From the pictures it looks perfectly normal, but the pictures and video are from the far side because no one was on top of the debris taking pictures of the damage.

wow you're a dumb fuck.

[wehateporn]

Billboard in New York now

[DBS.US]

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I've read everything and researched everything. I must have a dozen books about this. I have a physical copy of the 9/11 Commission report and so many others. There is NOTHING that cannot be explained by simple common sense.

"But why did WTC7 fall? It wasn't even hit". REALLY? Two large towers fell right in front of WTC. Just for a moment let's set aside the fact that this was like two strong earthquakes back to back.... They couldn't in or or out of WTC7 because there was so much debris that it completely blocked the exists on the sides closest to the two towers that fell. Hundreds of millions of tons of debris just fell at the foot of WTC7, pushing it completely off it's foundation. When the towers fell, they pretty much destroyed the entire side of WTC7. From the pictures it looks perfectly normal, but the pictures and video are from the far side because no one was on top of the debris taking pictures of the damage.

Agent Smith: Why isn't this serum working?
Agent Brown: Perhaps we're asking the wrong questions.
Agent Smith: Leave me with him. Now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squib

[huey]

Any one that thinks building 7 did not have help coming down are true sheep.

[Relic]

A never ending row.

[klinton]

many theories...could be also that ben laden was "allowed" to do that by US government to later exploit that fact with war on terror and more control and wars (and money for some people, and for others - fear mongering)

simply- they knew whats gonna happen and they allowed it to happen

[StinkyPink]

Lets just say that before 9/11 there is no way Americans would have let the Bush administration get away with signing the patriot act. So they had to do what they had to do.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by StinkyPink

Lets just say that before 9/11 there is no way Americans would have let the Bush administration get away with signing the patriot act. So they had to do what they had to do.

[abreu]

I advise to watch documentary movie "Zero: An Investigation Into 9/11" by Giulietto Chiesa. I think you'll find a lot of answers there

[Serge Litehead]

and then year and a half later we went in to Iraq on a premise of weapons of mass destruction.

the hits of invading Iraq were planted yearly on right after 9/11

[2MuchMark]

I think that George W Bush and Dick Cheeney are war criminals that deserve to spend the rest of their days in prison for the incredible amount of lies they spewed out of their fucking mouths back then (and still do today), but I still don't think any of the buildings fell because of controlled demolition.

[EngineCash]

Same story again... It is logical and many people can believe that the USA did this by themselves, because they needed a reason to go in open war with the muslim world for the oil of course... To sad, for all the victims....

[kane]

Allow me to ask this question. If you are a US citizen and you really, truly believe that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks why do you still live in this country? If I found out beyond any doubt that the US government killed over 3,500 of its citizens so they could start a war and pass some laws I would leave. I don't delude myself into thinking I would leave tomorrow, but I would begin the process of moving to a country that doesn't wage war against its own citizens.

[XMaster]

[michael.kickass]

False...

[mineistaken]

false and "have doubts" do not go hand in hand.

There should be an option "not sure" + "many doubts" and "false" + "I totally do not believe it"

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by kane

Allow me to ask this question. If you are a US citizen and you really, truly believe that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks why do you still live in this country? If I found out beyond any doubt that the US government killed over 3,500 of its citizens so they could start a war and pass some laws I would leave. I don't delude myself into thinking I would leave tomorrow, but I would begin the process of moving to a country that doesn't wage war against its own citizens.

The thing is that almost nobody (maybe except wehateporn, but does he live in US?) have that "beyond any doubt" opinion, most have just suspicions or "I have doubts" opinion.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

The thing is that almost nobody (maybe except wehateporn, but does he live in US?) have that "beyond any doubt" opinion, most have just suspicions or "I have doubts" opinion.

Exactly.

If I were to put it to a ratio - personally I'd say I waver 80% towards the government had something to do with 9/11 - and only 20% belief that it was some camel shagging cave dwellers who pulled it off.

And, like Rochard - who tends to have a completely opposite opinion to mine - I've read one helluva lot about 9/11 over the years - critical analysis on both sides of the debate. I'm not a tinfoil hat wearing person who sees conspiracy in everything. For peace of mind, I'd much prefer thinking it was solely perpetrated by foreign terrorists acting independent of any American-based influence. I really wanted that to be the conclusive answer.

But I can't - my logical mind won't allow that. Far too many unignorable indicators point towards people within the U.S. government having advance knowledge of the attacks.

[L-Pink]

Didn't this thread have a poll? Or was that another at the same time?

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Didn't this thread have a poll? Or was that another at the same time?

I thought it did...might've been another, tho.

[BFT3K]

Semi-related...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4sjq9pzFa8

[billywatson]

Originally Posted by Sly

I remember when this happened but don't know the full details of that flight, but this is talking about an hour and 20 minutes. It's also saying that there was failure to respond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payne_Stewart#Death

The pilot did not respond to air traffic controllers, an hour and 20 minutes later they were being escorted.

I think it was an hour and 20 when the plane finally ran out of fuel and crashed in South Dakota? I don't think it took an hour and 20...when I first heard about that, it was 10 minutes after the pilot didn't respond to whoever was reaching out...after the plane went off course.

[scarlettcontent]

its was obviously very fishy

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by kane

Allow me to ask this question. If you are a US citizen and you really, truly believe that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks why do you still live in this country? If I found out beyond any doubt that the US government killed over 3,500 of its citizens so they could start a war and pass some laws I would leave. I don't delude myself into thinking I would leave tomorrow, but I would begin the process of moving to a country that doesn't wage war against its own citizens.

I've given this a lot of thought. I've put in a lot of research. I've read the books. I have a copy of the 9/11 Commission Report, I have read the 9/11 conspiracy books, watched all of the videos, and read of lot of the "debunking" 9/11 myth books.... And where is what I came up with.... There ZERO proof that it didn't happen exactly the way our government explained it us. Anyone who argues otherwise can be dismissed with simple common sense.

I'll use WTC 7 as an example. They'll say "nothing hit it" and "it fell for no reason". Really? Okay, moment of the impact.... A fire ball exploded through the buildings. We ALL saw this, some of us saw it live. Burning debris fell on the other buildings. WTC 7 was on fire. Then, not one, but two very large, very tall buidings.... fell.... At the doorstep of WTC7. Those buildings falling were massive, and registered as earthquakes. (So we have a building on fire that just went through two earthquakes.) Then the debris from the buildings.... Where did that debris go? It fell all around WTC7. The debris was so much and so high that people couldn't exit WTC 7 through any exists near the towers. (So now we have a building on fire that went through two earthquakes that was hit by hundreds of millions of tons of debris.) Then there is the possibility that when the towers fell, it physically moved WTC 7 off it's foundation. (So now we have a building on fire that just went through two earthquakes that was hit by debris that might have physically moved the building off it's foundation that has been on fire for hours.)

Here is a diagram of the damage to the building before it fell.



Keep in mind the photos you see and the video you see is from the far side of the building that wasn't damaged. Meaning, no one was sitting on top of the debris of the two towers taking pictures of WTC 7.

The question isn't "how did WTC 7 fall" but instead "How did WTC 7 remain standing as long as it did.